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10/2/2015

Obama: This Mass Shooting Is “Something We Should Politicize”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:35 am



President Obama politicized the Oregon mass shooting yesterday. He made it difficult for his hackish supporters to deny he was doing so, telling assembled reporters that gun violence is “something we should politicize.”

Obama did not explain how any particular law would have prevented the shooting yesterday, since basic facts were not known when he spoke — such as whether the gun had been obtained legally, or whether it had been a so-called “assault weapon.” No matter. His was a simplistic argument for a simple-minded audience: it was a shooting, so we need more gun laws. The details of whether any new laws would have actually mattered were irrelevant details, as they always are.

Notably, the fact that the shooting happened in a “gun-free zone” — as these mass shootings almost always do — was not mentioned.

The closest Obama came to making an argument about the efficacy of gun control was to refer to the case of Britain. But as economist Thomas Sowell has noted, gun control laws have never made America safer — even when New York had them and London didn’t:

The few counter-examples offered by gun control zealots do not stand up under scrutiny. Perhaps their strongest talking point is that Britain has stronger gun control laws than the United States and lower murder rates.

But, if you look back through history, you will find that Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries – and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun control laws than the United States. Indeed, neither country had stringent gun control for most of that time.

In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had had the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons.

Neither guns nor gun control was not the reason for the difference in murder rates. People were the difference.

Sometimes it helps to look at trend lines. Truths emerge that you might otherwise have missed.

Meanwhile, early reports said the shooter was singling out Christians:

“[He started] asking people one by one what their religion was. ‘Are you a Christian?’ he would ask them, and if you’re a Christian, stand up. And they would stand up and he said, ‘Good, because you’re a Christian, you are going to see God in just about one second.’ And then he shot and killed them,” Stacy Boylen, whose daughter was wounded at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore., told CNN.

Does that sound like a guy who was going to be stopped by a law? Or only by a bullet?

96 Responses to “Obama: This Mass Shooting Is “Something We Should Politicize””

  1. Well, if we are going to politicize it, how about noting that this was a gun free zone. Had someone with a sidearm been there, it is likely that he would have been stopped far sooner, with far fewer fatalities.

    Guns don’t kill people. Gun control kills people.

    Bored Lawyer (d869b1)

  2. these shootings give food stamp a fascist lil chubby but he needs to chill out

    the gun control horse has left the barn

    this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  3. He’s like a little boy who can’t get his way so he throws a fit.

    I have to hand it to O’Reilly, who called him out and was the only person who had the guts to say it. What about Chicago? Don’t black lives matter there?

    http://tinyurl.com/qz7zc7h

    Patricia (5fc097)

  4. That was obvious seven years ago. Obama might have talked a good game about bipartisanship, etc., bt it was always very clear that this was part of his character.

    How anyone could have heard the “bitter clingers” comment and *not* expected this is beyond me.

    bridget (c5e8b2)

  5. Greetings:

    I grew up in the Bronx of the ’50s and ’60s. The local folk wisdom was that because of the Sullivan Law the only people who could get pistol permits were retired cops, cash business owners, and the politically connected. Thankfully, the local marketeers sprang into action, and non-permitted pistols could be obtained in two or three days. Specific models might take a couple of weeks.

    There were no long gun restrictions that I was aware of in those days, again, thankfully, as I had a 22 and a 12 gauge. I believe it was in the ’70s when long guns had to be “registered” but not so much permitted. So the apparatchiks whould know where to go when they got the nerve to confiscate them.

    Bottom line, that London versus New York comparison is somewhere between “apples and oranges” and “off kilter”.

    11B40 (0f96be)

  6. Delusional sociopath murders innocents at a gun-free zone — time to politicize it in order to push for a gun control agenda.

    Illegal immigrant who should be deported but for an unwillingness of a morally smug sanctuary city to work with federal authorities — hey, don’t try to turn this into a case for tighter immigration compliance laws!

