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12/7/2015

Photo: A Killer That Obama Let Into the U.S.

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:47 am



ABC News has a photo of “vetted” visa holder Tashfeen Malik entering the country with Syed Farook.

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As we consider whether to bring in 10,000 Syrian refugees next fiscal year — not all “widows and orphans” despite what our Liar in Chief would have you believe — let’s keep this photo in mind. It is the photo of two mass murderers, one of whom we could have kept out of our country. (And another of whom was talking to terrorists overseas. Why do we have that surveillance again?)

Also keep in mind that 13% of Syrian refugees entering Europe are sympathetic to ISIS. Out of 10,000 people, that’s 1300.

Barack Obama let in Tashfeen Malik. How many more killers will he insist we bring within our border?

UPDATE: I’m just going to say, for the record, that I don’t approve of talk that suggests all Muslims are terrorists or should be killed. I know Muslims who are peaceful and upstanding members of American society. I want those people to know that I stand with them, without reservation.

I just felt that needed to be said.

69 Responses to “Photo: A Killer That Obama Let Into the U.S.”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. Is it just me? Or does the woman in the picture above look like a different person from the ‘Berdo shooter?

    ropelight (f4c022)

  3. Obama said we will defeat Isil/Isis through gun bans and fighting Islamophobia.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  4. Just remember that the NSA metadata is an evil denial of rights for innocent Americans and thier foreign born family. Yet, we can and must let those same family members in because they have been vetted by foreign countries intelligence processes. We must use the terror watch list to deny rights to native Americans including free speech and the rights to arms and the right to due process.

    Charles (20b98f)

  5. So, which of Obama’s minions has the authority to put names on the watch list? Those bureaucrats would have the power to deny citizens their 2nd amendment rights. That’s not the American Way.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  6. Liar in chief? That’s pretty harsh (albeit accurate) Mr. Frey.

    Comanche Voter (1d5c8b)

  7. Is it just me? Or does the woman in the picture above look like a different person from the ‘Berdo shooter?

    ropelight (f4c022) — 12/7/2015 @ 7:53 am

    The women in the other photo doesn’t have her Hajib pulled as tightly around her face. It makes this ones face look thinner. And also she hadn’t put on all the pregnancy weight yet.

    Mike Giles (3dc5b9)

  8. While 13% are sympathetic to ISIS, we can expect that even larger numbers will be sympathetic to Sharia, and to our enemies including Iran, and even greater numbers will be sympathetic to Hamas and the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood. It is insanity that Europe and the US have let so many in already (unless, like Obama, you have sympathies for their sympathies)

    Barry (2e2700)

  9. #7, MG, I’m sill not convinced. The shooter’s nose is not quite as wide, the mole on her nose is prominent, her eyes are a bit narrower, her right jaw looks pockmarked, and her chin and face look more rounded.

    I don’t put anything past Obama’s henchmen nor am I willing to accept anything they’re involved in at face value. I don’t trust them at all and have every reason to do so.

    ropelight (f4c022)

  10. You can see the joy in their eyes, as they arrive in the Land of Plenty… plenty of infidels to murder

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  11. Yup, just an All-American (c) returning from abroad.

    Meanwhile, authorities, press, continue searching for the proximate cause of this killing spree, but are leaning toward “the Jew at work.”

    Steve57 (a13395)

  12. I have read that Obama fast-tracked the spouse visa program in 2009, making it much easier for them to get in.

    Why, I do not know, maybe to let in gay spouses, or …. he just fundamental transformation of our horrid white privilege.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  13. i hate terrorist refugees so much if I see one i give them this look what says don’t talk to me you make me sick

    i can’t even deal with them

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  14. From Free Republic:

    Egyptian TV Host on California Terror Attack: Americans Should Stick Obama on an Impalement Rod

    MEMRI TV ^ | 12-5-15 | Sada Al-Balad (Egypt)
    Posted on 12/7/2015, 11:56:56 AM by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

    Egyptian TV host Ahmed Moussa said, in response to the December 2 San Bernardino terror attack, that he suspected that U.S. President Obama was “connected to the terrorists who carried out the attack,” and added: “They should take Obama and stick him on an impalement rod. This is what they would do in a respectful country.”

    Following are excerpts from Moussa’s address, which aired on the Egyptian Sada Al-Balad TV channel on December 5, 2015.

