Two Democrats Announcing
[guest post by Dana]
Two Democrats are in the news today. One is on the verge of announcing his run for the presidency and the other announced he may run as an Independent.
Joe Biden is apparently going to announce within 48 hours. Maybe. Which is weird because after the Democratic debate last week, we were emphatically told by the MSM that Hillary had this in the bag. No question about it. But maybe Slow Joe missed that.
Anyway, according to chief White House correspondent Ed Henry:
Three sources close to @VP telling me he’s expected to announce he is running but the sources are all urging caution on 48-hr timeline.
Well, it’s not like Biden hasn’t been trying to win over women for a long time already…
Also in the news, Virginia Sen. Jim Webb’s campaign announced today that the Democrat is considering running as an Independent. This comes on the heels of the Democratic debate which he complained was manipulated to give Hillary Clinton the advantage as she had twice as much speaking time as he did.
The highly-decorated Marine veteran also came under shameful attack after the debate for announcing the enemy he was most proudest of to have made was not Wall Street, the Republicans, or the NRA, but was something entirely different:
“I’d have to say the enemy soldier that threw their grenade that wounded me,” Webb said. “But he’s not around right now to talk to.”
Who wouldn’t get flack for that, right? Because Eew!
And to make matters worse, Democrats were rudely reminded of this:
The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Navy Cross to First Lieutenant James H. Webb, Jr. (MCSN: 0-106180), United States Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, FIRST Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force, in connection with combat operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam. On 10 July 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb’s platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex which appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade which detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel. Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search which yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker. By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.
Democrats are still wringing their hands.
If Biden jumps into the race and Webb goes Independent, how is Hillary impacted? (If she is at all, that is.) Some pundits are concerned that if Webb goes Independent, it will pose more of a threat to the Republican candidates than to the other Democrats in the race. What say you?
Note: Jim Webb’s son forcefully defended his father after the debate criticism. You can read it here.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:25 pmif Webb goes indie and Trump goes indie
that would be kinda fun
happyfeet (831175) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:31 pmI’m not a big fan of third party or independent candidates. Historically, they seem to result in pretty poor choices for the nation. I know lots of folks don’t agree with that.
But you know what? I’m an ABH kind of person.
Eyes on the goal.
Simon Jester (52b5e8) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:34 pmThat would make it Hillary!, a lying grifter, Sanders, the guy who just loves the worst ideas of the last century, the Other Guy who hates the NRA because any group of Americans who want to preserve their Constitutional rights is his enemy and Biden who could accidentally lock himself in his own car. What a cast of characters.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:35 pmWhat’s an ABH?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:36 pmWould a Biden announcement mean that an indictment or some other really bad news for Hillary Clinton is imminent? Same for Webb and his indy threat. Some vicious political hardball/payback? Dems are known for it.
poteen2 (1b449e) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:37 pmAfter Clinton the Dem bench is pretty thin and she is getting hammered.
Anyone But Hillary, Hoagie.
She has a lot to prove after decades of humiliation due to her husband.
Simon Jester (52b5e8) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:40 pmOT. My wife went shopping at Nordstrom today with our Korean friend, Dr. Annie. They were broadsided on the way home. Minor bumps and bruises but the lady who clocked them was an illegal. No ID, no license, no insurance, tag and inspection expired and spoke no English. The car was shipped to the shop. Can’t wait till tomorrow for the damages. They got lucky, she hit them past the front door post in the rear door.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:42 pmThank you Simon. If that b!tch has anything to prove it’s that she’s capable of telling the truth just one time.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:46 pmSays to me that Hillary is going to be buried by the Bengahzi investigation. They have the poll.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:52 pmHoagie, I’m glad your wife and friend are okay. It’s not surprising to me that politicians get very broad minded about things that don’t actually impact them. I sincerely wish that the decisions they made directly entered their lives, as they do for the voters. And I mean that in a wholly nonpartisan way.
Still, I am glad they are okay.
As for HRC, I do think that she has decades of anger from all the nonsense she had to put up with; she will try to prove things. Really scary, I think.
