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11/23/2015

Pew Research Poll: 40% of Millennials Support Speech Bans

Filed under: General — JVW @ 10:50 pm



[guest post by JVW]

The Pew Research Center released the results of a poll last week suggesting that 40% of members of the millennial generation (those born between 1981 and 1997) would support allowing government to ban speech deemed offensive to minorities. That is roughly 50% higher than the percentage of Gen Xers (1965-1980), 67% higher than the percentage of Baby Boomers (1946-1964), and, amazingly, 250% higher than the percentage of members of the Silent Generation (pre-1946) who support these restrictions. I guess we have a pretty good idea of when things started going to hell, don’t we?

In addition, the poll indicates that 7 out of 20 Democrats would support speech restrictions (twice the proportion of Republican support), and nearly 2 in 5 non-white respondents would support the speech restrictions. Here are the poll results in a handy infographic:

FT_15.11.19_speech

As JD would say, we are so screwed.

– JVW

58 Responses to “Pew Research Poll: 40% of Millennials Support Speech Bans”

  1. On the positive side — no, there isn’t really a positive side here.

    JVW (d60453)

  2. When you figure that 40% of millennials support speech bans and nearly 40% of non-whites do as well, can we extrapolate and assume that something like 60% (or more) of non-white millennials likely support banning speech that they find personally offensive? Is that what we are seeing at Mizzou, Dartmouth, Princeton, Claremont-McKenna, Kansas, and other universities around the country?

    JVW (d60453)

  3. Sure there’s a positive side. We found out that people who call themselves Independents are Democrats.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. …can we extrapolate and assume that something like 60% (or more) of non-white millennials likely support banning speech that they find personally offensive?

    We can’t even persuade current Americans to value the Constitution. Why do mainstream conservatives believe they’ll do better with the next X million immigrants?

    scrutineer (b7d257)

  5. This story has been told already:

    Lord of the Flies

    But too few read it. Certainly all these college presidents who resign at the first minor riot would benefit from considering what a world run by children would really be like.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  6. I dunno, I talk daily with millennials and they seem unguarded with regard to their own speech.

    What comes around goes around.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-23/5-signs-americas-decaying-society

    Turkish F-16s shot down a Russian MIG last night kinda sorta in no-man’s-airspace.

    Big helpings of WTF? all around.

    DNF (ffe548)

  7. We can’t even persuade current Americans to value the Constitution. Why do mainstream conservatives believe they’ll do better with the next X million immigrants?

    Thank you scrutineer! I’ve been saying that for years. The fact there’s so may of these idiots from so may demos proves Goebels was right about public education. Give the kids to the government to educate as early as possible and you’ll get government drones. Oh, and seditionists. I’m shocked!

    Anyone who doesn’t home school is committing psychological child abuse.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  8. It was a Sukhoi SU-24 to be exact. It was shot down over cannibal territory. The pilots ejected, but one of them was shot by the cannibals as he was parachuting down and the other was captured with fate unknown. But Erdogan can be secure in the knowledge that two strong Presidents in the NATO alliance, Obama and Hollande, have his back and will fully support him against Putin.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. It was a Sukhoi SU-24 to be exact…

    If it was an SU-24, ballsy to take on a fighter. I don’t know if it was one v one dissimilar.

    Mebbe.

    One thing I learned in the Navy. Never underestimate your enemy.

    Steve57 (a277a7)

  10. “…250% higher than the percentage of members of the Silent Generation (pre-1946)….”

    “Silent Generation” Really? I’ve been called a lot of things, but silent was not one of them.
    A silent generation being least in favor of curtailing speech; sounds odd.

    Gramps (bc022b)

  11. They will throw out the constitution when they get the reins of power. Speech and guns – we are finished.

    Janetoo (0c6e40)

  12. Children are foolish. It’s always been that way and, God willing, America will always be affluent enough that our future children can be foolish, too.

    But there are at least two things different about this generation. One is that Obama has damaged our economy so much that our children aren’t able to start jobs and their adult lives until they are in their 30s instead of their 20s. This means they stay children, with children’s foolishness, for a much longer period.