    Ahmad Moussa: You should beware not to raise a lion, or it will devour you. You should never think that… It was America that raised and funded terrorism. We’ve said to them a hundred times, a million times, and we are still saying: America will pay the price in a way it cannot even imagine. Obama the liar, the ally of the terrorists… I call him a liar. He’s a liar! He is the ally of the terrorists. This Obama deserves to stand trial. If the American people…

    By the way, the American people is our friend. We are not against the American people, who are very respectful. They love Egypt very much. They teach Egyptian Pharaonic history in their schools. We have no problem whatsoever with the American people. But I would like the Congress to send Obama to the guillotine, because three days before the [San Bernardino] terror attack… The attack was on Wednesday. On Tuesday or on Monday, he appeared and lied, like he always does, that liar. All the allies of terrorism are liars. He said: “There is no threat to American citizens.” It is as if he was trying to cover…

    Today, I suspect that Obama is connected to the terrorists who carried out the attack. When he says something like this, he numbs the security agencies, the military, and the intelligence agencies.

    […]

    If this had happened in a respectful country, Obama would have been placed on trial. The U.S. Congress should ask: How come you said that according to your information, no terrorist attack was imminent? [Obama said]: Our intelligence agencies have no information or real threats against citizens on our soil. Less than 72 hours later, a terror attack took place. Yes, today you concluded that it was [terrorism], on the basis of information and surveillance. What is the worthy punishment? He should be sat on impalement rod. This what they would do in a respectful country.

    […]

    If Obama had any courage and dignity – which he has not – he would have said: I resign today to face trial. That is how it is done in respectful countries…

    ropelight (f4c022)

  15. We shouldn’t have to deal with them, happyfeet.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  16. Let me get this straight. The dumbass Finns want universal welfare and I’m in total agreement with an Egyptian. I went to sleep last night and the world turned upside down.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  17. The most recent photo of the female terrorist.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVn7T2oUAAAoZ_n.jpg:large

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  18. Is it just me? Or does the woman in the picture above look like a different person from the ‘Berdo shooter?

    There was a photo circulating a few days ago of a rather attractive, more Anglo-Euro-looking woman dressed in what to me looked more like an Indian sari than an Islamic chador shown standing next to Farook, presumably at the party. If that’s the image everyone is referring to, there’s no way could that person and the person in the current image are one and the same.

    Mark (74fce8)

  19. I don’t mind Barry allowing all these potential terrorists into the US just as long as they’re directed and escorted straight to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and kept in a holding pen there. If they have bombs and guns hidden with their other luggage, tough luck, Barry.

    Mark (74fce8)

  20. “Is it just me? Or does the woman in the picture above look like a different person from the ‘Berdo shooter?”

    This was taken before the joy of motherhood and her discovery of the new freedoms she would be gifted with that are denied her by Islam

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  21. With a song in her heart and heinous acts in her mind…

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  22. Whoah of Babylon and on

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  23. Well,
    It appears that they have freedom of speech in Egypt.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  24. The NSA metadata collection program is one of those things that has both a good side and a bad side. The benefit, if the data is used aggressively for the purposes that were attributed to the program, would be that these two murderers might have been discovered via their phone conversations with a previously identified network of jihadists or jihadist enablers. If so, a modest investigation might then have uncovered the illegal arms and explosives in time to prevent the massacre. The bad side is, of course, that an unprincipled administration could use the data to blackmail or otherwise intimidate their political enemies. If you think this is paranoid concern, just think back to use made by Baghdad Jim of the product of a illegal Democrat cell phone scanning project in Florida to embarrass Newt. This kind of abuse isn’t even unusual for Democrats.

    But the situation is more serious than a mere speculation based on past MOs. Consider, there is nothing to say that the data couldn’t be used for both purposes. But the level of political support for the program suggests that at least one of these purposes must have been fulfilled. After San Bernardino, we may now infer that NSA wasn’t looking very hard for potential jihadists. That leaves just one possibility. Is it unreasonable to suspect that Boehner may have left for a reason? And what might we reasonably fear with respect to his replacement, Speaker Ryan? Worse yet, the NSA might not be the party responsible for such abuse. Can we really rule out hacking into the database by outside groups, especially if those groups have routine access to the NSA facility? Sandy Berger wasn’t above destroying public records that likely confirmed Clinton’s wrong doing, and he did it because he had access to the archives. A knowledge of the architecture and safe guards employed to protect the NSA’s database would be very helpful to potential hackers.