    JVW (ba78f9)

  7. Obama’s mouth is an assault weapon. How many have died because Obama can’t keep it shut?

    PCD (39058b)

  8. We have seen how reasonable gun regulations were enforced in Chicago, Illinois.

    Chicago required handguns to be registered. No problem, right? What is wrong with requiring registration of handguns? All you do is fill our a form and mail it to the appropriate address.

    Except that they refused to provide new registration forms. They refused to process new registrations. Of course, for some reason, rich, white people with political connections to the Daley junta somehow managed to be able to register their handguns. Not that they actually needed those forms- one of them had actually been pulled over for suspicion for drunk driving, spat at the arresting officer, was found with a unregistered pistol with the serial numbers filed off (a federal offense), and was later allowed to walk- with the gun.

    Can you imagine if voting was treated like this, if officials refused to accept registrations of new voters (especially if huge numbers of the “wrong” kind of people recently moved into the precinct). Would any civil rights organization (let alone voting rights organizations) tolerate a government’s refusal to accept new voter registrations (let alone refusing to provide the forms in the first place)

    It is the height of chutzpah to require registration of anything as a condition of ownership, and then to go on and refuse to accept new registrations. that any politician would defend this is inexplicable by anything except hostility to private gun owners.

    Michael Ejercito (d74b61)

  9. Steven Hayes talked about Chicago on Special Report, two hours before O’Rithing. Obama and his media colluders simply wish to distract from his disaster of a week.

    Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b)

  10. @1– Bored Lawyer beat me to it…. Just one person with a pistol in that class room would have made a significant difference. As it is, there is a report that one student moved to take on the shooter and caught several rounds for his effort; had he been armed?? game over. [reference Clacamas (sp?) Mall shooting during holiday season of 2013.]

    Instead we will be a push for more laws. Perhaps a doubling of the fine for violating the gun-free-zone, or maybe pushing the zone out another 100 feet…. Do they not know that murder already carries a significant penalty?

    Gramps, the original (bc022b)

  11. if this many peoples are killed by terrorisms and this many peoples are killed by guns, how many calories are in a magnum double peabnut bubber ice cream bar?

    the answer is 340

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  12. Patterico – am I wrong, or didn’t he reference the Australian laws glowingly, neglecting to mention confiscation?

    JD (2ee6b6)

  13. yep, and there was just one of those impossible events down under today,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  14. Left wing media (MSM) is having a field day with reporting this. Which is exactly what the shooter wants; publicity! Idiot radio station lefty editors are doing everything possible to keep scaring the females in the audience. How many guns did he have!!! Details at the top of the hour!!!!

    Other than the people on campus, a shooter is not a threat to someone else and the media should shut up. Local media should report, state level or national, no way.

    dee (9481f0)

  15. Re Narcico’s link

    Two armed men walked into police station at Parramatta and were reportedly shot dead.

    In a country chocked full of gun free zones, this knucklehead picked a police station .

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  16. Wish our crazed gunmen were so obliging.

    Sounds more like a suicide by cop than a terrorism.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  17. I read an article about this last week. Can’t remember where, so no link. Essentially, there have been no mass shootings in Oz since the ban, but it was a declining trend anyway. In fact, in nearby NZ there have been no shootings since then either and they are armed to the teeth, relatively speaking. Causal vs correlation.
    Also, in the UK the rate of violent crime is 4 times that of the USA. They just use knives, bottles, bricks, bats and their bare hands. Some f*wit decapitated a soldier on the street in the middle of the day, for heaven’s sake!

    Gazzer (e4c918)

  18. i don’t get any kind of sense today that food stamp lit any kind of fire with his immature emotional vomitings yesterday

    it seems like sheriff bob has stolen the whole conversation with his don’t mention the dude’s name idea

    poor food stamp

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  19. UNITED NATIONS — President Obama called upon a conclave of world leaders on Tuesday to fight violent extremism not just with weapons but with ideas, jobs and good governance, a strategy he has long advocated. There are few signs that it is succeeding.