    The other thing is that we tell all children they need to go to college, whether they want to or not, and the lack of jobs makes them more likely to go to college. I think college is a good thing but it is not good at giving people actual job skills. College grads still need on-the-job training in order to do most jobs — often with the support of mentors, training, or some form of apprenticeship or internship. That happens with doctors and lawyers and there used to be workers in every line of work who would take the new kids under their wings, but that doesn’t happen much now. The older workers are laid off or working 18-hour days to meet productivity demands, and no one has time to hold the younger workers hands’ and guide them.

    I’ve read several recent articles about how needy Millenials are and I know that’s true, but we were needy once, too. Most of us had employers, co-workers and family who helped us transition into the work force. Colleges have convinced today’s grads that they don’t need mentoring. But they do.

    DRJ (15874d)

  13. The older workers are laid off or working 18-hour days to meet productivity demands, and no one has time to hold the younger workers hands’ and guide them.

    Another aspect would be the attitude of these youngsters who think they know better than their elders and do not seek to be protoge’s.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  14. Seems the first thing government controlled education teaches is that one needs more government controlled education. Then it teaches kids there is no possible way they can work a job and go to school. If that brainwashing fails they convince lawmakers to raise minimum wages high enough to make it impossible to hire school age trainees. Then they feed the kids and their parents “low interest college loans”. Wonderful, now college seems “free”. Then they graduate with a BA in B.S. and are not qualified to earn money except driving for Uber. They start crying about paying back the student loans they squandered on a worthless education. So the schools have turned out a bunch of crying snowlakes who need safe spaces to drink their $8 Starbucks coffee while badmouthing the people who work, pay taxes and support their worthless asses. The cycle of government education is complete when they enter the booth and vote democrat.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  15. GAAAAH! “proteges.” Maybe I think of them as proto-proteges.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  16. The silver-lining would be that the snowflakes are turning on their brain-washers.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  17. Gramps, the term “the Silent Generation” has been around for as long as I’ve been aware of the concept of generations. According to Wikipedia, the term was coined by Time Magazine in 1951 — and in my understanding of it, it’s generally meant to refer to people who grew up in the shadow of the GI Generation.

    aphrael (4eae3a)

  18. The major problem with this is you cannot underestimate what people find offensive. There are simply too many pussies in the world (or at least in the US) today.

    Jim (a9b7c7)

  19. DRJ – I’ve had an odd career path and have never really had a ‘mentor’ as a result of it, and there are still times where I feel like I could use one.

    One of the wierdest things for me, honestly, is watching 20-something gay software professionals be mentored by 40-soemthing gay software professionals; this *wasn’t possible* when I was a 20-something gay professional, because the people who would have been 40-something gay professionals in my day would have all been dead.

    aphrael (4eae3a)

  20. DNF and nk: a NATO ally shooting down a Russian warplane over an alleged territorial violation (I say alleged because it’s really unclear to me whose story I should believe, there) is one of the most terrifying scenarios imagineable, and one of the most threatening to the international peace.

    Today is a very, very bad day.

    aphrael (4eae3a)

  21. So 20 years ago all the gay professionals over twenty were dead? Who was killing them off? As I recall about 20 years ago The Birdcage was out and La Cage aux Folles was already twenty years old.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  22. What makes it dangerous is that it’s Turkey, the only NATO ally that Obama would consider defending.

    DRJ (15874d)

  23. Yes, they were dying of AIDS which they had contracted often before it was known that it existed,
    Not that they were being hunted down by haters.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (4a071b)

  24. yes, and the Sultan, has been at least indifferent to the jayvee’s growth for the longest time, as with the Salafi militias in Libya.

    narciso (732bc0)

  25. I guess you have a point there, DRJ, if he would live up to NATO responsibilities it would likely be for Turkey and no one else.

    My bet is he will respond the same way as everything else, pontificating, posturing, and doing what is necessary to score political points domestically.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (4a071b)

  26. MD, absolutely. I do not mean to imply they were being hunted down by haters. I’m describing the surreal experience of having *nobody* older than me to look up to and to mentor me, not trying to cast aspersions on the reasons for it. The reasons are clear: AIDS more or less wiped out the entire generation of gay men who came of age in the 1960s and 1970s.

