GOP Debate: Who Made The Cut, Who Didn’t
[guest post by Dana]
Next Tuesday, Fox Business will be hosting the next GOP debate coming from Milwaukee. The debate lineup was released tonight, and it has a few surprises: Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee did not make the top-tier cut, and will be debating earlier. Also, Gov. Pataki (who??) and Lindsay Graham were cut altogether.
The selections were made by the financial news network based on national preference polls. Candidates had to average at least 2.5 percent or higher in the four most recent major polls conducted through Wednesday to be featured in the prime-time debate. The candidates achieving that are: Donald Trump (25.3%), Ben Carson (24.5%), Marco Rubio (11.8%), Ted Cruz (10.0%), Jeb Bush (5.5%), Carly Fiorina (3.0%), John Kasich (2.8%) and Rand Paul (2.5%).
The threshold for the undercard was 1 percent. The following candidates meet that criteria: Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal and Rick Santorum.
Earlier today, Christie seemed resigned to his debate fate, and downplayed it:
“The bottom line is you need to be on a stage and debating. I will be on a stage debating one way or the other wherever they put me.” He added on MSNBC that “I don’t really care” about making the cut for the primetime debate.
PRIMETIME
Donald Trump
Ben Carson
Marco Rubio
Ted Cruz
Jeb Bush
Carly Fiorina
John Kasich
Rand Paul
EARLY DEBATE
Chris Christie
Mike Huckabee
Bobby Jindal
Rick Santorum
Predictions on who drops out before next Tuesday??
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 11/5/2015 @ 7:40 pmI am not sure if I even get Fox Business…
kishnevi (158466) — 11/5/2015 @ 7:51 pmMeanwhile,business as usual in DC. Note the casual aside in paragraph 2
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/house-passes-6-year-highway-bill-215555
you should try to get it, it’s less fluff then the regular channel.
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/5/2015 @ 7:54 pmBut, back to the post question, kishnevi, do you think any of the bottom tier or no-shows will drop? Who?
Dana (86e864) — 11/5/2015 @ 7:54 pmOf Hickabee, Santorum and Jindal drop, do the votes automatically go to Carson, or maybe Cruz?
Dana (86e864) — 11/5/2015 @ 7:55 pmOkay found it. Channel 106, between CSPAN 2 and AlJazeera America.
kishnevi (158466) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:00 pmDana@4…depends on which have a set of donors ready to give them a talk about the facts of life.
If I was Pataki, Graham, Jindal or Santorum, I would have bowed out before now. But I don’t have the ego of a politician.
Christie has been popping up in the media recently, enough to let him think he still has a chance so he stay.
kishnevi (158466) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:07 pmI think this debate will determine the fate of Jeb. His big donors put him on notice last month. He has to turn it around or they’re going to walk.
Dana (86e864) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:20 pmHello, Dana.
Santorum has to drop unless he can crack the top 3 in Iowa, right? He should know if this is remotely possible by Christmas.
Pataki and Graham, and probably Jindal don’t seem to have any reasonable path. All of them have someone similar to them in background and style blocking their way: Pataki the Northeastern moderate governor has Christie ahead of him, Graham the unorthodox Southern Senator has Paul blocking him, and Jindal the intelligent and effective Southern governor has Bush blocking him.
I see Chris Christie joining the other eight and there will be nine GOP candidates still standing at the Iowa and New Hampshire caucuses. After that, the likely dropouts will be Bush, Christie, Paul, and Kasich. I think that Bush, Christie, and Kasich all think they will benefit when the field narrows by becoming “the establishment candidate,” but Rubio or Carly might outflank them there.
JVW (738b08) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:23 pmIt gets worse for Bush:
Dana (86e864) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:26 pmThere are Santorum backers who won’t back Cruz because Cruz walked out on that bunch of anti-Semites who claimed to be Christian, and the Catholics who back Santorum never forgave Cruz for walking out on the anti-Semites. But overall, I think Cruz benefits if Santorum and Jindal back out.
John Hitchcock (3f4674) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:33 pmthe hezbollah and assad supporting christians, what an odd coffee clatch,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:36 pmAnd that thinking is precisely why those three are not a hit with voters. They have learned nothing from watching the Trump show all these months. But I think you’re right in your estimation, JVW.
Dana (86e864) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:43 pmInstead of 8 and 4, why not simply go with a single debate with the Top 10 at this point? If you insist on 12, why not 6 and 6?
