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12/7/2015

Ted Cruz: I Would Not Ban All Muslims from Entering the Country

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:47 pm



Asked whether he would support an absurd proposal to ban Muslims from coming into the country — including Muslim citizens on vacation abroad who would be returning — Ted Cruz said:

“Well that, that is not my policy. I’ve introduced legislation in the Senate that would put in place a three year moratorium on refugees coming from countries where ISIS or Al Qaeda can control a substantial amount of territory. And the reason is that’s where the threat is coming from,” Cruz said.

He continued, “I think that’s the approach we should take and we need a commander and chief who is focused on keeping this nation safe. And the way we do so is focusing in particular on radical Islamic terrorism which is exactly what I intend to do.”

Virtually every Republican running agrees. As do I.

UPDATE: It is worth noting, as DRJ notes in comments, that Cruz is now leading the polls in Iowa. That makes him a winner, and those who are not leading . . . losers. #winning

147 Responses to “Ted Cruz: I Would Not Ban All Muslims from Entering the Country”

  1. It’s a little shocking that Cruz needed to say this, but that’s today’s political atmosphere for you.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. thank you Mr. Trump for creating the rhetorical space for so it’s more difficult for the whore media to characterize Mr. Cruz’s positions as extreme

    thank you and also happy pearl harbor day to you Mr. The Donald

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. Trump said what he said because Cruz is finally leading in Iowa.

    DRJ (15874d)

  4. But Trump’s statement will still resonate with some people because we are sick and tired of losing without even trying to fight. Obama basically told us last night that we are wrong for even talking about fighting.

    DRJ (15874d)

  5. Wait till someone returning from overseas detonates a dirty bomb (or a biological or chemical bomb) on our shores then ask yourself what measures you’d support to prevent another similar occurrence.

    Sort of like locking the barn door after the horses have run off.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  6. come back horsies please come back

    happyfeet (831175)

  7. countries where ISIS or Al Qaeda can control a substantial amount of territory. And the reason is that’s where the threat is coming from,” Cruz said

    Has Ted Cruz noticed that neither Saudi Arabia nor Pakistan fits into the category of a country where al Qaeda controls a substantial amount of territory?

    It’s their sponsers who control things there.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  8. Moderate muzzlums are just waiting in line to become suicide bombers. The moderates run cammo as their brothers do the killing.
    Get involved in the day to day life as Americans, have a baby drop it off at grandmas, and bombs away. Yes indeed keep these ingrates in their home sand.

    mg (31009b)

  9. 5. .ropelight (f4c022) — 12/7/2015 @ 5:56 pm

    Wait till someone returning from overseas detonates a dirty bomb (or a biological or chemical bomb) on our shores then ask yourself what measures you’d support to prevent another similar occurrence.

    Have you noticed, but since the millenium bomb plot, terrorists have not attempted to smuggle in any weapons or explosives (except on an airplane to be used on that airplane)

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  10. Trump wins the coveted 2015 Father Coughlin award for religious bigotry. It is sad enough to remember that the US turned away Jews during the Holocaust because of people like Coughlin, and ironic to know he called his movement “Social Justice.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  11. By making his statement today, Trump assured himself of wide media coverage of his rally at the USS Yorktown in Mount Pleasant, S.C. He slipped a bit in the polls, he said something sensational, and boom, the media comes calling. He plays the media, but he’s the fool, because he gets the media attention off of our floundering president (especially after last night…), and once again, GOP candidates face a media demanding they denounce a fellow candidate.

    Dana (86e864)

  12. well no, Wilsonian and New Dealer in good stead, Breckenridge Long did that, and a passel of aides that included future envoy to Vietnam, Elbridge Durbrow,

    narciso (732bc0)

  13. I would put all men with combovers on the no-fly list. Also anybody whose name starts with t and end in p.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. read Winik’s 1944, for that tragic interlude, meanwhile we seem to be admitting Abwehr agents, and turning away the Jews, if the analogy holds,

    narciso (732bc0)

  15. …including Muslim citizens on vacation abroad who would be returning…

    His spokesman said “everyone.” Trump was apparently just asked about this on Fox, and he specified non-citizen immigrants.

    scrutineer (b7d257)

  16. This thing has a long way to go. In 2012, it wasn’t over until the end of March, when Romney finally closed the deal. This may take longer and depending on when Trump and Carson get out, it may even have a reentry or two.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  17. Considering how far from the other candidates that Trump is getting, it would be interesting to see a poll at the next debate: “If Mr Trump were to secure the nomination, would you support him? If not, do you agree not to run as an independent?”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  18. I can imagine a three-way race Trump (GOP) – Romney (Ind) – Hillary (Dem/Green/Socialist fusion)

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  19. Coughlin? Not Avery Brundage, Hitler’s bought and paid-for fifth columnist; who as head of the USOC gave Hitler the 1936 Olympics; founded America First a pro-Nazi organization which lobbied first against the war and then for a negotiated peace with Germany; and nonetheless prospered and was head of the the International Olympic Committee when the PLO killed the Israeli athletes in Munich? Coughlin was small Irish potatoes compared to that pig.

    nk (dbc370)

  20. Trump is absolutely right. The more Muslims you have among you, the more people will die.

    Islam is a death cult, pledged against all the rest of humanity. Muslims are commended by their false prophet to murder infidels. Why would we even consider letting them into our country?

    So many of us believe, falsely, that Islam is just another religion, and that terrorists are distorting Islam. No, they are not distorting it, they are living it, as it was written.

    I’ve read 18 books on the history, practices, beliefs of Islam and the life of Muhammad. This religion is entirely evil. I suggest you apologists for jihad try reading a book.

    Stogie (df3219)

  21. 8. Trump wins the coveted 2015 Father Coughlin award for religious bigotry. It is sad enough to remember that the US turned away Jews during the Holocaust because of people like Coughlin, and ironic to know he called his movement “Social Justice.”

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/7/2015 @ 6:20 pm

    ?!?!!

    We’re still turning away the Jews. At least, the 21st century version of the Jews, the Christians, Yazidis, Baha’i, and other religious minorities being slaughtered by ISIS.

    In preference to giving refuge to the persecuted, we’re giving refuge to their persecutors. And I do mean exactly the refugees the Obama administration is accepting. There’s a reason why Christians, who made up 10% of the population of Syria only make up 0.4% of the Syrian refugees admitted to the US since the attacks on Paris last month. The Muslims torment, threaten, intimidate, and beat the minorities and drive them from the UN camps. ISIS has people inside those camps and the religious minorities fear they’ll be targeted and killed. And since the religious minorities can’t live in the camps, they can’t go through the UN paperwork drill this administration insists upon. The UN “vetting” is a farce, but these so-called refugees still have to have all their papers in order to come to the US.