    It wasn’t universally true; some people survived. But they were small as a percentage of the gay population, and they were vanishingly small as a percentage of the overall population – which meant when I entered the workforce in the early 1990s, there were very, very few gay mentors available.

    So it’s a wierd thing to watch all the big tech companies have explicitly structured mentorship programs for young gay employees. It’s not a *bad* thing, it’s just … surreal.

    aphrael (4eae3a)

  27. aphrael, I seriously blame France. Not only because it was France who got us into a proxy war with Russia in its former colony in Vietnam. Greece was inveigled by France into going to war against Turkey in 1919-1922 and then went back on its promise of support. The parallels are striking, including 3 million Greek-descended refugees which Turkey ejected out of Asia Minor in retaliation. Hollande wants Assad out and he’s the one who’s been leading Jean Francois and Barack Hussein down the Syrian mine field.

    nk (dbc370)

  28. Down the Syrian mine field telling him that it’s a garden path.

    nk (dbc370)

  29. Understood, aphrael,
    But it did sound a bit like you were blaming someone if one was not clued in.
    I graduated med school in 84, residency in Philly 84-87, when the problem mushroomed.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (4a071b)

  30. I’m (thankfully) too young to have lived through it – I graduated from high school in 1991 – but it’s such an ENORMOUS background fact in my life that I tend to forget that there are people who aren’t aware of it.

    aphrael (4eae3a)

  31. well it’s not a majority yet, but with gramsci and marcuse, being all three meals of the day, how long can crimethink prevail,

    narciso (732bc0)

  32. you can only dial to eleven, so far though,

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=360252

    narciso (732bc0)

  33. suggesting that 40% of members of the millennial generation (those born between 1981 and 1997) would support allowing government to ban speech

    And you can bet dollars to donuts (a goofy cliche whose meaning I’ve never really understood) that just about all of that 40% reflects the mindset of people who generally lean left. Or merely another illustration that such bias certainly — most definitely — doesn’t make a person truly more tolerant, along with not making a person truly more generous or truly more compassionate. But liberalism continually does illustrate the theory that such bias is a form of mental illness (Hi, Bill and Hillary, Hi, Barry, etc!).

    Hollande wants Assad out and he’s the one who’s been leading Jean Francois and Barack Hussein down the Syrian mine field.

    What the hell is that all about?! I’ve never understood any of the angst over a typical Middle-Eastern dictator managing the affairs of Syria in light of all the other dictators (I believe Bashar al-Assad at least doesn’t have the “feeding people through plastic shredders” reputation of Iraq’s former leader) and terrorist groups roiling that part of the world. Even more so since a nation like France is full of so much knuckle-headed kum-ba-yah liberalism. Although closer to this side of the globe, squishy Republicans like John McCain are no less baffling and annoying to me about this particular controversy.

    Mark (74fce8)

  34. There are so many profound things in life that most people do not know about unless they have 1st hand experience of some kind.
    I bet the Berlin Wall coming down was not really a big deal to you.

    I know someone who as a young girl was on the last plane out of Saigon, not all her family made it out,
    I knew someone who lost all of his fingers pulling hand grenade pins on a mountain top in Korea (Silver star)
    Met a few people whose parents had survived WWII Germany, some pressed into Nazi uniforms as young teens, emotional devastation through the generations.

    Was amazed the first time I saw the movie “The War at Home”, couldn’t believe that there were real violent anarchists wanting to destroy the college campus I walked on.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080118/
    (That picture of National Guard troops in battle gear was in front of a Central spot on campus that I walked by at least 3 times a week, (if not twice that or more, near the Chem building, my dorm away from dorm)

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  35. Roe v Wade was not a big deal to me as a high school student when it passed. I didn’t have much foresight then.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  36. it was that butterfly in classic chaos theory, I have read widely, more then I have experienced,
    plus I had uncles who drowned in the florida straits, met others who were in the umap camps,

    narciso (732bc0)

  37. hollande-in-qatar-for-talks-on-syria-economy

    I recall an essay penned by Bill Kristol back around 2009 at how Obama was the worst of both worlds when it came to the amoral, greedy nature of Wall Street, irritating people on both the left (such as one of the major liberal columnists at the New York Times) and right unhappy about and opposed to crony capitalism.

