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12/24/2015

Clueless Democrats: Of Course We’ll Take In Refugees From Fictional Town Of Agrabah!

Filed under: General — Dana @ 10:40 am

[guest post by Dana]

Earlier this week we learned that 30% of polled GOP voters supported the bombing of the mythical town of “Agrabah”.

Today we find out that even a greater percentage of Democrats support taking in refugees from the same fictional town:

On December 20, 2015, WPA Research fielded a national survey of 1,132 registered voters that found 44% of Democrats would support taking refugees from that same Agrabah. PPP may have proven that some Republicans will support bombing a fictional country, but fully 44% of Democrats will allow refugees from anywhere into the country, whether they are potential ISIS supporters from Syria or potential cartoon characters on a magic carpet ride.

Further, young Democrats may not be as sharp as their party would like you to believe:

Additionally, Democrats ages 18-34, a key constituency of President Obama, are especially eager to take in imaginary refugees.

Nearly two-thirds of these voters support accepting refugees from Agrabah.

This is particularly suprising given this generation grew up watching Disney films such as Aladdin.

Democrats ages 18-34
Support 66%
Indifferent 12%
Oppose 22%

This after officials have acknowledged there is no way to effectively vet refugees coming in from Syria, and after it was discovered that a radical Islamic jihadist used a fake passport to sneak into Europe before wreaking havoc in last month’s terrorist attack in France.

Moreover, given that we now know that San Bernardino terrorist, Tashfeen Malik was not thoroughly vetted before being allowed into the country, there is no question that there is a lack of efficiency and reliability in the current vetting process.

While it’s certainly admirable to want to help those in need, any goodness goes right down the drain when a self-serving compulsion to preen in moral superiority outweighs the safety and well-being of Americans. We are not fooled. Your self-righteous underpants are showing.

–Dana

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: From my earlier post:

For example, you could ask whether we should welcome Daleks as refugees, and I guarantee you that a plurality of Democrats would support welcoming within our borders this Nazi-like group of mutants from Doctor Who, bent on exterminating inferior races. If I were rich, I would commission a poll to ask this very question.

Nice to see that someone commissioned, essentially, that poll.

66 Responses to “Clueless Democrats: Of Course We’ll Take In Refugees From Fictional Town Of Agrabah!”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. But it’s who we are!!!!!??!!!!!!

    Steve57 (db7f61)

  3. Merry Christmas.

    Steve57 (db7f61)

  4. Heh.

    DRJ (15874d)

  5. But fictional refugees are the best kind!

    Arizona CJ (dabb2a)

  6. Lololololololololololol

    JD (34f761)

  7. To me, the lesson is that polls help us understand what people are thinking about, but they aren’t good ways to know the details. Republicans are worried about terrorism and our safety. Democrats care about the World more than America, and foreigners more than Americans. That’s good to know, isn’t it?

    DRJ (15874d)

  8. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: From my earlier post:

    For example, you could ask whether we should welcome Daleks as refugees, and I guarantee you that a plurality of Democrats would support welcoming within our borders this Nazi-like group of mutants from Doctor Who, bent on exterminating inferior races. If I were rich, I would commission a poll to ask this very question.

    Nice to see that someone commissioned, essentially, that poll.

    Patterico (2e1e5e)

  9. JD #6

    I think that’s pronounced “ululululululu” in the Citizen-of-the-World Newspeak.

    Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah (46502a)

  10. Thanks for proving my point that the poll was crap. Stupidity is in equal measure among many LIVs. Just watch the interviews of Ivy League students about such topics as “White Christmas” and Dihydrogen Monoxide.

    You should have known this from Hillary’s promise to close all schools that are “below average.” I know that Yale Law School does not include math in the curriculum but this is pretty stupid even for her. You’d think some speech writer would know better but nope.

    Of course, she did flunk the DC bar twice.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

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  13. Perry – you are so pathetic.

    JD (a4bfea)

  14. Nate,

    Isis, because the governor had nothing to do with Flint’s Democratic controlled City government switching to river water instead of paying Detroit’s water rates.