    I just received notice that my personal information has been acquired by whomever hacked into the government’s database. And I seem to recall a bit of a problem launching the ObamaCare website which was later found to be rather insecure. So we have some indication that those who manage our government’s IT resources are deficient compared to the industry standards. It is reasonable to suspect some abuse of the NSA data, if not by the NSA, then by someone close to it.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  25. Can you not see the glint of Dreamers in their eyes, their hopes and dreams of America, their warm embrace of our values-WHO WE ARE!-, the vibrant diversity they added to their new homeland?

    Nah, me neither.

    Bugg (db3a97)

  26. That could be true, Bob, but what I see as the main problem is that the FBI and ordinary people too are loath to report any suspicious activity for fear of “racism,” whether they discover meta data or terrorists walking around or working (Hassan, Tsarnaev, Farook).

    Every one of our attackers, from 9/11 on, was recognized as suspicious by someone, but that someone felt guilty for such a thought. So we don’t need NSA snooping, we need to restore faith in the American people.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  27. It is the photo of two mass murderers, one of whom we could have kept out of our country.

    If we turn away Farook’s Pakistani parents, then we keep both mass murderers out of our country. But that would have been wrong, because Hitler.

    scrutineer (b7d257)

  28. Looks like she shot a selfie.

    AZ Bob (7d2a2c)

  29. These Farook fuqs had 19 pipe bombs in their possession and mom appears to be a sympathizer.

    Colonel Haiku (2225ab)

  30. A week ago I told a liberal acquaintance that we are ordered to love these creatures while they are encouraged to hate us. He replied, “Yes we should love everybody and let them in this country.”

    DN (84d11d)

  31. Rev. Hoagie @16, you’d be amazed how often you would be in total agreement with many Egyptians. Here’s how a panel of commentators, including a retired General, reacted to Obama’s graduation speech at the Coast Guard Academy last May.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXodRLLkth4

    Prom Queen is exactly the wrong guy to be preaching to us about how to respect Muslims. The Egyptians along with most other Arabs know full well the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. As is CAIR, the front-group the MB created in the US to muddy the waters when it comes to Islamic terrorism, and advance their interests, which is why the FBI is still (or was until just a few years ago) defending their decision to name CAIR as an unindicted coconspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror funding trial and countries like Qatar have designated CAIR a terrorist organization.

    And consequently the Egyptians have been saying ever since the “Arab Spring” that the Obama administration is on the side of terrorists. Because they were so in the tank for the MB. Just as now the Iraqis are convinced this administration is on the side of terrorists, in the form of ISIS, due to their refusal to actually take any meaningful action against ISIS.

    These Muslims have just as much contempt for TFG as you and I, and they’re amazed, confused, and disappointed we haven’t kicked him to the curb yet.

    I have a huge problem with Islam. But there are millions of perfectly sane, reasonable Muslims you’d find a lot of common ground with. They’re a lot less radical than their religious leaders, that’s for sure, which is why the Egyptian president al-Sisi tore into the religious leaders for their violent preaching.

    I’m pessimistic about the chances al-Sissi and like-minded Muslims have of reforming their religion, but I have absolutely no problem with them and wish them well. You should, too, Hoagie.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  32. The best thing we could do to assist al-Sissi and his allies would be to create a metaphorical anvil for his hammer. Basically accept no muslims as refugees, do nothing for muslim countries that wasn’t specifically in our strategic interest, and deny hostile muslim regimes all forms of modern technology, including financial and medical services. Deny visas to their precious little princelets on a one strike and you’re gone basis, and strikes in European countries count. Deny student visa to anyone from a hostile muslim regime, including, of course, the PLO, and give such visas only to those students who are vetted by an allied Muslim government.

    Liberals seem to think that there is some magical osmotic process that will change the hearts and minds of islamic terrorists simply by exposure to our material wealth or to our morally challenged universities with their nonsensical curricula for infantile young adults. I suspect the opposite is the case. Our affluence, our indifference to almost all aspects of political engagement, and our moral weakness probably just enrages them. And whets their appetite for pillage.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  33. 32. …Liberals seem to think that there is some magical osmotic process that will change the hearts and minds of islamic terrorists simply by exposure to our material wealth or to our morally challenged universities with their nonsensical curricula for infantile young adults. I suspect the opposite is the case.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 12/7/2015 @ 2:21 pm

    You are correct; the fact that our supposed leaders aren’t the least bit embarrassed about putting their moral and intellectual bankruptcy on public display simply convinces them we can easily be invaded, conquered, and pillaged. Exposing Muslims to our material wealth convinces them we are worth pillaging.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  34. I have a huge problem with Islam. But there are millions of perfectly sane, reasonable Muslims you’d find a lot of common ground with. They’re a lot less radical than their religious leaders, that’s for sure, which is why the Egyptian president al-Sisi tore into the religious leaders for their violent preaching.

