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11/10/2015

FOX Business Network & Wall Street Journal GOP Debate Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:21 pm



[guest post by Dana]

The eight top-tier candidates tonight, include: Kasich, Bush, Rubio, Trump, Carson, Cruz, Fiorina and Paul. You can follow it at the FOX website.

(I hope the candidates take a moment to call out the MSM for their lies and terrible treatment of Ben Carson the past two weeks.)

–Dana

278 Responses to “FOX Business Network & Wall Street Journal GOP Debate Open Thread”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. I won’t be watching the debate, though I’d like to (Foxbiz not available in my area, and my internet connection is way too slow for streaming). I’ve been checking fox news and others to see if the under-card debate is on any other channel, no luck so far.

    I hope the debate goes well, and isn’t a hit job like the CNBC one.

    Arizona CJ (331a26)

  3. Megyn Kelly was asked what she expects from the debate tonight.

    She said” “What we expected from the first debate, a robust. substantive discussion of the economy.” blah. blah, blah. If she expected that from the first debate, she should have asked robust substantive questions in the first debate!

    felipe (56556d)

  4. Jindall is turning me off. He says Christ is changing the subject – talking about hillary…

    Well, yeah. That’s what I, as an Independent, want to hear.

    felipe (56556d)

  5. megyn needs to understand when people ask her what she thinks they’re just being polite

    stupid bim

    happyfeet (831175)

  6. Teh Fat Man’s eyein’ Jindal like he’s a big bowl of gumbo.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  7. I love my filter! I don’t know what HF said, but I’m sure it was about Megyn – and not nice.

    felipe (56556d)

  8. Just an educated guess.

    felipe (56556d)

  9. calling it a top-tier debate while having low-energy hyper-entitled bushfilth on the stage is to grossly mischaracterize this event i think

    i find this very troubling

    happyfeet (831175)

  10. Interesting – they are talking about Reince. Why?

    felipe (56556d)

  11. i love it that huckabee’s not there

    this is very good for the Team R brand, not having Huckabee there

    happyfeet (831175)

  12. STFU, Lou! you are most inelegant.

    felipe (56556d)

  13. “The colored guard is colored – who made them the colored guard?”

    -Oh brother, where art thou?

    felipe (56556d)

  14. ok so we need to talk about kleenexes

    happyfeet (831175)

  15. The Fat Man says when he’s in the White House, he’ll have your back… and your front… and your sides… in fact, he’ll squeeze the life right outta you.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  16. this is the future we were promised

    i had to find out on the street nobody tells me anything

    i’d stocked up on kleenexes in LA and gave them away when i moved so I guess I wasn’t on the cutting edge of kleenex technology

    but now i am and it’s a pretty awesome place to be

    happyfeet (831175)

  17. Ted’s rockin the sammin tie

    happyfeet (831175)

  18. Thanks, Neil, good gravitas.

    felipe (56556d)

  19. hah very good question to put to Mr. The Donald about the minimum wage

    and BAM Mr. The Donald knocks it out of the park!

    you can see the awe on the faces in the theater

    yeah they’re smelling what the rock is cookin

    happyfeet (831175)

  20. Great answer, Ben.

    felipe (56556d)

  21. WOW, Rubio is out of the gate at warp speed. His words per minute is through the roof!

    felipe (56556d)

  22. So far there are no rude interruptions from the moderators – I like it.

    felipe (56556d)

  23. sleazio’s doing that college forensics hand motion again

    so over that

    oh for the love of kellogg’s raisin bran wtf does marco sleazio know about starting a business?

    happyfeet (831175)

  24. Apparently Twitchy Kasich is for increasing the minimum wage. Good thing he has zero chance. Get off the stage, Twitchy.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  25. Oh God he’s still going.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  26. Patterico (86c8ed) — 11/10/2015 @ 6:13 pm

    HEH.

    felipe (56556d)

  27. My eyes are glazing over… Kasich… you bastard!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. Hi, everyone! I have tomorrow off (technically) but will still be working — but tonight I’m with you, watching this nonsense!

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  29. kasich is absurd he’s flappering about he looks like big bird

    he has a website!

    he has moral purpose!

    what a joke.

    someone should make pee pee on his head

    happyfeet (831175)

  30. Blinkich

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. Did he say “thrice”?

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  32. Kasich, steppin’ on toes.

    felipe (56556d)

  33. Yes, he did.

    felipe (56556d)

  34. That lighting powerfully exposes Cruz’s thinning hair.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  35. Bartiromo always has that “rode hard and put away wet” look goin’ on.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  36. SOUND MONEY! HE SAID IT AGAIN!!!

    I love this guy.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  37. oh goodness jeb’s super-puckered tonight

    happyfeet (831175)

  38. Jeb almost looked like he was going to poofterslap Kasich.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  39. Yeah, that was a strange exchange between those two.

    felipe (56556d)

  40. Repeal it like a bad orange, says Jeb!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. Where’d the Eurotrash come from!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. Democrats are better at creating the fiction of jobs.

    felipe (56556d)

  43. the green works very very well for carlycakes

    i wonder how much her earrings cost

    happyfeet (831175)

  44. Lotsa “do you want fries with that?” jobs, I reckon.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. that collar on her top though with the weird placement of the pin

    she looks like a star trek enterprise hooch

    happyfeet (831175)

  46. “This country must help a President Fiorina..” Let’s try that on for size.

    felipe (56556d)

  47. Oh, here we go with the income inequality pandering. Starts with Rand and I already know Cruz is on board for that crap too.

