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11/30/2015

Censoring Speech Does Not Change The Barbaric Practices Taking Place At Planned Parenthood

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:36 pm

[guest post by Dana]

In the aftermath of the Colorado shootout at a Planned Parenthood facility, calls are being made to censor our language because extremists on the left believe that by using softer language, deranged people will not commit heinous crimes such as three days ago.

Colorado’s Gov. Hickenlooper on CNN’s State of the Union show Sunday, immediately jumped right onto the rhetorical bandwagon as well:

Guest host Brianna Keilar asked, “I do want to ask you a final question here. Planned Parenthood, almost immediately, even before we exactly knew the facts or anything about the motivation here. We now know that the shooter referenced ‘baby parts’ when he was arrested. Planned Parenthood is calling this domestic terrorism. Do you agree with that assessment?”

Hickenlooper said, “Certainly it’s a form of terrorism, and maybe in some way it’s a function of the inflammatory rhetoric we see on all — so many issues now, there are bloggers and talk shows where they really focus on trying to get people to that point of boiling over. Just intense anger. Maybe it’s time to look at how do we tone down some that rhetoric. Obviously no one is going to try to reduce free speech in that country but that rhetoric — if people are in some way emotionally unstable or psychologically unbalanced, that intensity of rhetoric sometimes seems to pull a trigger in their brain that they lose contact with what reality is.”

So unsurprisingly, the narrative being touted by the usual suspects is that the murder of three individuals and subsequent wounding of 9 more individuals was a direct result of pro-lifers and their “incendiary rhetoric”. However, please be mindful that not all “incendiary rhetoric” is created equal. For example, we were assured that when Black Lives Matter protesters marched this summer, chanting “pigs in a blanket, fry ‘em like bacon,” the open season on police officers across the country had nothing to do with that or any other “incendiary rhetoric” coming from the group. Further, the mere suggestion that might have something to with it, was attacked as being racist.

But here’s the thing, when we look at what current and former Planned Parenthood employees, as well as procurement specialists have themselves revealed about the organization’s practices, there really is no kind way to describe the barbaric butchery business that is Planned Parenthood:

“We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”

*****

“We’ve just been working with people who want particular tissues, like, you know, they want cardiac, or they want eyes, or they want neural,” says Dr. Westhoff to a prospective fetal organ buyer. “Certainly, everything we provide–oh, gonads! Oh my God, gonads. Everything we provide is fresh.

*****

[T]wo lab techs are shown picking through fetal tissue with tweezers in an effort to find the organs of an aborted baby. After one of the techs picks out a pair of intact kidneys someone off-camera laughs and says, “Five stars!”

*****

Oh yeah, the fetus was already in the vaginal canal whenever we put her in the stirrups, it just fell out,” she explains of situations where there has been a great enough degree of cervical dilation to procure an intact fetus.

*****

With suction complete, look for your Sopher clamp. This instrument is about thirteen inches long and made of stainless steel. At one end are located jaws about 2 ½ inches long and about ¾ on an inch wide with rows of sharp ridges or teeth. This instrument is for grasping and crushing tissue. When it gets hold of something, it does not let go.

A second trimester D&E abortion is a blind procedure. The baby can be in any orientation or position inside the uterus. Picture yourself reaching in with the Sopher clamp and grasping anything you can. At twenty weeks gestation, the uterus is thin and soft so be careful not to perforate or puncture the walls. Once you have grasped something inside, squeeze on the clamp to set the jaws and pull hard – really hard. You feel something let go and out pops a fully formed leg about 4 to 5 inches long. Reach in again and grasp whatever you can. Set the jaw and pull really hard once again and out pops an arm about the same length. Reach in again and again with that clamp and tear out the spine, intestines, heart and lungs.

*****

Holly O’Donnell, a former procurement technician at StemExpress, said at Mar Monte’s Alameda clinic in San Jose a co-worker named Jessica brought over the most fully developed baby she had ever seen and said, “I want you to see something kind of cool.”

There she saw the “closest thing to a [fully-developed] baby I’ve seen.”

“It had a face. It wasn’t completely torn up,” she said. “Its nose was very pronounced.”