Simon Jester (52b5e8) — 10/19/2015 @ 6:55 pmThis is a weird year. I am reminded of 1992. Not good memories.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:04 pmI said to Mrs G last night if Slow Joe Kinnock is in, look for Hillary! to be indicted. TFG hates the Clintons and who better to bumble along with his policies that the current Veep? Keep your popcorn dry…
Gazzer (7baf28) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:07 pmI soooooooooo want to see Biden jump into the race. That will rip the band-aid off the rift between the Clinton and Obama camps. It will be a joy to watch.
JD (b3cb62) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:12 pmGaming it out, I could easily vote for Webb as independent, Democrat, or Republican.
Unless
Trump is the GOP nominee, Webb has no chance of winning Florida, and the Democratic nominee needs my vote to defeat Trump in a close election.
Or (further unless)
Trump is out of the race, Webb has no chance of winning Florida, and the GOP nominee needs my vote to defeat the Democratic nominee in a close election.
If the election is not close, vote for Webb even if he has no real chance.
Above is based on my opinion of Hillary as the next to the worst candidate in this election, and Trump is the worst. Almost everyone is better than Hillary, but even she is better than Trump.
I do suspect, from tone of comments, that some people here prefer Webb to some of the actual GOP candidates (like, say, a guy named Jeb).
kishnevi (31ba4e) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:17 pmRev H, glad to know your wife and friend are okay.
kishnevi (31ba4e) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:20 pmWebb voted for Obama are stimulus Sutton dillinger, the whole kit and kaboodle.
narciso (ee1f88) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:22 pmHe cosied up to the same people who spot on him when he came home, who he denounced in his earlier work.
narciso (ee1f88) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:24 pmHoagie,
I’m sorry to hear about you wife, but glad she and her friend sustained no serious injuries. However, it may be that in a few days so, some aches and pains make themselves known. My best wishes for her.
Unlicensed, uninsured illegal? Surely, you must be mistaken.
Dana (86e864) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:28 pmI was an enlisted man from 3/68 to 8/71, the Vietnam-era and volunteered. I received $73/month as a Private and $250/month as a Sergeant, my final grade was E-5.I was ordered to be promoted to E-6 but the orders were cut 2 weeks after I left active service, even though I continued as an enlisted reservist for several more years.I remember the era very well when officers like 1LT Webb were busy giving one another medals. Typically officers came from Vietnam dripping in medals, ribbons and badges they gave one another. One thing that they rarely did was award comparable medals to the enlisted men who were equally heroic and took the same chances. This Naval Academy graduate – the very class of officers who gave out the most medals to each other. So what is Webb’s record in this regard? When Webb was in the Senate he passed the “post-9/11 GI Bill” Not mentioned is the fact that he excluded his own enlisted buddies from coverage…a shitty deal…which he did for votes!!!
Timothy N. Hunter (9daba1) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:35 pmChuck Norris facts: Chuck Norris thinks Jim Webb is a badass.
NickM (63e1a7) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:47 pmCreepy pedo Joe is running?
Wow.
DemoKKKrat Party looking very white to me.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:49 pmShe’s NEVER given a flying f### about that, Simon. The goal has always been to be at this point in her slimy career. Billy Jeff always was just a step stool.
Bill H (2a858c) — 10/19/2015 @ 7:58 pmThank you for your service Timothy. How do you feel about grenades and officer’s tents?
felipe (56556d) — 10/19/2015 @ 9:22 pmSomehow, I get this nudge of a feeling. My feeling is everything is happening for a goal. That goal is Hillary! And Trump has been part of the plan all along. Webb is a Democrat trying for a Fox job.
Please vilify as necessary to prove I have no idea what I’m talking about. Come back when Hillary! is President and discuss.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 10/19/2015 @ 9:23 pmAg80, I have the same feeling. It would be naive to discount collusion.
felipe (56556d) — 10/19/2015 @ 9:30 pmI don’t know about “everything”, Ag, but I’ve been saying all along that Trump is working for Hillary.
nk (dbc370) — 10/19/2015 @ 9:35 pmHope all works out for the best Rev.
mg (31009b) — 10/19/2015 @ 9:52 pmAlmost everyone is better than Hillary, but even she is better than Trump.