    Xmas (bc5699)

  15. Who is a bigger threat to the American way of life, Governor Snyder or “nate”? EPA strictures have no scientific backing for how extreme they are, and no cost-benefit analysis whatsoever. Abolish the Federal EPA and let the 50 state EPAs, which are much more answerable to the citizens, to set the various state standards. Don’t like how your state is doing it? Move to a state that’s doing it the way you like.

    John Hitchcock (283f0d)

  16. Just think, Perry has a paid site set up for him to blog for free. He can put up any articles he wants, write them how he wants, but he has abandoned the free site that adj Dana is paying for. Because nobody reads his drivel.

    John Hitchcock (283f0d)

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    The most revolting aspect of Freedonia is the despicable ethnic cleansing going on there, and when asked about it, 20 new members of Congress jerked their knees and responded strongly…”

    Pouncer (d90bef)

  18. Look up “Bridging the Gap” on your search engines, if you dare. You will lose IQ points just by reading it, but it could be fun. Who knows?

    John Hitchcock (283f0d)

  19. thepoisoning of the children’s drinking water with LEAD!

    WTF is this about ? It sounds like Flint got some of the lead from Michael Moore’s ass, but I could be wrong. Did no one test the river ? Short term lead exposure is no big deal. It seems to affect a maximum of 5% of the children.

    Hysteria in left wing minds follows.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  20. What about the oppressed refugees from Dagobah? Is there no place for them? Or will they remain haunted by practitioners of an ancient religion?

    Lorem Ipsum (cee048)

  21. I think it’s worth noting that that Perry didn’t give a shout out when the news broke that Rahm
    Emmanuel hid a police shooting video so he could get reelected.

    Don’t read anything into this. I am not picking sides.

    I am just observing Perry’s mania.

    Steve57 (626d71)

  22. Mike K,

    I always, always thought the poll was “crap” insofar as it purported to show Republicans being dumber or more ignorant than Democrats.

    Patterico (9169b2)

  23. While it’s certainly admirable to want to help those in need, any goodness goes right down the drain when a self-serving compulsion to preen in moral superiority outweighs the safety and well-being of Americans. We are not fooled. Your self-righteous underpants are showing.

    Yes, and it has a name, it’s called virtue signalling.

    ropelight (c4a66f)

  24. Nate ate the paint chips
    an experiment of sorts
    ape regards his tail

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. Mike K (90dfdc) — 12/24/2015 @ 11:53 am

    You should have known this from Hillary’s promise to close all schools that are “below average.” I know that Yale Law School does not include math in the curriculum but this is pretty stupid even for her. You’d think some speech writer would know better but nope.

    This line was probably tested out, and worked very well in a focus group.

    Sammy Finkelman (67f658)

  26. then again, they might want to take in refugees from othar, the fictional emirate in the goldie hawn flop, Protocol (1984)

    narciso (732bc0)

  27. By “below average” probably most people mean something like this:

    Divide schools into 4 categories:

    1)Above average,

    2) Average,

    3) Slightly less than the average, and

    4) Below average .

    If you polled peole and asked them how many schools were “below average,” they’d probably say 15% to 25%. Certainly not 49.9%. It’s not a mathematical concept, it’s a qualitative concept.

    “Below average” means measurably and definitely and consistently lower than what an ordinary school should achieve.

    Of course, Hillary knows she can’t close any schools, and the teacher’s union would hate for almost any school to be closed by local or state government.

    The whole thing is entirely boob bait for mothers, so why should she worry about the mathematical conundrum?