Mark my words: Watch out for Bartiromo.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:46 pmyes, she too was peripherally tied to the Clinton foundation, through their journalism adjunct,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:54 pmthere are more marked decks, then the first quarter of Goldfinger,
Are you saying the Clinton Machine is as legitimate as the WWF?
John Hitchcock (3f4674) — 11/5/2015 @ 9:01 pm“and the Catholics who back Santorum never forgave Cruz for walking out on the anti-Semites”
I am completely unaware of any “Catholics” or Catholics who fall into that catogory. i would wager that you are the victim of a gigantic hoax.
felipe (56556d) — 11/5/2015 @ 9:04 pmnarciso (ee1f88) — 11/5/2015 @ 8:54 pm
Heh, nice reference. Specter this Friday!
felipe (56556d) — 11/5/2015 @ 9:09 pmAmong all the candidates and with voters overall, Bush has the highest unfavorability rating at 58 percent, rivaled only by Trump at 56 percent and Clinton at 52 percent. Bush also has the worst net favorability rating at negative 33 points (higher favorability ratings help Trump and Clinton in this measure)
That’s pathetic because even though I don’t care for Jeb, he’s certainly less odious than godawful, gawdfersaken Billary/Hillary and no worse than Trump.
Mark (f713e4) — 11/5/2015 @ 9:29 pmhttps://twitter.com/CatholicLisa/status/661564317939183618
I don’t know how to go back and look at tweets older than twitter will scroll down. But I do believe it was she who argued with me about that, felipe, and she had the backing of other of her 23k followers.
John Hitchcock (3f4674) — 11/5/2015 @ 9:54 pmShe also just recently tweeted that a less than one term Senator has no business running for President. I wonder who that person might be.
John Hitchcock (3f4674) — 11/5/2015 @ 9:57 pmIn my dreams, Carson and Trump drop out. Trump I can’t stand, and Carson I can’t grok. TO me they would each lead the country in some random direction.
But I accept that won’t happen any time soon.
The debate cut-off should have been 3%, as that would give 6 + 6 and allow both debates to have some substance. Or they should have drawn lots. Or been put in seeded brackets.
Who will quit before Tuesday? Graham, possibly. Pataki, possibly. Hard to say because who knows why they ran anyway. Santorum won’t quit until they pull the microphone from his cold, dead fingers. Jindal needs to give it up. Someone needs to pie Kasich; he’s insufferable, much like a yapdog. Rand is wasting his time, and needs to go run for re-election; he may be the first actual dropout.
In the upcoming debate, Jeb and Fiorina, for different reasons, need to shine. FIorina has a problem in that the questioners will re-explore her past (happens every debate) and not let her talk about the future. She needs to change that. Jeb is going to be asked, again, about W’s choices and he needs to squash that once and for all to have any chance.
With Christie at the kid’s table, it’s looking like there are only 5 left: Trump, Carson, Cruz, Rubio and Fiorina and none of the last 3 can afford a draw.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/5/2015 @ 11:21 pmThe train wreck continues.
mg (31009b) — 11/6/2015 @ 2:26 amOnly Cruz can out debate bill’s wife.
Republicans should be embarrassed to have so many nitwits on stage.
mg (31009b) — 11/6/2015 @ 2:27 am#24 I hear your mother calling, she wants you to go troll some where else.
mark johnson (58271f) — 11/6/2015 @ 5:30 amKevin M,
According to reports, the candidates themselves (with the exception of Jeb) said no to drawing lots. Also, Jeb is in a sticky spot: he needs to squash the line of questioning about his brother (and Iraq), but Bush Sr.’s new autobiography would appear to further open that line of inquiry, given the negative comments about “iron-ass” Cheney and Rumsfeld. If Jeb claims his brother kept us safe, how could he have done that if his dad claims W’s people were bad at their jobs and didn’t serve W well? It just keeps the family dynamic/dynasty issue alive. I think it might become even harder for Jeb to distance himself.
Dana (86e864) — 11/6/2015 @ 5:38 amJindal, Huckabee, and Kasich should all drop out, whether they will or not – who knows or cares all that much? All 3 are good men, honest and true, but this race just isn’t for them. It’s time to face facts and get back to their day jobs.
ropelight (fa5201) — 11/6/2015 @ 5:41 amHuckabee
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 11/6/2015 @ 5:59 amJindal
Santorum
Paul
#26, Elder looks to have tried and help Jeb but exposed a contradiction in the viewpoint.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:00 amReal Catholics like pro lifers like Cruz.
