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1/3/2016

The Solution to the Armed Standoff in Oregon

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:36 am



Apparently some of them Bundy boys have executed an armed takeover of a federal building in a remote area of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon. They are protesting the return to prison of two ranchers, a father and a son, for setting fires back in 2001. The ranchers say they were doing controlled burns to protect their property. The feds say the ranchers are terrorists.

I have the solution.

If the ranchers are terrorists, send them to Gitmo.

Obama will free them in a week.

32 Responses to “The Solution to the Armed Standoff in Oregon”

  1. Don’t thank me. I’m here to help.

    Patterico (39da75)

  2. I love how they are being referred to as terrorists. They are occupying a building, which is just and proper when some people do it, they are peaceful, unlike others, they are a bazillion miles from other people and civilization as opposed to rioti gin the streets, etc ….

    JD (f4089b)

  3. we need moar terrorists like these ones

    happyfeet (831175)

  4. When I was at Cornell they had an anniversary of some black activist students executing an armed takeover of the student union. No arrests were made, their demands were met, and when I was there, the leader was being welcomed to campus as a returning hero and featured speaker.

    Patterico (39da75)

  5. Nope they are bitter clingers of the wrong
    sort, they may be hanged aka that python sketch

    narciso (8f8d1f)

  6. The story of the prison term is outrageous. It is small wonder why so many people are angry.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  7. Twitter is full of helpful suggestions, e.g., these guys should declare themselves refugees from Utah and demand the right to stay.

    JVW (d60453)

  8. The only thing I’ve read on this was cnn. They quoted the Feds as saying the Hammond brothers were never prosecuted as terrorists. Do you have a link of the Feds calling anyone associated with this a terrorist?

    Do

    Time123 (ca5d29)

  9. Just out of curiosity what were the demands of the black group at Cornell?

    Time123 (ca5d29)

  10. The tree house has a good summary of the whole brouhaha with sources.

    narciso (732bc0)

  11. It is quite a remarkable travesty of justice.

    narciso (732bc0)

  12. Do you have a link of the Feds calling anyone associated with this a terrorist?

    the fascist trash at failmerica’s corrupt and violent department of justice explicitly want these patriots sentenced as terrorists Mr. 123

    this is from the National Soros Radio timeline of events

    June 2012

    A jury in Pendleton, Oregon, finds the Hammonds guilty of arson on the federal land they leased for cattle grazing. The conviction requires the Hammonds be sentenced under a 1996 anti-terrorism law mandating five years imprisonment.

    happyfeet (831175)

  13. I think Holder was either part of that episode at Cornell, or one just like it.

    I can’t say I see reason for an armed standoff being justified very often, but that event in Michigan where the farmers stood guard in front of the vet’s office sure seemed as close to being justified as anything,
    And it did lead to the authorities dropping their plan (somebody probably knew it was bogus and pressing it was the wrong thing to do).
    But I don’t know about this.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  14. @ #9
    40 acres and a mule

    Angelo (a45410)

  15. Angela Davis smuggled a sawed-off shotgun and other weapons into a courtroom and in the ensuing actions the judge died (along with the prisoners being tried). She fled the state. She is now a retired UC professor.

    Bill Ayers put a bomb in the Senate cloakroom, hoping to kill some Senators. He was a fugitive but his dad’s lawyers got him off on a technicality. Now a retired professor and friend of the President.

    A nation of men, not of laws.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  16. I’m expecting the Feds to use helicopter gunships or AC-130s. Because gun control.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  17. So, an antiterrorism law is possibly implicated, and people whine that these dead enders are being called terrorists. Ahem.

    They aren’t terrorists. They’re silly drama queens play acting a story that seems popular only with right wing nutjobs and like three Marxists in Seattle. Keep waiting on that prole uprising, dudes. Any day now, I’m sure. They are lucky they aren’t BLM or Occupy. They probably won’t even be maced.

    What should happen is to let these rugged individualists live off the land as long as they like. Don’t let any new wannabes in; they missed the martyr boat. These types tend to talk a lot but most of them can’t camp overnight without a gray water line and generator. Once they get bored playing Heroes of the Revanchist Neverwas, give ’em a lawyer and a cell and wait for the fun new handwritten appeals about admiralty law.

    I am, however, very interested to hear what Ted Cruz thinks thinks we should do about armed rebellion against the federal government.

    Jamie (8746ab)

  18. you are a very scornful person

    happyfeet (831175)

  19. Jamie never fails to bring the douchebaggery.

    JD (1eaa38)

  20. Better call in the FBI Hostage Rescue Team, these bitter clingers might be out to start a 3rd World War, or might even be waterboarding a Spotted Owl. Tell Lon Horiuchi to get ready – it’s a target-rich environment, isolated, with no good guys around to get in the way.