Sorry, kishnevi, but NO one or NO thing is worse than Hillary. She’s the bottom of the bottom as far as I’m concerned.
Glints of left-leaning bias have peaked out of you on occasion (if I’m not confusing you with someone else) so that may be a factor in your impressions of Trump compared with Bill’s horrible doormat. After all, I sense that anyone who is truly, firmly grounded on the right will either despise Hillary more than Trump or discount both of them equally.
but I’ve been saying all along that Trump is working for Hillary.
The squishiness of Trump makes your theory not implausible, but the squishiness of certain other Republicans, particularly Jeb Bush, makes them suspicious (and unreliable) in their own right.
Mark (f713e4) — 10/19/2015 @ 10:05 pmHave various Republicans publicly expressed more ire towards one another as they have towards liberal loons and goons like Hillary and Barack?
Mark (f713e4) — 10/19/2015 @ 10:29 pmApparently, Biden does that a lot. And the guys… I mean, eunuchs, stare awkwardly in obeisant disbelief.
n.n (d200a0) — 10/19/2015 @ 10:34 pmIf the Dems don’t like the voting results , they will just change the results.
seeRpea (33fb5c) — 10/20/2015 @ 12:01 amhttp://therightscoop.com/i-just-dont-like-this-guy-george-w-bush-trashes-ted-cruz-at-jeb-bush-fundraiser/
mg (31009b) — 10/20/2015 @ 12:33 amThis family is a disgrace to the American loving taxpayer.
This dope of a president would never say anything bad about anything or anybody during his disgraceful presidency, but since yeb sucks so bad , now his useless brother trashes Mr. Cruz.
Go to Hell Boooshes.
Webb leaving the Dems, and saying why, would tend to peel just that many more white males out of the Democrat party. Particularly if Hillary is the candidate. He’s a safe vote for people who can’t see themselves voting Republican, but can’t stomach Hillary, just like Anderson was in 1980.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/20/2015 @ 1:03 ammg,
Apparently most people who have to work with Cruz dislike him. He may have the right message, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a real dick. Men-on-a-mission rarely make a lot of friends.
Of course it’s hard to understand why one would single Cruz out of a crowd that includes Trump, who is a much bigger dick with about 60 fewer IQ points.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/20/2015 @ 1:08 amIf Biden runs, he will have to answer for fighting to stop the bin Laden raid, and for running off his mouth in a way that got those same SEALs killed.
One SEAL mom talking about what her son did and how he died and Biden can pack it in.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/20/2015 @ 1:11 amA vote for Webb is a vote for Obamacare. I can’t seeing many Republicans choosing Webb over any Republican this side of Kasich. As for Trump, any worry would be one more in a VERY long list of reasons not to nominate Trump.
But I can see disaffected Democrats, particularly working heterosexual white males, should there be any left in the Democrat party, protesting the Social Justice Warriors who’ve taken over the Democrat party. The UAW and the Teamsters may officially endorse H, but their rank and file probably doesn’t feel like dying on the hill marked LGBTTQQIAAP.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/20/2015 @ 1:27 amI would venture to say the booosh brothers are cowards, liars, and are full of –it.
mg (31009b) — 10/20/2015 @ 2:57 amNeither one could tell the truth.
Mr. Cruz wants to save America from people like the Boooshes.
mg (31009b) — 10/20/2015 @ 3:13 amyes yes a Trump/Cruz ticket would be the end of the bushfilth wing of the party
this needs to happen
chop chop pickleheads
happyfeet (831175) — 10/20/2015 @ 3:59 amKrauthammer suggests Biden will be the Dem’s insurance policy if Hillary is indicted. He’s a lot more optimistic about that than I am.
Dana (86e864) — 10/20/2015 @ 5:55 amWebb’s treatment by CNN (a subsidiary of the DNC) was hardly surprising considering how reality-challenged the socialists are, generally. What I thought was most telling was the reaction of Webb’s son:
It wouldn’t be surprising to find that since dad is a socialist the son is one also. However, especially if he was in the Marines, what sort of mental gymnastics did he go through to justify the hate heaped upon the military by his own political party? He didn’t notice that since the Vietnam War, the Left has nothing but utter scorn for the military, regardless of whether the military action is morally justified (by the socialists’ standard) or not? He didn’t notice that Kerry’s military service was tolerated because he disavowed it?