    It’s ironic, Kevin, that you recall the memory of the Jews of the 1930s to gloss over the fact that the 21st century version of the German Aryan Volk is cutting to the head of the line ahead of their victims. And this administration is turning a blind eye to it.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  22. What narciso said @12.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  23. but it was a bipartisan concensus back then,

    https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/674039550629449729

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. a better take, however the salafi lobbies, ICNA, CAIR, MSA, seems to be obscuring the difference

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/12/senator-ben-sasse-we-should-tell-the-truth-about-the-enemy-we-face/

    narciso (732bc0)

  25. I’m not a Trump supporter (I’m currently leaning Cruz), but I see nothing objectionable in Trump’s plan, PROVIDED he does not include US citizens in that (I’d oppose that on constitutional grounds).

    In fact, I support ending Muslim immigration, and terrorism is only #2 on my list of reasons why. #1 is I’ve seen firsthand, many times, what large scale Islamic immigration has done to parts of Europe.

    When Trump entered the race, I rolled my eyes. I hated him then. However, he’s grown on me, warts and all (and he’s got plenty), to where he’s around 2nd or 3rd in my preferences list.

    If it wasn’t for my concern that he’s just (now and in the past) saying whatever it takes to win and won’t follow through, he’d be my first choice after today.

    Arizona CJ (331a26)

  26. Center for Security Policy (excerpt)

    Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists’ Doctrine of Shariah, Jihad

    Press Releases | June 23, 2015 | The Muslim Brotherhood in America, Understanding the Shariah Threat Doctrine

    According to a new nationwide online survey (Below) of 600 Muslims living in the United States, significant minorities embrace supremacist notions that could pose a threat to America’s security and its constitutional form of government.

    The numbers of potential jihadists among the majority of Muslims who appear not to be sympathetic to such notions raise a number of public policy choices that warrant careful consideration and urgent debate, including: the necessity for enhanced surveillance of Muslim communities; refugee resettlement, asylum and other immigration programs that are swelling their numbers and density; and the viability of so-called “countering violent extremism” initiatives that are supposed to stymie radicalization within those communities.

    Overall, the survey, which was conducted by The Polling Company for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), suggests that a substantial number of Muslims living in the United States see the country very differently than does the population overall. The sentiments of the latter were sampled in late May in another CSP-commissioned Polling Company nationwide survey.

    According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).

    More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts.

    These notions were powerfully rejected by the broader population according to the Center’s earlier national survey. It found by a margin of 92%-2% that Muslims should be subject to the same courts as other citizens, rather than have their own courts and tribunals here in the U.S.

    Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.” […]

    ropelight (f4c022)

  27. The religion of kill whitey.
    How many more, Mr. Speaker? How many more?
    Americans are politically correct sluts.

    mg (31009b)

  28. “I’ve introduced legislation in the Senate that would put in place a three year moratorium on refugees coming from countries where ISIS or Al Qaeda can control a substantial amount of territory.”

    The more that ISIS oppresses people, the less Ted Cruz will help.

    DonJ (1a4c72)

  29. I’m not a Trump supporter (I’m currently leaning Cruz), but I see nothing objectionable in Trump’s plan, PROVIDED he does not include US citizens in that (I’d oppose that on constitutional grounds).

    Read the post again and click the links. He does.

    He says if you are a citizen vacationing overseas you can’t come back in if you are Muslim. He said it through a spokeswoman.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  30. In a little over a year, how much territory will Islamic State control, we’re not just talking Iraq and Syria, but the Sinai, parts of the Caucasus, the Arabian peninsula among others,

    narciso (732bc0)

  31. UPDATE: It is worth noting, as DRJ notes in comments, that Cruz is now leading the polls in Iowa. That makes him a winner, and those who are not leading . . . losers. #winning

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  32. It’s not about territory, it’s about revenue producing assets, transportation routs, and population centers. Sparsely populated areas can easily be incorporated later without the need to commit resources to holding them now.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  33. I think Cruz could beat Hillary in this atmosphere. I didn’t before San Bernardino, but I do now. People realize the oligarchs don’t care about us, or even like us, so they will vote for Trump if they have to and IMO Cruz, if they have the option.

    I do think Cruz’ statement about bombing was a little over the top too.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  34. The only way to prevent Trump from getting the nomination is to either rig the vote or shoot the man. Baring that, it’s time to start getting your head right, otherwise you’re pissin’ against the tide.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  35. Trump says a lot of stuff, and he means none of it. He’s a snake-oil salesman and only an idiot would believe any promise he makes. The saddest part is that so many people want to believe the most disgusting of the things he says.

    nk (dbc370)

  36. Sounds more like you and Obama.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  37. The first part is also true of just about any other politician you could name, but at least they are not plumbing the gutter of humanity.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. Sounds more like you and Obama.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. I’d like to ask exactly how many Americans need to be shot up or blown up by home-grown moslem terrorists like Farooq last week before you guys finally decide the muzzzies gotta go? You don’t want to bring new ones in but the ones here can stay? So I guess if the next Farooq kills your wife or daughter that’s okay cause he’s an American enemy.

    Again, the Constitution isn’t a suicide pact. f a country is the enemy, kill he countrymen. If it’s a religion, kill those who practice it. And if it’s the Rotary Club kill the Rotary Club. Always kill the enemy. But don’t walk around blindly denying who the enemy is because you “feel” it’s politically incorrect.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  40. Sorry. If ropelight’s Sounds more like you and Obama. was meant for me, I do not promise anything and I don’t ask for anything — not that you believe me and not that you make me President. And Obama has better hair than Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. Of course it was obviously directed squarely at you nk, and if you can’t figure that one out you ought to pipe down about Trump or Cruz or any other GOP candidate. Turks can’t vote in US elections.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  42. Once more Trump gets in the way of negative news coverage of the dangerously mentally Incompetent-in-Chief. The idiot just can’t help himself.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  43. I’m worried that Huckleberry Finn might have been right: All the fools in town are on Trump’s side. And ain’t that enough of a majority in any town?

    nk (dbc370)

  44. I find it grandstanding, as with much of what he does,

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/12/american-muslim-groups-band-together-to-call-out-extremists/

    this is a better path, but with CAIR, and every other lobby, representing itself as the true face of Islzn,

    narciso (732bc0)

  45. @ Paterico;

    “Read the post again and click the links. He does.”

    I did read the link, as well as Trump’s statement. I know the spokeswoman said “Mr. Trump said everyone”. However, I don’t know the environment the spokeswoman was in or the wording of the question (as a hypothetical example, I’m far more inclined to discount anything said in a noisy, confusing environment).