    Neo (d1c681)

  20. There are few signs that it is succeeding.
    At anything…

    Gazzer (e4c918)

  21. The problem of devising laws that work and do more hood than harm seems to be the sort of detail President Obama does not concern himself with, but simply assumes away. This is ageneral problem with him.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  22. Its 1440hr out west (that’s 2:40pm for you SJW and farmers) and the Bloviator-In-Chief is holding a presser and embarrassing himself constantly…. very sad, it is.

    Gramps, the original (bc022b)

  23. Gramps – it was pathetic.

    JD (34f761)

  24. I think he’s absolutely right: gun violence should be politicized, starting with gun violence in Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans and Oakland. That’s where the real gun violence is taking place. Roseburg is one and done, but not our big blue cities.

    But will we? Not a chance, because Eric Holder was absolutely correct in his assessment: we are a nation of cowards when it comes to race.

    ThOR (b81f2a)

  25. That was some presser! I’d say Obama is losing it, but he lost it a long, long time ago. Losing his train of thought, asking “what was the question again?” Watching Juan Williams struggling to defend him as I write this is EFFing hilarious,

    Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b)

  26. Worst. President Salesman. Ever.

    Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b)

  27. Colonel, not for guns, he isn’t.

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  28. 994 mass shootings in the US in the past three years.

    I don’t know what, if anything, can really be done about that. But it is truly shocking.

    Leviticus (f9a067)

  29. Greatest Gun and Ammo Salesmen. Of all time.

    mg (31009b)

  30. Ya got me there, Gazzer and mg…

    Colonel Haiku (fd5d8b)

  31. Gazzer, Col.
    A friend runs security at a major gun maker and has mentioned on a factory wall there is a large photo of obama with the caption -Salesmen of the Year. Six consecutive years!!

    mg (31009b)

  32. Russia, he predicted during a White House press conference, would get stuck in a “quagmire,” adding, “It just won’t work, and they’re going to stay there for a while.”

    food stamp went with the talking points we got spammed here yesterday

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  33. run you clever boy

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  34. Kishnevi did you notice the number of incidents in Chicago and other democrat enclaves? It was quite interesting that the shooting in Waco on May 15, this year where 9 were killed and 18 wounded wasn’t mentioned on the news. At least I hadn’t heard about it. Ya think maybe 90%of these are gang or drug related?

    The only way to completely stop this type of thing from occurring is by total gun confiscation. That’s what the left is really shooting for (pun intended). Well, molon labe boys. If they want blood let them try.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  35. Today, Obama actually talked about a “silver bullet” not being found #TriggerWarning

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  36. The Associated Press story that ran on my local newspaper’s website this morning neglected to mention that the gunman appeared to single out Christians as targets.

    However, the story did point out that the shooter grew up in a “conservative” community.

    An updated story on the newspaper’s website does mention that the shooter may have targeted victims because of their religion, but the story fails to identify the religion.

    Deuce Frehley (73c323)

  37. Unconfirmed rumors circulating the Oregon shooter was a bi-racial Black Muslim and active in Black Lives Matter.

    ropelight (948e30)

  38. Hoagie, you did mean Leviticus, didn’t you?

    I would suspect gang violence in all those. But Fort Myers and Ocala (which also are in the list,)are not exactly hotbeds of Democratic voters.

    Ropelight, he was certainly biracial: black mother and white father who essentially disappeared before birth. The other claims do not match what I have heard.

    kishnevi (31ba4e)

  39. kishy, better take another look at Fort Myers, crumbling business sector, lots of violent crime, heavy minority population. Not the place to be after the sun goes down.

    ropelight (948e30)

  40. the shooting in Waco on May 15, this year where 9 were killed and 18 wounded

    I believe was a gangfight between two motorcycle gangs and most, if not all, the shooting and killing was by the cops.

