Two White Privileged Males School Melissa Harris-Perry
[guest post by Dana]
Earlier this week, I posted about SJW Melissa Harris-Perry, who cautioned executive director of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, Alfonso Aguilar, about describing Paul Ryan as a “hard worker”. To SJW Harris-Perry, Ryan, a white, male Republican basking in the luxurious lap of his obvious top-tier privilege, “hard worker” couldn’t possibly be accurate. Because everything must be filtered through the lens of “relative privilege” (see: political identity, gender, power and race). Hence her “image of folks working in cotton fields on my office wall, because it is a reminder about what hard work looks like.”
The Washington Post’s Eric Wemple took issue with Harris-Perry’s scolding of Aguilar and looked at transcripts from her show to see when “hard work” was used by her without any qualifiers:
On Sept. 12, Harris-Perry played a clip of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton saying, “If we women stand together and fight together, we can make our country stronger, we can make our country fairer. We women are not afraid of hard work. And that’s good because we’ve got some hard work to do.”
* On Sept. 6, Harris-Perry, in a discussion about race and policing, said, “What I don’t want to miss is that policing is in fact actually hard work, and there are things that make policing a more dangerous or less dangerous job. And I guess, part of what I’m interested in is, what those sort of facts are, what actually makes it harder or more dangerous to be a police officer.”
* On Aug. 30, Harris-Perry addressed whether a work ethic was critical to the advancement of retired brain surgeon and Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson: “I don’t know whether or not he pulled himself up by his own bootstraps. My suggestion to be actually is that’s probably is not the full story,” said Harris-Perry. When challenged on that assertion, Harris-Perry defended, “I think that hard work is necessary but insufficient condition for success. Which is simply to say, must we work hard? Absolutely. But does hard work necessarily lead to success? No. And so I always want to think about the other side.”
* On Aug. 9, Harris-Perry interviewed actor O’Shea Jackson Jr. from “Straight Outta Compton.” Jackson said, “This is a big-time film that could make or break [producer F. Gary Gray]. He’s not going to just let it go to just appease his friends so they put me through the ringer and all that hard work is building confidence within me, if they needed me I’d do it again.”
* On May 30, Harris-Perry addressed the corruption scandal at FIFA and took this clip from organization President Sepp Blatter: “I will not allow the actions of a few to destroy the hard work and the integrity of the vast majority of those who work so hard for football.”
* On May 3, Harris-Perry highlighted the work of a Baltimore program in which teenagers serve as liaisons to the police. Addressing the youngsters, she said, “Thank you for the work that you are doing on the ground there. Stay safe, stay positive, and keep doing the hard work.”
* On Feb. 28, Harris-Perry focused on labor issues in Gov. Scott Walker’s Wisconsin, and interviewed a union activist who attacked the governor for his policies: “He should apologize to the hard-working men and women of Wisconsin.”
Do you see a pattern here? It’s not difficult. As Wemple points out:
In none of those instances did Harris-Perry uncork any lectures about the historical context of hard work or hard workers. Perhaps that’s because those discussions didn’t fit into the framework of “relative privilege,” which the host cited as the trigger for her outburst against Aguilar.
The lesson, of course, is nothing new: if one’s political identification resemble Harris-Perry’s, you can be deemed a hard worker. But clearly Republicans don’t meet the criteria. And God forbid you are a white, Christian male. From there you can do the identity math.
Also responding to Harris-Perry was Mike Rowe, whose show Dirty Jobs recognized the hard working men and women of our country who are unafraid and unashamed to take on the dirty jobs that keep the American wheel turning:
Melissa Harris-Perry appears to be put off by the suggestion that “hard work” is too often linked with success. She doesn’t like the fact that many hard-working individuals have not enjoyed the same measure of success as Speaker Ryan, who was being acknowledged on her show for his excellent work ethic.
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To me, it sounds as though Melissa is displaying images of slavery or drudgery in her office to remind herself of what hard work really and truly looks like. That’s a bit like hanging images of rape and bondage to better illustrate the true nature of human sexuality. Whatever her logic might be, it’s difficult to respond without first pointing out a few things that most people will find screamingly obvious. So let’s do that.
First of all, slavery is not “hard work;” it’s forced labor. There’s a big difference. Likewise, slaves are not workers; they are by definition, property. They have no freedom, no hope, and no rights. Yes, they work hard, obviously. But there can be no “work ethic” among slaves, because the slave has no choice in the matter.