    I’m willing to hold off until I know for sure what he meant. His Fox appearance mentioned above indicates the other way, so IMHO there’s a need for clarification.

    Arizona CJ (331a26)

  46. I’m not ‘jumping to conclusions’ it’s a good way to get shin splits, but it is instructivede how KSM was issued visas three times, including once after indictment, of course two of the 9/11 hijackers were issued passports, six months after they passed,

    narciso (732bc0)

  47. I think Cruz could beat Hillary in this atmosphere.

    It’s pathetic that the outcome of any Republican running against godawful Hillary should even be in doubt, if not so much because her opponent (whether Cruz, Trump or Carson, etc) will be necessarily fantastic, but because Hillary is such a scroungebag. Yet the very fact there’s a sense we need to be that cynical about the judgment and wisdom of a majority of the American electorate is a damning statement of this society.

    Mark (f713e4)

  48. It’s not all that difficult, ask yourself if you’d refuse to allow an American citizen, born or naturalized, to re-enter the country after a trip abroad. Certainly not one returning from Europe, or Vietnam, or even China. And you’d surely have a few additional questions for anyone returning from Pakistan, Syria, or Saudi Arabia for example. But upon verification of satisfactory responses even those individuals would be welcomed home.

    Now, given the unrelenting attempts by Trump’s detractors, especially those in the drive-by media and their new friends in the GOPe, to tag him with some sort of outrageously dishonest smear, wouldn’t it be prudent to avoid going off half cocked with the latest in an ugly string of gotchas? Hummm?

    ropelight (f4c022)

  49. And Obama has better hair than Trump.

    I find Barry to be so execrable that even a joke that puts him in a positive light — even against squish-squishy Trump — makes me grimace.

    Mark (f713e4)

  50. Now, how would Trump define Muslim? Attends Muslims religious services? Two parents who were Muslims? One parent? One grandparent? One great-grandparent?

    nk (dbc370)

  51. Those who trace descent through the female line are matrilineal, like Jets. Through the male line – Patrilineal, like Moslims. So, it’s not up Trump, it’s not his call. BTW that makes Obama a Moslim.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  52. Jewish Jets.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  53. Obama is a Muslim by at least three different paths — daddy, step-daddy and childhood indoctrination; but what would you do with Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

    nk (dbc370)

  54. If we were in San Francisco I’m invite her for lunch at the Balboa Cafe.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  55. we’re told a great many things are true, that turn out not to be:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/a-missed-warning/article/2000125

    narciso (732bc0)

  56. I’m willing to hold off until I know for sure what he meant. His Fox appearance mentioned above indicates the other way, so IMHO there’s a need for clarification.

    Can’t wait.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  57. but that’s something different,

    https://twitter.com/ThatSabertooth/status/674078608546127872

    narciso (732bc0)

  58. An organism that does not defend itself dies.

    DN (84d11d)

  59. jebbush.com now redirects . . . somewhere else.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  60. Some troll snapped it up way back (it’s done all the time), and when he tried to sell it to the Bush campaign they told him to go pound sand, so he unloaded it on Trump. Yeah, Trump is a class act.

    nk (dbc370)

  61. Before they kill more innocent white people, keep these people at home – in sand city.
    or Fuck America, cause the bleeding hearts say so.

    mg (31009b)

  62. United States of Bleeding Hearts.
    Cruz/West

    mg (31009b)

  63. All immigration to the US should be halted. Wall should be built. Each candidate has different takes on this issue. Cruz has a strong stance, but perhaps not strong enough. Trump has taken a stronger stance which probably cannot be implemented legally, but he makes a point, particularly with this crisis, which will resonate with those who are completely fed-up with what has been done so far.

    It is time to fight these cowards, not be politically squeamishly correct.

    xsssx (5b5ffd)

  64. Sticks and stones will break her bones when sharia hits the streets of America.
    Let the gates open.
    Morons.

    mg (31009b)

  65. 86% of egyptians think you should be murdered if you leave islam.
    and Egypt is considered a moderate muslim nation.
    Fricking grand, just grand. Some Republicans hate America more than democrats.

    mg (31009b)

  66. Ayaan Hirsi Ali says Americans can have no understanding of the depth and intensity of the attachment Moslims are bound to Islamic dogmas. For example, the mother of a 6 month old would willingly abandon the child in favor of following the far greater imperative of striking infidels to earn the approval of Allah.

    This sort of unwavering absolute adherence to intolerant 14th century barbaric nonsense is what drives bloodthirsty Islamic savage animals to mass murder while not only absolving them of guilt, it promises to reward their inhumanity with favored positions in paradise.

    To the extent Moslims can overcome the limitations of their violently insane and monumentally stupid religion these new Americans can live among us, they can practice a reformed version of their religion that respects the rights of others, and these bright and industrious people can contribute to the future of the greatest nation on earth.

    If they can’t they should be compelled to pursue their future elsewhere, and damn quick.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  67. It IS absurd to discriminate against immigrants on the basis of religion. Why, that’s just flat out wrong! (Patterico’s condemnation of Trump)

    Instead, we’ll discriminate against immigrants based upon their national origin! (Patterico’s support of Cruz)

    Are you people able to hear yourselves? LOL

    School Marm (f96753)

  68. If the religion in question demands the mass murder of Americans it’s not wrong to discriminate against its practitioners, nor is it wrong the discriminate against their place of their national origin, it’s just plain common sense.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  69. Trump makes a point after the lectures from Obama and Lynch and that is good. Note also that the FBI recently said: very, very few Muslims have helped since 9/11. American Muslims must either realize that they are American first and then Muslims; if they don’t they are enemy material. Cruz therefore needs to up the ante a bit to win.

    jorgen (9ab64e)

  70. I like Ace of Spades analysis of Trump’s position much better than Patterico’s. Ace is no fan of Trump, but unlike Patterico, at least he’s able to remain objective and discuss the issue substantively.

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=360455

    School Marm (f96753)

  71. Patterico’s OK, he’s just a little slow on the uptake.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  72. I’ve introduced legislation in the Senate that would put in place a three year moratorium on refugees coming from countries where ISIS or Al Qaeda can control a substantial amount of territory.

    Waitaminnit. Including Christians, Yazidis, gays, apostates, women who don’t want to be slaves, and other minorities who would not fit in to other Moslem countries? Normal Moslems who just want to listen to music or shave or skip mosque from time to time can be resettled in a normal Moslem country, and we should demand that such countries take them in, but all those other people would be persecuted there too.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  73. The Muslims are a good start, we can send them to the camps after we’re done with the Mexicans. And after that we can send in the liberals and the RHINOs, that will be a fine start indeed.