“She has one of her instruments, and she taps the heart, and it starts beating.”

“I’m looking at this fetus, and it’s heart is beating,” O’Donnell said in astonishment.

“I don’t know if that constitutes it’s technically dead, or it’s alive,” she continued.

Dr. Ben Van Handel, the vice president of Novogenix Laboratories, says on the video “there are times when, after the [abortion] procedure is done, that the heart is still beating.”

O’Donnell said that, after showing her the child’s beating heart, Jessica told her, “This is a really good fetus, and it looks like we can procure a lot from it.”

She then asked O’Donnell to remove the baby’s brain with scissors through the baby’s face.

*****

The video shows Gatter haggling over payments for intact fetal specimens and offering to use a “less crunchy technique” to get more intact body parts.

*****

Q. When you perform an intact D&E, Dr. Westhoff, is the fetus living when you commence vaginal delivery?
A. Although I don’t always check for it, I believe there is usually a heartbeat and that the fetus is living.
~
Q. And at the time you either cut the umbilical cord or collapse the skull, is the fetus living?

A. Yes.

~
Q. Dr. Westhoff, do you make it a practice either to effect fetal demise by using potassium chloride, as we have heard about, or injecting a toxin into the amniotic sac prior to the time that you effect a surgical evacuation of the uterus?

A. No, Mr. Hut, I usually do not do so.

*****

I remember one day at Planned Parenthood we were standing around in the POC lab talking about how far along Warren Hern performed abortions (he performs them up until the date of birth in Colorado). I remember my boss laughing and saying, “He aborts them so far along they come out crying and looking for their mama.”


There just aren’t any nice words to describe this particular sort of madness. Nor should there be.

–Dana

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: At this busy time in my life, I just want to express my undying appreciation to Dana for channeling my thoughts of the last couple of days so precisely. I keep intending to do a post that says: we condemn the lunatic’s violence but that doesn’t mean we have to be silent about Planned Parenthood’s atrocities. I’m thankful Dana made the time to make the point and make it well.

56 Responses to “Censoring Speech Does Not Change The Barbaric Practices Taking Place At Planned Parenthood”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. Yes there is: Nazi’s, mass murderers and child slaughter, etc.. Words have meaning and they just don’t like the meaning of the words that best describe them. Tough Shiite.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  3. “Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon” was not simply saying policeman were murderers, but actually advocated violence against police indiscriminately.

    I do not see how one could deny that.

    When did CMP or any other prominent pro-life advocate or organization publicly call for violence against abortion providers?

    Show me.

    So many arguments these days cannot be resolved because there is no argument if someone honestly asks the question,
    so you have people demanding acquiescence with the absurd,
    you can give in to it and “let the argument end”
    or persist in common sense.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  4. Silence! I keel you!

    nk not achmed the dead terrorist (dbc370)

  5. man, he has really ‘jumped the shark’ what is the proper term for the annihilation of two generation of unborn, i’m thinking arithmetically not geometrically,

    narciso (732bc0)

  6. “…no more talk of Nazis, mass murderers, child-slaughter, etc.”

    Then how about no more mass murdering and child slaughtering?

    (I’m okay with the no more Nazi thing.)

    navyvet (c33501)

  7. I agree, no matter what this loon did in Colorado what happens at PP on a daily basis is barbaric. Which is why I made this comment on an earlier thread:

    http://patterico.com/2015/11/28/a-police-officer-and-man-of-god-killed-a-president-pushes-for-stricter-gun-control/#comment-1806042

    Also the leftist hypocrisy is out in force. Jim Garaghty has a good post up about it:

    Let me get this straight. In the eyes of the Left…

    ….criticism of Planned Parenthood means something like the shooting in Colorado “was bound to happen”… …but chants where people describe police as ‘pigs’ and call for them to be ‘fried like bacon’ doesn’t lead to attacks on police…

    … a shooting by a diagnosed schizophrenic, who believed that grammar was part of a vast, government-directed mind control effort, is characterized by the Southern Poverty law Center as having views that are the “hallmark of the far right and the militia movement” …

    … while the shooter who opened fire in the lobby of the Family Research Council in downtown Washington in 2012, who planned to target the Traditional Values Coalition next, does not spur any need for a broader discussion or societal lessons about the demonization of political opponents…

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427737/selective-argument-political-rhetoric-leads-violence-jim-geraghty

    The last one I chose is particularly relevant because the shooter was actually motivated by the fact the SPLC designated the FRC a “hate group.” He said he looked them up on the SPLC’s website. He also had a bag of Chik-fil-A sandwiches he wanted to rub in their faces as they lay dying because we all know that Chik-fil-A is a hateful anti-gay company, too, right Mayor Emmanuel of Chicago, right Mayor Menino of Boston?