    I understand and can appreciate what you’re saying Steve57, but until moslems wear a scarlet “T” on their forehead for “terrorist” we have no way of knowing who the less radical are. Seems most war crazed and power mad groups are not usually as radical as their leaders. Hell, were the German people as radical as Hitler or Goebbels? Were the Russians as whacko as Stalin or Lenin? Typically it’s the leaders who create the radicalism, the others just die for it.

    I’m pessimistic about the chances al-Sissi and like-minded Muslims have of reforming their religion, but I have absolutely no problem with them and wish them well. You should, too, Hoagie.

    Since al-Sissi has very little chance of causing a radical reformation of Islam I maintain they have no business here until they do. For the record I have known a few moslems in my life none particularly devoutly religious and none who voiced anything but contempt for America and Americans. Not outright hostility mind you, but a slow, low boiling contempt. IOW, never anything good to say about us.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  35. BTW, if I were in charge there is no damn way a couple that looked like these two in the above photo would not step one foot in this country. Period.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  36. 10.You can see the joy in their eyes, as they arrive in the Land of Plenty… plenty of infidels to murder
    Colonel Haiku (2225ab) — 12/7/2015 @ 8:54 am

    To be fair, I probably look like that after a long flight and facing the prospect of a useless encounter with a government drone – when all I want to do is sleep horizontally. The last trip was from India. Five screenings in three airports over 30 hours.

    David (099e1f)

  37. Not outright hostility mind you, but a slow, low boiling contempt. IOW, never anything good to say about us.
    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/7/2015 @ 3:03 pm

    I second that. I worked for moslems when i was a young man and I can attest to the low-boiling hatred for all that was uniquely American. Like respect for women as being your equal. Another thing was their contempt for simple honesty. They thought us chumps for not actively practicing guile.

    Years later, I saw this hatred turn into jubilation during the attack of 9/11. A colleague (a Moslem) turned to me and said with great pride “You see how many or yours one of ours can kill?” I said nothing.

    felipe (56556d)

  38. To be fair, David, I know the kind of government drone I’d like to introduce them to:).

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  39. The eyebrows are the same kind of messed up–but the eyes look farther apart here–maybe it’s the angle.

    Danube River Guide (76b104)

  40. It appears that they have freedom of speech in Egypt.

    Old joke from the Soviet days:

    An American and a Russian were talking, and the American says “In America we have complete freedom of speech. I can walk right into the White House and declare that ‘Nixon is a bastard’ and nothing at all will happen to me.” The Russian says “Big deal; I too can go to the Kremlin and declare that ‘Nixon is a bastard’ and nothing will happen to me!”

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  41. Steve,

    our supposed leaders aren’t the least bit embarrassed about putting their moral and intellectual bankruptcy on public display

    I used to wondered how a patriotic Frenchman must have felt in 1938 as he watched his country get flushed down the toilet. And then again in early June 1940 as the French air farce pulled out of France and fled to Morocco, causing the government to plead with Britain to commit it’s home defense reserve squadrons to fill the void left by the disappearing French squadrons.

    No longer.

    But what to do?

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  42. In other words, that TV host would not be able to talk like that about Sisi. But an American TV host could say the same thing about 0bama, and the worst that would happen is that he would lose his job, and the Secret Service might politely check to make sure he hadn’t recently bought an impaling rod and a one-way ticket to Washington.

    Milhouse (8489b1)

  43. I think he’d do better with 4″ diameter treated fence post, a post hole digger, and a very sharp machete. But this is based on Bridge on the Drina from a long time ago.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  44. BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 12/7/2015 @ 11:37 am

    The benefit, if the data is used aggressively for the purposes that were attributed to the program, would be that these two murderers might have been discovered via their phone conversations with a previously identified network of jihadists or jihadist enablers. If so, a modest investigation might then have uncovered the illegal arms and explosives in time to prevent the massacre.