Workers on the other hand, have free will. They are free to work as hard as they wish. Or not. The choice is theirs. And their decision to work hard, or not, is not a function of compliance or coercion; it’s a reflection of character and ambition.
This business of conflating hard work with forced labor not only minimizes the importance of a decent work ethic, it diminishes the unspeakable horror of slavery. Unfortunately, people do this all the time. We routinely describe bosses as “slave-drivers,” and paychecks as “slave’s wages.” Melissa though, has come at it from the other side. She’s suggesting that because certain “hard workers” are not as prosperous as other “hard workers,” – like the people on her office wall – we should all be “super-careful” about overly-praising hard work.
I suspect this is because Melissa believes – as do many others – that success today is mostly a function of what she calls, “relative privilege.” This is fancy talk for the simple fact that life is unfair, and some people are born with more advantages than others. It’s also a fine way to prepare the unsuspecting viewer for the extraordinary suggestion that slavery is proof-positive that hard work doesn’t pay off.
But of course, given the “relative privilege” of the two people involved in criticizing Harris-Perry, you might want to take it all with a grain of white salt.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:29 amI think what some of this comes from, Dana, is “otherizing” people with whom you disagree. To MHP, people on the Right are evil, ignorant, and mean-spirited. People on MHP’s side are, according to MHP’s world view, well intentioned, fair-minded, and wise.
So if you just spend time with people like yourself, and “otherize” people with whom you disagree, why, it’s perfectly okay to accuse “those folks” of doing “bad” things that you do yourself.
Too much time in the bubble?
As always, a great post.
Simon Jester (1d05d6) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:34 amThank you, Simon Jester.
The bubbles of the new segregation will forever keep us from truly being color-blind. (But of course, that’s the last thing Harris-Perry and her ilk want… just don’t tell anyone.)
Dana (86e864) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:38 amEarlier this week, I posted about SJW Melissa Harris-Perry,
I’d like to see Aguilar respond with a “hey, Melissa, you filter things through your prism of limousine liberalism (and, no, one does not have to be wealthy to be guilty of the two-faced, foolish, immature nature of left-leaning instincts), so you shouldn’t trust your judgment, you shouldn’t trust your accuracy, you shouldn’t trust anything about the way you perceive the world around you!”
Quite honesty, dealing with all the half-crocked, two-bit folks of the left out there really doesn’t deserve any more serious reactions or seriousness than approaching, for example, this forum’s very own happyfeet.
Mark (f713e4) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:41 amMark,
I think it deserves serious ridicule and reaction because, like it or not, that mind-set is what currently influences and controls our politics and policies. Its influence should never be underestimated. That’s the precise reason why our nation currently finds itself in this present state. And that’s why this upcoming election is so critical.
Aguilar later commented that Harris-Perry’s comments were the most absurd thing that he’d ever heard about.
Dana (86e864) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:48 amR.I.P. Al Molinaro, who played “Al” on Happy Days and “Murray the cop” in The Odd Couple
Icy (16eae5) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:49 amIn the real world, people possess individual dignity, and integrity, including hard work, is a respected personal trait.
n.n (55ea47) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:50 amDana, as someone who works in academia, I can promise you that it is not, and has never been about, equality. It’s about privilege, and revenge.
Simon Jester (1d05d6) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:58 amRevenge. Yes.
Dana (86e864) — 10/31/2015 @ 10:04 amI just commented on the earlier MHP thread. The relevant part:
It was freakin’ hot, hard work. All of it. On the first job, clearing brush, I learned the value of good gloves. Also to say “F*** it” if the ants found my bag lunch, and eat the sandwich ants and all when I got my break. An ability that served me well later in Navy survival school.
When I was loading trucks in Fresno, I should have mentioned the company I was working for was in Hayward. So we had to drive for hours to the work site, then back. Which was why my days were from five a.m. to ten p.m. Six hours in a truck, eleven hours loading s*** into an oven.
It motivated me to graduate magna cum laude from the University of California. I know what it’s like to work hard, and I want to be in the position to pay someone to do it.
Or was it just cum laude? I forget. Who cares, when you’re over thirty you shouldn’t be talking about your G.P.A. or honors.