    Ah, but Rand mentions the Fed. Gets points for that.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  48. i wonder how much her earrings cost

    I called Planned Parenthood and they said a liver and two brains.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. yeah the eurotrash dude is boring

    i like Mr. Cavuto and the pretty lady way more better

    happyfeet (831175)

  50. Thank yous for watching it for me, will check back in the morning.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  51. Yes, “thank you. drive through.”

    felipe (56556d)

  52. They’d clash with your red eyes, happy. And you couldn’t afford ’em.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. no way Mr. nk these are way way more than that

    she probably had to use layaway

    happyfeet (831175)

  54. oh poor Rand go home

    run for Senate

    this was a bad idea

    happyfeet (831175)

  55. I’m watching online and the stream just abruptly stops at each commercial break.

    felipe (56556d)

  56. Is Cruz on stage tonight or is fox ignoring him as usual.

    mg (31009b)

  57. yes that’s gonna make it really easy to bail on this here in a few

    happyfeet (831175)

  58. lispy fruit loop dr. ben carson should go be the new president of those mizzou losers

    happyfeet (831175)

  59. Nice rhetorical ju jutsu by Carson.

    nk (dbc370)

  60. Remember the Alamo!

    nk (dbc370)

  61. Kasich: “THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!”

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  62. Kasich, “Think of the children!”

    nk (dbc370)

  63. Heh!

    nk (dbc370)

  64. i remember the basement.

    felipe (56556d)

  65. uh, oh. Losing control.

    felipe (56556d)

  66. I everybody wearing a red tie?

    nk (dbc370)

  67. Trump Derangement syndrome!

    felipe (56556d)

  68. Bush, “No can do, no, no.”

    nk (dbc370)

  69. Learn English!

    felipe (56556d)

  70. Rubio is firing on all cylinders. Where he is going is up -in the polls.

    felipe (56556d)

  71. Great, the cliff question.

    felipe (56556d)

  72. Rubio reminds me of Alfalfa of spanky and our gang.

    mg (31009b)

  73. Yes, mg, he looks like a little rascal.

    felipe (56556d)

  74. immigration is boring we know who’s the real deal on immigration and we know who’s the lying bushfilth and we know marco sleazio’s the chamber’s handpicked buttboy

    happyfeet (831175)

  75. ensign fiorina please to beam up the secret sauce

    happyfeet (831175)

  76. “The secret sauce of America”? Carly was really proud of that phrase.

    felipe (56556d)

  77. carly be a boosh cia plant

    mg (31009b)

  78. and that’s all the time this is worth

    too many losers on the stage

    happyfeet (831175)

  79. It is no small thing that the Wisconsin audience gave Cruz lukewarm applause when he was harshest on immigration. I guarantee you the professionals will use this within the GOP to justify Rubio’s easier/softer imigration stance.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  80. Here again, Cruz got weak applause on his desire to abolish the IRS. Wiscy voters are squishes. Rubio’s advisors are loving life right now.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  81. Ted Cruz just named the Department of Commerce twice as something he would cut, but at least he didn’t say oops.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  82. Patterico (86c8ed)

  83. Yeah, I noticed that, too. Look for the MSM to hammer that, tomorrow.

    felipe (56556d)

  84. Better than oops.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  85. The Caffeinated Jeb!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  86. Guys from Texas should not start listing the departments they would eliminate. Especially they should not start with a number and then start ticking them off.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  87. One thing is for sure – the questions are better so far than the other debates.

    The way they slapped down the “Who’s your favorite Democrat” question in the early debate was hilarious.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  88. HAHAHA the most important job is of the president, says Rubio, in a Freudian slip.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  89. Freudian slip by Rubio?? Parent, president, what’s the most important job, Marco?!

    Dana (86e864)

  90. Hey!!!

    Dana (86e864)

  91. Eurotrash is the poor man’s Stuart Varney… who is a pretty good egg. BaldEuro is a ponce.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  92. I’m from Texas. The departments I would eliminate are, (holds up fist, prepares to curl fingers to count):

    All of them.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  93. I type faster, Dana.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  94. “This is their money, it’s not our money”! Damn right!

    felipe (56556d)

  95. Modified hunt and peck, baby!

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  96. Doubling down on teh Commerce Dept.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  97. Mmmm that’s good militaristic pandering from Rubio.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  98. Doubling down on teh Commerce Dept.

    Good one.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  99. Rubio, “Pay for my nanny, you kid-haters”.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. Ladies first, Cruz!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. SUGAR SUBSIDIES!!!!!!!!!!

    FTW!!!!!!!!!!

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  102. He just cooked his own goose.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  103. YES YES YES END THE SUGAR SUBSIDIES

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  104. Rand Paul has left a mark on Rubio.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  105. Here are the 25 programs I would eliminate,

    All of them.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  106. Nothing could be more disgraceful to the American voter than kasich and boosh and paul.

    mg (31009b)

  107. Now she’s talking about me in sign language?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. IT IS CHAOS

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  109. How did Cruz go from five to twenty five in two minutes time?