    The scandal is, that they hardly ever queried the database.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/nsa-queries-phone-data-2013-report

    NSA queried phone records of just 248 people despite massive data sweep Transparency report reveals agency performed queries on 248 people in 2013, despite collecting data on millions of Americans

    It could have been discovered what they were. They didn’t do it on Day 1. There was plenty of time. It might even have been discovered before the marriage.

    Now you have people trying to say that there was nothing to discover, or that their associations weren’t important, because they were ISIS, and these people they were in contact with are al Qaeda.

    Now But theres an important point to mention. Terrorists and criminals don’t get caught because there is something they can do but they think that they can’t. That merely slows them down.

    They get caught because there is something they think they can do that in fact they can’t without getting detected. The clues are never left behind on purpose. Which means really, this database should not be used for the detection of minor crimes.

    After San Bernardino, we may now infer that NSA wasn’t looking very hard for potential jihadists.

    Yes, but I knew that anyway. You could tell that by reading the newspapers.

    There’s an important point to mention here. Terrorists and criminals don’t get caught because there is something they can do but they think that they can’t. That merely slows them down.

    They get caught because there is something they think they can do that in fact they can’t without getting detected. (Clues, after all, are never left behind on purpose.)

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  45. That leaves just one possibility. Is it unreasonable to suspect that Boehner may have left for a reason?

    He was tired of fighting, and he got religion. He had really wanted to retire with the 2014 election. He was 65 in November, 2014. But Eric Cantor’s defeat in a primary early in the election season convinced him to stay on because he thought there’d be too much chaos, or because things would go in a way he didn’t want politically.

    Sandy Berger wasn’t above destroying public records that likely confirmed Clinton’s wrong doing,

    I believe that’s correct, and most or all of of that was done before Clinton left office, but what he was caught at (after coming under suspicion already at the National Archives) was taking away some (copies of) records (the very copies that were going to go to the 9/11 commission) that would have refuted a fairy tale Clinton had concocted about how he prevented the millenium bombing plot from being carried out.

    This was the Millenium bombing after action report.

    Clinton and Berger were claiming that Clinton had called an alert. The truth was an Customs inspector notieced someone at the Canadian brder was very nervos and so she searched his car. They thought they could get somthing across the border but they coudn’t. The terrorists probably became afraid that Ressem might have given away the entire plot (although he didn’t) so they called the whole thing off. The official position of the U.S. government, I think, is that there wasn’t any more, but that is hard to believe.

    Never again, till today’s day, even, was there an attempt by terrorists to smuggle explosives or weapons into the United States. I guess that goes into the category of thinking they can’t do something that they can. As I said, that only delays them. Thinking that they can do something that they can’t destroys them.

    suspect some abuse of the NSA data, if not by the NSA, then by someone close to it.

    In fact it has happened, and some people have been disciplined.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  46. I think there will be more attacks in or near San Bernadino soon.

    I suspect there was a larger cell. LEO took down two of them, and got one arms cache/bomb factory. The others may have gotten away, and may have caches and factories yet undiscovered. Who knows what evidence was lost/removed/destroyed as the MSM sauntered through the crime scene.

    This was too well funded to be a lone-wolf operation. There are almost certainly others in their cell still out there. Looking for opportunities to strike. It’s what serpents do.

    WarEagle82 (44dbd0)

  47. UPDATE: I’m just going to say, for the record, that I don’t approve of talk that suggests all Muslims are terrorists or should be killed. I know Muslims who are peaceful and upstanding members of American society. I want those people to know that I stand with them, without reservation.

    I just felt that needed to be said.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  48. 45. …This was too well funded to be a lone-wolf operation…

    WarEagle82 (44dbd0) — 12/7/2015 @ 5:29 pm

    With all due respect, since two terrorists were involved by definition it’s not a lone-wolf operation.

    I agree with the basic premise, especially given the reports that neighbors saw many middle-eastern men at the Farooq’s place late at night with packages (still not clear if they were dropping off or picking up maybe both).

    Steve57 (a13395)

  49. And no, I received no communication that prompted me to say that. I just wanted to say it, because I see talk on these comment threads at times that seems very inconsistent with what I just said. I want people to know they are free to speak their mind, within limits — but that does not mean I always agree.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  50. it’s a small cell operation, so far like the koauchi’s last spring, or the tsarnaev’s two years earlier, however, they likely had support personnel

    narciso (732bc0)

  51. WarEagle82 (44dbd0) — 12/7/2015 @ 5:29 pm

    I suspect there was a larger cell. LEO took down two of them, and got one arms cache/bomb factory. The others may have gotten away, and may have caches and factories yet undiscovered. Who knows what evidence was lost/removed/destroyed as the MSM sauntered through the crime scene.