So MHP’s comments are deeply weird, and therefore revealing. She doesn’t have that picture on the wall to remind her of what hard work looks like. She has that picture on the wall to remind her to think pathologically about race and gender.
When she is outside her cult’s cloister, reality might intrude. That picture is on her wall to remind her of what her cult teaches about cause and effect, and allows her to touch base.
Steve57 (79b135) — 10/31/2015 @ 10:04 amI wish it were just academia, Simon Jester.
https://patterico.com/2015/10/26/only-on-msnbc-being-a-hard-worker-is-bad-because-slavery-or-something/#comment-1799572
Steve57 (79b135) — 10/31/2015 @ 10:06 amAnd who gets to define success, or successful, anyway?
Mr 57 makes good points… my initiation to the concept was at the hands of a concrete & gravel perveyor (as a “yard-monkey”) and in a shipyard as a shipfitter. Memories of those days were very valuable as the years progressed. I do keep s picture of a B-17 on the wall to remind me what people like my uncle did to make all this possible, and a wall-tracing of a friend who did not survive Nam. For hard work I need no icons.
Gramps, the original (bc022b) — 10/31/2015 @ 10:25 amThufferin’ Thuccatath!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/31/2015 @ 10:28 amIts influence should never be underestimated. That’s the precise reason why our nation currently finds itself in this present state.
Dana, I think it’s much worse because the average person out there still grimaces when the conversation around them becomes very candid about political preferences and party affiliation. It’s a natural outcropping of the idea that if one does not want a fight to break out at a family gathering, it’s best to avoid talking about religion and politics. Or the cocktail-circuit mindset where people will say, “shhh, please don’t talk about his/her political preferences. To do so is rude and overly personal!”
Such a reaction is one major reason that George W Bush was, if not still is, nonsensical enough to believe it necessary around 2000-2001 to qualify “conservative” with “compassionate.” By contrast, no one has ever pointed out that if a place where a particular set of political preferences and biases is overwhelming and monolithic, and therefore a reflection of those preferences and biases, then the city of Detroit, Michigan is a hallmark of liberalism or leftism in modern America.
If there is one good thing that Donald Trump has brought to the forefront of public debate is his loudmouth demeanor that generally dispenses with the nonsense of “shhh, please don’t be so blunt and candid!” Of course, he doesn’t necessarily include his own ideological quirks in that openness, but his very vocal chortling at facets of the idiocy of political correctness at least is a good start—-and was sort of tag-teamed by Ted Cruz this week in response to the moderators at CNBC.
Mark (f713e4) — 10/31/2015 @ 10:36 amSpeaking of working hard, this is a screaming good deal.
http://www.amazon.com/Wells-Lamont-Premium-Leather-X-Large/dp/B0097OWU76/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1446313103&sr=8-4&keywords=wells+lamont+work+gloves
“You Save: $18.99 (38%)” not to mention saving your precious white skin which never knew a day’s work in it’s life per MHP.
Steve57 (79b135) — 10/31/2015 @ 10:52 amOne suggestion-who ever the GOP candidate is has to make a point of sitting down with Mike Rowe and talking about the value of blue collar work. For too long the Karl Rove BS about “jobs Americans won’t do” has persisted. There’s nothing wrong with getting your hands dirty.Not only because his shows like “Deadliest Catch” and his CNN show appeal exactly the middle class and working class voters the GOP needs to win, but because he has said and continues to say important things about how Obama and the DC establishment has really made a mess and more important how it can be fixed.
Bugg (fa64ec) — 10/31/2015 @ 11:11 amThe problem with affirmative action is that the beneficiaries actually believe they deserve the positions they have achieved. Merit and hard work must be dismissed lest the deficiencies of affirmative action beneficiaries be acknowledged. With the growth of affirmative action, the Harris-Perrys of this world are legion, as is this sort of intellectual nonsense.
How affirmative action skews the personalities and world views of such individuals is clearly visible in Obama’s complete lack of self awareness. It is also the reason that the failure of McCain and Romney to aggressively confront Obama was such a mistake – intellectual confrontation is just the sort of vetting affirmative action recipients never receive and are, therefore, unprepared for. My only guess about this reticence was that these candidates didn’t want to be branded as the ones who demonstrated that this emperor has no clothes by picking on a disadvantaged Black man. In this way, Blacks are eternally condemned to the role of children in our culture, a role that Blacks, themselves, are loudest to demand.