    The one in Fort Bell, Florida was a demented old man wiping out his whole family and then himself. The British should just sit there quietly watching Pakistanis molest their children and keep their noses out of America’s business.

    nk (9faaca)

  41. Isn’t the Guardian where Greenwald and the other queers from Wikileaks published the stuff Snowden stole for Putin?

    nk (9faaca)

  42. Another Republican …

    he was certainly biracial: black mother and white father who essentially disappeared before birth.

    This is the flip side of the current renter in the White House.

    BobStewartatHome (10a570)

  43. As I mentioned upthread, the Limeys still have a violent crime rate 4 times that of ours. Just with knives and bricks and bats.

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  44. So, Bob… are you saying if Obama had a son, he’d look like Chris Harper Mercer?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. Ahhh … but is that UK really violent??? No mention of swords, foils, axes, maces, and lances, not to mention fire bombs. Sounds like a Friday night in Deadwood. But then again you didn’t mention crucifixion, strangling and stoning, so perhaps you’re massaging the statistics???

    BobStewartatHome (10a570)

  46. Crucifixion’s a doddle.

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  47. Yes kishnevi, I meant Leviticus, sorry.

    I believe was a gangfight between two motorcycle gangs and most, if not all, the shooting and killing was by the cops.

    And that’s why one cannot trust stats and numbers spewed out on lists, nk. Just like I don’t for a NY minute trust these wackadoodle polls they constantly quote on TV. We all know they manipulate the question to get the answer they want so it’s all fake.

    So basically if you take out cop shootings, gang shootings, shootings in cities with complete gun bans (which I still can’t figure out how they Constitutionally get away with that) and solid Red cities that 994 “mass” shootings ends up about 10 or one per year among the civilized of our country.

    Now let’s measure that against a true accounting of potentially fatal crimes thwarted by law abiding gun owners. Betcha more lives are saved than lost each year with guns. That’s the “invisible” gun stat!

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  48. “They” estimate between 1.5M and 4M DGUs each year. Impossible to know for sure as many are not reported and in some cases the gun is not even fired.

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  49. I like the statistic about children killed or injured by guns where “child” is 19 years old and under.

    nk (9faaca)

  50. Colonel, it’s not apparent that the current renter in the White House is capable of having a son, except for the exceptional moment (or two) when he thinks he can fool another generation of children by arising to the occasion and aligning his words with the emotions of a mob of rioters.

    The Bully Pulpit has sunk to new lows … and it sinks deeper every time this fool has a press conference.

    Did you see the Drudge headline where Obama was criticizing Putin over his lack of allies? Putin really doesn’t need allies, nor did we, except we pretended that “allies” made the horrors of war acceptable.

    If you are going to fight a war, win it and do something useful with the victory. The only reason the Soviet Union lost in Afghanistan was that we gave OBL Stingers. Absent the injection of that technology, the USSR and its pathetic draftees would have crushed the tribesmen. You only live once, and this is accepted even by muslims.

    We are reliving Europe in 1938 …

    BobStewartatHome (10a570)

  51. Well Gazzer, I’ve used a gun defensively three times in my civilian life. I never had to shoot and they were very lucky, I rarely miss. Only one out of the three was reported to the police and the only reason that was is because a guy came in to rob a friends restaurant and made the mistake of pointing his cute little .38 snub across the bar beside me. A split second my Colt Python .357 mag was pressed against his skull. He dropped his toy. The cops were called. He got busted. We all testified in court and the guy got 5 years. This was in the mid 80’s.

    So one out of three DGU was reported in my case alone.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  52. Hoagie, I carry all day every day and have only come close to pulling my gun out once. A drunk in my wife’s restaurant was bowing up badly. He was small (part of his problem I think) but was very powerfully built and had about 25 years on me. His companions dragged him out.
    Turns out the following day that he was a cop! Way to protect and serve.