To both Mr. Webbs: you might want to consider your political affiliations. It’s just a thought.
J.P. (cc46f4) — 10/20/2015 @ 8:10 amFirst guys, thanks for your well wishes. Yes, my wife is sore ad her wrist and side are bruised. She’ll see the doctor today. I haven’t heard from Dr. Annie yet.
J.P., what you don’t understand is Webb suffers from PTSD, shellshock. Probably mixed with a bit of cognitive dissonance. Either that or he’s just a nucking fut. Either way being a warrior and a democrat/socialist disqualifies him for President as a Section 8.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 10/20/2015 @ 8:30 amWe all know about Trump having the golden touch, but did you know one of his balls are crystal?
While Jeb is busy forgetting that he agreed with Trump’s assessment of GWB’s culpability in Jeb’s own book from 2013, ‘Immigration Wars,’ in which he wrote that the airplane hijackers who attacked New York City and Washington D.C. on Sept. 11, 2001 were allowed into the U.S. under ‘leaky’ immigration policies presided over by his brother, President George W. Bush…
Are you seeing this? Trump is dismantling Jeb’s campaign, while at the same time drawing attention to the monumental weaknesses of the Hildabeast.
In real time.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 10/20/2015 @ 8:32 amSo Mrs. Hoagie is going to heal. What about the car?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 10/20/2015 @ 8:34 amI’m tellin’ you guys the insidious lure, the siren song of free, free, free of socialism is irresistible by people not grounded in the love of Liberty. That’s why the meme “income inequality” is bantered about by them so much. With Freedom comes inequality. Under slavery, all are equal. All that is save the masters.
Our country is turning socialist faster than ever and those of us who believe in the Rugged Individualism that built America will be overwhelmed by hordes of aliens, legal or illegal who will out vote us into submission then to extinction.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 10/20/2015 @ 8:41 amBentley made a lot of cars; there’s only one Mrs. Hoagie. All the best wishes, Hoagie.
In Chicago, this illegal would get a 100% pass. No jail time; no fine because there’s no way to enforce it; no suspension of license or plates because there are none; nothing to garnish or attach in a civil judgment since any money, if any, is under the table. That’s what sanctuary city means. In contrast, a law-abiding residing would be facing all of this, including a warrant and jail time if he did not pay the fine and jail if caught driving with a revoked license.
nk (dbc370) — 10/20/2015 @ 8:50 amSorry, kishnevi, but NO one or NO thing is worse than Hillary. She’s the bottom of the bottom as far as I’m concerned.
Glints of left-leaning bias have peaked out of you on occasion (if I’m not confusing you with someone else) so that may be a factor in your impressions of Trump compared with Bill’s horrible doormat. After all, I sense that anyone who is truly, firmly grounded on the right will either despise Hillary more than Trump or discount both of them equally.
It’s rather the difference between Moloch and Baalzebub. I don’t want either of them in the White House.
My aversion to Trump is colored by the fact that even by his own admission, the biggest thing going for him is his ego.
But also I think that Trump in the White House is worse for conservatism than Hillary.
No one will have any inhibitions in attacking Hillary if she wins, and doing so even before January 20, 2017. If Clinton is indicted or whatever, and Biden steps in (or another Democrat), the same thing holds, although possibly out of courtesy the attacks won’t start until January 21.
Trump is a different matter. He will be (presumably) President as a Republican, and the people who vote for Trump will bot be, by and large, not Tea Party folks. (Look around the comments here. Out of everyone who comments, there seems to be only one person who thinks positively about Trump.)
He will get the vote of disaffected Democrats-the ones Kevin M suggests would vote for Webb– nd anyone who believes in strict immigration policies–but doesn’t care as much as you folks about Obamacare or federal spending or almost anything. And no one one the Republican side will be able to attack him when he goes liberal (or at least, gain traction for that attack) for some time to come. It will be harder to oppose his bad policies. And you know he will have plenty of them.