    Sammy Finkelman (67f658)

  28. it always struck why they went for a fictional kingdom, instead of the setting from the original thief of Baghdad,

    One of the verses of the opening song “Arabian Nights” was altered following protests from the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC). The lyrics were changed in July 1993 from “Where they cut off your ear if they don’t like your face,” in the original release to “Where it’s flat and immense and the heat is intense.” The change first appeared on the 1993 video release.[83] The original lyric was intact on the initial CD soundtrack release, but the re-release uses the edited lyric. The rerecording has the original voice on all other lines and then a noticeably deeper voice says the edited line. Entertainment Weekly ranked Aladdin in a list of the most controversial films in history, due to this incident.[84] The ADC also complained about the portrayal of the lead characters Aladdin and Jasmine. They criticized the characters’ Anglicized features and Anglo-American accents, in contrast to the other characters in the film, which are dark-skinned, have foreign accents and grotesque facial features, and appear villainous or greedy.[83]

    I guess for similar reasons than the other film, didn’t reference the Saudi or another real emirate,

    narciso (732bc0)

  29. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, journalism keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community. — Oscar Wilde

    nk (dbc370)

  30. meanwhile we have taken in 100,000 since 2012, around the time, they had a back channel with the regime,

    narciso (732bc0)

  31. @ Patterico, Re post #8;

    Patterico, I’m having a hard time reading your post as anything but blatant Dalekiphobia! And racist (Daleks are a race, after all).

    :)

    Arizona CJ (dabb2a)

  32. actually no, Thaals are the race, Daleks were the survivors of the great war,

    narciso (732bc0)

  33. my mistake:

    Dalek in-universe history has seen many retroactive changes, which have caused continuity problems.[80] When the Daleks first appeared, they were presented as the descendants of the Dals, mutated after a brief nuclear war between the Dal and Thal races 500 years ago. This race of Daleks is destroyed when their power supply is wrecked.[81] However, when they reappear in The Dalek Invasion of Earth, they have conquered Earth in the 22nd century. Later stories saw them develop time travel and a space empire. In 1975, Terry Nation revised the Daleks’ origins in Genesis of the Daleks, where the Dals were now called Kaleds (of which “Daleks” is an anagram), and the Dalek design was attributed to one man, the crippled Kaled chief scientist and evil genius, Davros.[82] Instead of a short nuclear exchange, the Kaled-Thal war was portrayed as a thousand-year-long war of attrition, fought with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons which caused widespread mutations among the Kaled race. Davros experimented on living Kaled cells to find the ultimate mutated form of the Kaled species and placed the subjects in tank-like “travel machines” whose design was based on his own life-support chair.[82]

    narciso (732bc0)

  34. I vote we assimilate, with alacrity, as many Betas (think Deanna Troi) as can beam down safely.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  35. Obviously Oscar Wilde didn’t read the NYT or he would have realized journalists are the community of the ignorant.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  36. This after officials have acknowledged there is no way to effectively vet refugees coming in from Syria, and after it was discovered that a radical Islamic jihadist used a fake passport to sneak into Europe before wreaking havoc in last month’s terrorist attack in France.

    Moreover, given that we now know that San Bernardino terrorist, Tashfeen Malik was not thoroughly vetted before being allowed into the country, there is no question that there is a lack of efficiency and reliability in the current vetting process.

    Granted, we know that, but do those surveyed know that? Without knowing whether or not they know those things, one cannot know to chalk their choice up, generally, to ignorance or foolhardiness.

    Dusty (b55a48)

  37. Dusty, embrace the power of And.

    John Hitchcock (283f0d)

  38. Not really a fair comparison. When you feed the naked, shelter the hungry, and clothe the homeless, you don’t need to know where they’re from. All you need to know is that they need help and you’re able to give it. Even if it proves foolish and imprudent, it’s still admirable. But before deciding to bomb someone you’d better have a dam good reason for it!

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  39. So bombing can never be self-defense?

    DRJ (15874d)

  40. Or is your point that every person who answers a poll should now assume that the government will bomb foreign places, and identify which places to bomb, based on poll results? To heck with military planning and foreign policy, let’s bomb based on polls. Should people feel like that’s possible?

    On the other hand, I think people should feel like who we accept as refugees might be based on polls, because polls reflect domestic willingness to fund and accept refugees into the country. So it makes sense to expect people to be informed about where these refugees might come from — and whether they pose a threat — before answering we should accept them. Otherwise, it sounds like people are quite happy to do the “noble” thing, as long as it’s with taxpayer money.