    Basically, when somebody shoots or otherwise tries to kill somebody leftists consider right-wing or who has done something leftists think is wrong, they don’t blame their own hateful or violent rhetoric. They blame the victim, who really was just asking for what they got.

    John Kerry let the cat out of the bag when he blurted out that the Charlie Hebdo attack was understandable but the recent mass murders weren’t.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  8. Funny, I don’t remember any leftist hand-wringing over things like this.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nMLR3Feb9RM/TAQe4LjPG4I/AAAAAAAAE5A/fFXTx4UYll0/s400/SHOOTOFFICERS3152003frontpage.gif

    Because of course because it came from the left.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  9. The Colorado shooter (Both of them, really) is insane, an obvious schizophrenic. He shot from INSIDE the PP building which is a fortress, at people OUTSIDE. There are some stories that he was actually after the bank next door and was chased into the PP building.

    The Narrative will not be stopped.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  10. he is three cups of crazy, perhaps four, Canada is of course, where speech codes, reached an orwellian crescendo, asked steyn and levant,

    narciso (732bc0)

  11. Ah, the final solution is reported. The pro-choice cult is understandably anxious.

    And what to make of clinical cannibalism? That too has a long and morbid history.

    In case anyone is triggered, just remember, right characterization, wrong problem set. Don’t run amuck, because you will be aborted… and probably sodomized and cannibalized, too.

    And don’t puff the hallucinatory dragon. Not in Colorado or anywhere else it is legal. You don’t know what is has been laced with. Keep Colorado weird, or is that Portland?

    Morally sane people of the world, unite!

    n.n (0b901a)

  12. From Dana’s post:

    [Colorado Governor] Hickenlooper said, “Certainly it’s a form of terrorism, and maybe in some way it’s a function of the inflammatory rhetoric we see on all — so many issues now, there are bloggers and talk shows where they really focus on trying to get people to that point of boiling over. Just intense anger. Maybe it’s time to look at how do we tone down some that rhetoric.

    That’s some pretty amazing blogging and talk radio if it could reach a man who reportedly lived for years in a shack in North Carolina that did not have electricity, and for the past year lived in a trailer in Colorado that barely had electricity and probably did not have internet service.

    DRJ (15874d)

  13. And one more for the road…

    Huh. Google returned “one for my baby”. How eerily ironic. Stay pro-choice, Google.

    A human life is priceless (e.g. intrinsic value) until a woman and her abortionist or planner appraise its value taken as a whole, as individual body parts, clumps of cells, etc.

    It’s a tragicomedy that can only take place in The Penumbra.

    Keep it morally sane.

    n.n (0b901a)

  14. the first wave of stoners gave us gary hart, who never had a clue, and richard lamm who occasionally had one, (he was prescient about immigration, among other things,

    narciso (732bc0)

  15. To your point, DRJ, the CMP videos have also been blamed for the shooting spree – does anyone really believe that Dear had internet hookup at his outposts and watched the videos???

    Dana (86e864)

  16. telepathy, Dana, clearly, some ideas are so doubleunplusgood, that they echo in the skull,

    narciso (732bc0)

  17. Truth through repetition. A tried and true method for propagating lies.

    nk (dbc370)

  18. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: At this busy time in my life, I just want to express my undying appreciation to Dana for channeling my thoughts of the last couple of days so precisely. I keep intending to do a post that says: we condemn the lunatic’s violence but that doesn’t mean we have to be silent about Planned Parenthood’s atrocities. I’m thankful Dana made the time to make the point and make it well.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  19. There is no reason that the spirit of Thanksgiving can’t outlast the day. I am very thankful for the amazing guest posters I have, and the excellent community here.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  20. Agreed, Patterico. Great post, Dana.