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  53. my monday this shooting will be so last week but food stamp will still be pimping it like it was a young rotherham girl

    hey did you see those jobs numbers

    happyfeet (831175)

  54. It’s funemployment, get with the program.

    nk (9faaca)

  55. i can’t help but worry

    but did you see conagra’s gonna move their hq to merch mart?

    from omaha

    I find this sad.

    cause of the tax shenanigans it’s impossible to see this as a vote of confidence in chicago

    i think it’s just the ceo is a chicago boy who was very very willing to be bribed

    omaha deserves better than how conagra is doing on them

    especially after the way they jacked up the riverfront like how they did

    i bet the employees hate the ceo more than obama hates jews

    happyfeet (831175)

  56. The fellow down under, had gone to the local mosque, before attacking the police station.

    narciso (ee1f88)

  57. That’s deeply vizzini, he has egypt, after 40 years on his side, what’s left of syria, iraq, the kingdom and Israel p

    narciso (ee1f88)

  58. A friend runs security at a major gun maker and has mentioned on a factory wall there is a large photo of obama with the caption -Salesmen of the Year. Six consecutive years!!

    The shooting range where I go has a similar poster up.

    Has anyone seen a photo of the mother ? He sure looks biracial to me.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  59. Mike apparently the mom has not been around for a long time, but it is confirmed that he is bi-racial.

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  60. Given his DNA and the nature of the crime, I wonder if the media will describe the shooter as a white African-American?

    Deuce Frehley (73c323)

  61. That’s why you should not give capitalists breaks.
    That’s why you should tax them till they bleed.
    That’s why when they want to come to your town, you demand that they bribe you.
    That’s why when they threaten to leave, you tell them don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
    Because you know what?
    They don’t give a hoot about you.
    All they want is to maximize their profit.
    Maximize their profit.
    If they can do it where you are, they’ll do it where you are.
    No matter what.
    If they can do it where you’re not, they’ll do it where you’re not.
    No matter what.
    You are not important to them.
    Not unless you are a dollar sign.

    nk (9faaca)

  62. Talk about coincidence:

    One of the three brave Americans who took down a terrorist on a train to Paris earlier this year would likely have been in one of the classrooms at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon during the Thursday massacre had it not been for the welcome home he received.

    “I was enrolled in the Reserve Academy on Saturday and Tuesday and Thursday classes and if I didn’t get called for the ‘Dancing’ show I would have been on campus,” he said on the morning show from Roseburg.

    Weird that.

    Pons Asinorum (e0a90d)

  63. Deuce, I once heard Mavis Leno (Jay’s wife) in an attempt to clarify that the people to whom she was referring were actually from Africa by saying, “These people are African African Americans.”
    Priceless!

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  64. I’d like to see a requirement for a warning on gun-free zones.

    “Warning: You are entering a gun-free zone. Your chances of being killed by a mass shooter are 1200% higher within this zone. Have a nice day.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  65. On the near South-side of Milwaukee a restaurant had 2 notices in the window.
    CASH ONLY, NO CREDIT CARDS.
    and
    GUN FREE ZONE.
    You know the rest…..

    Gus (7cc192)

  66. Gazzer. Barack Hussein is the FIRST BLACK/AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
    The OREGON shooter is……………

    Gus (7cc192)

  67. The DEUCE you say!!! Effin’ John Effin’ Kerry’s RICH WIFE THROUGH INHERITANCE of JOHN HEINZ R-PA, CATSUP FORTUNE is just that. A WHITE AFRICAN AMERICAN. TRUE DAT!!! She’s from Africa, and She’s white, and she’s SORT OF American.

    I’m singing BETH right now.

    CHRIS PETER DRUMMER (7cc192)

  68. Bi-racial? Virtually all Blacks in this country, the exception being immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa, are bi-racial. “Bi-racial” is the term given to Blacks who are an embarrassment to the multi-culti cause. If Mercer had acted nobly, he’d be Black.

    So cut out the “bi-racial” bs. He may be a high-tone, but he’s still Black (as was the psycho in Virginia Mercer was emulating).