ThOR (a52560) — 10/31/2015 @ 11:14 amProving MH-P is a hypocritical dimwit is an exercise for people who find shooting fish in a barrel to be too challenging.
M. Scott Eiland (1edade) — 10/31/2015 @ 11:27 amMelissa Harris-Perry is an excellent example of Affirmative Action’s inevitable consequences: she’s overly opinionated, aggressively ignorant, pitifully under-educated, and incapable of rational thought. And, all the while absolutely convinced her racially bestowed omniscience exempts her from the common expectations of civilized discourse.
The concept of doing unto others… is as incomprehensible to MHP as her insane racist rants are to others. She looks to be at least 3/4ths white and obviously trying so hard to be black with the rat-tail hair and the blacker than you attitudes she’s made herself into a sick caricature of the angry black woman.
MSNBC should be condemned for encouraging an obviously mental incompetent to spread racist hatred on national TV – but then again, it is NBC.
ropelight (b7aef5) — 10/31/2015 @ 11:42 amPerry is expressing disappointment with herself for not working a day in her life according to her own standards; and envy of other people who have done the same work and feel satisfied with their achievement.
n.n (55ea47) — 10/31/2015 @ 11:50 amMelissa Harris-Perry is an excellent example of Affirmative Action’s inevitable consequences: she’s overly opinionated,
Before I react, would you elaborate on this specifically, please?
Dana (86e864) — 10/31/2015 @ 11:53 amSure, I’m willing to elaborate, but it’ll take me a while. I just hit a big EXACTA in the Breeder’s Cup with Runhappy and Private Zone – the gin-n-tonic is flowing – just to keep the malaria down.
Don’t let me hold you up, go ahead and elaborate if you want.
ropelight (b7aef5) — 10/31/2015 @ 12:12 pmHeh. I’ll wait. I didn’t want to take it the wrong way, that’s all. Enjoy.
Dana (86e864) — 10/31/2015 @ 12:15 pmPoint of information : there never was such a person as a “hard working” slave. In every society that had slaves, each slave did the least work possible. Only the ones under the directeyes of the master or overseer even tried to appear to be hard working. The slaves did their best to appear busy while doing as little work as possible. Check it out.
Michael Keohane (74cef6) — 10/31/2015 @ 12:41 pmRelative privilege. Is that another way of saying “good parents”?
nk (9faaca) — 10/31/2015 @ 1:33 pmMHP exemplifies the old adage, “Often wrong; never in doubt.”
Gazzer (3add11) — 10/31/2015 @ 2:06 pmnk – I was thinking Catholic School was relative privilege.
mg (31009b) — 10/31/2015 @ 3:19 pmLater I loaded moving trucks. Have you ever loaded a moving truck in Fresno CA in the height of a central valley Kali summer?
Steve57 (79b135) — 10/31/2015 @ 10:04 am
Loading moving trucks is very hard, with this Yoda agrees wholeheartedly!
One Question has Yoda! Be easier to load, wouldn’t it, if first you stopped truck from moving?
😆
(lol)
Yoda (feee21) — 10/31/2015 @ 5:01 pmI don’t know what slavery has got to do with this. Perry never mentioned slavery, so why are people assuming she referred to it. The chance that the picture on her wall was taken or drawn before the civil war is pretty low; it’s overwhelmingly more likely that the cotton pickers depicted were free people, working hard to feed their families.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 10/31/2015 @ 5:24 pmYoda, the force just wasn’t with me.
Steve57 (88230f) — 10/31/2015 @ 5:28 pmYou should have stopped there.
Steve57 (88230f) — 10/31/2015 @ 5:31 pmDana, overly opinionated people are Know-it-alls. They try to dominate conversations, denigrate the opinions of others, refuse to accept counter arguments as valid, they jump to conclusions, and are quick to label those who refuse to knuckle under as racists, sexists, homophobs, Southerners, or Republicans, etc.
ropelight (b7aef5) — 10/31/2015 @ 5:40 pmYoda, if you don’t know what bucking hay bales onto a moving flatbed truck entails, count yourself fortunate. It’s a task you don’t want to learn the particulars about from experience.
ropelight (b7aef5) — 10/31/2015 @ 5:49 pmSteve, not everyone has done hard labor. I for one am very thankful that I have never had to. I am not ashamed or guilty over it, and don’t feel as if I’m inferior or owe something to those who have, but I can understand how someone might feel that way.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 10/31/2015 @ 5:59 pmOK, I’ll rephrase it: Slavery has nothing to do with this. Perry did not bring it up, so it’s irrelevant. She didn’t say that the cotton pickers in her picture were slaves, and there’s just no reason to suppose they were.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 10/31/2015 @ 6:01 pmGive her race-baiting SJW history, there is no reason to think she wasn’t either, Milhouse. Zero.