    In a similar vein, I think of leftists like France’s president and how, once again, on those rare occasions when stereotypical liberals might not be such a bad thing if they act like stereotypical liberals (in this case, by being anti-war peaceniks), even then they’re not worth a damn.

    Mark (74fce8)

  38. and we see the fruits of their efforts,

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3392/qatar-france

    those who disdain their faith, the attacks were not from notre dame cathedral, and their history,
    like santayana said,

    narciso (732bc0)

  39. MD in Philly, at 36, you’d lose that bet. :)

    I took German in high school (1987-1991), from a teacher who had the unique skill of inspiring her students to care *because of her energy and enthusiasm*. She was a first-generation German immigrant, having come to the country as a refugee after WW2. (She died last year; her obituary is at http://www.monroviaweekly.com/current-news/legendary-monrovia-teacher-marianne-campbell-dead/).

    I don’t think it was possible to be her student and have the Berlin Wall coming down NOT be a big thing.

    My husband, on the other hand, who is several years younger than me … it’s meaningless to him.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  40. Great story, great woman. Thanks, aphrael.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  41. Well, aphrael, we are both correct.
    You knew the importance because you had a first hand contact to the event.
    I didn’t know they still taught German in high school by then…
    und Guten Tag

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  42. Got you both beat. Two years of German in college, straight As; and I’ll be having Thanksgiving dinner with Vietnamese boat person who was born on the boat in the China Sea.

    nk (dbc370)

  43. I imagine that person is thankful, nk.
    I did take through a 4th semester of German in college, though the last was not conversational but technical reading,
    once upon a time not everything scientific had been translated into English, especially German organic chemistry…

    nk, my daughter is going to her first high school (homecoming) dance tonight…
    having children gives much opportunity for prayer

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  44. having children gives much opportunity for prayer
    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 11/24/2015 @ 11:46 am

    I guess this is why “Viny Barbarino” always referred to his mother as being a Saint. She had to pray so much on his account.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  45. aphrael

    the people who would have been 40-something gay professionals in my day would have all been dead….AIDS more or less wiped out the entire generation of gay men who came of age in the 1960s and 1970s.

    It wasn’t universally true; some people survived. But they were small as a percentage of the gay population, and they were vanishingly small as a percentage of the overall population….I graduated from high school in 1991

    I am not sure some people would be happy with the conclusions you could draw from these facts.

    1. Number of homosexuals who had died of AIDS by the end of 1991: Almost exactly 100,000.

    If they were 1/3 of all homosexuals alive in 1980, that would make the total in the United states 300,000. But it was probably less.

    2. Number of adult males in the United States around the year 1980: 100 million.

    A little elementary arithmetic gives you:

    3. Percentage of adult males who were homosexuals:

    Less than 300,000/ 100 million = 0.3%

    Not 10%, not 2% not 1% but less than one third of one percent. If half had died by that point, it’s 0.2%. If two thirds had died it is 0.15%

    You can make the same kind of calculation these days using the number of gay marriages and an estimate for the percentage of homosexuals who have married.

    We have, or can get, the number of marriages. Input an estimate for the percentage. We then get an absolute number, and can divide that by the total population and can get a percentage.

    A big aim of the “gay rights” lobby in the 1980s I think, was to prevent anybody from making that calculation. There are further conclusions you can draw from such a low number.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  46. MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 11/24/2015 @ 9:33 am

    (That picture of National Guard troops in battle gear was in front of a Central spot on campus that I walked by at least 3 times a week, (if not twice that or more, near the Chem building, my dorm away from dorm)

    Barack Obama used to hang out at the Butler library at Columbia University when he was a student. This was assumed to be one of the two places the weathermen wanted to destroy – that and/or the Low Library.