    The tanks are in place, the loud speakers are blasting These Boots Were Made for Walkin’

    Delta Force is already deployed and everyone is ordered to lay low and wait for the CS gas rounds to do their dirty work. Then when you hear the Flash/Bangs it’ll be the signal for the assault. Take no prisoners – Dead Men Tell No Tales – and they don’t whine on TV or talk radio, and they damn sure don’t point fingers or file no damn law suits either.

    ropelight (4cdf30)

  21. People in a vacant building In the middle of nowhere really scare Jamie.

    JD (1eaa38)

  22. What’s Jamie cryin’ about now?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  23. talk talk talk it our right First Amendment, what about the Second Amendment
    http://www.infowars.com

    Geronemo (bd79b3)

  24. This isn’t going to end well.

    Here is a link giving the background detail of what led to where we are now. The family has certainly endured a tremendous amount of harassment. Jamie, you might find this interesting…

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

    Dana (86e864)

  25. A Democrat in the White House and DOJ? I would say these Bundy boys’ lives are in danger. I bet these white “terrorist” males are Christian, too.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  26. yes, that was the link, thanks Dana,

    that was a full kangaroo court with extra pouches

    narciso (732bc0)

  27. The court case was a farce and the judge should be —-.
    If they hold out until Cruz/West takeover, they should be set free.

    mg (31009b)

  28. Finally, a problem our Defense Department can deal with using just air power. No need for boots on the ground.

    Recognizing this possibility, and the resulting need to act quickly, the FBI swat team is probably double-timing their deployment. Some real live targets for Lon Houriuchi, while they last.

    The administration can’t believe their good fortune. A genuine crisis that should result in some good video, like the Waco BBQ, to distract us from Iran and Saudi Arabia going wobbly, including a likely crisis in the Persian Gulf, neither of which fit their narrative.

    Expect the attack to occur in clear weather, as the sun is rising, with the press suitably ensconced on a ridge a mile or so away with the sun at their backs. Something along the lines of a Cape Canaveral missile launch. Only in reverse.

    They’ve already got their trolls hammering on keyboards, witness above. It’s so comforting having a compassionate Federal leviathan to watch over us.

    Of course, the feds could just ignore the whole thing. But the temptation to fry some critters must be growing by the hour in the WH crisis bunker. This would really cement the incumbent’s place in history. (As though the last seven years weren’t enough.) And what an opportunity to press home the need for “gun control.”

    Why do these thing happen during Democrat administrations? Machinegun toting “homeland security” thugs kidnapping an eleven year old in Florida, etc. It’s a puzzle. And why is the GOPe so reluctant to use these fiascos to point out the dark side of the force?

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  29. This is a big deal, little people are standing up against the naked power of federal Government tyranny and if the designated victims don’t submit quickly they’ll feel the full wrath of an array of enraged despotic federal agencies in full possession of the legal and militaristic tools to make these dangerous terrorists wish they knew their place and yielded accordingly.

    Federal agencies (BLM and FWS) want the Hammond family’s ranch land and they’re determined to get it even if they have to railroad 2 blameless American men into prison and destroy their families to get it. You see, it’s a holy mission, the feds are ordained by a mandate from future generations to Save the Planet by depriving ordinary citizens of their land and liberty so wildlife the FWS can’t manage to keep alive won’t make them look bad by flourishing on private property.

    ropelight (4cdf30)

  30. It is remarkable that the BLM’s abusive behavior dates back to the 1970s. The bit about the ranchers’ lands being more suitable for wildlife (the 1975 BLM report that was discovered by Sussie Hammond) is priceless. But useless in court apparently. The 2 hour commute for the jurors was also a nice touch by the judge and Frank Papagani, the Federal prosecutor. After 8 days of the commute, the juror were certainly ready to lynch somebody. But they chose the wrong party.

    And the appeal to get these terrorists back in jail was a very nice touch. The older Hammond will be 79 when he gets out, if he survives. And the Hammond ranch will be seized by the BLM anyway, because they weren’t able to pay the full $400,000 penalty.

    It makes me so proud to be an American.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  31. Geronemo (bd79b3) — 1/3/2016 @ 2:08 pm

    Infowars?! Seriously?! Why don’t you just link to Stormfront and be done with it?

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  32. Conservative Nuthouse is not a reliable news source. It presents the Hammonds’ story. The prosecution had a very different story, and none of us have any basis for determining which version is closer to the truth.

    Milhouse (8489b1)


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