    This was too well funded to be a lone-wolf operation. There are almost certainly others in their cell still out there. Looking for opportunities to strike. It’s what serpents do.

    I thought about that, but, especially as nothing more happens, I think there may have been only one arms cache, and that Syed Farook and his wife were the leaders of the cell, so the others, if any, and there were supposed to be three shooters in first reports, are wandering around lost, or perhaps have gone to the location of another cell. Maybe out of state. Maybe in Texas.

    As for the msm, would you rather have te llandlord just called a junk removal company?

    of course, the FBI is trying to retrace all their steps.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  52. I meant to add that there is some evidence that this operation was funded from IS sources overseas.

    Which if true means like just about everything that comes out of his mouth, a lot of Prom Queen’s Oval Office address is going to be proven false in very short order.

    You’d think they’d work harder on their lies. Instead the Freshman dorm administration seems to think all they need to do is spit out lies that won’t hold up longer than one 24 hour news cycle.

    It used to be they were right.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  53. I just felt that needed to be said.

    In the context of America over 50 years ago, such as during the so-called “white-bread” 1950s, your reminder and sentiment would have been necessary and fitting. But today? In the absurdly, ludicrously politically correct era of Obama’s America? In this era of a Nidal-Hasan-ized US military? Pffft.

    Mark (74fce8)

  54. it’s a fair bet:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TomDickson/status/674032514080464896

    but it’s striking how so many ‘experts’ seem to ignore event in Paris just last spring, or Boston, or Madrid and London a decade ago,

    narciso (732bc0)

  55. 53. Steve57 (a13395) — 12/7/2015 @ 5:57 pm

    I meant to add that there is some evidence that this operation was funded from IS sources overseas.

    Overseas, yes.

    IS now.

    The evidence almost certainly points to al qaeda, or what people would say is al Qaeda.

    You’d think they’d work harder on their lies. Instead the Freshman dorm administration seems to think all they need to do is spit out lies that won’t hold up longer than one 24 hour news cycle. It’s not so much lies as it is delusions, and hope, and disformation.

    It used to be they were right.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  56. * IS no I meant.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  57. #46: Patterico,

    Let’s see, I went to Jr. High School with a fellow named Sirhan Sirhan. My mother sympathized with the difficulties his family must be having, as she was a legal immigrant from the Ukraine 35 years before. So she arranged for us to visit Sirhan one evening. I don’t remember anything about that visit except the approximate location of his house, but we never went back and Mom didn’t like to talk about it. A page from my 7th grade yearbook appeared on the cover of a national magazine about 11 years later, with Sirhan front and center.

    Let’s see, I spent 3 months sharing office space with two 30 year old Palestinians who had received their Masters degrees in business and economics from two main-line universities. If osmosis worked, these guys would have been perfect specimens to illustrate the process. But that wasn’t to be. When we talked about the world, all they could contribute was their belief that American pilots had flown Israeli’s planes in the ’73 war, and Jews couldn’t possibly defeat the Arabs without massive outside help. I may have mentioned the attack on the Liberty, but that wouldn’t have pierced their indoctrination. Both had blonde, bimbo girl friends, and both drank. But that was what you did when you were living amongst infidels on very generous stipends from OPEC.

    These are just personal anecdotes that you may dismiss. I have others but they can also be dismissed. That’s why I try to focus or written history, or today an influential novel, which I’ve tried to share.

    My concern isn’t about individuals. If an individual wants to learn about America, the Magna Carte, the Civil War, if that individual rejects slavery and treating women as chattel, then we have something in common, and I would welcome him or her. I don’t know any such adults, although I have coached some young women who wished to integrate into our society. But I will take your word that there are a number of upstanding members of society who qualify on these grounds, and it doesn’t surprise me. America is a land of immigrants. But if this person’s focus is primarily on bringing shriah to the U. S., then we have nothing to talk about. And I would not encourage such a person to immigrate to this country, nor should they be accepted as students on visas.

