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12/3/2015

‘If You See Something, Say Something’

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:03 am



[guest post by Dana]

In the aftermath of yesterday’s horrific attack in San Bernardino, we find out that sadly and frustratingly, our politically correct climate inhibited residents from following Homeland Security’s admonition:

Across the nation, we’re all part of communities. In cities, on farms, and in the suburbs, we share everyday moments with our neighbors, colleagues, family, and friends. It’s easy to take for granted the routine moments in our every day—going to work or school, the grocery store or the gas station. But your every day is different than your neighbor’s—filled with the moments that make it uniquely yours. So if you see something you know shouldn’t be there—or someone’s behavior that doesn’t seem quite right—say something. Because only you know what’s supposed to be in your everyday.

Informed, alert communities play a critical role in keeping our nation safe. “If You See Something, Say Something™” engages the public in protecting our homeland through awareness–building, partnerships, and other outreach.

Reality:

A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

“We sat around lunch thinking, ‘What were they doing around the neighborhood?’” he said. “We’d see them leave where they’re raiding the apartment.”

It appears that it is indeed imperative that we work toward major climate change; I just wish to God our president focused on the climate change that is truly having an immediate and negative impact on us all.

–Dana

58 Responses to “‘If You See Something, Say Something’”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. Like I said in the other thread, I’m not going to denounce my neighbors unless I see the smoking gun in their hand and the dead body at their feet. The guv’mint.gov can go scratch.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

    He can at least use the excuse he could see Middle-Eastern-looking people but, unlike the military enlistees dealing with Nidal Hasan, didn’t know what those strangers were thinking and espousing.

    I just wish to God our president focused

    I mentioned it previously, and I’m not being merely flippant when I say this, but I’d truly feel no less confident in the security (and decency) of this nation if the person now in the Oval Office disappeared into thin air. We could then at least sing a round of that song that occurs at the end of the “Wizard of Oz” when the witch has melted into a smoldering pile.

    Mark (f713e4)

  4. scratch scratch yes yes

    this man did the right thing in not going all harriet the spy

    we pay literally billions and billions of printed and borrowed failmerican dollars for incompetent fbi nsa cia poofterboys to stay on top of these things

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  5. In Chicago, if you see a swarthy guy named Omar or Ozman, don’t panic. The odds are he’s Cuban or Puerto Rican.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. 5.In Chicago, if you see a swarthy guy named Omar or Ozman, don’t panic. The odds are he’s Cuban or Puerto Rican.

    Hell, nk, in Chicago he could be from City Hall.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  7. Must fix headline …

    ‘If You See Something, Say Something but Only If White People’

    Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d)

  8. The “Flying Imams” and “Clock Boy” thank you.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  9. Yet, at the same time the fear of reporting someone who is acting strange is applying to white folks as well. See the two nutters from CO Springs. Where they had strange interactions and short of some vibe throwing outbursts or comments, people didn’t call the cops or say something. Even then as the nutter in California a year ago who did have a cop call on them, the way our justice system is designed our police just can’t lock you up in a basement for long (I know, I know the world is changing but I still want to believe in free American society. Not leftist police state or the right’s stasi style surveillance state) to force a confession.

    Then issue is evidence and can you prove they are a raving loon or an active terrorist or just someone who got angry and decided to grumble about it?

    Charles (4203a2)

  10. #9, Um, if the Cops had shown up at Farook and Taydeep’s house they would have found lots of ME Men living there and a bomb factory in the garage.

    Just saying. This might not be the best example for your (appropriate) argument.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d)

  11. Hoagie, the closest we have in City Hall is Alderman Ameya Pawar whose ward contains Little India, Little Korea, and Little Saigon, and the highest-ranking magnet high school in Chicago.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. I understand your concern, nk, at least I think I do. I suspect you don’t want to gove the government any more power or information than it already has, and I understand that feeling. But I also know that I would wish someone said something if my child was one of the victims — and every victim is someone’s child.