Now you want to talk nominal Catholics who think abortion is OK and transgenderism is all the rage and Gays should be allowed to steal babies from straight parents cuz ya know “the are special class of people and it is not right they can’t have them on their own” — those types Catholics might not like Cruz.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:03 ami don’t hear no mamas
happyfeet (831175) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:06 am25- get off your sister, dolt.
mg (31009b) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:09 amWhen did she go to Fox?
Gerald A (5dca03) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:10 amMy mom died of cancer when she was 53 you pos.
mg (31009b) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:10 amUgh I’m familiar with that person’s thinking.
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:11 amThey should have done it six and six, and cut out Rand Paul and John Kasich. But, truth be told, the could have cut it off after the top four. I’m hoping that Carly Fiorina hits another home run in this debate, ’cause if she doesn’t, it’s over for her.
The Dana who supports Carly Fiorina (f6a568) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:31 amI agree it should have been 6 and 6, but Fox Business probably doesn’t want to lose its Libertarian viewers. Every media outlet has its weaknesses.
Also, Jindal won’t drop out because he’s polling at 6% in Iowa. National polls are meaningless right now, except for the debates. Iowa, NH and SC are what matters.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/6/2015 @ 7:02 amAlso, Christie is basically running for VP now so the undercard may not hurt him much.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/6/2015 @ 7:05 amJindal is leaving Louisiana vulnerable and it may even elect a Democratic Governor. I like his ideas but he is not a good choice for the GOP in 2016.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/6/2015 @ 7:10 am# 22
Hillary does a good job of deflecting questions on the past by talking about the future. “this election is about the future” Of course she has the MSM enabling her in deflecting her past.
Joe (fa6bbe) — 11/6/2015 @ 8:05 amO/T but seriously relevant to the election.
Over at Drudge in all red caps the top headline is that somebody has dug up the NDAs signed by Hillary!, Huma, and Cheryl Mills. It’s a link to this WFB article:
http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-signed-nda-laying-out-criminal-penalties-for-mishandling-of-classified-info/
I won’t quote extensively, but I will note these parts:
No one who ever held a TS/SCI security clearance actually needed to see a copy of Hillary!’s NDA. But the Democratic media operatives in the LHMFM who are now pretending not to understand the concept of lying apparently need everything spelled out loudly and slowly.
One little problem for Hillary!; SHE was the appropriate management authority at DoS she needed to consult with in order to determine if information was TS/SCI if the information was not already marked as such.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-original-classification-authority
She was also designated the OCA for determining what qualified as SECRET at the DoS. There are no designated OCAs for CONFIDENTIAL information. Whomever is designated the OCA for SECRET is also the OCA for any lower classification level.
What’s her excuse going to be? That Hillary! the former SecState failed to advise Hillary! the presumptive Dem nominee of Top Secret and compartmented nature of the information she was placing on the server belonging to Hillary! the Clinton Foundation fundraiser?
Are the Dems really going to elect someone with multiple personalities, none of which can recognize the glaringly obvious (I’m giving Hillary! the benefit of a non-existent doubt in anticipation of her fans last line of defense)?
They have her dead to rights. Whether Prom Queen’s DoJ will indict her or not is anyone’s guess. But it is undeniable that they have enough evidence to send her and her minions to prison on several felony violations of the Espionage Act.
Any of the “little people” who have the same obligations to safeguard classified information would never see the outside of a prison had they committed as many violations as Hillary! and her minions. If President Selfie’s DoJ fails to indict for what are now obviously pure political considerations, the fact that the “little people” at the FBI and within the IC know that the law only applies to them and not to his/her/its political appointees will cause Tiger Beat no end of problems.
Steve57 (ccc381) — 11/6/2015 @ 8:09 amA couple more pieces of supporting information.
First, we all know that the heads of departments and agencies can and must delegate classification authority to subordinates. Nobody expects the SecState to spend his or her days reviewing all the information coming in to INR and applying the classification markings personally.
But that does not change the fact that the SecState is the OCA for his or her department and is required to recognize classified information on sight, and the steps to appropriately classify that information. An example:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/10/has-hillarys-last-defense-been-destroyed-by-a-smoking-gun.php
The above post contains an email from Colin Powell when he was SecState. John Hinderaker believes it is not a smoking gun. He is correct that it isn’t for the mistaken points that the UK’s Daily Mail and The American Thinker’s Tom Lifson attempt to make. But the normally astute Hinderaker is wrong in that it is a smoking gun for an entirely different reason.