So I think a President Trump is even worse than a President Clinton
kishnevi (870883) — 10/20/2015 @ 9:14 amLet me ask you a question (and let us hope it remains a purely hypothetical question), suppose next November 1, you are get ready to vote, with a ballot that says Clinton D Trump R.
How would you vote? Or would you not vote out of disgust?:
Well, nk, I just got off the phone with the shop. Damages $72,684.17. They verified the lady has no insurance of record so it falls on my uninsured motorist. I’m sure my rates will take a giant leap. This broad has probably already skipped. Plus, I know my wife and I know Koreans, once a car is crashed they don’t want it any more, bad MoJo. So I guess it’s car shopping time. The insurance guy said the car appraises at $244,000. So a one year old Mulsanne that cost $338,000 already lost $94,000. That’s about $20 a mile. So her arm and side hurt and my a$$ is killing me!
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 10/20/2015 @ 9:20 amKishnevi, if you don’t vote Clinton wins. If you vote Clinton, Clinton wins. I’ll vote Trump. I would vote for happyfeet before I’d vote for that lying, socialist grifter.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 10/20/2015 @ 9:23 amThe preceding was not an endorsement for happyfeet for President and it does not reflect the opinion of this blog.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 10/20/2015 @ 9:28 amI’ll vote Trump. I would vote for happyfeet before I’d vote for that lying, socialist grifter.
From my POV, the phrase lying, socialist grifterapplies at least as much to Trump as does to Hillary.
kishnevi (870883) — 10/20/2015 @ 9:30 amYikes hoagie, but at least she’s okay:
http://fullmeasure.news/news/measure-up/pete-hoekstra-interview
narciso (ee1f88) — 10/20/2015 @ 11:47 amA lobbyist must be in a state of commotion thinking Trump could win.
mg (31009b) — 10/20/2015 @ 1:07 pmNo president did more harm to the republican party than gee wiliker boosh. His spending with a republican congress was repulsive.
As of right now I have no problem voting for Trump over bill’s wife.
So I’m at a stop-sign when this guy comes running up to me. “Hey, buddy”, he says through my window, “you almost hit my wife back there”. I say, “I’m sorry, I didn’t even see her”. He says, “You could have killed her”. I say, “I’m sorry”, again. He says, “You just missed her by this much” holding his thumb and forefinger about half an inch apart. I’m starting to get annoyed. I say, “Look, mister. The lady is not hurt and I already apologized twice. What more do you want from me?” He says, “Could you go back and try again?”
nk (dbc370) — 10/20/2015 @ 3:58 pmDamages $72,684.17. If that were ones, you’d need a forklift.
Rev. Hoagie must be one of them televangelists.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 10/20/2015 @ 5:25 pmKishnevi, if you don’t vote Clinton wins. If you vote Clinton, Clinton wins. I’ll vote Trump. I would vote for happyfeet before I’d vote for that lying, socialist grifter.
Kishnevi, Hoagie’s sentiments pretty much align with mine.
Although your theory of the awkward triangulation that would occur for conservatives with a Trump in the White House compared with a Hildebeast (aka Hillary) is not without some merit, I think ultimately another four years of loony leftism — spewing forth continuously should Bill Clinton’s doormat worm herself in — in the executive branch of the federal government will be the worst outcome possible.
What makes Hillary much more — far more — contemptible than Trump is her innate, corrosive and corrupt liberalism intermixed with sociopathic dishonesty. And although the latter suffers from too much ego, an overly thin skin, and no shortage of squish-squish, his stance on illegal immigration is clearly the most plain-spoken, most non-PC of any of the candidates, Democrat, independent or Republican. And that’s not a minor distinction based on the meaning of the phrase: Demographics is destiny.
Mark (f713e4) — 10/20/2015 @ 8:11 pmKrauthammer suggests Biden will be the Dem’s insurance policy if Hillary is indicted. He’s a lot more optimistic about that than I am.
That’s like Agnew running in 1976 in some alternate non-Watergate universe. “Assassination insurance” VP’s don’t make good candidates.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/21/2015 @ 1:13 amIf Trump wind the nomination it won’t matter how anyone votes. He’s Hillary’s shill and will take his dive on cue.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/21/2015 @ 1:16 am