    Here is the thing that gets me.

    Position “A”: all the anti-PP rhetoric is sure to lead to nutcases going crazy and killing people, so there better be less anti-PP rhetoric.

    Position “B”: all the #BlackLivesMatter rhetoric will NOT lead to nutcases going crazy and killing people, so we should encourage it. Free speech, you know.

    Huh?

    Strange thing, these days. Every attempt to restrict speech goes against the Right, and every attempt to protect speech seems to work for the Left. It’s almost as if there is a, well, political agenda.

    Klavan gets over the top sometimes, but I think he is onto something here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s

    I think that people carry Teh Narrative around with them. So it is hard to look at difficult truths squarely. This business is another example.

    Simon Jester (91dabe)

  21. in the Castro brother’s plantation, they called it ‘la colatilla’ the little tail, a tag that told you crimethink was ahead, I imagine Luna Federation had similar arrangements,

    narciso (732bc0)

  22. It amazes me that the narrative has already coalesced around this being an attack on Planned Parenthood. The timeline of the shootings, victims taken from the scene for medical care, etc clearly shows that he didn’t get to PP until near the very end of his spree, and none of the victims were PP employees or patients. The MFM narrative is more important than the actual effin facts.

    JD (3b5483)

  23. in the event of a nuclear attack, they would debate first the existence of, and the direction of a fallout cloud, oh and blame bush, or whichever two minute hate they’ve conjured up,

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. It amazes me that the narrative has already coalesced around this being an attack on Planned Parenthood. The timeline of the shootings, victims taken from the scene for medical care, etc clearly shows that he didn’t get to PP until near the very end of his spree, and none of the victims were PP employees or patients. The MFM narrative is more important than the actual effin facts.

    We shouldn’t be amazed. It should be the expectation. It was a golden opportunity handed to them on a silver platter. They live for opportunities like this. On the right, we are concerned with trivial matters like waiting for investigations to actually take place, evidence, corroboration, witness statements, etc. You know, facts, not mere speculation to suit a narrative. This is how the left wins. This is how they get ahead. This is how skilled and brazen they are.

    The question is, how does the right overcome? Mike K said upthread: the narrative will not be stopped.

    It might not be able to be stopped, but surely it can be countered and diminished. But what is the best way to regain control over a runaway narrative?

    Dana (86e864)

  25. Stand up to it, just like you did in this post.

    DRJ (15874d)

  26. Videos of ACTUAL PLANNNED PARENTHOOD (The Death Hut) atrocities speak for themselves.
    The LEFT doesn’t want the truth to be shown. They support the SLAUGHTER, but don’t want YOU to actually SEE IT. If you see what 500 MILLLLLLLLLLLION dollars of your tax money is paying for, you may object. You cannot object to the MARXIST HORDE.
    If the video’s had shown little doggie parts being laughed about and sold, and PETA had acted violently. The LIBTARD LEFT would defend it.

    GUS (7cc192)

  27. drj

    I’ve been to, well mostly through Hartsel on the way from the Springs to Buena Vista, Salida.
    There used to be a place there that sold tamales out of an old wooden ramshackle that weren’t bad and they did a pretty good roadside business. But other than that, the place was a pretty bleak outpost sitting in the middle of the huge area of South Park.
    South park has some buffalo ranchers near the crossroad and what must have looked like heaven in the summer when cattle were driven up from Texas in the summers… 1000 square miles of nothing but grass and water… of course if you live there now, there is nothing but grass and water… until there is nothing but blowing snow and ice.
    The people who live out in trailers out on the edge of thin woods do so for reasons that do not require a lot of social interaction.
    Everyone out there seems to own a rifle and some jumper cables and for 99.99% of them this is a good thing.
    This guy Dear seems like an oddball even out there, where oddballs go to get away from what we call normal. My guess is we find out he was a devotee of Lyndon LaRouche

    steveg (fed1c9)

  28. @MD 3

    When did CMP or any other prominent pro-life advocate or organization publicly call for violence against abortion providers?
    Show me.

