President Obama Doesn’t Want You To Jump To Any Conclusions
[guest post by Dana]
President Obama on the San Bernardino attack:
It is possible that this was terrorist-related, but we don’t know. It’s also possible that this was workplace-related.
What law enforcement found in the garage at the house in Redlands:
A search of that property revealed 12 pipe bombs in the garage as well as “hundreds” of tools to construct IEDs and “other material to produce some additional bombs.” Thousands more rounds of ammunition were also stored there.
Barguan said at this point they don’t know of plans for another attack, but “clearly they were equipped” to stage another. “We intercepted them before that happened,” he said.
Now that’s some thoughtful preparation by Syed Farook: Hm, what should I have on hand in case I get really, really annoyed with my co-workers…
–Dana
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Also the guy was in touch with a bunch of international terrorists but what does that really mean after all?
This is going down as “workplace violence” because that fits the gun-control agenda and meme far more suitably than does “terrorist attack”. But I guess with executive action, it doesn’t really matter much. And who has time to focus on security when there is a legacy to be concerned with and political points to be scored.
Dana (86e864) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:02 pmPaying attention to this last shooting real time was something else. Initial reports stated that it was “White Men” and all the liberal commenters were spewing whatever garbage they wanted to about white guys and gun control.
Then reports started coming out that it was Arab attackers, which immediately switched liberal commenter tunes to “That is unconfirmed.” There was also a stab at a technicality that Arabs are technically white people also.
Then once the name was official, everyone switched to the workplace violence angle and also asked for people to wait for the news to come out.
Dejectedhead (ba8561) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:05 pmif you go to Saudi Arabia and prance around with a bunch of saudi perverts and then come back to failmerica and kill a bunch of random people
you might could be a terrorist
food stamp boi needs to focus on the warmings and let the adults handle this one
happyfeet (831175) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:13 pmSorry for the language I am, but the current POTUS is a vile, reprehensible piece of SHIT!
Yoda (feee21) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:19 pmNo, we do know you feckin’ idjit. IT’S TERRORISM.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:30 pmPresident [Dingleberry] on the San Bernardino attack:
Look up the definition of “idiot” and you’ll see a picture of crazy Barry.
Mark (f713e4) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:34 pmUPDATE BY PATTERICO: Also the guy was in touch with a bunch of international terrorists but what does that really mean after all?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 12/3/2015 @ 6:35 pmIt means you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
ropelight (1f3f9d) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:08 pmI think it was Kish who noted when the Paris attack fell, well it turns out yesterday was a significant date in their calendar as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arba%27een
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:09 pmThanks, narciso. Now that’s a spicy meatball.
ropelight (1f3f9d) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:32 pma commenter at Hot Air noticed it.
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:36 pmI was impressed by how quickly the police were able to encounter the terrorists. Is it known why the remote bombs did not function?
seeRpea (181740) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:47 pmOK. I didn’t know about it and you brought the info here. I’m grateful.
ropelight (1f3f9d) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:47 pmmaybe like the Times Square bomber, the wiring was faulty, same for the underwear bomber,
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 7:51 pmA lot of people are going to be embarrassed when ex-President Obama makes his hajj in 2017.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/3/2015 @ 8:05 pmNarciso, I’m thinking that maybe the anti-Shia ISIS doesn’t observe Shia celebrations.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/3/2015 @ 8:07 pmpossible, but as with the Paris event, and the ones in 2012, it involved the death by Sunnis chieftains,
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 8:11 pmSection #4 from narciso’s link:
Other religions and countries in the Arba’een
While the Arba’een is a distinctively Shi’a spiritual exercise, Sunni Muslims and even Christians, Yazidis, Zoroastrians, and Sabians partake in both the pilgrimage as well as serving of devotees. Pilgrims from European countries including Sweden, Russia and even a delegation from Vatican City have joined in past observances. Some Iraqi Christian religious leaders also joined the delegation from the Vatican.
Many delegations from various African countries including Ghana, Nigeria, Tanzania and Senegal have also participated in the Arba’een.
ropelight (1f3f9d) — 12/3/2015 @ 8:11 pmObama: “It can’t be terrorism because we know Islam is peace.”