    And I have never suggested that anyone should take unprovoked action against the muslims in this country. I do believe that we should defend ourselves. Vigorously. But our acceptance of muslims into our society should be conditional and not taken for granted.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  58. I truly do not understand how these savages can still think that attacks like this will accomplish anything. Life always goes on–it has to. But they keep doing it, with little return on their self-martyrdom. And our government’s repsonse will only get more vehement, not less.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  59. well it does fit into their grand plan, stage 3 I think, insurgencies inside Western cultures,

    narciso (732bc0)

  60. I agree, Patrick, and the most patriotic of Muslims are the ones who have lived under Iran’s Islamic tyranny.

    The girls who escaped from there would come to our office at the college, jubilant, free of the hijab, and ask how to sign up for computer engineering majors.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  61. Mr. Obama is playing for the other team. It’s time to admit it. Now what?

    Valario Jones (990fbb)

  62. 53. Steve57 (a13395) — 12/7/2015 @ 5:57 pm

    I meant to add that there is some evidence that this operation was funded from IS sources overseas.

    Right now, they are saying there was a big deposit into Syed Rizwan Farook’s bank account ($28,500) on November 18, 2015, two weeks before the shooting – that is, the Wednesday after the Paris attacks

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/08/bank-records-show-28500-deposit-to-syed-farooks-account-two-weeks-before-shooting-source-says.html

    — but maybe he borrowed the money someone told the Daily Beast.

    The money actually came from WebBank.com. Now in a day or two they’ll know something more.

    About Friday November 20, Syed rizwan Farook withdrew $10,000 in cash from a Union Bank branch in San Bernardino, California. They’re thinking maybe it was used to pay Enrique Marquez, the man who bought the two AR-15 semiautomatic rifles – except that he must have had them before. Enrique Marquez, a childhood friend of Syed Rizwan Farook, checked himself into a mental hospital as soon as he heard of teh massacre but he is now said to be talking to police.

    Later, there were three transfers of $5,000 that appear to be to Farook’s mother. He maybe expected to die and he wanted her to inherit that money, which he didn’t need.

    The charge for the rental of the getaway car hit his account on November 30..

    Which if true means like just about everything that comes out of his mouth, a lot of Prom Queen’s Oval Office address is going to be proven false in very short order.

    Later on, they’ll probably try out maybe it came from Tashfeen Malik’s family, who didn’t know the true reason they wanted the money. Not that there will any evidence of that.

    By the way, I don’t think this came from ISIS.

    His and her connections all go to al Qaeda.

    You’d think they’d work harder on their lies. Instead the Freshman dorm administration seems to think all they need to do is spit out lies that won’t hold up longer than one 24 hour news cycle.

    They are not lies. They are what they hope is the truth.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  63. 57. well it does fit into their grand plan, stage 3 I think, insurgencies inside Western cultures,

    narciso (732bc0) — 12/7/2015 @ 8:01 pm

    Insurgencies inside Western cultures would be stage 2. That would correspond to the portion of Islamic history when Muhammad first made the hijrah to Yathrib, later Medina, and started raiding Meccan caravans.

    The jihadis are essentially only strong enough to raid our caravans.

    Really I’d argue that unlike much of Europe the US is still in stage 1, which is an underground jihad. The Muslims have to deny they have any aggressive intent at all, while secretly plotting their later assault. This corresponds to Muhammad’s earlier Meccan period when he was preaching his peaceful “revelations” (“There is no compulsion in religion,” “I do not serve what you serve, and you do not serve what I serve; you shall have your religion and I shall have mine”) while inside the tents of his tribe, the Quraysh, he was quietly trying to gather them to his side as an army by promising them all sorts of riches in war booty by conquering the same people to whom he was outwardly preaching peace and tolerance.

    Stage 3 looks like Saudi Arabia and Iran. We don’t want to get to stage 2 let alone stage 3.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  64. 58. I agree, Patrick, and the most patriotic of Muslims are the ones who have lived under Iran’s Islamic tyranny.

    The girls who escaped from there would come to our office at the college, jubilant, free of the hijab, and ask how to sign up for computer engineering majors.

    Patricia (5fc097) — 12/8/2015 @ 8:41 am

    I agree. And we shouldn’t betray these people by refusing to recognize that there are distinctions among Muslims.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  65. was out running errands, this was what I was referring to,

    http://news.siteintelgroup.com/blog/index.php/about-us/21-jihad/21-suri-a-mili

    narciso (732bc0)

  66. “peaceful and upstanding” includes dropping the dime. After all, Muslims can’t be accused of profiling, racism, or islamophobia.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)


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