JD (34f761) — 10/31/2015 @ 6:04 pmPerhaps, but that’s argumentum ad hominem. You’re reading bad things into her words just because she’s in the habit of saying bad things.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 10/31/2015 @ 6:08 pmShorter Milhouse: Just because she f***ed a pig, you call her pig-f***er!
felipe (56556d) — 10/31/2015 @ 6:17 pmQ. What do you get when you remove the inside of a hotdog?
felipe (56556d) — 10/31/2015 @ 6:19 pmYoda, if you don’t know what bucking hay bales onto a moving flatbed truck entails, count yourself fortunate.
ropelight (b7aef5) — 10/31/2015 @ 5:49 pm
Yoda was fortunate, indeed not! Fortunate one was you! Yoda love a flatbed, he
would have! Yoda only had ’62 Chevy pick-up to load bales over the side and
into bed of truck! Stacking bales, an art it was to get the best load.
Yoda remembers his first hay stacking job on pick-up dragging a low-sided
hay trailer. With two people throwing bales to (at) you! 12 years of age I was,
and 1 penny per bale I was paid! This included unloading and stacking in
proprietors barns, old houses, etc.
When older I was, got a nickel a bale loading and unloading my ’62 Chevy by myself!
Yoda (feee21) — 10/31/2015 @ 6:37 pmYoda thought he was sh!tting in tall cotton last year he hauled hay for 15 cents a
bale!
Q. What do you get when you remove the inside of a hotdog?
felipe (56556d) — 10/31/2015 @ 6:19 pm
A Ho
Yoda (feee21) — 10/31/2015 @ 6:43 pmtdog? Hoog? No, correct it is not! Must remove the righto, and leave the lefty to truly make it a HOG!
Easy there Yoda, or Milhouse will be encouraged to share more of his inner feelings.
ropelight (b7aef5) — 10/31/2015 @ 6:58 pmFelipe – exactly. It is the pinnacle of absurdity to suggest that she wasn’t talking about that. That is who she is. That is what she does.
JD (34f761) — 10/31/2015 @ 7:16 pmMuch anger in him I sense! Give it up he must, or to the dark side it will lead. Fears being wrong he does!
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
Yoda (feee21) — 10/31/2015 @ 7:19 pmPut it in granny gear and keep up with the bales… 90 degrees, high humidity and ice cold A&W root beer by the gallon.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:41 pmA: A Hollow-weinee. Happy Halloween!
felipe (56556d) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:52 pmBut Yoda gets an “A” for effort!
felipe (56556d) — 10/31/2015 @ 9:53 pmMelissa Harris-Perry, is a JOKE. Why would ANYONE, consider this VAPID CLOWN to be worthy of debate?? WHAT’S WRONG WITH AMERICA??? Is this our countries SUICIDE???? Melissa Harris-Perry is a joke a clown and so far beyond ridiculous as to be silly. YET. REPUBLICANS still feel they need to DIGNIFY and DEBATE the FUKTARDIOUS NONSENSE. Wtf is WRONG with the GOP and this COUNTRY??/
GUS (7cc192) — 10/31/2015 @ 10:51 pmFight back or be vanquished fools.
three named malcontent
mg (31009b) — 11/1/2015 @ 1:36 amnever ever satisfied
poor subdued fella
rehire
What do you mean slavery has nothing to do with this and Perry did not bring it up? Perry brought it up when she “contextualized” Alfonso’s comments in terms of “relative privilege.”
“Relative privilege” is a way of talking about the “white power structure” that this nation is founded upon, as far as people like MHP are concerned. The white power structure that required and included slavery. It’s all part and parcel.
With all due respect to JD @36 you don’t need to know anything about MHP’s history. All you need to do is listen to what she is saying. The words she uses. They have meaning. Her words may be, and are only intended to be, clear to her fellow academics. Which is why I’m translating those words into English.