    Dana (86e864)

  110. LOL! Colonel!

    felipe (56556d)

  111. Did anybody understand what Cruz said about sugar subsidies?

    nk (dbc370)

  112. Oh, Trump is there?? Who knew!

    Dana (86e864)

  113. Shaddup Twitchy

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  114. She still remembers those “knockin’ the bottom out of it” nights we had.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  115. Did anybody understand what Cruz said about sugar subsidies?

    I did. And lurved it.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  116. Did anybody understand what Cruz said about sugar subsidies?
    nk (dbc370) — 11/10/2015 @ 7:09 pm

    everyone but you, nk. Sit down before you hurt yourself.:-)

    felipe (56556d)

  117. that damn “advanced hunt and peck”, strikes again!

    felipe (56556d)

  118. Trump just took a yuge punch… but he’s too puffed up to fall!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  119. Will the price of my Hershey bars go up or not?

    nk (dbc370)

  120. Best debate so far. Bobby Jindal won the prelim while Christie did well enough. Ted Cruz and Donald Trump are dominate in the main event. Kasich and Bush disqualified themselves.

    ropelight (970cf7)

  121. Yes. Live with it.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  122. well, it’s past 9pm central – I must be off to sleep because I must awaken soon thereafter. Let me know what happened.

    felipe (56556d)

  123. Dammit, Carly! you are the CEO of my heart.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  124. I think Trump just disqualified himself.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  125. how did Mr. Trump dq himself

    happyfeet (831175)

  126. Putin “spreading his influence”, Doc? More like spreading Barry’s cheeks.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  127. Carson has been studying Sherman’s strategy. “We must not contain them; we must destroy them.”

    nk (dbc370)

  128. Jeb-MORE WAR!

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  129. Trump knows Putin very well because they were both on 60 Minutes.

    nk (dbc370)

  130. boosh is a farce and trump is out in the woods looking for putinesca.

    mg (31009b)

  131. Where he looked him in the eye and could tell Putin was a good man.

    ropelight (970cf7)

  132. Carly has met Putin too, not in the Green room for a show but in a private meeting.

    nk (dbc370)

  133. Carly Fiorina would get us into a war in the first 100 days to show she’s not a weak woman.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  134. “Why does she keep interrupting everybody?”

    To show she’s not a weak woman.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  135. Rand, arming the Syrian rebels was arming ISIS and it was stupid.

    nk (dbc370)

  136. She’s trying to hard to convince us. I wish she wouldn’t.

    Dana (86e864)

  137. Rubio, “Putin is a gangster”.

    Yes, yes, he has been one for 15 years. Now you tell us?

    nk (dbc370)

  138. Alfalfa looks like a mob lawyer

    mg (31009b)

  139. Rubio is John McCain’s bastard son.

    ropelight (970cf7)

  140. Trump is a fool, and he is speaking some yoooooge truths.

    Memo to FBN: What happened to the debate on economics?!!!!!!!!!!

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  141. Very strong points by Rubio about the feckless current administration.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  142. John Kasich, shut up!

    Dana (86e864)

  143. Kasich should update his resume.

    ropelight (970cf7)

  144. Oh, Kasich finally got to speak, Kasich tells us. Meanwhile I keep wanting Kasich to shaddup.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  145. If I heard Trump correctly, I must agree… that if Putin is going after ISIS, bully for him, as SOMBODY sure as sh*t better be.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  146. Trump is rabble-rousing with slogans; Kasich, Jeb and Rand are college debate team; Carly is hit and miss; Cruz and Rubio are mostly miss; Carson is treading water. ?

    nk (dbc370)

  147. Cruz was able to get in the middle of that whole mess, unlike in previous debates, and make quick, bold, and popular points. It’s gonna be important that he get at least one more real opportunity to speak at some length before the closing statements.

    He will be a consensus Top 3 if he does. The main memes will be 1) Trump exposed and 2) Jeb coming back.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  148. Jeb does not say he would not bail out the banks.

    I actually like what Hillary said. I don’t believe it, but I like what she said.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  149. This is the best of the best…
    sheesh, we are a weak nation.

    mg (31009b)

  150. Bush, Fiorina ad Rubio confuse belligerence with strength .

    Washington/Washington, get it? Oh, that Jeb is such a scamp.

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  151. Candidates who exceed their time limit should have an equal amount of time deducted from their next response and have their mic strictly regulated so no further overruns are possible.

    ropelight (970cf7)

  152. Bumblin’ Jeb.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  153. FANTASTIC follow-up calling out Jeb.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  154. forehead on hands on table shaking head pleading for mercy

    mg (31009b)

  155. Oh, it’s . . . Kasich talking again.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  156. Kudos to Rubio about Dodd-Frank.

    nk (dbc370)

  157. Science tells us that Kasich’s twitch is actually an evolutionary self-defense and heat-regulation adaptation: He’s preparing, if necessary, to inflate his frill and charge Donald Trump.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  158. I didn’t even know they were an item.

    nk (dbc370)

  159. ABSOLUTELY NOT would Cruz bail out the banks.

    PREACH IT!

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  160. Jeb “coming back”!?!? Weak-suck sauce…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  161. Bush and Rubio are arguing for small banks savings and loans . How did that work out in say, Arkansas in the 1980s? Banks and brokerages being big may not be a good thing, but is it necessarily the problem? Problem is gvernment-ordered drops in lending standards that Bush Sr. and Jr. and Clinton and Obama have all done far worse .