    Mary (7404b7)

  74. The constitution may not be a suicide pact, but if the only way to defend America is to give up everything that makes it worth defending then what’s the point? If that’s what it takes then let it fall.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  75. Those who trace descent through the female line are matrilineal, like Jets. Through the male line – Patrilineal, like Moslims. So, it’s not up Trump, it’s not his call. BTW that makes Obama a Moslim.

    The entire concept of corruption of the blood is profoundly unAmerican, besides being explicitly unconstitutional. If America ever becomes that kind of country then it will deserve to burn.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  76. If it were desired to prevent Moslems (or Moslem aliens) from entering at a properly controlled border crossing, a simple test would be to demand that the applicant for entry declare either: (1) that Mohammed was not a prophet of Allah, and never spoke to any angel; or (2) that the Bab and Baha’u’llah were prophets of Allah. The only non-Moslems who would have a problem with declaration (1) are Baha’is, and they should be able to make declaration (2) instead. A true Moslem would not be able to make either of these declarations, and since the only penalty for not making them would be not being admitted to the USA, taqiyah would not be justified, because a Moslem sould not want to enter a country that requires such a declaration, and should instead go somewhere else, “for Allah’s earth is wide”.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  77. Time for me to place the mohamhead bomb poster in my truck, again. Bring it on muzzies, I am ready to fight to the death to keep you from killing innocent white people.

    mg (31009b)

  78. this is where obama’s led us Mr. Milhouse

    people are fed up with the antisocial and generally all-around poor behavior of food stamp’s terrorist refugees

    Mr. Trump is signaling that yeah he gets it, same as how Mr. Senator Cruz is signaling the same thing

    same as how President Food Stamp signaled in his speech that he’s determined to ram as many terrorist refugees up america’s butt while he can

    he’s a rapey lil food stamp, your president

    rape rape rape

    rape rape rape

    when all you got is a hammer

    happyfeet (831175)

  79. does jeb remind you of lumpy rutherford?

    mg (31009b)

  80. oh gosh that’s spooky

    happyfeet (831175)

  81. why’s lumpy still in the race anyways?

    he’s repulsive to the voters he’s trying to attract

    happyfeet (831175)

  82. The boosh league family wants one more crack at killing us infidels.

    mg (31009b)

  83. The old man could not get rid of them, nor could his gutless son. Leaders-Hell No.
    Truman could have done a much better job at ridding us of those vermin.

    mg (31009b)

  84. Not suggesting any suggestion or anything. But, what proactive steps would you support to prevent
    another Rotherham in this country?

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  85. hashtags Mr. Aubrey

    you gotta do the hashtags

    happyfeet (831175)

  86. #plstonotrapethechildrenokeydokeythxyouguys

    happyfeet (831175)

  87. But, what proactive steps would you support to prevent another Rotherham in this country?

    Nuke Hollywood.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. Trump wins the coveted 2015 Father Coughlin award for religious bigotry. It is sad enough to remember that the US turned away Jews during the Holocaust because of people like Coughlin

    There is no comparison. Which Jews attacked Americans prior to 1940 ?

    You don’t make sense.

    After the war began, Britain sent German refugees to Canada even though almost all were Jews fleeing Hitler. How do toy describe that ?

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  89. Speedbump Tsarnaev went back to the old country and returned with nutty ideas. So did Sayed Farook.
    Taking a second look at them on their way back in might have saved a good many deaths and cripplings.
    What is the acceptable number of dead Americans as a price for not doing this sort of thing?
    Pick a number. Be aware that, no matter how nuts Trump sounds, the number will not be zero.
    I am not suggesting we do one thing or another, except calculate the price of doing one thing or another.
    Of course, there are all those squirrels over there with shiny things tied around them!!!!!

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  90. After the war began, Britain sent German refugees to Canada even though almost all were Jews fleeing Hitler. How do toy describe that ?

    The way almost everyone described it at the time. As a hysterical paranoid reaction to the fall of Dunkirk. The UK thought better of it almost immediately after, and stopped the deportation program.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  91. We can keep foreigners out for any reason or no reason.
    We might be able to keep non-citizen resident aliens from returning if 1) we are at war with their home country or 2) they left the country without obtaining a re-entry permit and/or an important public health or safety reason, but good luck if it’s only because we don’t like their religion.
    We cannot keep U.S. citizens out unless they have a nuclear weapon implanted in their bodies. Period. If they have the Andromeda Strain we must let them in and quarantine them. If they are Satanists who eat babies for breakfast we must let them in and prosecute them. If they are waging war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to the enemy we must prove it beyond a reasonable with the testimony of two witnesses to the same over act, after we’ve let them in and indicted them for treason.

    Trump’s ideas are as substantial as his hair.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. As a hysterical paranoid reaction to the fall of Dunkirk.

    Agreed but that was my point. The Japanese internment was ended as soon as invasion of California was clearly not a risk. It was never a risk, certainly not as big a risk as German invasion of Britain in 1940. People did not understand that and everyone has forgotten about The Niihau incident, where Japanese workers joined a crash landed Zero pilot in attacking white residents. That was probably influential with military and government officials who knew of it.

    The Trump proposal has nothing to do with the situation of Jewish refugees in 1940.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  93. I don’t believe that recognizing the enemy who is attacking you this time around is not a country but a political state wrapped up in a religion and acting accordingly is giving up everything that makes this country worth defending. So fighting back against a declared enemy shouting “Death to America” and “Allahu Akbar” because it does not abide by the politically correct notion that only nations, not religions, go to war gives up everything that makes America worth defending and therefore we deserve to fall? So we give up everything good about America by not opening our eyes and fighting back against the moslems? There’s nothing else good about America? And we’re supposed to allow them to live among us until such time as they drop their kids off at grandma’s and visit my wife’s Christmas party to kill her.

    If that’s what you guys think then perhaps it is, as Milhouse stated, time for America to fall. Perhaps it’s because I’m one of the few guys here that was actually in battle and witness to slaughter first hand that makes me not want them killing and blowing up pressure cookers in the streets of America. I don’t want to see moslems fighting for Allah creating streets of blood and body parts of my fellow Americans and perhaps our loved ones like I saw the followers of Marx do in Vietnam. You see, it doesn’t matter which thug an animal follows, political or religious, it only matters we stop them in the name of Freedom. Failure to do that and we do deserve to fall.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  94. You might not have had to fight in Vietnam, Hoagie, if that seditious Muslim, Omar Bradley, had not sold us to the Soviets at the end of WWII. He kept Patton from driving Zhukov’s Red Army out of all liberated Europe like Patton wanted to, can you believe it? Omar! If that’s not a Muslim name, I don’t know what is. What was Eisenhower thinking?

    nk (dbc370)

  95. Patterico’s OK, he’s just a little slow on the uptake.

    I do recall his originally not being aware (as was true of me too) of the ruthless, vengeful, bloodthirsty nature of Islam’s founder. In light of Mohammed’s history, I now have to really guffaw when I think of George W Bush, right after 9-11, declaring that Islam was a “religion of peace.”