    Presenting: Joshua Feuerstein. He preaches / makes videos on youtube and has quite a facebook following with almost 2million likes and 250k reported by FB as talking about him. He can be found here: http://joshuafeuerstein.t83.net/ claiming 250k daily followers and an outreach of 5million people.

    He has since taken down the video this came from but for your viewing pleasure it has been mirrored. LINK Now yes this is just a snippet, but remember the original video has been taken down. This is not the way someone who has been misunderstood or misquoted behaves.

    Ok MD. Ive shown you what you asked for. Now what?

    Sure the incitement of “fying pigs like bacon” is outrageous. But so is this. Two wrongs dont make a right. I assume we all condemn Joshua for his incitement as well right? Lets be honest with this kind of outreach it is not unreasonable to expect someone to take this seriously.

    -Gil

    Gil (4e1585)

  29. Joshua Feuerstein is such a prominent pro-life advocate I have never heard of him
    until you mentioned him, Gil.

    Has he ever been invited to give a guest lecture at Harvard Divinity School like the
    leader of the #BlackLivesMatter movement?

    The “Black Lives Matter” leader who landed a teaching gig at Yale University delivered a lecture this week on the historical merits of looting as a form of protest, backing up his lesson with required reading that puts modern-day marauders on par with the patriots behind the Boston Tea Party.

    DeRay McKesson, who was hired by the Ivy League institution’s divinity school to lecture for two days on “Transformational Leadership in the #BlackLivesMatter Movement,” had students read an essay written at the height of the rioting and looting that plagued the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson just over a year ago after a white police officer shot and killed a black man.

    Just because you can do an internet search and find someone with a homepage who is also on
    Facebook doesn’t make that person prominent, Gil. That’s the kind of game you like to play,
    though. DeRay McKesson appears on TV, meets with Democratic candidates, and has an actual
    and not a virtual following of thousands in his organization. He’s a nutcase just like that
    Feurstein twit, but McKesson has achieved national prominence while the other guy has not.

    So let’s define prominence. Find an actual news story about a prominent pro-life advocate
    who has called for violence against abortion providers, perhaps a video clip of him or her
    doing it on at least a cable news network that we’ve heard of.

    Oh, and I know you, Gil. So, no, finding some loon ranting on some local public access TV show at three in the morning doesn’t count as “appearing on TV news.”

    This counts as appearing on TV news:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMJG_dLYQBk

    DeRay Mckesson speaks to CNN about death threats from Charles Johnson

    Like DeRay McKesson, I don’t like CNN. But unlike Joshua Feuerstein I’ve actually seen it.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  30. Forgot the link to the Divinity school story.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/08/black-lives-leader-defends-looting-in-yale-lecture/?intcmp=hpbt3

    And it was Yale, not Harvard. Whichever it was it’s further evidence that sending your kid to an Ivy League school is like flushing a house payment down the toilet.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  31. McKesson as usual is just whining, as he didn’t get an actual death threat. When someone sends out actual death threats more happens to the threatener than just Twitter suspending their account. This is what happens when someone sends out an actual threat.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/30/student-arrested-threat-kill-white-devils-university-chicago/

    UPDATE: The U.S. Attorney’s office for the Northern District of Illinois has released the name of the suspect. Jabari R. Dean is 21 years old and was arrested Monday morning “without incident.” Dean has been charged with “transmitting a threat in interstate commerce,” which carries a maximum 5-year sentence if he is convicted.

    The criminal complaint in the case states that when the FBI confronted Dean, he admitted to having made the threat using a cell phone. He said he removed it himself shortly thereafter, but by that point a screenshot had already been relayed to the FBI.

    There have been a number of reports about how the atmosphere on college and university campuses is increasingly toxic. For white students, particularly white men.

    But in any case if you make an actual threat on social media you get arrested and charged. According to the complaint this is the text of the threat as captured in the FBI screen shot (I didn’t want to give Buzzfeed the traffic but everyone else cleans up the spelling and grammar):

    “This is my only warning. At 10 am. on Monday mourning (sic) I am going to the campus quad of the University of Chicago.