    This debate was…uh, not good…

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  162. Cruz is simply not liked by this audience. If Rubio or fiorina had said, “Absolutely Not!” There would have been huge applause.

    Cruz solidified his top tier status, but the problem he has with likeability showed up big time tonight.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  163. That pink tie does not work for Cruz. Carson’s store manager’s tie is better even.

    nk (dbc370)

  164. He’s now gonna beat the “Dead Horse Act”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  165. That’s a wild salmon color on my Vizio…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  166. Shorter Cruz… There is no goddam money tree.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. Bank of America took over the community bank my whole family banked with since 1967. I’m with Chase now.

    nk (dbc370)

  168. An executive has to decide how to resort to government at all times. — John Kasich.

    F**k off.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  169. Sweet Jesus, Kasich! He’s practically begging for a Texas BD moment

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  170. This is what you get when you open your pie-hole one too many times, Kasich.

    You get booed.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  171. Nobody mentions the depositors first $250K is funded no matter what???????????????

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  172. Cruz won that face-off handily.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  173. Kasich would personally pick and choose who would get their money back if a bank failed, and who wouldn’t. There should be a photo of him under “Cronyism” in the dictionary.

    DRJ (15874d)

  174. This is bordering on that moment in oh Brother Where Art Thou when the candidate starts getting tomatoes thrown at him. “Is you is or is you ain’t my constituency?”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  175. Patterico, have you been advising Carly? She just used your “government creates a problem and steps in to solve it” argument.

    nk (dbc370)

  176. Trump and Cruz they’re my men, they can do it, none of the others can.

    ropelight (970cf7)

  177. Kasich 2016 “in the Blink of an Eye”…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  178. Kasich-enoguh with the pesky Constitution and Congress nonsense, I just the Fed to print money..

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  179. Cruz treated Kasich in a very unsporting way, kind of like a rented mule.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  180. Patterico, have you been advising Carly? She just used your “government creates a problem and steps in to solve it” argument.

    She has been saying this a lot lately and I love hearing it each time.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  181. This is dumber than snl.

    mg (31009b)

  182. So far, I am shocked that Jeb has not gone after Rubio. Many insiders said this was 100% going to happen.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  183. Cruz treated Kasich in a very unsporting way, kind of like a rented mule.

    Kasich was begging for a slapdown.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  184. Bartiromo leaves out the “and I donated $20k to Hillary” part…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  185. Anyone else notice that Rubio sounds EXACTLY like Michael Corleone at mob meetings and the congressional hearing? Very, very, effective tone and cadence.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  186. Kasich ought to change parties, he’ll make a much better Democrat than he ever did a Republican.

    ropelight (970cf7)

  187. ashamed i was viewing this crap.
    when i could get it.
    Cruz/West

    mg (31009b)

  188. Bush is boring and low-energy.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  189. BO-RING.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  190. Maria? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for my appearance, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  191. Cruz solidified his top tier status, but the problem he has with likeability showed up big time tonight.

    There are purely non-political, non-ideological aspects of any candidate that can either help or hurt him/her. Of all the Republicans, Cruz is the one who I think I could have the most confidence in upon his entering the Oval Office. Or as president, he at least would make me wince the least compared with a squish-squish like Kasich or Jeb. But the purely non-political aspects of Cruz may undermine his competitiveness, and November 2016 is too crucial to take anything for granted.

    Mark (f713e4)

  192. 109 – Colonel!!!!!! Yesssssssss.

    Clear winners, in basically this order: Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina

    Treading water: Bush, Carson,

    see ya: Kasich, Paul, Trump

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  193. I can’t stand the jersey pumpkin, but he deserves to replace the mud-hen from Toledo.

    mg (31009b)

  194. Rubio is more personable than Cruz but Cruz can always do magazine profiles of the cute Cruz children, and let his wife Heidi do interviews, and do one-on-one interviews with friendly media that focus on personal issues. In other words, he can soften his image but I’m not sure that Rubio can change his positions as easily.

    DRJ (15874d)

  195. Oh, it’s Donald Trump, I forgot he was there. Did someone say that already?

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  196. Ben Carson gives Rubio a run for his money when it comes to likeability. When it comes to optimism and likeability, I wonder if Carson is hurting Rubio more than anyone.

    DRJ (15874d)

  197. Rand, “only fiscal conservative on the stage”.
    Kasich, “at least he’s better than Hillary or Sanders”.
    Carly, “Hillary!!!”
    Jeb, “der Wehrmacht uber alles”.
    Cruz, “my daddy is an immigrant”.
    Rubio, “I like to be in America”.
    Carson, “America is in trouble”.
    Trump, “I’m great!!!!! Hillary!!!!!”

    nk (dbc370)

  198. Post-debate business reporter just said Jeb and Kasich were “incoherent” on banking.

    Dana (86e864)

  199. I did, P, up at 112.

    Dana (86e864)

  200. I like Neil Cavuto. I thought this debate had more substance.

    DRJ (15874d)

  201. Everybody’s wearing a red tie, even the reporters. I haven’t worn mine since I marched in a Greek Day parade in 1992. With a gray suit, like I was taught. O tempores, o mores, I guess.

    nk (dbc370)

  202. Ca unto just said that the moderators went into the debate with the intent of making the debate about the candidates, not themselves. Carson responded to him that the candidates were pleased with the job they did. Sounds about right

    Dana (86e864)

  203. Cavuto…

    Dana (86e864)