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 12/3/2015 @ 8:23 pmOT, one wonders why people are cynical
http://www.abcnews4.com/story/30661372/sled-agent-investigating-walter-scott-case-fired-for-facebook-comment
narciso (732bc0) — 12/3/2015 @ 8:28 pmIt must have been terrible if they fired a government worker over it.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 12/3/2015 @ 9:02 pmYeesh. From LAT:
Dana (86e864) — 12/3/2015 @ 9:05 pmIt’s also possible that they used a unicorn to pack extra ammo for them.
Comanche Voter (1d5c8b) — 12/3/2015 @ 9:07 pmI’m curious where in Redlands. A few of my friends live in the city.
Bill H (2a858c) — 12/3/2015 @ 10:01 pmI’m Hadji with a bullet
Got my finger on the trigger, I’m gonna pull it
I’m ticked and sick now
I’m a son-of-a-goat
So I’ll hold you right there infidel, infidel
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/3/2015 @ 10:43 pmMy hands wrapped around your throat
This may be gettin’ old, but it’s new for some, too
I’ll have seventy two virgins, insh’allah I pray it’s true
I expected nothing else. Same tired old script.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2015 @ 11:25 pmI’m guessing they used radioshack parts.
That’s letting the guilty off the hook. Obama doesn’t serve this country, except to serve us up on a platter. It’s anyone’s guess which country he does serve.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/4/2015 @ 2:32 amThis is who New York liberals think the terrorists are:
http://cdn.newsbusters.org/styles/featured_image/s3/images/2015-12-03-CNN-CNNTonight-NewNYDNCoverShooters.JPG?itok=e4QOxApA
Which means every ember of the NRA is in a terrorist organization. Frankly, I thin the paper itself is a terrorist arm of the communist NY government ala Pravda. If LaPierre doesn’t sue the crap out of them he’s nuts.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/4/2015 @ 5:58 amLiz Sheld at PJ Media reports (12/4/15) the following:
ATF Says Weapons Used in San Bernardino were Illegal in California
ropelight (55e912) — 12/4/2015 @ 6:04 amHere’s more from Liz Shed: (continued from #28)
ropelight (55e912) — 12/4/2015 @ 6:16 am@ropelight: Doesn’t matter. The only gun control progressives will accept as a permanent state of affairs is a total gun ban. All they are trying to do is figure out how to get there from here, and every call for “common sense” measures is just cover for what they really want.
So when they say ALL PURCHASED LEGALLY!!11!!eleventy!!, and then we point out that they weren’t, they will go and say that proves we need a total ban, including manufacturing. And they need more and more mass shootings to get to that point where they think calling for a total ban will be heeded.
So expect to see more progressives explicitly call for total bannination with every mass shooting (perpetrated by white people).
Gabriel Hanna (82f8cd) — 12/4/2015 @ 6:18 amThe other thing that pisses me off is the talking heads, commentators and even conservatives keep calling semi-automatic carbines assault weapons. They have allowed the anti-gun movement to define guns. In what world does that make sense? They allowed the same crap to happen with so-called cop killer bullets and Saturday night specials. None are accurate, none are the correct names for the items in question and all serve to empower the left, the anti-gun crowd and to instill fear in people just by using a phony word or name.
And a bunch of crazy criminals are “terrorists” along with Wayne LaPierre according to the Daily News. But allowing 10 million unknown Mexicans and 100,000 non veted Syrians in is sane?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/4/2015 @ 6:22 amIt’s the Christian Jew’s fault!
I heard last night on either CNN or Fox [they’re next to each other on my tv’s non-existent dial and I switch back and forth] that Farook got into an argument with a devout Christian about whether Islam was a religion of peace [the Christian ultimately won that argument in what can only be described as a Pyrrhic victory]. The report stated that the argument continued at the event on Wednesday, and Farook left and returned with his lovely wife. Farook was obviously triggered by the Islamophobic comments of the Christian, and, per John Kerry, went on a perfectly understandable, savage, murderous, barbaric rampage.
Today, I read the article cited below in the Express from the UK that the Christian who engaged Farook in the argument was actually a Messianic Jew, who recently converted. What’s the over-under on how long until a self-loathing leftist blames San Bernardino on the Christian Jew?:
“Another victim was Nicholas Thalasinos, a Messianic Jew who wore a tie clip with the Star of David.
It is thought that the 52-year-old restaurant inspector had an argument with suspect Syed Farook about Islam just two weeks before the tragedy.
Mr Thalasinos’ wife, Jennifer, said: “My husband was just a very devout believer.