    I will be armed with a Carbine and 2 Desert Eagles all fully loaded. I will execute aproximately (sic) 16 white male students and or staff, which is the same number of time (sic) Mcdonald (sic) was killed. I then will die killing any number of white policemen that I can in the process.

    This is not a joke. I am to do my part to rid the world of the white devils. . I expect you to do the same…”

    There are a number of disturbing things about this threat message. In particular, what the h3ll was this guy doing in college? He was 21 years old, which means he couldn’t have been a freshman. And he writes like this?

    Mconald was killed sixteen times? Excuse me, “same number of time McDonald was killed?”

    Steve57 (a13395)

  32. The left has no credibility whatsoever when groaning about inflammatory speech. They’re like hookers complaining about people who are spreading STDs.

    Mark (f713e4)

  33. These students have a point. They have experienced racism. If we are willing to call affirmative action what it is; racism.

    They get admitted to colleges and universities that they never would have gotten into solely on the basis of their SAT scores (which are the best indicator of success in college). They may have high GPAs, but high GPAs don’t mean anything since a 4.0 at one school might be a 2.8 at a more competitive high school (recently 11 Atlanta school teachers and administrators went to prison for falsifying standardized test because their bonuses depend on their kids passing, but they’d rather cheat than teach so they deprived their students of an education for the sake of their bank accounts).

    When they get to college all of a sudden they’re failing. They can’t take the science classes they need to follow their dreams of being a doctor, so they fall back into social studies or, even worse, racial & ethnic & gender & sexuality grievance studies. Where they learn, nothing is their fault. It’s all a huge racist conspiracy against them. And for once the greivance studies professors are right, but not how they mean. If the grievance studies professors want to see who the racial conspirators against their students are, they need to start by looking in the mirror.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  34. lifeydoodle abortion porn isn’t very persuasive really cause of anyone who knows anything about abortion or knows anyone who’s had one knows that the lurid snippets aren’t representative of what the vast majority of real abortions are like

    when doodles go full-on porny porn i think they lose a lot of credibility really

    especially when they smear this stuff in people’s faces during red cup season yuck

    happyfeet (831175)

  35. HF, you are a cancerous disease. But you already knew that.

    John Hitchcock (09271a)

  36. you’re a pooper

    happyfeet (831175)

  37. What Steve57 said, Gil.

    Question, had you ever heard of him before you looked for it?

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  38. Is this inflammatory: “I think that all abortionists should be pulled apart with pincers. While alive. Without anesthesia. The head from the neck last.”

    Should we add: “We’ll probably need a Constitutional Amendment to be able to do that, though”?

    Just asking.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. lifeydoodle abortion porn isn’t very persuasive really cause of anyone who knows anything about abortion or knows anyone who’s had one knows that the lurid snippets aren’t representative of what the vast majority of real abortions are like

    happyfeet (831175) — 12/1/2015 @ 3:00 am

    Interesting. So you know people who’ve had them and talked about what they’re like with them? Or do you have some other way of knowing?

    Gerald A (5dca03)

  40. So you know people who’ve had them and talked about what they’re like with them?

    well yeah several people i know have had abortions for different reasons

    i don’t really understand the question

    happyfeet (831175)

  41. i don’t really understand the question

    happyfeet (831175) — 12/1/2015 @ 5:45 am

    Did they just volunteer to describe the procedure in detail or did you ply them with questions?

    Gerald A (5dca03)

  42. i wouldn’t say they volunteered except maybe a couple

    most of the people i’ve know who had abortions were people i knew at the time they got pregnant and decided to have an abortion – mostly co-workers, roommates, people i was in school with

    happyfeet (831175)

  43. Roommates?

    nk (dbc370)

  44. Folks, HF just enjoys being offensive, even to people who have been kind and supportive to him. It’s nothing new. That’s who he is. It’s the price we pay for free speech.

    On Patterico’s website, which Patterico pays for. Just sayin’.

    Simon Jester (43116b)

  45. 35. lifeydoodle abortion porn isn’t very persuasive really cause of anyone who knows anything about abortion or knows anyone who’s had one knows that the lurid snippets aren’t representative of what the vast majority of real abortions are like…

    happyfeet (831175) — 12/1/2015 @ 3:00 am

    43.