  204. Could anyone of these peckerheads put gas in their car?

    mg (31009b)

  205. I don’t get it. When my hair starts looking like Trump’s, everybody gets on my case to go get a haircut. He pays some hairdresser big bucks to make him look like that.

    nk (dbc370)

  206. The idiocy of left-leaning sentiments abound.

    For one thing, the website businessinsider.com, per below, is managed/owned by a liberal, and I have a hunch that Bartiromo of Fox (and that channel isn’t even as blatantly and stupidly liberal the way, say, MSNBC is) asked her question because she really thinks a scroungebag like Hillary truly has a good resume and that being an insider goon of the government is a good thing, is a badge of honor.

    businessinsider.com via drudgereport.com: Fox Business Network moderator Maria Bartiromo was booed by a Republican-friendly debate crowd Tuesday night when she praised former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s rĂ©sumĂ©. Near the end of the debate, Bartiromo was interrupted when she asked the candidates to compare their records against Clinton. Bartiromo said Clinton has an “impressive rĂ©sumĂ©,” provoking the audience reaction.

    The moderator pointed out that Clinton has spent “more time in government than almost all of you on stage tonight.”

    “Why should the American people trust you to lead this country even though she has been so much closer to the office?” she asked.

    The illness of liberalism has infected every facet of this society and leaves its ugly mark on a continuous basis. The US may fizzle and stroke out like a Mexico/France before an antidote is found for that disease.

    Mark (f713e4)

  207. Last time I wore a red tie I was confirmed. 1960.

    mg (31009b)

  208. Maria? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for my appearance, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.

    I’m a retired investor, living on a pension. I came home to vote in the presidential election because they wouldn’t give me an absentee ballot.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  209. Did Bartiromo really say that Hillary has an impressive resume?

    I guess being secretary of state sounds impressive until you ask how did Benghazi and the Russian reset went.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  210. That was the Bartiromo I warned against. To be fair, though, she was reigned insignificantly. Kudos to Cavuto for shackling her.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  211. I think she looks like an attainable Sophia Loren.

    nk (dbc370)

  212. This is the way visitors to the drudgereport.com ranked tonight’s debate:

    TRUMP 38.33% (32,412 votes)
    CRUZ 21.55% (18,227 votes)
    PAUL 15.72% (13,295 votes)
    RUBIO 11.67% (9,869 votes)
    CARSON 4.76% (4,029 votes)
    FIORINA 4.64% (3,927 votes)
    KASICH 1.95% (1,647 votes)
    BUSH 1.37% (1,161 votes)

    Mark (f713e4)

  213. The most interesting part of the debate to me was the audience. Pro TARP and pro amnesty? Is that really where the GOP electorate is at? TARP is a deal breaker for me. Bush got snookered on that by big business. They took him for a ride.

    East Bay Jay (c65ac0)

  214. Itook Bartiromo’s “impressive resume” description to refer to Clinton’s various positions in government that she held, not a reflection of the job she did while in those positions.

    Dana (86e864)

  215. I think she looks like an attainable Sophia Loren.

    Ha. There is a similarity there.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  216. Well, Dana, Clinton took the $20,000 from Bartiromo and did it with a cackle.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  217. I was on the field at a Super Bowl.

    That doesn’t mean I had any effect on the outcome. I can claim, with perfect confidence, that I didn’t make anything worse. 🙂

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  218. Itook Bartiromo’s “impressive resume” description to refer to Clinton’s various positions in government that she held, not a reflection of the job she did while in those positions.

    Dana (86e864) — 11/10/2015 @ 8:39 pm

    Did you catch that one of the “positions” she held was First Lady? Of course she was put in charge of health care but I don’t think she wants anyone reminded of that.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  219. I get that, Col. She just seems more savvy to me than to do something like plugging Hillary at a GOP debate. I thought she was more on the ball. Sultry or not.

    Dana (86e864)

  220. No, Gerald, I didn’t. I was watching the live streaming, and it kept rudely hiccuping.

    Dana (86e864)

  221. I would have to see her stand up before comparing her to the beautiful Sophia Loren.

    mg (31009b)

  222. The audience reminded me of the occuturds of wall street.

    mg (31009b)

  223. Marco Rubio: “I saw a strange thing today. Some students were demonstrating. One of them was wearing a mattress on her back. She had a crazed look in her eyes. Now, this was in the student commons. A mattress on her back.”

    John Kasich: “What does that tell you?”

    Marco Rubio: “That I shoulda stayed in school…”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  224. Pro TARP and pro amnesty?

    The leading Republicans in Congress responsible for immigration reform, as written about in an article linked this morning on the drudgreport.com, are big pushovers for allowing more leeway for the “undocumented,” even the lowly educated, underachieving ones.

    The short-sighted, lazy greed of big-business, chamber-of-commerce-type Republicans in 2016 reminds me of the short-sighted, lazy greed of the folks who glommed onto slavery during the era of non-mechanized cotton picking. Combine them with the teary-eyed liberals/Democrats (who’d one up the Republicans by sending air-conditioned buses to the border to pick up the “undocumented”) and all the squish-squishes throughout America and, well…

    If demographics is destiny, the US likely faces a very mediocre, half-assed future.