    DRJ (15874d)

  13. I was actually trying to be a little funny and sarcastic at the same time, nk. But there’s nothing funny about the highest ranking magnet school being associated with Little India, Korea and Saigon (Ho Chi-Minh City, I’ll have you know). Odd how them there Asian folks seem not only to assimilate but to thrive in America. But let’s bring in more Somalians, Iranians and Syrians just because.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  14. i was at an LAPD meeting last month when a cop from downtown gave a briefing on terror threats, etc.

    he talked about how they collect information, and translate it into intel, but went out of his way to say they don’t profile, and how we shouldn’t report things like what’s mentioned in the news stories…

    talk about self-defeating measures. it’s as bad as the Clinton administration prohibiting the sharing of data between agencies.

    redc1c4 (51aab8)

  15. Across the nation, we’re all part of communities. In cities, on farms, and in the suburbs, we share everyday moments with our neighbors, colleagues, family, and friends. It’s easy to take for granted the routine moments in our every day—going to work or school, the grocery store or the gas station. But your every day is different than your neighbor’s—filled with the moments that make it uniquely yours. So if you see something you know shouldn’t be there—or someone’s behavior that doesn’t seem quite right—say something. Because only you know what’s supposed to be in your everyday.

    Unless of course it’s a Moslem teenager who brings in a half-assed engineering “project” consisting of an 80s-era clock taken apart and reassembled in a pencil case. In that case you are morally obligated to have enough of a working knowledge of electronics (even if you are an English teacher) to know that there is nothing dangerous there, and you should humor the boy by allowing him to show-off his creation to everyone in his class. Because profiling. And racism.

    JVW (d60453)

  16. @10,

    Umm 4th amendment processes?

    “Yea hi, I don’t want to be a bother, but there seems to be a number of middle eastern men coming and going from one house.”
    “Okay we will send an officer out.”
    “Seven David this is dispatch please respond to a suspect party at 8th and garden, see the man about the party”
    “Well Pete what do you think?”
    “Let’s just go and knock on the door, Ponch”
    “Hello we are from the Mayberry Police force and have a few questions.”
    “Yes sir, how can I help”
    “Well we had a report of suspicious people in the ….”
    “Oh so you target the Muslims!!!!!”
    With all the resulting hand wringing and diversity training and court cases.
    Or
    “We are just having fellowship after our evening religious services.”
    “Okay can we talk to everyone”
    “Actually, no sirs you can’t unless you have a good warrant.”

    Then later we read of an event.

    Sorry, but hunches and gut feelings are important and at the same time there are some rights here that need to be preserved.

    Charles (4203a2)

  17. Obama said now we don’t know if this is terrorism.

    Three points:

    1. This bears all the signs of a connection to international terrorism, including the relativelt recent increase in religiousity.

    2. As he said he said about Benghazi, if this is not part of something bigger, it is still called terrorism.

    3 If they don’t have specific information, this investigation is not going well.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  18. Jeremiah Wright’s (former) buddy is doubling down on stupid (ie, he’s being stereotypically leftwing) by repeating the line (this time on American soil) that what happened yesterday doesn’t happen in other countries.

    Mark (74fce8)

  19. Obama’s relationship with the Saudis has been strained, esepically after the Iran deal. Did they warn him about this couple? Did the Saudis care anymore?

    DRJ (15874d)

  20. DRJ, I definitely would give it more consideration if it were John Ashcroft asking and not Jeh Johnson.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. #16: That’s why the federal agencies matter in cases like this, but our government doesn’t believe we have a terror problem so they don’t investigate it. They think we have a gun problem.

    DRJ (15874d)

  22. Saudis are weirdo depraved perverts

    they’re like the Mitt Romney of the middle east

    just possibly a tad more electable

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  23. The day after a serious terror incident and the Secretary of Defense announces … women can go on the frontline in combat.

    DRJ (15874d)

  24. I think this jihadi wife already got the message.

    DRJ (15874d)

  25. Fox News says the IED designs were straight out of Al Qaeda Magazine.

    DRJ (15874d)

  26. My first brush with government is illustrative.

    When I was 12 I was walking with a friend through a field that had been used for this purpose for years. Well worn trail. Suddenly from the distance we spied a chevy pickup barreling through the ruts baring down on us. Me and my friend cleared the trail figuring these guys were on some sort of a four wheel drive short cut. These guys kept coming coming coming, then at the last minute veered over and clipped me, the passenger throwing open the door to hit me again as I flew past.

    Luckily across from the field was a Fire Dept station with someone on duty watching the whole thing happen. So before these psycho freaks could back over and squish me like a grape, first responders were on the scene.

    I was whisked away in ambulance, checked out by medics. No major damage. Just bumps and bruises.