The LHMFM keeps insisting there are no smoking guns in emailgate. There are so many smoking guns you’d die of smoke inhalation in three minutes if you were locked in a room with them.
Note the bottom of the first page of the email.
The fact that the SecState designates a subordinate to review and classify information that originates from that department in no way absolves the SecState of the responsibility and obligation and responsibility of knowing how to do it themselves. Other Secretaries of State have done it (the Powell email has since been declassified, obviously) and Hillary! is providing herself no cover when she claims she didn’t know information she was sending (often disclosing it to unauthorized persons) and receiving was classified because it wasn’t marked as such. She is at best highlighting additional aspects of her negligence.
She may think she’s covering her ample arse with those statements, and so do her fans and defenders as they (mistakenly) believe that as long as no one can prove she did anything deliberately and knowingly she can’t be prosecuted for a crime.
The FBI and everyone who ever held a TS/SCI clearance knows better. This is why the FBI is investigating her for violations of 18 U.S. Code § 793:
I am certain the FBI has an ironclad case Hillary!, Cheryl Mills, and Huma Abedin committed multiple violations of both of these sections.
They have all admitted to the essential elements of these crimes. Hillary! doesn’t realize (or isn’t concerned) that claiming not to have known and claiming not to have deliberately done anything wrong aren’t defenses. Actually claiming not to have known when it was her responsibility to know is further evidence of her gross negligence.
Not even the most deliberately obtuse of Hillary!’s defenders can deny she committed felonies as SecState. The paper trail is iron clad now; she’s checkmated. The only questions remaining are (1) how many and (2) will Prom Queen demonstrate in the most public way possible he doesn’t care about compromising national security by refusing to indict her for her obvious crimes?
Steve57 (ccc381) — 11/6/2015 @ 8:42 amsome other surmises,
http://observer.com/2015/11/just-who-is-sidney-blumenthal-the-clintons-closest-advisor/
they have to make the obligatory diss to the committee, but on balance,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 8:49 amMr 57, after President Fiorina appoints Ted Cruz to become Attorney General, the cases against Mrs Clinton and her minions will be prosecuted; not before.
The hopeful Dana (f6a568) — 11/6/2015 @ 8:50 am#42-
Wrong – Its not gross negligence – its a better sign of her gross stupidity or her gross arrogance or both –
Joe (fa6bbe) — 11/6/2015 @ 8:51 amThen, about three years later, President Fiorina appoints Attorney General Cruz to the Supreme Court. 🙂
The very hopeful Dana (f6a568) — 11/6/2015 @ 8:53 amI like Carson, but the disclosure that the “admission and full ride to West Point” part of his life story is made up is extremely damaging; HE ought to consider dropping out.
tab (23a43b) — 11/6/2015 @ 8:55 amI agree with you,
r c cola, (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 8:59 am#42-
Charlie rose was doing it for Hillary last week with his interview of mark Rubio.
I would say wrong again – but the msm knows no bounds to honesty.
Joe (fa6bbe) — 11/6/2015 @ 9:05 amYes – Fiorina can appoint Cruz – and let Cruz follow in the steps of Taft.
Joe (fa6bbe) — 11/6/2015 @ 9:07 amLooks like Dr Ben is done.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 11/6/2015 @ 9:15 amYep, that’s the end for Carson. Wonder why the media vetted him so much being black and all like Obama? We’ll never know.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/6/2015 @ 9:48 amafter President Fiorina appoints Ted Cruz to become Attorney General
I hope this is before the Ginsberg seat opens up.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2015 @ 9:49 amIn my dreams, Carson and Trump drop out. Trump I can’t stand, and Carson I can’t grok. To me they would each lead the country in some random direction.
But I accept that won’t happen any time soon.
And then I woke up and the righteous Carson has his hand stuck in the cookie jar.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2015 @ 9:53 amhave we learned not to jump to conclusions, yet?
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 9:56 amBen Carson lying about something from 1969 would make him a Patron Saint at the DNC.
If I was Ben and the DNC I would yell this at the top of my lungs.
Hillary lies all the time and she is somehow more qualified for POTUS than Ben?
Obola lied in his books and they were inspirational.
Again IF SMART THAT IS HOW YOU ATTACK THE MEDIA AND DEMOCRATS.