    When Bill Ayers met Barack Obama he changed (or “revealed”) the target to have (really) been Fort Dix. The time when the Weathermen came forth with their 1970 target is just about thetime when Bill Ayers met Barack Obama.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  47. Tried to get through to a millennial “friend” about how foolish these speech bans, privilege claims, microaggressions, cultural appropriations claims, and on and on really are and she kept trying to say I was wrong and didn’t understand. After all, I’m white, male and have privilege.

    It ended in the way you’d expect with a millennial. She cursed me out and called me names. The indoctrination is strong with this generation.

    I never understood how Mao was able to indoctrinate his red guards into being such devout and rabid followers. Now I understand.

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  48. She said whatever she defined culture as was important and must be “respected” which is defined by the other person, but that the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were just pieces of paper. Also, white people, especially Americans, don’t have any culture so they can’t talk.

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  49. While not at all universal, nor consistently lived out,
    I propose that the fundamental idea in Western culture is that there is a God,
    And You and I are not Him
    And He has created a universe which has order both in physical nature and in the moral and spiritual realms.

    Even the deists would agree to that.

    Many refuse to acknowledge that, so they will believe anything but,
    And it is not surprising that they can get quite worked up over it,
    Just as the crowd did with Jesus.

    Now, if one wants to say that those who hold such a view, or at least claim to, have often done a terrible job living consistently with it and so have been their own worst enemy,
    I agree
    But then again, people who believed in those things were responsible for fighting slavery, championing the worth of the individual, establishing hospitals, etc.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (deca84)

  50. Good points, NJRob.

    DRJ (15874d)

  51. At least she’s committed to her values, NJRob. The difficult part is understanding why young people choose these values. I think it’s primarily due to peer pressure. Studies show that young people are more susceptible than adults to peer pressure, which I assume makes them easier to indoctrinate. I think Obama’s weak economy, coupled with his willingness to encourage his supporters to act like adolescents, makes it more likely they will be easy to manipulate into their 30s or beyond. Perhaps that’s his goal.

    DRJ (15874d)

  52. One just walked by outside. It couldn’t decide whether it was Clint Eastwood or Toshiro Mifune. It was a wearing a Mexican serape and had its hair up in a topknot. I say “it” because I can’t make up my mind whether it was a boy or a girl. And here’s a short video of Ron Swanson on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL_azA78Hi0

    nk (dbc370)

  53. The difficult part is understanding why young people choose these values.

    I don’t necessarily believe they do choose those values. I think these values are thrust upon them by the education establishment then ground into them by the entertainment and media cabal. I too have run across brain dead kids who were mad about the way we treat Mexican immigrants and when I asked if America is so bad, hates minorities, has no culture, is full of greedy bastards why are millions trying to immigrate here? She stared like a deer then replied “No they’re not”. Right after pointing out and defending 11 million illegal Mexicans! This was a friend’s daughter so I pointed out that first she claimed we are a lousy country and when I pointed out if we’re lousy why do all these folks want in so she denied immigration. A idiot. How does one deal with that?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  54. At least she’s committed to her values, NJRob. The difficult part is understanding why young people choose these values. I think it’s primarily due to peer pressure. Studies show that young people are more susceptible than adults to peer pressure, which I assume makes them easier to indoctrinate. I think Obama’s weak economy, coupled with his willingness to encourage his supporters to act like adolescents, makes it more likely they will be easy to manipulate into their 30s or beyond. Perhaps that’s his goal.

    DRJ (15874d) — 11/25/2015 @ 6:30 am

    So were Mao’s children. That’s what made them dangerous. Everyone jokes about how close we are to a new civil war, but with the inability of the new generations to learn to differentiate good from evil, I think we are closer than most assume.

    She also was outraged that I said and defended the belief that some cultures are superior to others and if a culture couldn’t survive, it deserved to die. It was almost hysterical to see how puffed up she got.

    I mentioned Wahabbi Islam as an example and she didn’t even acknowledge it.

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  55. I don’t think she even knew what Wahhabism is other than brown people equals oppressed. And she wouldn’t accept a white guy telling her anything about a “brown culture.”

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  56. You COULD look at this data and say “It looks like people understand more as they get older” which would hardly be surprising. God only knows the Boomers aren’t the sex-crazed drug addicts they were in the 60’s; they even tend Republican.

    Kevin M (25bbee)


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