    Normally I ignore you, but I can’t ignore this. This has to be if not the stupidest one of the revealingly stupidest comments you ever made.

    THEY DIDN’T SHOW ANY ABORTIONS!

    I have news for you, happyfascist. PP doesn’t dissect the baby in the abortion room with the woman watching. They take it in a back room and cut the baby up in to salable parts.

    HTF could your abortion happy friends have described what’s in those videos, since those videos show what happens in the back room, out of sight of the women who had the abortions?

    So you didn’t see the videos. If you had you wouldn’t have stepped on your crank and talked about what happens during an abortion. They didn’t show any, zero, nada abortions. None of the videos were about abortions. The videos is about what happens to the babies carcass later.

    It would be like people making an undercover video of people committing necrophilia in the embalming room of the mortuary. And here comes happyfascist to announce that he’s been to lots of funeral and none of that happens during any of them.

    You’re simply not as bright as a lifeydoodle are you?

    That is all.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  46. i lived with my friend T when i first moved out to anaheim and she got pregnant with a baby so she aborted it but later married the guy and they had a new baby name lil miss k who’s performing in a respectable production of the nutcracker, which is festive

    before that when i went to austin to get established for grad school i stayed with a crazy person – she’d had several abortions then got knocked up by a bus boy and decided *now* is the time to be a mommy

    but like i said she’s a wacko

    happyfeet (831175)

  47. 45. Folks, HF just enjoys being offensive, even to people who have been kind and supportive to him. It’s nothing new. That’s who he is. It’s the price we pay for free speech.

    On Patterico’s website, which Patterico pays for. Just sayin’.

    Simon Jester (43116b) — 12/1/2015 @ 6:03 am

    That’s why I normally just ignore him. But I couldn’t ignore that comment because it was so incredibly stupid. It was like firing off flares and putting up a neon sign that said “I’m happyfascist and I’m such a bonehead I’ve missed the entire point for about a year!”

    Steve57 (a13395)

  48. *named* lil miss k i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  49. @47, any of your abortion friends go in back to the lab and help cut up their aborted kids into nice profitable pieces so they could get the full abortion experience and a nice discount? Like washing dishes in a restaurant if you can’t pay for the meal?

    Because that’s the only way your abortion friends could have seen first-hand what goes on back there and personally told you that the lifeydoodles were totally lying.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  50. the odds of even knowing somebody what was asked to sign a consent form for fetal tissue donation are really small cause of so few planned parenthood clinics participate in these programs

    the misleading propaganda videos try and make it sound like it was really widespread but nope not so much really Mr. 57

    happyfeet (831175)

  51. @51, wrong again. Go back through through the videos and…

    What am I saying? Watch the videos for the very first time. The CMP never claimed all or even many PPs were in the baby parts business. I doubt most of them don’t do abortions in sufficient volume to make it profitable.

    But 1) I’m not going to take PP’s word for how many of their affiliates sell baby parts and 2) during the vids the PP reps mention that they have independent colleagues (not affiliated with PP) who sell baby parts and make a pretty penny doing it.

    So it’s really the Abortion Federation of America that needs to be investigated to get a handle on how widespread the baby part selling is.

    Steve57 (a13395)

  52. Nonono not watching videos again is not festive

    happyfeet (d85e2b)

  53. If we are willing to call affirmative action what it is; racism.

    Or the “soft bigotry of low expectations.”

    Mark (f713e4)

  54. The only people harmed INSIDE the PP clinic were any babies MURDERED by PP employees working inside the clinic on that day.

    They don’t even bother to try and hide their lies any longer.

    WarEagle82 (44dbd0)

  55. @MD & Steve57

    Yes I have heard of him before.
    And it doesnt matter if you’ve heard of him or not, he has a very large following. He claims 5 million, FB has almost 2 million likes, and 250k daily discussions. Even if these estimates are off by 50%, you must agree that the chances dont have to be very high in a following like his that some deranged person would latch on to what he said.

    That said, I suppose you are right, he is not what the mainstream would call prominent, but again it still is very troubling to see. Do you agree?

    To be clear I am not saying all Christians are like this guy. Not even close. But the loonies are out there.

    -Gil

    Gil (4e1585)


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