    Mark (f713e4)

  225. Here you go, mg. Image: http://getnetworth.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/maria-bartiromo-net-worth2.jpg And she has a published net worth of $22 million and her salary is $6 million a year.

    nk (dbc370)

  226. Regarding Ted Cruz double-nuking the Commerce Department:

    I have persuaded myself to a high degree of mind-reading certainty that as Cruz was about to deliver that sentence — the one that began “I’ll tell you the five cabinet departments I want to close” — Cruz thought of Perry. The sentences Patrick wrote above (#86) or something very close to them were going through Cruz’ very quick mind.

    And he did the mental equivalent of a double-take, which interrupted his rhythm, which manifested itself in a slight verbal hickup — during which (I’m convinced) he made the decision that repeating himself would be less disastrous than admitting he’d lost his place in his mental list.

    It was, if anything, a humanizing error (in my admittedly very biased opinion, anyway). But he smoothed it and hurtled forward undeterred. Overall, Cruz had another good night — by which I mean, I think he’s continuing to succeed in becoming the anti-establishment candidate best positioned to peel off or eventually inherent votes from Trump, Carson, and Paul.

    John Kasich is determined to be the losing candidate best liked by MSNBC. It’s time for him to declare victory in that effort and withdraw. Surely that will happen this week.

    The one good thing Kasich did tonight was to serve as a foil for Trump to display his only flash of really egotistical nastiness of the evening. Otherwise Trump was inert. He has no second act; it’s like he just keeps shuffling the same set of cue cards, re-delivering them again and again with just some random variations from among a really short list of adverbs and adjectives.

    Rand Paul should drop out too, but he’s cussed enough to hang around for many more weeks and possibly into February. He’s now content to play the role of Cassandra, which is fine, maybe constructive.

    Jeb Bush is now twice-burnt toast. Marco Rubio is now, without any question, the candidate to whom establishment GOP donors will flee when they abandon Bush.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  227. This image works on several levels. Politically. Nothing to do Sophia Loren or Bartiromo. View at own risk. http://i.imgur.com/B2UOcnO.jpg

    nk (dbc370)

  228. Nothing to do *with*

    nk (dbc370)

  229. Oh — Fiorina has a lock on Veep no matter who else may get the nomination, and she had another good night, but it would take a perfect storm of self-destruction among several other campaigns for her to get the nomination herself, and I don’t expect this debate to put her up very significantly yet in the polls — she’s going to stick around in the mid-to-high single-digits. Like Cruz, she had a good night, though, and her campaign has always anticipated that she’d have to string together a whole bunch of good debate performances to compensate for her lack of national name recognition.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  230. The Texans already know this, but also, Carly is one. A Texan. From an old (pre-Civil War) and distinguished Texan family.

    nk (dbc370)

  231. I cannot remember any occasion in any of the debates so far in which Fiorina and Cruz have directly locked horns. They certainly aren’t picking any fights with one another, which is surprising, given that many observers think they’re “in the same lane,” i.e., competing for the same anti-establishment primary voters.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  232. The funniest line of the night — very droll, appropriate for a debate on business issues — was Fiorina’s remark that she, too, had met Putin, but in a private meeting, not in a celebrity green room.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  233. Yeah, but did you see Megyn Kelly’s show? Turns out Fiorina met Putin . . . in a green room.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  234. Yup, she stubbed a toe on that apparently — that it was a “conference green room” rather than a “[TV] show green room” is a pretty Clintonean distinction.

    The reason Cruz can get away with omitting to mention the Department of Education in his list is that unlike Rick Perry, Ted Cruz never took a course called “Meat,” and he certainly didn’t make a D in it. Everyone has an opinion on Ted Cruz, but I’ve yet to meet anyone who describes him as “stupid.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  235. Patterico, @24-25:- as a *liberal* who finds Kasich’s policy preferences to be more in line with my own than most of the people on the stage’s … I wish Gov. Kasich would go away. He’s borderline incoherent and utterly incapable of persuading anyone of anything.

    aphrael (4eae3a)

  236. At least it does appear that Fiorina did meet with Putin before claiming in this debate to have met with Putin. By contrast, in Trumpese, “We were stable-mates” and “We really got to know each other in the green room” is apparently a flexible enough to fit a situation in which Putin being interviewed in Russia by Charlie Rose, Trump was interviewed by someone else in America, and even though the interviews were among completely different people on different days on different continents, their interviews were broadcast in sequence on “Sixty Minutes.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  237. I was paid a token $15 fr a couple days of jury duty, drawn on the city’s account at the BofA.

    So the teller asks do I have an account with them. No I don’t.
    That will be a $5 handling fee.

    Wait a minute. A check drawn against the city’s account in your bank, and you are charging me to honor it?

    FOOK no to TARP. Let those unholy nexus of city government and too big to fail banks die together swapping spit in a house fire.

    Hopefully soon.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  238. If it’s too big to fail, it’s too big to exist.

    nk (dbc370)

  239. I especially appreciated Trump swatting down Mrs. Buttinski.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  240. — I’m thinking of divorcing my wife.
    — How come?
    — She hasn’t said a word to me in three months.
    — Better think it over. Women like that are hard to find.

    nk (dbc370)

  241. Great posts,nk.
    Sophia Loren never had to hide her hips with a puffy curtain.

    mg (31009b)

  242. Listening to the recap on Fox and Friends.

    Trump says {paraphrasing} – If Putin wants to take out ISIS I say let him.