She couldn’t have been more clear. She brought up slavery. It is what her words meant when they spilled out of her mouth.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 2:46 amBack to reality….
mg (31009b) — 11/1/2015 @ 3:17 amhttp://overpassesforamerica.com/?p=18671
Make darn sure your weapons are clean.
It doesn’t seem proper that elissa has not commented on the series.
mg (31009b) — 11/1/2015 @ 4:05 amI do not believe that you are stupid enough to believe what you wrote, Milhouse. You’re just being provocative. Only a mind-numbed leftist robot could fail to see the nuanced reference to slavery which we all know is quite common among the SJW to prove their bona fides. MHP, like just about all black academics I’ve seen is guilty of acting white. Leftist white to be precise. Which is really red.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:39 amNor should you be. And I hope you are grateful to your parents. As I am to mine. Who didn’t marinade me in the pig-walloWew of blue collar elitism but hoped for more from me.
Seriously, I am proud as punch that you don’t know what hard manual labor feels like. I’ve stood countless watches just so you wouldn’t.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:22 amThat it’s a free country, I mean.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:28 amI was wrong (#19) MHP isn’t 3/4ths White, she’s only half White. Her father is Black and her mother is white, both teach college, her father at MIT and her mother at a community college.
MHP’s arrogantly aggressive low-brow tendency to smear GOP candidates landed her in hot water when she had to apologize on-air for a TV photo segment in late 2013 for hypocritically making fun of Mitt Romney’s family including his adopted Black grandson.
She was denied a promotion to full professor for failing to demonstrate adequate performance in teaching and research. And, in April 2015 the IRS levied a tax lien on MHP and her community organizer husband for about $70,000 in delinquent taxes. They’re making payments.
ropelight (d93310) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:48 amWho said these “cotton-pickers” were slaves.
Many Blacks and Whites worked in the cotton fields long after the Civil War was over.
There were finally relied of their jobs when the Rust brothers, a pair of Socialists no less, invented the “cotton-picker” (not to be confused with the cotton gin which separated the fiber from the seeds) and their jobs were destroyed.
Neo (d1c681) — 11/1/2015 @ 7:14 amOakies and more recent immigrants, their sons, daughters, and grandchildren are still choppin’ cotton in the San Joaquin Valley, which is weed control. Pickin’ is mechanized. You can always tell choppers by the hoes in their hands.
ropelight (d93310) — 11/1/2015 @ 8:33 amAs Orwell noted in “Animal Farm”, some pigs are more equal than others. And in looking at Ms. Harris-Perry’s relative success, (no talent, but she’s black) that aphorism is proven once again.
Comanche Voter (1d5c8b) — 11/1/2015 @ 8:49 amOh when them cotton balls get rotten
nk (9faaca) — 11/1/2015 @ 9:42 amYou can’t hang them like a tampon
On your ears
In that MSNBC newsroom
She said that Paul Ryan is relatively privileged compared to people who have to do physically hard labor such as picking cotton all day. She did not mention or imply slavery.
The “privilege” structure that the “social justice” brigade is convinced has our society in its grip does not depend at all on our history of slavery; it exists, according to them, in all societies and at all times, even ones that never had slavery, and it applies to people whose ancestors never had slaves. It’s about “unearned advantages” that some people have over others simply because of who they are, and the guilt that such people should feel because their privilege comes to them at the expense of those who lack it.
The SJW are 100% correct that privilege exists. Where they’re wrong is in their belief that there’s something wrong with it, that those without it have somehow been done out of something that is rightfully theirs, and therefore that those who have it are guilty and owe something to those without it. Privilege is simply the way the world is; if one believes in God then it’s His will, and if one doesn’t then it’s simply how the cards were dealt. Either way, it has no moral baggage; it carries no guilt for the winners or victimhood for the losers. It just is.
So if she says “good morning”, you immediately jump to the conclusion that she must somehow have made an allusion to slavery?!
Really?! She never ever talks about anything but slavery?! If you read slavery into everything she says, is the problem with her or with you? “Doctor, you’re the one showing me all those dirty pictures!”
Milhouse (8489b1) — 11/1/2015 @ 10:07 amT Exactly. Perry did not say they were slaves, and the only people implying they were are those who are accusing her of bringing up slavery. Maybe they’re the ones with slavery on their minds.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 11/1/2015 @ 10:53 amThere are none so blind as those that refuse to see.