“WAIT, LYING QUALIFIES DEMOCRATS LIKE HILLARY, OBAMA AND CLINTON FOR OFFICE. IT SEEMS THE MORE THEY LIE THE MORE QUALIFIED. Why are we arguing a different standard for Ben?”
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 11/6/2015 @ 10:03 amI don’t know; it doesn’t look like a conclusion, but an admission that he had at best overstated the matter in saying he was admitted and offered a full ride:
Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit,” campaign manager Barry Bennett wrote in an email to POLITICO. “In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer.”
“He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors,” Bennett added. “They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”
tab (23a43b) — 11/6/2015 @ 10:04 am“He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors,” Bennett added. “They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”
#56 RNC typo …. sorry
Then call the Media racist when they can’t justify one standard for Ben and another for Hillary, Barack and Bill.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 11/6/2015 @ 10:05 amyes it’s pretty weak tea, not even oolong, Bennett should know better than to give Politico the time of day,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 10:24 amyou get this strange feeling of dejavu,
http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 10:43 am@47, there is not a word of truth to the Politico story. Politico is the only party fabricating anything. You are reacting to theit lies exactly as they hoped. They made the whole thing up in order to damage Carson. And you are buying it hook, line, and sinker.
Steve57 (22739c) — 11/6/2015 @ 11:40 amJoe @45, gross arrogance and gross stupidity are leading causes of grossly negligent mishandling of classified material. It’s fine with me if that is how you want to characterize Hillary!’s admissions. It is no defense against the charge of gross negligence. Instead it is an explanation of why she is guilty of the crime. She was too arrogant and stupid to even make a minimal effort to exercise the least bit of care.
And I agree with that assessment.
Steve57 (22739c) — 11/6/2015 @ 11:50 amFriends don’t let friends take politico seriously.
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 11:51 amCarson never said he was admitted or even applied. He said he had a conversation with a General who said his application would be looked at favorably and that admission would cover tuition and lodging. He also said that he decided against applying as he didn’t want to spend 4 years in uniform. Good decision for a lot of children. I am a Cruz fan. Check out the post at Ace of Spades.
labcatcher (4495c9) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:10 pmSo in addition to CNN, Politico made upa story about Ben?
My apoligies to Ben!!!!!
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:22 pmmy spelling!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:23 pmIf they all jumped off the empire state building who would win? Anwser the american people. Anyway hillary clinton will be are next president if she cuts down on the gun control talk like president obama did to win his two elections.
beni (35842d) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:24 pmI been hoodwinked by Politico!
Shame on me for listening to Leftist Media!!!!!!!!
Damn u Drudge!!!!!
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:25 pmYep. They pulled me in. Never again. Now I like Carson even more.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:32 pm64.
Carson said and wrote he was offered a “full scholarship” at West Point as a possible result of meeting General William C. Westmoreland..
There are two things wrong with this:
1. Everyone who goes to West Point gets a “full scholarship” There’s no tuition.
2. He wasn’t “offered” anything by anybody. He was encouraged to apply, and told (by his JROTC
Supervisors and/or maybe others too) that (in their opinion, of course) he was a cinch to get in, being the highest ranking ROTC student in Detroit.
He says he didn’t want to do it because he wanted to become a doctor. Instead, he went to Yale. And later to the University of Michigan Medical School, and had a residency in neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland.
Politico didn’t make the whole thing up. Somebody, probably a Democrat, “dropped the dime” on what Carson had written. It turns out also that some details are wrong about the time he nearly knifed his friend. For one thing, he changed the friends’s name. It is not “Bob.” It is also liable to be true. This was Detroit. And Carson probably wasn’t the only person around who carried a knife. But maybe the truth would make Carson look worse than the way he told it. Maybe there was something more to it than “Bob” changing the station on the radio. This would have been one year or two before the 1967 Detroit riot, by the way.
Sammy Finkelman (3a0a59) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:45 pmCarson is definitely not west point material he’s a neurotic fruit loop
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:46 pmhe’d make a great wacky neighbor on a cbs sitcom
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:53 pmthat’s not even the best idea I’ve had all day
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:53 pm67. beni (35842d) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:24 pm
If they all jumped off the empire state building who would win?