    Later that evening the police brought the driver of the truck to my front door, where he said he was sorry.

    The police report called it an accidental collision without ever giving me an interview.

    I lost all respect for law enforcement that day.

    You are on your own folks.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  27. The Russian intel guys “saw something”. Then they “said something” to the FBI about the
    Tsarnaev brothers. The FBI couldn’t find anything amiss.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  28. Later that evening the police brought the driver of the truck to my front door, where he said he was sorry.

    Ah, so it was the chief of police’s nephew then?

    JVW (d60453)

  29. True, Richard. The government has admitted they can barely keep track of the four dozen high value terror suspects they know about. Even if we tell someone and even if they care, they don’t have the manpower to do something about it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  30. Maybe. Smelled like it.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  31. Heck, the Secret Service can barely handle the White House.

    DRJ (15874d)

  32. But there are diversity officers in every government office.

    DRJ (15874d)

  33. In my neighborhood, there was a house on the corner that had renters coming and going every few years. One of those times, I was talking with a neighbor while working on my car when suddenly, she said, “Do you smell smoke?” We turned and saw a plume of black smoke rising from that house, and she ran inside to call 911. I ran around the corner and looked over the fence into the backyard, and there was an elderly Middle Eastern woman who was…burning garbage. In the backyard.

    When I shouted at her that she couldn’t burn garbage in her backyard, she protested “This is my house!” Eventually, the fire department (thankfully not far away) arrived, and set her straight.

    My neighbor, who lives closer to the corner than I, was incensed. I’ve lived in that same neighborhood since my single digits, and since being the first and only black family on our block have seen it transform from majority Irish and Italian to Chinese, Vietnamese, Russian/ex-Soviet, Mexican, Filipino — a virtual UN. There’s no tension of a racial nature. It’s a good place to live. And not until that moment was there such a stark clash of cultures.

    Thankfully, that family moved on within months. There hasn’t been any 911 calls to that house since. And that’s the way (uh huh, uh huh) I like it.

    L.N. Smithee (e750c1)

  34. Ah, so it was the chief of police’s nephew then?

    Actually when I was face to face with the dude, he seemed like one of those guys who should have been flagged by the background check as not mentally equipped to handle a motor vehicle.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  35. I remember a blond-haired, blu-eyed Nordic-looking business associate who was ALWAYS searched in detail at airports after 9/11, as the perfect proof it wasn’t racial.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  36. Re: #22… happyfeet, you can put your opinion the same place your head can be found: a dark, dank, fetid chamber AKA your lower intestinal tract

    Colonel Haiku (933076)

  37. @#10 Um, if the Cops had shown up at Farook and Taydeep’s house they would have found lots of ME Men living there and a bomb factory in the garage.

    That’s a big ‘if’ considering that if everybody calls 911 forty or fifty times a day everytime they see something odd the cops will have a backlog of about 20 years worth of checking to do in no time. It’s the same problem with our intelligence agencies collecting hundreds of millions or billions of communications every single day – after the fact it’s easy enough to find the pertinenet information but how do you check every single item in real time? You can’t – you can maybe hope to get lucky and run across that one needle in the haystack once in a great while, but holy cow are we spending a ton of money looking for a needle when that money could be better spent elsewhere. Not to mention the loss of individual liberty and common sense when you buy into this insane notion that we have to accept becoming a police informant state like East Germany because “safety first!”. No thank you, I’ll take my chances with the terrorists if the alternative is Big Brother GPS-chipping me and the neighborhood busy-body calling the cops everytime I step outside and light up a cigarette she’s not sure is actually tobacco.

    Jerryskids (3308c1)

  38. #37, Yeah well then they are useless and should all be fired. At least my tax bill could go down.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d)

  39. By the way, exactly one week before this attack, our brilliant commander in chief said the following:

    “Right now, we know of no specific and credible intelligence indicating a plot on the homeland,”

    No doubt, the media is going to ask him about this any moment now…

    Never mind.

    orcadrvr (41c165)

  40. Re: #22… happyfeet, you can put your opinion the same place your head can be found: a dark, dank, fetid chamber AKA your lower intestinal tract

    i can’t even belieber you said that Mr. Colonel

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  41. Just this morning I was wondering “What are people saying about SoCal attack?” I can see that the liberal left have spewed their stupid word-vomit here. For instance, some here don’t want to “profile” Middle Eastern men loitering in their neighborhood – based only on those facts. If there’s “new people” in my neighborhood, loitering, you bet I’m calling 9-1-1 – had to do that just last week. So what does their “race” have to do with anything? Their trigger fingers still operate – until smashed. Wake up America – it’s the 4th quarter and you’re on your own 1-yard line and down by 10 points. You’ve been giving the game ball away to the Liberals on every play since Barry Obummer was finagled into office. Stand up and say “Enough! Return my America, built by all our parents.” If we ever wanted to honor them, today is the day. Tell Washington to “shape up or ship out!”