    Bush responds {paraphrasing} – That’s like a board game. That’s not how the world works.

    Actually, that’s exactly how the world works. During Dubya’s term that’s the way the world worked.

    Tell Georgia that’s not the way the world works. Tell Tibet. Tell Cote D’Ivorie.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  243. East Bay Jay (c65ac0) — 11/10/2015 @ 8:37 pm

    I guess the audience reaction adds to to the overall perception of viewers,
    which raises the question,
    how do audiences get picked, by who(m?)?
    http://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2015/10/Dr.-Whom-copy.jpg

    Same people who pick the moderators?

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  244. The consensus seems to be that Rubio and Cruz had strong nights, as did Christie on the undercard. More people are looking seriously at one of them as the eventual nominee, but there are concerns that Cruz is too conservative and the GOP should pick a more moderate nominee like Rubio. Someone who unites conservatives with compassionate rhetoric and policies … a 2016 version of George W. Bush.

    Apparently Republicans believe the lie that conservative ideas are so out-of-step with the views of most Americans that they can only win by watering down their views and trying to pass for liberals. That’s a sad, sad view of the Amercan electorate and I submit it’s wrong. If it were right, we’d be talking about President McCain and President Romney.

    DRJ (15874d)

  245. I get the urge to be moderate but it irritates me. The GOP nominates moderates but then the rank and fike gripe when they don’t act and talk like conservatives. They also gripe about the moderates who get elected but don’t govern like conservatives. It’s time to actually nominate a conservative.

    DRJ (15874d)

  246. However, in fairness to moderate Republicans, they probably don’t want a conservative President who would stand up for conservative values like limiting abortion, protecting the civil rights of Christians who oppose SSM, curtailing government over-regulation, and eliminating government agencies. Moderate Republicans generally like big government but they want it to help Republican donors instead of Democratic donors.

    DRJ (15874d)

  247. Beldar,

    I think your guess is right regarding Cruz’s Commerce Department mistake. In an ironic twist, I also think it’s a mistake that will ultimately help instead of hurt Cruz. First, it softens his image as a robotic candidate and humanizes him — he makes mistakes, too, albeit little ones. Second, it gives him a harmless joke at his own expense that he can use in the future.

    DRJ (15874d)

  248. The GOPe can’t force Jeb Bush to the forefront so they’re going with Marco Rubio instead. The recent effort to discredit Ben Carson (Alenski’s rule #12: direct, personalized criticism accompanied by unsupported accusation, followed by crude and hateful ridicule) is the current objective.

    Once cARSON IS sufficiently sullied, the GOPe’s politics of personal destruction will pick another target and repeat the process of freezing it, personalizing it, and polarizing it. All of course to put Trump in the cross-hairs and leave no one but Rubio standing.

    Leave Conservatives with a choice between Hillary and Rubio – and the GOPe remains in place. Amnesty becomes the law of the land, our debt continues to spiral out of control, and Rubio takes Obama’s place using Air Force One for vacations and junkets worldwide on the taxpayer’s dime.

    ropelight (ebfaf0)

  249. In the interview with Kelly, Cruz said the Department of Education should be eliminated because of its policies that have imposed Common Core on the States and that interfere with local education.

    DRJ (15874d)

  250. ropelight,

    Your last paragraph will be the theme of Hillary’s campaign against Rubio, plus that he will be like Obama — a novice at foreign policy who can talk the talk but can’t stand up to world leaders. I fear it will be Hillary using America’s credit cards, not Rubio.

    DRJ (15874d)

  251. Hillary’s put a lot more time and effort into burnishing her credentials and crafting her campaign than any of the R losers have

    Rubio’s just a sleazy failed first-year senator, and Cruz is only slightly more experienced on the national level

    Carson is a lispy fruit loop, and Trump is a reality tv star

    This Kasich person seems to have some kind of undiagnosed mental illness.

    And of course Jeb Bush lol.

    If Team R wants to win the presidency someday they really need to start taking this more seriously.

    happyfeet (831175)

  252. first-*term* senator i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  253. Oh — Fiorina has a lock on Veep no matter who else may get the nomination

    Beldar (fa637a) — 11/10/2015 @ 9:30 pm

    If Rubio is not the nominee I think he’d get strong consideration for Veep. He’s Hispanic, youthful, telegenic and is from a must win state.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  254. I went to jury duty (actually venire duty in my case since I’m never picked) at the Cook County Criminal Court. My fellow venirmen were the “most likely” voters of Cook County. From all over Cook County. They were mostly white, with only a scattering of “persons of color”. Some young with Starbucks cups, but most sensible young mature to middle-aged. Noticeably more women than men if not overwhelmingly so. So come we elect the people we elect? Can we blame the women? Or is it because politics demands the best people; attracts the worst; and drives the best out?

    nk (dbc370)

  255. So *how* come

    nk (dbc370)

  256. i blame tv Mr. nk

    happyfeet (831175)

  257. I agree with Gerald A that Rubio will be the VP if he isn’t the nominee for President.

    DRJ (15874d)

  258. I’m calling Hollywood “Hollyweird” in conversations with my daughter.

    nk (dbc370)

  259. nk,

    I don’t blame voters for their choices. I trust the voters to do what they see as best.