The next thing you might expect (joke) is Carson being criticized because he talked about the Empire State Building instead of the World Trade Center in the year 2000.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/us/politics/before-the-stump-ben-carson-took-the-stand-as-an-expert-witness.html?_r=0
Somebody sued both the police and the paramedics and Carson tesified for the paramedics. How is it exactly that the plaintiff would have collected more if the paramedics had also been held to blame? The injuries are what that are. The police were held to be in the wrong.
Carson reduced his rate for reviewing records from $750 an hour to $500 “because this is a city.”
Sammy Finkelman (3a0a59) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:54 pmBtw bevin will be removing clerk’s names from the marriage certificates.
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 12:56 pmWho do I think will drop out before Tuesday? My guess is most likely no one.
As for whom I hope drops out, that’d be the two GOPe candidates, Bush and Rubio. I don’t see it happening anytime soon, but my hunch is Bush will be the first to go of those two.
Arizona CJ (331a26) — 11/6/2015 @ 1:23 pm#62
Steve – we are probably in near exact agreement – the only item i will add is that the likelihood of jail is remote either because 1) if she is elected, then it will take 2/3 of the senate to convict or 2) if not elected, then obuma will pardon her.
Joe from Texas (debac0) — 11/6/2015 @ 1:43 pmThe squirrel running on the hamster wheel in Sammy’s head, to mix rodents in the metaphor, is confusing Sammy again.
1. Lots of 17 year olds confuse an appointment to one of the military academies, the naval academy, the Coast Guard academy with its free tuition, free room and board, plus monthly stipend as equivalent to a scholarship. There is exactly zero problem with Carson remembering his conversation that way.
2. He was told by a four star general, later the Army COS and/or officers from West Point that with his GPA and JROTC record if he wanted to go to West Point that he would get in. They didn’t offer an opinion, they said it would happen. Which is exactly how it works and Carson was told by the exact people who know. Congresscritters and the President don’t waste their appointments on people; they appoint people they know the academies already want.
3. Yes, Politico made the whole thing up. The Carson campaign never admitted that anything was fabricated. When Politico called to verify their facts, the campaign told them the same thing Carson has been saying for years. In 1969 Carson was the top JROTC student in Detroit. Consequently he met GEN Westmoreland at a banquet. True. Carson remembers Westmoreland talking up West Point, and he and/or other officers told him he would get in if he applied. Entirely plausible. If they want you, they’ll find an appointment for you. But as Carson has been saying for years, including in his autobiography, he considered it but he knew he wanted to be a doctor. So he never applied to West Point and instead went to Yale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson
http://afam.nts.jhu.edu/people/Carson/carson.html
Politico fabricated out of thin air that Carson had applied and was admitted to West Point. Then they fabricated out of thin air that the Carson campaign had admitted to the charge, when the Carson campaign had done the opposite. They told Politico that he had never applied to West Point. Politico published the lie nonetheless.
Think about it. Carson had a scholastic record that got him into Yale. He had an excellent JROTC record. And affirmative action has been a thing since forever in the military.
Does anyone doubt that a guy who had all that going for him wouldn’t have gotten into West Point had he wanted to?
Steve57 (ccc381) — 11/6/2015 @ 1:44 pmJoe @77, no doubt we are in near complete agreement. I was just pointing out that gross stupidity and gross arrogance is as much of a defense against a charge of negligently mishandling classified material as claiming you were drunk at the time.
And I agree it’s unlikely Hillary! will face jail time or even be indicted on a misdemeanor despite the fact what is in the public domain demonstrates an open and shut case she committed hundreds of felonies. But there are other ways to torpedo Hillary!
Based upon Obama’s predictable, partisan, and frankly delusional explanation for why he vetoed the Keystone XL pipeline I expect a similar predictable, partisan, and frankly delusional decision not to prosecute Hillary! Which will turn a lot of people into enemies of both Prom Queen and the Wicked Witch of Westchester. The most dangerous of these enemies will be the people who know the secrets, and the people they will need to investigate the leaks but will instead join the leakers.
Good luck dealing with that combination, Obama and Clinton crime families!
Steve57 (ccc381) — 11/6/2015 @ 1:57 pmThe little people will not appreciate having the fact they are the little people rubbed in their faces by the aristocrats who believe themselves above the law.
Steve57 (ccc381) — 11/6/2015 @ 2:01 pmEver heard of not having ‘highly classified’ info as a defense?
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 2:02 pmDunno, narciso. I’ve never removed classified documents from the National Archives by stuffing them into my underwear and socks like a Clinton operative so me and my lawyers haven’t had occasion to explore all the possible defenses.