“He became born again a couple of years ago and because of that I had a very strong faith, so I know that he’s in a much better place.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/…
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 12/4/2015 @ 6:26 amhttp://freebeacon.com/national-security/dhs-secretly-allowed-suspects-with-terror-ties-into-country/
narciso (732bc0) — 12/4/2015 @ 6:58 am#32, Walter, Islam preaches peace among the faithful – Moslims are required by their religion to treat each other honorably and with dignity and peace. However, those prescriptions don’t apply to non-believers, not at all.
Non-believers in Islam are vulnerable to a wide array of dishonest and even deadly practices which are approved and encouraged, even required of the faithful in the actual words of the Koran itself and further described and reinforced in subsequent official Islamic texts.
So, on the one hand Islam is peaceful – but only to fellow Moslims. To all others Moslims are not only permitted but are encouraged to lie, cheat, deceive, rob, rape, and murder all in the name of Allah and with the understanding that Islam approves and justifies any and all acts of violence against non-believers. Mistreating infidels is a holy act and a religious requirement for Moslims.
Moslims are peaceful to other Moslims, but deadly to all others. Misunderstand this and one day your life may in the hands of religious fanatics out to glorify Allah and secure their place in paradise by spilling the blood of your children.
ropelight (55e912) — 12/4/2015 @ 7:07 amRopelight, I don’t believe most Muslims are “peaceful” to anyone except their own, insular tribes:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2…
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 12/4/2015 @ 7:29 amdon’t look behind the curtain
https://twitter.com/InRetentis/status/672417318345965568
narciso (732bc0) — 12/4/2015 @ 7:32 amWalter’s right, ropelight. Regardless of what the Koran or anything else says (and I don’t recall it saying that but when I have time I’ll look it up) I have seen no evidence in my life that moslem pigs treat each other with any more respect or dignity or compassion than they treat Christians, Jews, Americans, French or anyone else.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/4/2015 @ 7:50 amOfficials say the jihadi wife pledged allegiance to ISIS during the attack.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/4/2015 @ 8:08 amMore at the Daily Mail. They also may have specifically targeted a Jewish co-worker. I imagine that’s why Obama will persist in calling this workplace violence, because the co-worker was outspoken in his beliefs and teased Farook about his beard.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/4/2015 @ 8:16 amHoagie, you’re both right and so am I. Not all Moslims are strict followers of Islamic religious tenets, just like all Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Budists are strict followers of the tenets of their respective religions. Those facts do not in any way discredit the Koran’s requirements for the observant faithful: peace among Moslims, deceit, crime and death to all others.
ropelight (55e912) — 12/4/2015 @ 8:23 amR.I.P. Scott Weiland, singer for Stone Temple Pilots
Icy (c2822c) — 12/4/2015 @ 8:27 ammuslims are nice it’s just there’s this subset what’s very worrisome
happyfeet (a037ad) — 12/4/2015 @ 8:28 amthat’s so sad about Mr. Weiland
i ripped 12 Bar Blues when i moved so I could toss the cd
happyfeet (a037ad) — 12/4/2015 @ 8:30 amWhat causes the disconnect between California progressives and reality? First, Barbara Boxer touts California’s “sensible gun laws” as working, when in fact the weapons used in the San Bernarndino massacre were illegal under California law. Then, the California Attorney General took dead aim at what she believes caused the massacre – the First Amendment:
“The day after a horrific shooting spree by a “radicalized” Muslim man and his partner in San Bernardino, California, Attorney General Loretta Lynch pledged to a group of Muslim activists that she would take aggressive action against anyone who used “anti-Muslim rhetoric” that “edges toward violence…Claiming that violence against Muslims is on the rise and citing France’s clamp down on potentially radicalized mosques, Lynch suggested the Constitution does not protect “actions predicated on violent talk” and pledged to prosecute those responsible for such actions.” http://www.dailywire.com/news/…
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 12/4/2015 @ 8:33 amAbsolutely, Walter, and it isn’t just Californians. Lynch is the former US Attorney from New York and the current US Attorney General. We can’t blame Cali for her extreme views.
Also, I can’t help but think that — because of those religious discussions between Farook and his Jewish co-worker — Lynch would have prosecuted the Jew.
DRJ (15874d) — 12/4/2015 @ 8:38 am45. DRJ – Oops, she is the US AG, not California’s – read the article too quickly.