    The GOP has a history of nominating and supporting people who have waited their turn, while withholding support for those (like Reagan) who are the populist candidates riding an inugent wave. (Insurgent by Republic standards, so it’s not that radical.) This history promotes a more stable Party and rewards fidelity to the Party, and those are good things. Nevertheless, sometimes we need to upset tradition with our elections. I think 1980 was one of those elections. I think 2016 is, too.

    DRJ (15874d)

  260. i think Cruz makes the best vp cause of he’s smartest and vaguely ethnic and he’s not a whore for the establishment and this is a good way to position him for 2020

    happyfeet (831175)

  261. Maybe the best moment of the debate.

    Stuff like this should kill Trump, and in the general election definitely would, but for his supporters it’s like “The GOPe’s trying to do him in. I’m not that stupid!”.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  262. Why not Cruz for president in 2016, happyfeet?

    Dana (86e864)

  263. Mr. Cruz receives very little local coverage. If the loco media does have anything to say, it is negative. The establishment GOP has pre-warned the local affiliates on who to cover positively. Also the canned audience is a joke. Establishment republicans have no limits in destroying this country.

    mg (31009b)

  264. The establishment GOP has pre-warned the local affiliates on who to cover positively.

    mg (31009b) — 11/11/2015 @ 8:51 am

    Did someone leak an email to you?

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  265. Anyone point out that First Lady is not an elective office, nor is it accorded any powers by the Constitution or by legislation? Maria B. needs a session in the woodshed.

    PCD (39058b)

  266. I know what I see here on Havad T.V. in the N.E.
    Gerald A. I believe the establishment goons are in place to completely discourage Mr. Cruz from ever winning another election. Presidential or another senate run. The republican knives will continue to slice and dice away at Mr. Cruz.

    mg (31009b)

  267. Youse guys better stop saying mean things about Maria Bartiromo or Joey Ramone(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf4_-ciaJtk) and I will get together and egg your houses. TP your shrubbery, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  268. nk, you ever hear the song, “THBBBT” from Hee-Haw sung in operatic style? You try anything and I will serande you until you are a quivering lump on the floor.

    PCD (39058b)

  269. Why not Cruz for president in 2016, happyfeet?

    Cause he made me mad with his Kim Davis butt-snuffles.

    I *might* forgive him later but he’s gonna have to talk real purty.

    happyfeet (831175)

  270. i bought some headphones through your linker link from amazon cause of i need them for work hope that’s ok

    happyfeet (831175)

  271. Simply the Rubio love is lost on me. He was all for the Gang of 8 sellout on immigration. Trump may disappoint; he still has the big thing right. But Rubio will sell us out to CoC in a heartbeat. And mostly he’s very good at delivering canned speeches within his responses. The fact that HIS DAD IS A BARTENDER is by now a bit much. Big deal. He’s slimy,a smarmy empty shell, talking nonsense that sounds okay until you get into the details. Like his tax plan.

    Above all, he (along with Fiorina) confuses being bellicose with being strong. At a loss how any thinking person could look back on the last 25+ years of war and want more of it. Paul boxed his ears in, and he deserved it. Was very disappointing the audience lapped up Rubio’s utterly vapid more war stupidity.

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  272. i bought some headphones through your linker link from amazon cause of i need them for work hope that’s ok

    Yes, thank you.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  273. you are welcome

    happyfeet (831175)

  274. Above all, he (along with Fiorina) confuses being bellicose with being strong. At a loss how any thinking person could look back on the last 25+ years of war and want more of it. Paul boxed his ears in, and he deserved it. Was very disappointing the audience lapped up Rubio’s utterly vapid more war stupidity.

    I tend to agree. I think Hillary and Fiorina and Rubio would all be very bellicose, the first two to show that women can be tough, and Rubio because he looks so young that he would want to seem tough. I believe in a strong military and on this Veterans Day (which I prefer to think of as Armistice Day, celebrating peace) I am grateful to those in the military who keep us safe — but I think presidents have all too often used that military for reasons that don’t justify the killing and loss of life.

    Enough war. Let’s fight a war only when we are truly attacked — such as we were on 9-11-01. Then and only then is the killing and death remotely justifiable.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  275. > which I prefer to think of as Armistice Day, celebrating peace

    celebrating peace and remembering the sacrifice of those who died. they’re aligned, i think.

    although I wouldn’t say I *celebrate* Armistice Day – more that I observe it; it’s too somber a day for celebration.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  276. Above all, he (along with Fiorina) confuses being bellicose with being strong. At a loss how any thinking person could look back on the last 25+ years of war and want more of it. Paul boxed his ears in, and he deserved it. Was very disappointing the audience lapped up Rubio’s utterly vapid more war stupidity.

    Bugg (fa64ec) — 11/11/2015 @ 1:25 pm

    I totally missed where Rubio was calling for going to war. Where was that?

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  277. it was in the debate you must’ve missed it

    happyfeet (831175)

  278. Fact check: Trump didn’t say China was part of TPP.
    Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbrinkley/2015/11/12/donald-trump-stalking-the-wild-tpp/

    Fact Check: Trump didn’t say he got to know Putin in the green room.
    Source: Video of the debate. And The Blaze:
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/10/fact-check-was-donald-trump-actually-stable-mates-with-vladimir-putin-on-60-minutes/
    Quote from the Blaze: “Editor’s note: This story has been amended to reflect that Trump didn’t say he was in the green room with Putin.”

    Beldar, I love ya, but you were wrong. And should say so.

    School Marm (f96753)


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