    John Compatore (8b55b6)

  42. 27. Richard Aubrey (472a6f) — 12/3/2015 @ 9:48 am

    The Russian intel guys “saw something”. Then they “said something” to the FBI about the
    Tsarnaev brothers. The FBI couldn’t find anything amiss.

    The FBI wanted more details – evidence. The Russians refused to provide it. They had really wanted them watched only so that they would not do anything in Russia, maybe.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  43. http://kron4.com/2015/12/02/20-people-shot-in-southern-california/

    Farook was in touch over the phone and via social media with more than one international terrorism subject who the FBI were already investigating, law enforcement officials said.

    It appears that Farook was radicalized, which contributed to his motive, though other things — like workplace grievances — may have also played a role, other law enforcement sources said.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  44. 40… believe it, halfwit

    Colonel Haiku (933076)

  45. “i can’t even belieber you said that Mr. Colonel.”

    – happyfeet

    You gotta remember, he’s got a real soft spot for Romney. Or a hard spot. One of the two.

    Leviticus (dfc5ce)

  46. well truth be told, the Sauds are the ones we can do business with, it’s the men of the tribes,
    that compose the Ikwan, that are the problem,

    narciso (732bc0)

  47. pikachu doesn’t like anyone in politics, more than a fraction of a second,

    narciso (732bc0)

  48. Somebody said something about Little Achmed The Clockfaker. Cost $15 mill.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  49. i have it on good authority that Mitt Romney’s a pooper

    i just never feel like he’s really in my corner

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  50. Ah Qatar, why does that ring a bell, the host of clock boy, the place where Central bank and Defense Ministry employees chip into Nusra Front coffers, where two diplomats where burning rubber in San Diego streets a month or two back,

    narciso (732bc0)

  51. Sammy Finkelman
    They needed more information!?!?!?!?
    They can start on anybody they like, given a dodgy phone call. And getting the silver platter treatment should have sparked a little extra effort.
    That said, with such a gift, they still couldn’t get it together. Just like “those guys in the midwest flight schools”.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  52. i just saw on Drudge,
    White House: Gun Control Will ‘Deter Terrorists’…

    are they morons or do they think the USA populace are morons? Try telling that to Israeli’s.
    and speaking of the Middle East – contrary to what the PotUS says, people in that area and even in Central Africa have to live with this type of terrorism on their mind every day.

    seeRpea (181740)

  53. Yes, I admit to not equating ANY of our politicians with the Saudis, Romney included. He’s lived an exemplary and quite charitable life, by all reports… excepting maybe menducious miscreants like Harry Reid and your kind, Leviticus.

    Colonel Haiku (933076)

  54. well the Saudis give lip service to their respective faiths, like Clinton, Reid, Pelosi

    narciso (732bc0)

  55. Well, it seems like Farookiiiii, in addition to planning a massive terrorist attack, was engaged in an ongoing nasty dialogue with a Christian colleague over the “peacefulness” of Islam.

    I guess yesterday when Faroookiiiiii got to the Christmas Party he lost it with his Christian colleague and they fought again. He then went so ham he decided to scrap his big plans and went off with his wife to execute the improvised plan.

    .
    .
    .
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    I guess his Christian Colleague won the argument but did end up losing his life.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d)

  56. The main problem with so many leftwingers is that the majority of them suffer from severe cases of recto-cranial impaction.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  57. Didn’t I hear the White House repeatedly declare there was “No Credible Threat” for a terrorism attack just over a week ago? This comes after the administration admitted it hadn’t ever issued an alert in the last 4 years with its new Terrorism Advisory System. Of course the administration will claim they were correct, since the San Bernardino Islamic slaughter wasn’t a terrorism attack.

    Under this administration’s interpretation, there is no such thing as a terrorism attack.

    Corky Boyd (2c491d)


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