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 12/4/2015 @ 8:44 amI believe the “Jew” you are referring to was Nicholas Thalasinos, a newly “born again” Messianic Jew.
I’ve got something that Affirmative Action African-American Attorney General (AAAAAG) Loretta Lynch can prosecute.
nk (dbc370) — 12/4/2015 @ 9:29 amLots of people have noticed the leftist/Islamist alliance and the many points they have in common. You can’t go to leftist demonstration without seeing a keffiyah.
It’s time to recognize what this alliance has morphed into. The jihadists have become the armed wing of the Democratic party in their mutual war on America.
Jihadists like this couple kill Americans. Then the Democrats come into the breech, tell Americans how it’s all our fault, and that we need to change.
Dammit, we need to give up our guns.
Dammit, that Jew should have shut up! We need “hate speech” control.
Oh, and they need to import more jihadists.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/4/2015 @ 9:30 amhttp://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4088/islamophobia-oic-free-speech
As we should have well learned by now from examples given us by such luminaries like Ahmed the Clock Boy, Muslims don’t ever actually invent anything. Their ideology prohibits it (Boko haram!). They simply coopted “homophobia” from the gay rights movement.* These “phobias” are simply verbal cudgels to be used to beat people saying perfectly sensible and truthful things into submission.
And never forget, Islam means submission.
All over Europe now it is illegal to say things that are not only reasonable but entirely truthful about Islam or Muslims. Truth is not a defense. The only thing that matters is, do Muslims, their leftist allies, or the government (but I repeat myself) object to what the individual said. If so, guilty.
And the OIC has allies.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2011/07/168636.htm
I don’t think I need to tell anyone that when Hillary! says she’s taking a strong stand for freedom of expression we can all ROLF! Just ask the owner of the Laugh Factory how much Hillary! values freedom of expression.
And what are we to make of that word “incitement” these days now that children have been taught by leftists of Hillary!’s generation to believe words they don’t like are violence? Again look at what is happening on college campuses.
Oh,and who else are raised to believe words (or cartoons) are also violence? The people John Kerry, another leftist of Hillary!’s generation, are capable of committing “legitimate” terrorism. Or if not quite legitimate it has a rationale he can understand.
These people blame videos for attacks on our diplomatic facitilies and and Planned Parenthood offices. They hate the first amendment as much as any Saudi cleric ever born. Which is why they are importing the like minded. Every time they blow up (literally) it will be America’s fault.
*I hope gay people enjoy their short-lived right to “marry” in Europe. I’ve keep trying to point out that once a society suicidally decides that marriage no longer has producing children at its very core, and thus precludes the silly concept that the definition can be stretched to include same sex couples, that society is well on its way to being replaced by a society with much more retrograde views on that as well as many other topics. But I expect to be called a “homophobe” until well after the first gay man is thrown off a building in Hamburg.
Steve57 (a13395) — 12/4/2015 @ 10:30 amI understand that as is true in all religions, not all moslems are strict followers of their tenets. However, when a group or tribe of moslems goes out and slaughters and enslaves another group of moslems (happened a thousand times in history I bet) all the rest of those moslems don’t rise up and crush the bad guys for not showing “peace among moslems”. They just don’t care, ropelight. Each sect believes in killing not just infidels, Christians, apostates and queers, but any other sect that doesn’t believe EXACTLY what they believe. It’s like Presbyterians killing Methodists because they celebrate communion differently.
IOW, the very core of Islam is rotten and no good ever comes from it. They would kill every one on earth and kill each other right down to the final surviving sect and not think a thing of it. It’s not a religion it’s a psychotic disease and like all diseases we need to find a way to eliminate it.
I know it’s politically incorrect and “bigoted” to say all that but then I’m not the guy practicing the so-called religion that kills everybody am I? I’ve known moslems personally and although I found them to be oddballs by American standards they seemed like nice folks. Then they started blowing sh!t up, killing Americans and things changed. I read the Koran, then read it more. Then I read other moslem books and realized they are not a religion. They are a State. They do not fit under “religious freedom” in America. They fit in under Sedition and enemies of the state and to allow them here among us is criminal negligence.
P.S. The Prophetby Kahlil Gibran and Freddie Mercury are both still some of my favorites. Hell, that should be good for two “phobia’s”.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 12/4/2015 @ 11:32 am