    ThOR (b81f2a)

  69. If Obama acted nobly, he’d be a MAN and possibly AMERICAN. Obama is the first BLACK President.
    The DUDE in Oregon is just as BLACK as Obama.
    This is how LIBTARDS have chosen to play the game!!!

    GUS (7cc192)

  70. Obama had nothing to say about this targeting of innocent Christians.
    When a black is killed during the commission of a violent felony, Obama quickly condemns the death.
    When a Muslim’s feelings are hurt, Obama is quick to speak out.
    Christians and Jews? Silence.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  71. A — Guns have only two enemies rust and politicians.
    B — It’s always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6
    C — Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not you.
    D — Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arm’s length.
    E — Never say “I’ve got a gun”.
    If you need to use deadly force, the first sound they hear should be the safety clicking off.
    F — The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes; the
    response time of a .357 magnum is 1400 feet per second.
    G — The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win. A
    gunfight is a deadly struggle.
    There is no such thing as a fair fight, so cheat if necessary.
    SHOOT !
    H — Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. You may
    get killed with your own gun, but he’ll have to beat
    you to death with it, ‘cause it will be empty.
    I — If you’re in a gun fight: you’re not shooting, you should
    be loading. If you’re not loading, you should be moving.
    If you’re not moving, you’re dead.
    J — In a life and death situation, do something. It may be wrong, but do something!
    K — If you carry a gun, people may call you paranoid. Nonsense! If you have a gun, what do you have to be paranoid
    about
    L — You can say ‘stop’ or any other word, but a large bore muzzle pointed at someone is pretty much a universal
    language.
    M — You cannot save the planet, but you may be able to save
    yourself and your family

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  72. That’s an interesting rant at #63, nk. Exactly what does it mean?

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  73. The CDC reports that there are around 40,000 suicides a year, with approximately 20,000 using firearms.

    If there is one thing we can generalize about the vast majority of these incidents, it is that the gunmen expected or intended to die. IMO that makes the gunmen suicidal, as well as lacking in empathy since they are willing to take other people with them. Everyone is struggling with things like this. Would suicide prevention efforts help?

    On a related note, there have been reports of 300 mass shootings per year for several years. I don’t think that’s accurate. There were and are about 20 mass public shootings per year.

    DRJ (521990)

  74. From a statistical standpoint, 300 mass public shootings are horrible but they would still be only 1.4% of total suicides, and 20 mass public shootings would be 0.1% of all suicides. Thus, we’re talking about a relatively rare event.

    Of course, we want to avoid these deaths but it’s hard to identify which suicidal people may decide to take others with them.

    DRJ (521990)

  75. Correction: 1.4% and 0.1% of suicides by gun. It’s even less — half that amount — if we’re talking about total suicides.

    DRJ (521990)

  76. we know zaphod has one note, and the lapdog press, is willing to push it forward, but the ‘narrative’ behind the shooter, and the way his social media has been scrubbed of any tell tale signs, BLM, Islamists, is the real story,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  77. maybe it’s going down the rabbit hole, but something to consider,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  78. One more thought: The local Sheriff has single-handedly started a short-term trend against naming the shooter, in the hope that it might stop future shooters from seeking the fame that incidents like this generate.

    I generally favor transparency and I think there are reasons to report as much as possible so we can learn more about the people who do things like this. But I also remember my college days in the 70’s at a large university, when there were many suicides in my freshman and sophomore years. The suicides were reported in the campus newspaper but it soon became clear that the more reports there were, the more suicides there were. The reports stopped in my last two years and I learned later that it was an intentional decision not to publish, and the suicide rate declined.