    (I’ll sidestep this blog’s owner also originally assuming — as was true of me too — when debating the pros and cons of SSM — that males were generally either totally straight or totally gay. In light of the amount of bisexuality that exists out there [hey, Barack!], I now have to really guffaw at those who try to equate sexuality and marriage with race and marriage, such as a person of a particular [and intrinsic] skin color wanting to marry another person of a different [and intrinsic] skin color, etc. I won’t say anything about the statement expressed back in 2009, right after the election, that Obama at least was a “good man,” which even then I knew was a bunch of malarkey.)

    Mark (f713e4)

  96. I like Ace of Spades analysis of Trump’s position much better than Patterico’s. Ace is no fan of Trump, but unlike Patterico, at least he’s able to remain objective and discuss the issue substantively.

    Sorry, I spent the evening collecting discovery for a lawsuit he’s no longer in.

    That said, I’ll take Cruz’s rejection of the silly idea over others’ support of it.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  97. If that’s what you guys think then perhaps it is, as Milhouse stated, time for America to fall.

    If it falls it will be due more to Nidal Hasan-ization (incubated by the squish-squish-squishy biases evident in people like, for example, Milhouse himself) and not anything reminiscent of socio-political policies and practices of over 60 years ago.

    Mark (f713e4)

  98. Thanks, Mike K.,
    never heard of that before, that I can remember,
    while limited in scope, it is factual evidence, not speculation, of a valid concern,
    then, as now

    On the other hand, the Americans of Japanese background who fought in Europe distinguished themselves and did more for the US than most of us.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  99. Rev. Hoagie,
    A serious question, not snark or “gotcha”,
    how did you deal with the situation of not knowing which villagers were sympathetic to the North and those who were sympathetic to the South?
    I can only imagine it was more than difficult.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  100. The real problem is that Obama’s foreign policy has destroyed the modern nation-states that contained the extremist forces that are gaining strength and influence. It’s difficult to see how the region will calm down and the threat from these Mohammed-wannabes will recede without a resurgence of modern secular nation-states.

    Importing people from these troubled areas for the time being is obviously importing trouble for Americans. The Cruz proposal is way more sensible than the latest Trump-burst, but the Trump-burst has hit the bulls-eye of American concern.

    crazy (cde091)

  101. If Obama would be consistent with the idea of “not being the world’s policeman” and letting other nations deal with their own problems, perhaps we would take in women, children, and oppressed minorities, and make the men of fighting age stay and “solve their problems”.

    But the people behind the left really have only one true principle, which is to gain power and control, and ever thing else is fluid in the pursuit of that goal. So they will intervene, but only in their own interests, such as Libya.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  102. “The way almost everyone described it at the time. As a hysterical paranoid reaction to the fall of Dunkirk. The UK thought better of it almost immediately after, and stopped the deportation program.”

    Jews being shipped to Canada may have been the best approach for the Jews. A goodly portion of the British leadership might well have signed a peace agreement with Hitler.

    Davod (f3a711)

  103. Nowadays, the false sense of obligation and guilt that we have about being Americans and being successful, along with little knowledge of political theory, has produced this weird definition of right and wrong. If we say no to any person from a victim class, that is racism. If they experience any diminishment of their goals in life, that is racism. If we say no to immigration for any reason, that is racism.

    It’s also suicidal.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  104. Omar is a ME name, nk. Part of the remnants of the blood thirsty murderers from the religion of peace who stormed through Europe in conquest until those bad Christians drove them out. Russia was not in any part of Nam I saw. Chinese were all over but no Russians.

    I realize it’s difficult for American’s to understand an actual religion hates you and wants you dead. It causes cognitive dissonance from so many years of PC. All cultures are not equal. All are not good and all are not interested in progress. The same is true with religions. Islam exemplifies that.

    Moslems will never assimilate in America. Never. Never. Ever. It’s against their religion. If we allow them here they will destroy our culture, our republic, our society and our Judeo-Christian heritage of law and legal code. In short, they are the exact opposite of what it takes to be an American.

    I’m married to an immigrant. I love the unique American idea that a person can come from anywhere on earth and become an American. But I do not believe that our Constitution requires us to let in or let stay people who don’t want to be Americans but rather want to kill Americans. And my wife did not immigrate from South Korea and go through all the procedures and pay all the expenses to pledge her honor to America so she can be murdered at a party or a marathon or just going to work by some moslem who came here for only one reason: to kill Americans.

    Just so you all know, it doesn’t matter if they’re immigrants, refugees, visitors, illegals or home grown. They’re moslems and they want to kill you! We have enough to do controlling run of the mill criminals we don’t need 130,000 or ore Sayed Farook’s running around.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  105. This is our future if we don’t recognize the error of having moslems here.

    http://www.wnd.com/files/2015/11/Syrian-refugees-UNHCR-photo8.jpg

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  106. I do believe that any system of thought that claims anyone other then Jesus is Lord and that violent forced adherence is warranted if voluntary belief is denied,
    is a belief that is inconsistent with life in a free society.

    That said, we know that not everyone who calls themselves “Muslim” agrees with that formulation of it (though far more than “a few” do),
    as also pointed out, “How do you tell?”

    Back to a serious question Rev. Hoagie,
    how did you deal with the situation in Vietnam, where all of the villagers “looked enough alike” that you couldn’t tell who sympathized with who?
    Obviously, there is a huge difference in that that land was “their” land,as opposed to letting people in.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  107. Te proposal is not “absurd”. It may be an over reaction, and it may be technically un-Constitutional (wouldn’t be the first or last thing “the government” did that was such) but it would not be absurd.

    If thousands people who ate at Burger King over the past 50 years died of food poisoning, it wouldn’t be “absurd” to not allow your kids to eat there.

    mark johnson (9dc48f)

  108. Jeb Bush’s PAC Right to Rise is airing ads attacking Trump, Cruz and Rubio. Now we know: All Bushes love negative campaigning. I think it’s because they don’t have much to offer so they need to make themselves look better by tearing down their opponents. It’s a middle school tactic the Bushes do very well.

    DRJ (15874d)

  109. Asked whether he would support an absurd proposal to ban Muslims from coming into the country

    Keep in mind that if so-called absurdity is somehow unique to a particular Republican during this particular time in US history, recall what occurred during the 1950s under the administration of Dwight Eisenhower. Not only did that president crack down on illegal immigration in a manner that would astonish Americans today in this culture where political correctness runs amok, in which “undocumented” immigrants were rounded up and forcibly removed to such a great degree and in such large numbers that even some US citizens of Mexican background got snagged in the process, but the very name of the program/policy behind that was the height of non-PC: “Operation Wetback.”