JD (34f761) — 11/1/2015 @ 11:18 amNot seeing things that aren’t there is not blindness.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 11/1/2015 @ 11:59 amClean up at # 64: triple negative.
ropelight (d93310) — 11/1/2015 @ 12:04 pmNot seeing what is there is willful blindness.
I didn’t invent this crap. I learned from the people who did.\
Why are you covering for them?
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 1:24 pmWe are past the question of who injected slavery into the discussion, Milhouse. Pretending otherwise proves the point. So, please, pretend otherwise.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 1:27 pmShe didn’t have to, she inferred they were which is good enough. It doesn’t take a genius to identify what she was alluding to so I don’t understand your belligerence on the issue. Either you’re being deliberately obtuse or you honestly don’t see it. Personally, I think you’re too sharp not to have the depth to see things that aren’t completely spelled out for you so I’m going with deliberately obtuse.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/1/2015 @ 2:58 pmR. I. P. Fred Thompson
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2015/11/01/former-us-sen-fred-thompson-dies-73/74752142/
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 3:27 pmNow, back to your regularly scheduled pragram where Milhouse degrages himself by pretending reality doesn’t exist.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 3:28 pmYou did.
Perry did not say they were slaves,
How could you possibly know what she inferred? You’re making this up.
It takes something to decide she was alluding to slavery, but it’s very far from genius.
Look, the plain fact is that Perry said nothing about slavery, and there is nothing in her words to indicate that she meant anything about slavery. You people have just got slavery on your brains. You think that because she’s a SJW, every word she utters, including “and” and “the”, must be about slavery. That’s not a rational conclusion.
Even SJWs talk about other things from time to time, and in fact SJWs talk less about slavery than most leftists, because they’ve got other things to talk about. They don’t need slavery to create a grievance; they see oppression and privilege everywhere, and to them slavery was just an extreme example. Slavery didn’t create privilege, privilege created slavery.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:11 pmNo, the plain fact is that MHP did say something about slavery, as anyone with a modicum of common sense and the least bit of knowledge of the pedigree behind the phrase “relative privilege” would acknowledge. Your excuse making is nonsensical, Milhouse. Which is why it is being universally laughed at.
In other news I just did 20 Hindu push ups (dands), 30 Hindu squats (bethaks), and ten sit-up get-ups with the 15lb. kettle bell. Then ten over arm swings with the 10lb sledge hammer,followed by a similar number of reps involving squats and lunges.
Because today is my easy day.
But you know that weird isometric thing Bruce Lee did with his weights? Just to show it who is boss? Yeah, I do that with the sledge hammer.
My endless respect, Bruce!
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:25 pmYou people have just got slavery on your brains.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:11 pm
She’s the one with a picture of cotton pickers on her wall, but it is “you people” with slavery on the brain. You are irrational one, sir.
“in fact SJWs talk less about slavery than most leftists”
In fact, Milhouse, you are just babbling, if not outright lying, now.
felipe (56556d) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:26 pmharris perry is an imminently foolish person, likely to summon Graham Chapman’s martinet,
http://narcisoscorner.blogspot.com/2012/09/ambush-on-25-shawwalby-narcisothe-story.html?view=sidebar
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:28 pmThey’re gonna keep you in chains !!!
JD (b3cb62) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:29 pmI was just reminding myself of what hard work feels like.
I find physical effort more useful in that regard than a picture on the wall of cotton fields.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:32 pmWell said, sir. So well said, I had to repeat it down thread.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:41 pmMilhouse…
contrarian act
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:45 pmit has grown quite tedious
suck that keeps sucking
well slavery was the original proletarians, of course there is another brand of slave master,
which has been fought against,
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?aid=8891138
of course, michelle alexander or ta nesi coates will get 100 times,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/1/2015 @ 5:52 pmMelissa Harris-Perry is a conflicted soul. Not so much because she’s a leftist stooge but because she is in a constant state of needing acceptance because she thinks herself a half-breed. Her actions, the many things she’s said on and off the air, her undeterred leftist support regardless of how wrong they are proven solidifies her inability to extricate her self loathing from her identity. She is both the slave and the slave master, the victim and the victimized, the oppressed and the oppressor. Her white half struggles to accept her black half which struggles because of her “relative privilege” which hates her black half for its white privilege. To her Black Lives matter but so do white lives as she can’t live just half a person. And there you have it, a racial version of Bruce/Catlin Jenner. So Milhouse, MHP does not need you to defend her, she has all of liberaldom for that. She needs you to admit she’s better, brighter and a whole lot more enlightened than you. But in the end she, like that poor thing Jenner, just need our prayers for they are lost in a world created by their own philosophy and there’s nothing they can do about it but die.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:18 pmfor too long, they have exalted the likes of Frank Lucas, who put a generation in chains, one of the most pernicious roles that Denzel took up,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:27 pmI am not as kind in my opinion of people like MHP, on either side of the talking head industry. The spiel they peddle is their stock in trade and they tailor it to their market for “purity” and quantity. They’re snake oil salesmen, not thinkers.