    Finally, whether liberal or conservative, why should people who respond to polls be expected to know they might be punked? I think pollsters should be very careful about using polls to fool people and try to make them look foolish.

    DRJ (15874d)

  41. DRJ,

    Sorry, but I do see value in such fake issue polling. Somewhat like using placebos during medical trials the fake questions help give some idea about how informed the public is about the issue being studied.

    Soronel Haetir (86a46e)

  42. Of course bombing can be self-defense. So can shooting, but before you shoot someone you’d better have a dam good reason, or it’s murder. If you don’t know anything about someone then you can’t possibly have a good reason to shoot them; and if you don’t know anything about a place then you can’t possibly have a good reason to bomb it. Therefore it can never be right to agree to bomb Nowhereland, any more than it can be right to shoot John Nobody.

    If people were asked “Should John Blah be executed”, and they’d never heard of someone by that name, would they say yes?! And yet when people were asked “should we bomb Blahland”, and some significant percentage answered “yes”. There’s no way to justify that response. Whereas when you characterize people as refugees that’s already a reason to help them, without having to know where they’re from.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  43. It’s definitely interesting but how do these results allow us to draw meaningful conclusions? What, exactly, do these two polls tell us about the people answering polls? Should we conclude that 40-50% of Americans are too foolish to even talk to, or they are geographically illiterate but otherwise reasonable, or that they are easily confused by foreign names, or merely that they don’t go to Disney movies? Those are vastly different conclusions.

    My feeling is there is too little information to draw conclusions about the public.

    DRJ (15874d)

  44. Milhouse,

    I see your point, just as I saw Patterico’s point when he originally made this argument. You both give more meaning and validity to polling than I do.

    DRJ (15874d)

  45. My feeling is there is too little information to draw conclusions about the public.
    DRJ (15874d) — 12/25/2015 @ 12:10 pm

    Other than learning how uninformed the public is, I agree.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  46. To use Soronel Haetir’s analogy, we may get valid results from a medical trial where participants are registered, paid, monitored, and contractually-obligated to follow a specific protocol to decide whether a medicine is effective. The results probably won’t be reliable if we did it like polling, e.g., called someone up and asked whether a particular medicine works — with no controls, follow-up, or incentives to be thoughtful and serious.

    I have no problem with using polling to get the public’s pulse at any given time, but it is an inherently unreliable way to make important decisions.

    DRJ (15874d)

  47. Polls can be used to make people look foolish, and often are. If we are really that dumb, we wouldn’t be able to function day-to-day.

    DRJ (15874d)

  48. While I would tend to agree with you, DRJ, I think given what we know about the typical 18-34 year olds and what they are being taught in our colleges and universities and given the prevailing mindset of young people since Obama campaigned the first time for the presidency and presented a kumbyah mentality and introduced the shame-on-America thinking as part of his platform (so to speak), I think the percentages reflected in this poll are likely spot-on. I don’t think I’m painting with too broad a brush when I say that I’m not sure it would really matter how the polling questions were worded in this case because I think the basic core belief of today’s young people are accurately reflected in the 66% affirmative.

    Dana (86e864)

  49. Yes, the young are inexperienced, ignorant and inclined to be idealistic. I suspect they are more ignorant than prior generations, thanks to our sad educational system, but I may be wrong. It certainly isn’t true for all young people because I see plenty of smart young people in real life and online.

    But being idealistic and inexperienced are features of youth and these qualities don’t bother me, except when people say the young should be making important decisions for our society.

    DRJ (15874d)

  50. Being idealistic and inexperienced is one thing, but when they have the ability to cast a vote in a state or national election, it’s another thing entirely.

    Dana (86e864)

  51. Why do you think Obama has suddenly decided to deport illegals? My initial feeling was he wants to show the hardship caused by large-scale deportations, but these deportations focus on people who have come here recently.

    Does he have reliable Intel there are many terrorists among the recent immigrants? I bet he does.

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