    From Operation Wetback to a Nidal-Hasan-Fort-Hood US military.

    Mark (74fce8)

  110. Policy differences are fine but “my opponent is reckless and dangerous” is an attack ad, pure and simple.

    DRJ (15874d)

  111. Let me clarify,
    a belief system that says with words”Jesus is Lord” and thinks forced adherence is good also has no place in a free society
    (but I think the NT in no way can be used to support such a claim).

    The forced adherence is what makes it unacceptable in a free society,
    The claim that another prophet supercedes Jesus makes it incompatible with Christian beliefs, but that is not an appropriate issue for the government to deal with
    (Either way, actually, it is not the job of Obama or anyone else in fed government to tell us what religious beliefs are compatible and which are not,
    Other than offering a personal opinion.)

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  112. But W. wouldn’t do that against the Dems

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  113. If you want to consider what an “open boarder” might do to a society, and if you’re wondering about Vietnam, you’ve answered your question. South Vietnam had no boarders. The North infiltrated through Laos and Cambodia at will. They built multilane roads to facilitate their travel thru those countries. And they brought arms in by small boat rather easily into the delta. After we pulled our military out, the South was reasonably successful in maintaining its integrity. But when the North attacked with conventional military formations, including armored battalions, and the D’s in Congress withheld arms we’d promised to the South, the end came quickly.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  114. The Bushes view governing as a profession with rules and manners, and politics as the no-rules, no-manners game that gets them there. For them, anything goes in politics but not in governing.

    DRJ (15874d)

  115. Maybe that’s right, but Obama certainly doesn’t see it that way and I’m not sure any liberal does now. It’s foolish to play by rules if your opponent won’t.

    DRJ (15874d)

  116. The claim that another prophet supercedes Jesus makes it incompatible with Christian beliefs, but that is not an appropriate issue for the government to deal with
    (Either way, actually, it is not the job of Obama or anyone else in fed government to tell us what religious beliefs are compatible and which are not,
    Other than offering a personal opinion.)

    I am not saying it is appropriate for the government to “deal” with any theological question. I state only that I believe many of you guys are mistaken a political question for a theological one. The moslems know we are confused to the point of near paralysis because we’re more afraid od hurting CAIR’s feelings and the ACLU than we are of them and their bombs and bullets. We look like a nation of Pajama Boys to them and they hate us for our weakness.

    Now for your question on Vietnam, MD in Philly. There is almost no way to tell a friendly from an enemy under those circumstances. We had a system of “pacification” under which we tried to weed out hostiles. It didn’t always work but few thing work 100%. But bear in mind we were in their country and we tried like hell to minimize friendly casualties. Today, they are in our country and they want to maximize friendly (to us) casualties. There were Viet Cong who wore no uniform(civilian clothes) which made it tricky. You will notice our moslem adversaries wear no uniform. That’s to confuse those among us who are too weak minded to understand the nature of the enemy. I call them democrat/socialists and squishy Republicans.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  117. 30. It’s not about territory, it’s about revenue producing assets, transportation routs, and population centers. Sparsely populated areas can easily be incorporated later without the need to commit resources to holding them now.

    ropelight (f4c022) — 12/7/2015 @ 7:54 pm

    No, ropelight, it is about holding territory. You need to hold territory to establish safe havens where you can train forces and develop the capabilities you’re going to need to go onto bigger and better things. Afghanistan had no revenue producing assets except opium poppies, which is the only thing that anyone can produce in Afghanistan that can be cost-effectively packed out of what is essentially a bowl surrounded by the tallest mountain ranges on earth.

    But that isn’t why Afghanistan was valuable to the AQ. Bin Laden was the financier, and his funds came from elsewhere. What AQ needed was training areas. And they still do. From October of this year:

    https://www.khaama.com/us-afghan-forces-destroy-al-qaeda-training-sites-in-kandahar-3987

    Afghan and U.S forces jointly destroyed the training sites of al-Qaeda in Shorabak District of southern Kandahar province.

    After months of intelligence gathering and planning, the operation began in the evening hours of Oct. 7 and ended on Oct 11 in which U.S. carried out 63 precision airstrikes while Afghan forces engaged in several battles on the ground against al-Qaeda networks at two related sites.

    …The assault team was comprised of more than 200 Afghan and U.S. servicemembers who navigated through difficult terrain and cleared two targeted areas. The first site, a well-established training camp, spanned approximately one square mile. The second site covered nearly 30 square miles.

    The second site was 30 square miles of AQ-controlled territory with numerous training facilities scattered about.

    You won’t read much if anything about it in the US press because the preezy is lying about a lot more than how great his policies are working in Syria and Iraq. The narrative is his policies are working like gangbusters in Afghanistan, too, and the press is carrying his water there as well.

    But back to the point, you need to control sparsely populated worthless territory if you’re going to train forces to take that revenue producing territory. Think 29 Palms, or Fallon NAS in Nevada where the airwing works up over the desert to prepare to deploy.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  118. My grandfather left Chicago in 1912 and enlisted in the Greek Army to fight against the Ottoman Empire in the Balkan Wars. Before WWI had reduced the Ottoman Empire to almost nothing. Greece won and doubled its territory and my grandfather got a cross for valor.

    My mother’s brother received three separate death sentences for “killing Communists”. He was a freelance sniper for the government death squads in the Greek Civil War 1945-1949. He was a death squad all by himself actually — he killed a lot of people and even the other government militiamen were afraid of him. (Although my mother insisted that his brother-in-law was in self-defense and he had an alibi for the schoolteacher. The eleven-year old boy was probably an honest mistake — it was dark and my uncle had been drinking.) His sentences were commuted by a new government; he served eleven years in prison and died in his 70s.

    Both of these men were the real thing and they were around when I was growing up, and my grandfather helped raise me. As were a lot of other neighbors and relatives who had lived through those same times. Not passages in books; not Hollywood movie characters; not news articles; and definitely not blog comments.

    And myself, I have a real problem. I cannot find the Victoria Secret Pink Bling v-neck tee in mint and white, or the boyfriend pants in embroidered charcoal, size extra-small, that she wants, either online or in the stores. I should have gotten her Santa list before Black Friday, I guess.

    nk (dbc370)

  119. the Americans of Japanese background who fought in Europe distinguished themselves and did more for the US than most of us.

    Oh, I know and hold them in high regard. Also, it is little known that we had Japanese speaking translators in the Pacific who were mostly Nisei officers.