Steve57 (ccc381) — 11/6/2015 @ 2:24 pmI agree 100% with Steve57. Here’s what I’ve written about this subject elsewhere:
It’s getting the Congressional appointment that’s the hard part. Ask U.S. Grant or Dwight Eisenhower.
Anyone who thinks Westmoreland couldn’t have picked up the phone and gotten any 10 students of his choosing instant Congressional appointments to the Point is showing his own ignorance, both regarding the entry processes for the service academies and the clout of the Chief of Staff of the Army.
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/6/2015 @ 2:48 pmMilitary academy appointments have mattered a great deal in American history.
Eisenhower wanted to go to the Naval Academy, but by the time he’d lined up an appointment he was past the maximum admittance age and had to settle for West Point instead.
As for Grant, from a recent comparative biography of Grant and Lee that I much enjoyed:
Grant never bothered to correct this when he got to the Point, because he’d always hated the initials “H.U.G.” anyway — and thus we got the man who later came to be known as “Unconditional Surrender Grant.”
Beldar (fa637a) — 11/6/2015 @ 3:12 pmthis is what I was referring to:
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=359968
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 3:50 pmforget about that,
https://twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/662784499617542144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 4:31 pmCarson knows a lot about brain surgery. So what? That doesn’t make him presidential material. Near as I can tell, he’s a liberal who hates abortion and most of his supporters aren’t too inquisitive about him other than his Christian credentials.
His occasional forays into economics and government always seem to end up in laughter and/or tears.
Chauncey Surgeon.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:36 pmChauncey Surgeon yes yes yes
well said Mr. M i love that
happyfeet (831175) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:40 pmBashar al-Assad, the President of Syria, is an ophthalmologist? “Papa Doc” Duvalier and Sun Yat-Sen were doctors, too. Margaret Thatcher was a chemist. Here’s a list, it seems to be mostly a Third World thing: https://richardlilfordsfridayblog.wordpress.com/2013/07/19/doctors-and-natural-scientists-who-became-head-of-state/
nk (dbc370) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:54 pmWadda? What’s Paul Rand? He’s an ophthalmologist.
nk (dbc370) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:57 pmwell uribe who helped salvage colombia was a surgeon as well, as was jonathan, who didn’t do such a great job in nigeria, papa doc was an anthropologists,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 6:57 pmBill Clinton was an amateur gynecologist.I denounce myself!
Kevin M (25bbee) — 11/6/2015 @ 7:13 pmyes, he was Otter, if he had gone into politics,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 7:16 pmthe question about Paul Rand is not what but why
and yet
look how much more staying power he has than Scott Walker
happyfeet (831175) — 11/6/2015 @ 7:18 pmthat’s easy he has much of his father’s followers,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/6/2015 @ 7:20 pmheaven’s gate 2: cold kentucky rain
happyfeet (831175) — 11/6/2015 @ 7:24 pmPolitico fabricated out of thin air that Carson had applied and was admitted to West Point. Then they fabricated out of thin air that the Carson campaign had admitted to the charge, when the Carson campaign had done the opposite. They told Politico that he had never applied to West Point. Politico published the lie nonetheless.
What the hell?! I’ve been seeing headlines since this morning emblazoned with “Carson admits to lying” or “Carson lied about…,” but sort of shrugged the whole thing off, yet wincing at the possibility that even someone as brilliant as Carson may have stretched his resume or autobiography a bit on occasion. But I also was assuming there was at least a glint of legitimacy about the reports. IOW, even though I know Politico is a leftwing outlet (or latrine?), I guessed even they wouldn’t be too outrageous towards someone with the background of Ben Carson.
But this episode merely verifies my observation in the past — admittedly flippant (although less so today) — that if black America suddenly became 90-plus percent moderate to conservative instead of 90-plus percent liberal to leftwing, liberals of all persuasions would start pining for a return to the era of “separate but equal.”
Mark (f713e4) — 11/6/2015 @ 7:47 pmThis is supposed to be an actual tweet from Hillary/NBC: http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/hilldoesanal.png
nk (dbc370) — 11/7/2015 @ 5:22 amYes, but you’re leaving out the alternatives. The national disgraces of Sanders and most importantly Hillary! Compared to them, a candidate who advocates for our continued existence as a nation is a step up.
As a last resort I’d vote for the brain surgeon.
Steve57 (ccc381) — 11/7/2015 @ 5:30 am