nk (9faaca) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:27 pmnk, it is difficult for someone who has spent their entire educational experience being programmed what to say to be able to think. That’s the whole problem with education today it is propaganda and not thinking rather than critical thinking. Take a person brain-washed like that, immerse her in a world where everyone thinks the same, throw in self hate and you have the perfect little leftist enabler who would cheer on whoever the D-SNC talking points say.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:35 pmOT update. My wife’s bruising is almost gone, just a little yellow. Wait, she’s Korean so dark yellow. The car is supposed to be done after Thanksgiving. She’s already moaning about a new car and get this, she likes a Land Rover. Go figure.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:39 pmRev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:18 pm
Wow, that was Kafkaesque, Dementor-like (Harry Potter reference), boom.
felipe (56556d) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:48 pmglad to hear, Rev,
narciso (ee1f88) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:48 pmI know where she can get a 1976 Scout II with 304c.i. V8 and Dana 44 axles replete with 3:54 gears and factory posi in the rear and an Aussie locker up front for a reasonable price.
Somehow I gather that Mrs. Hoagie isn’t into scraping-the-Rustoleom off the Scout type off-roading.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 6:51 pmHoagie,
Good stuff at 80.
Great news re Mrs. Hoagie. I’m pretty sure a new Land Rover is just what a full recovery requires!
Dana (86e864) — 11/1/2015 @ 7:04 pmOk, go with the Land Cruiser.
I’m guessing the leaf springs on the ol’ Scout wouldn’t contribute to anyone’s recovery from surgery in any case.
My best to Mrs. Hoagie. I’m glad to hear she’s up and about and hinting at wanting new products.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 7:20 pmI’d draw the line at a Hyundai Sonata.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 7:24 pmThanks Dana. Steve57 you know damn well My wife doesn’t even know what a Scout is let alone be caught dead in one. I know you’re just spoofin’ me! I’m shocked she likes the Rover. I expected her to want the new Bentley Bentayga which to me is ridiculous. A Bentley SUV? That’s as bad as that stupid Porsche SUV. They’re both answers to questions no one asked. But trust me, she’s got over a month to decide and I can’t see her in a Rover.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/1/2015 @ 7:29 pmNothing personal. I don’t know any of the principals involved. It’s just the Scotsman in me. Oh, you want a Range Rover? Have you checked out the Hyundai Santa Fe?
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 7:29 pmI’m just funnin’ you, Rev.
Again, glad to hear the news and best wishes to your wife.
And I guess the ’76 Scout will go to someone else.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 7:31 pmI’ll keep my eyes open for a Bentley on Old York Rd when I get back to Philly
MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (4a071b) — 11/1/2015 @ 7:38 pmAnd wave when I see it.
MD in Philly, if you go around Hana-rum at Cheltenham and 611 you’ll see her car. Our friend and the lady with her in the accident is a doc too and one of her offices is there plus a big Korean grocery where we shop. You can wave but I’ve sat in my car right next to her and she didn’t see me.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 11/1/2015 @ 7:55 pm“I invented cooking”
Thoughts on Achmed the clock boy, when he was discovered with a pressure cooker in his back pack.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/1/2015 @ 8:09 pmExactly. You are the one equating cotton picking with slavery. That means you’ve got slavery on the brain, because there’s no rational reason to make that connection.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 11/1/2015 @ 8:50 pmOn the contrary, it’s the plain truth. SJWs don’t need to talk about slavery all the time, because to them white people are born in sin even without it.
Milhouse (8489b1) — 11/1/2015 @ 8:54 pmDenial. It’s a river that runs through Milhouse’s property.
Steve57 (88230f) — 11/2/2015 @ 7:26 am