    The whole internment thing was mostly hysteria from a lack of understanding that we were headed to war with Japan, plus the surprise attack at Pearl. I used to know a woman whose father had a produce stall in LA’s central market before the war. They were interned but the Anglo men who had other stalls in the market kept his place and returned it to them when they came back in 1942.

    It is not understood that the reaction to Germans in WWI was almost as vitriolic. In the midwest, Germans were numerous immigrants and my uncle has told me there were portraits of the Kaiser in Chicago schools before the war.

    Lincoln actually campaigned among German immigrants in the St Louis area in 1860 as they were a large and well organized constituency. A lot of the midwest was settled by Germans.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  120. Thanks Hoagie for your answer,
    and as I said, yes, it is fundamentally different when in Vietnam the mix of friendlies and hostiles were in their own country,
    not trying to decide between friendlies and hostiles “imported” here when they don’t need to be.

    I am trying to recognize the fundamental theological question and the political response at the same time, as they are distinct things,
    I don’t know if we are talking past each other or what

    Yes, I know that “violent jihadists” are not a small minority of “Muslims”, and I know they can easily justify their interpretation of the Koran and Haddiths, I know that,
    and I think you know, Hoagie and others,
    that not every self-identified “Muslim” sees it that way, which is why some of them are killed by ISIS and others as well.

    I think the US has the right to refuse admission to people who will not honor the US Constitution, it is not a suicide pact as said
    how to implement that in a free society, especially for people who are US citizens and already here, is a question that I do not know the answer to
    I do know the answer for a 25 yo Muslim male from Syria who is sitting in Turkey- “No, you can’t come in”.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  121. nk,
    are you talking about things your daughter wants for Christmas…

    if asked, I think I will tell my daughter that I will not buy hee something from a catalog she would be embarrassed for me to look at…

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  122. 90. …People did not understand that and everyone has forgotten about The Niihau incident, where Japanese workers joined a crash landed Zero pilot in attacking white residents. That was probably influential with military and government officials who knew of it.

    The Trump proposal has nothing to do with the situation of Jewish refugees in 1940.

    Mike K (90dfdc) — 12/8/2015 @ 6:42 am

    Well, not everyone has forgotten. I was going to mention it yesterday for two reasons. One, because it was the 74th anniversary of Pearl Harbor and I didn’t believe it should go entirely unmentioned. Two, because of the parallels to today. The LHMFM is going on and on about the All-American (c) Syed Farooq and his innocent bride living the American Dream ™ in their lovely So-Cal townhouse with his nice government job and his new baby.

    How could this happen!

    They were struggling with the same question in late 1941/ 1942 because of incidents like Niihau, when legal residents and US citizens turned against their close neighbors (native Hawaiians, not Whites) within hours. That didn’t just shock the civil and military authorities, all of whom who needed to know knew, but their neighbors. The Hawaiians of Niihau couldn’t believe that their neighbors who had lived with them in close association for years had turned against them, murderously so, within hours when a single downed Japanese airman played on their ethnic identity and loyalties.

    The population and the government rapidly concluded that it was impossible to tell which Japanese resident or American citizen of Japanese descent would turn against their country. Because the ones who had on Niihau had ever given anybody any reason to question their loyalty to the US. Until they turned against not just the government but against their neighbors.

    People are asking the same question now, and the mystified LHMFM and its ideological inability to see what’s right before their eyes is unwittingly emphasizing that fact by insisting the husband (at least) was just a typical red-blooded American. Well, if this typical red-blooded American could be operationalized (radicalized is really the wrong word) and go juramentado (as the Filipino Muslims would put it) then any typical “red-blooded American Muslim” can, too. Just like those ethnic Japanese on Niihau.

    This isn’t just an American problem, BTW. There have been Israeli Jews who lived among the Muslims in the West Bank and formerly Gaza killed by neighbors they knew their entire lives. They simply refused to believe these Muslims, with whom they had visited each others homes, shared meals together, worked together, would kill them. No matter what else was going on, they believed they knew these particular Muslims too well and that their friendship was too close to mistrust them. Which was exactly the attitude of the Niihau Hawaiians; but they only suffered severe shock. Their Japanese neighbors didn’t manage to kill them, unlike the Israelis’ Muslim neighbors.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  123. Christian friends from Pakistan said that when push came to shove they would have never trusted Muslim neighbors who had been friends for years to help them.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  124. 117. …Oh, I know and hold them in high regard. Also, it is little known that we had Japanese speaking translators in the Pacific who were mostly Nisei officers…

    Mike K (90dfdc) — 12/8/2015 @ 10:47 am

    When the Yorktown limped into Pearl Harbor after the Battle of the Coral Sea the engineers told Nimitz it would take three months to repair the damage. But the Battle of Midway was already shaping up, so instead of three months the ship repair facility turned the Yorktown around and got her underway in three days.

    Many ost of the ship repair facility workers who accomplished that herculean feat were descendants of Japanese immigrants.

    They were patriots, too, and their deeds need to be remembered as well as those who wore the uniform.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  125. 121. Christian friends from Pakistan said that when push came to shove they would have never trusted Muslim neighbors who had been friends for years to help them.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 12/8/2015 @ 11:33 am

    Christians as well as Yazidis and other religious minorities all over the M.E., and indeed elsewhere in the world where their neighbors are mostly Muslim, have learned the same lesson in blood.

    And there’s a reason for it.

    Quran 3:28 Ali Imran (Family of Imran)

    Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.

    Anybody who chooses to protect their Christian neighbors against a Muslim mob has apostacized. So when push comes to shove even their closest Muslim friends will turn against them.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  126. Speaking to Steve57’s point in #115. A while back a friend asked me why so many of the moslems were settling out in the Midwest. “There’s nothin’ there”, he said. I said “Exactly!”, great place to train, assemble and send recruits. Nobody’s watching.

    You guys are underestimating the moslems. They are bloodthirsty, murderous bigots who execute all with whom they disagree on religion but they aren’t stupid. Their infiltrators, or Fifth Column if you like, are killing Americans and all our people do is worry and fret over the rights of the people doing the killing. This is not a crime folks, it’s a war.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  127. No, Hoagie. You are confusing Muslims with Islam. Although most American Muslims wouldn’t think of putting it this way, they or their family left the old country to escape Islam. They aren’t the problem.

    Unfortunately one of the downsides to the internet is they can’t escape Islam no matter how much physical distance they put between them and it.

    Steve57 (55cd1d)

  128. Hoagie, I am not underestimating them,
    but I know they are not 100% monolithic.

    I do not know how to deal with the policy problem we have,
    and I know there are plenty more around as the killers in Cali.
    But I will not condemn every “so-called Muslim” equally.

    And even some of the would-be killers are not beyond redemption, but that is not a basis for governmental policy, but personal prayer and reflection.
    Sort of like Saul of Tarsus.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  129. What Steve57 said,
    but as Hoagie said, yea, the problem is more than “a few”
    it’s how many more we disagree.

    But I do think those in the Muslim community who want to stay here and enjoy our freedoms would help themselves by demonstrating they are against violence,
    and if they will not,
    then they are giving reason for suspicion.

    Life requires courage,
    often more than I’ve had to display so far, I admit.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  130. Patterico said: “That said, I’ll take Cruz’s rejection of the silly idea over others’ support of it.”

    You’re still castigating one form of discrimination (religious) while endorsing another (national origin). Both violate the language and principle of anti-discrimination laws. Both violate “who we are”. Yet you say one form is acceptable, but the other is unacceptable? LOL That’s the point.

    School Marm (f96753)

  131. “Now, how would Trump define Muslim? Attends Muslims religious services? Two parents who were Muslims? One parent? One grandparent? One great-grandparent?”

    – nk

    “Doesn’t praise Trump,” of course. Eventually. Right now he’s just gathering his useful idiots behind him.

    Leviticus (881fe0)

  132. The Point is that Islamic terrorists are actively plotting to kill US citizens right here in our homeland, and it’s stupid belief, insane in fact, suicidal, to welcome them among us. Like it or not them’s the facts, ignore them at your peril if you must but don’t criticize others who have better sense.

    ropelight (42d4f7)

  133. School Marm, please enlighten us. What “anti-discrimination” laws restrict Congress power to regulate immigration?

    Steve57 (55cd1d)

  134. “That said, I’ll take Cruz’s rejection of the silly idea over others’ support of it.”

    Cruz has been very quiet and avoided the attacks on Trump. He qualified the suggestion without much heat.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  135. Steve, since the School Marm is likely busy with Teacher’s Union business – she’s had 30 minutes to get back to you, I’ll have a go. A snarky one.

    The anti-discrimination laws which restrict the power of Congress to regulate immigration are the ones Democrats recognize as the situation requires, their penumbra emanates from enlightened portions of the 14th amendment’s ‘equal protection’ clause and are only fully visible to specific senile leftist members of the Supreme Court, although certain high ranking Democrat Congressional leaders can sense their presence (identifiable by an high eye blink rate), while committed members of the drive-by media often get a tingling feeling similar to the one they usually get when pulling the public’s leg.

    ropelight (42d4f7)

  136. School Marm, I take it that among other things you don’t knpw is that the settled “law of the land” requires the State Department to apply what Prom Queen mendaciously denounces as a religious test, and then to discriminate on the basis of religion. It’s called the Lautenberg Amendment, sometimes known as the Religious Freedom Act. It has been the law for about a quarter century and has been reathorized by every administration since it was enacted including this current one.

    It requires that persecuted religious minorities go to the head of the line when it comes to priority for refugee status. The left which wouldn’t know an American value if one bit them on the @$$ call this unamerican. No, discriminating in favor of the persecuted is the most American of values. Which is why we need this law. So the anti-American progressive left can’t repeat the same shameful acts perpetrated by FDR when he turned away the Jews.

    It should come as no surprise that Tiger Beat is flagrantly violating this law secure in the knowledge his base is just as ignorant of and hostile to actual American values as he is.

    Steve57 (55cd1d)

  137. 125.No, Hoagie. You are confusing Muslims with Islam.

    Well Steve57, if that is some sort of confusion it is the Moslems and Islamists who have caused it, not me. It’s like being Flemish and living in Holland with the Dutch. Whaaaaa? Pick one!

    So which religion is blowing things up, the moslems or Islamics?
    Which believes in Allah, the moslems or the Islamics?
    Who executes Christians, throws gays off buildings and mutilates females, moslems or Islamic?

    Need I go on? Because at this point I really can’t see a lick of difference between the two. It’d be like Custer trying to decide who’s shooting at him a Lakota Sioux or Northern Cheyenne.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  138. Oh, and most importantly, which is actively at war with us and has 1.6 billion adherents worldwide?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  139. OT: Cruz is holding a hearing of his subcommittee today on the subject of Data or Dogma. You can listen to it right now, but it is an exercise in frustration. Each Democrat spends all his time repeating the discredited “97% of all scientists … yada, yada” statistic, completely unaware the study that fabricated this number has been thoroughly discredited, and then ask why would a committee which is supposed to deal with science even host such a hearing. I hope this provides Cruz with a more detailed knowledge of the narrative and its extensions that will be put forth by these fools on such subjects, and I commend him for his patience. But it is not good television. It’s like watching a heard of medieval geographers declare the earth is flat, over and over and over and over.

    Some of the participating witnesses have submitted their testimony and it is available in pdf format at the bottom of the link. The Democrats appear to be completely unaware of ClimateGate, the pause, or anything at all that deviates from their storybook.

    Our knowledge of the Piltdown hoax is based on written records, and it doesn’t really expose the extent to which the academic world was taken in. Future historians, assuming we can preserve our Constitutional Rights, will have a field day with all the vidoes of all these fools on the left repeating “97%” like Pavlov’s dogs.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  140. I have observed in my life, BobStewartatHome, leftists are nothing if not completely programmable with a catchy phrase. Just as they are with phony numbers and statistics. God bless them, they’re so stupid.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  141. Cruz said he doesn’t support Trump’s policy to exclude all Muslims but he does support excluding refugees from war zones, such as Syria and Iraq. Cruz has also declined to comment on the constitutionality of Trump’s policy. Kudos to Cruz.

    There is no point to arguing over constitutionality in the political arena. Constitutionality is a judicial issue, and the Supreme Court has shown it’s willing to reject established law whenever it pleases. To discuss this in the political arena is political suicide that won’t help his chances. Running for President is not supposed to be about killing your own chance to win.

    DRJ (15874d)

  142. I must say, if I didn’t know better,
    I would probably be influenced every time a new “hottest whatever” is declared in the news per NASA.
    I think I saw where it was supposed to be the hottest October evah worldwide.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  143. Hey, at the link you can get the testimony including by Steyn…
    I wonder if Cruz invited Mann…

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  144. I have had nine dentists, and the one I have now is the hottest ever. It eases the pain of the wallet extraction.
    Dentist: You haven’t seen a dentist in a while, have you?
    Patient: How can you tell? Are my teeth that bad?
    Dentist: No, I saw all that cash in your pocket.

    nk (dbc370)

  145. Kudos to Cruz.

    He’s the class act of the Republican candidates. Or, at the very least, he’s tactically very sensible, which along with his ideological orientation, makes him a two-fer.

    Mark (74fce8)

  146. I have a new post about the media’s desire to force Cruz to engage in ritual denunciation. I am glad he won’t.

    Patterico (86c8ed)


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