    DRJ (521990)

  79. What was in his posts, narciso?

    DRJ (521990)

  80. I luned the conjecture, in my last post,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  81. Unfortunately DRJ, I have found over the years that the CDC has become politicized. By the left of course. Let’s talk the truth about AIDS, HIV, homosexual STD’s and even other “health” issues like second hand smoke, alcohol, drugs and such things as salt, sugar and trans fats. Hell, the CDC even has an opinion on AGW. So as usual the left has infiltrated a once reliable and honest outfit which tried to save lives and turned it into a leftist propaganda tool to promote this or that leftist cause.

    So to me the CDC, like opinion polls, the “non-partian” GAO and other government statistics are either contaminated or contorted information and therefore not reliable.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  82. narciso,

    Is this what you mean? It’s a good reason to be transparent or things like this would get covered up.

    DRJ (521990)

  83. Hoagie,

    I linked the CDC for the suicide numbers/rates. Feel free to ignore it. The larger point stands.

    DRJ (521990)

  84. it was actually the subsequent link, 1984, it’s a guide book, not a cautionary tale,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  85. I think Mercer’s special needs background will ultimately prove to be more relevant, but we’ll see.

    DRJ (521990)

  86. I don’t ignore the CDC or the others. I think it would be ignorant to ignore them. I just look at them suspiciously. Sometimes it seems they throw out an accurate number and sometimes I’m wondering who is pulling their strings.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  87. So as usual the left has infiltrated a once reliable and honest outfit

    Liberalism has corrupted a vast cross section of society, which is why the traditional cocktail-circuit sentiment of “shhh, please don’t talk about liberal or conservative, leftwing or rightwing, or about his or her, or their, political orientation because that’s private, personal, improper, rude or meaningless!”

    The irritation with that is one reason why I think a loud mouth like Donald Trump gets greater traction in today’s era than such a public figure would have in the past—certainly well before the era of Obama’s America.

    Mark (f713e4)

  88. #74, Hoagie, regarding rule ‘D’ Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arm’s length. That’s much too close. As you are uniquely aware, the advantage of a firearm is to strike at distance. Knifes, clubs, ordinary tools, feet and fists are are sneaky dangerous withing 21 feet. Here’s a quote about knives: (And note that a trained attacker could launch a deadly assault from much further away.)

    An attacker armed with a knife can close a distance of at least 21 feet, perhaps more, before a defender armed with a firearm can react, draw, fire and stop them. This is true of the average person armed with a knife, not a trained martial artist.

    Of course, it all depends on the situation, but a nice cushion of about 8 to 10 yards strikes me as about right.

    Additionally, Tuco’s dictum would fit your list at #74: When it’s time to shoot, shoot! Don’t talk, shoot!

    ropelight (f0afa2)

  89. their handling of ebola was awfully sketchy, lucky there were not more vectors,

    http://twitchy.com/2015/10/03/dana-loesch-schools-cory-booker-on-calls-for-gun-laws-that-already-exist/

    narciso (ee1f88)

  90. Just for clarification, it is known as the Tueller Drill.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

    Gazzer (7baf28)

  91. You are correct, ropelight and Gazzer. 7-8 yards for that attack is the minimum distance. But you also understand the knife is out and in service and the pistol holstered. However, in practice we often do not recognize a deadly threat until it is closer.

    My second incidence of DGU was in Philly. I was stopped at a light on Spruce St. headed west at Broad, window down about 9pm on a summer’s evening. A guy came from between the parked cars brandishing a chef’s knife in his right hand and yelled for me to get out of the car. For an instant he leaned his left arm on the roof to provide cover for the knife from outside eyes as he looked up and down Spruce St.. I took that opportunity to draw my S&W 9mm Auto from my break away shoulder holster and point it at his chest. I began to squeeze when he screamed something like: “Don’t shoot man, please don’t shoot man” and ran toward Broad St.. I did not report the incident.

    BTW, I’ve noticed how aghast the heads on TV are when they’re reporting the shooter had 13-15 firearms. How many firearms shouldsomeone have? That’s like asking them what the climate should be regarding AGW. I once was told by a lovely female bartender : “You only need one gun”. So I asked how many pairs of shoes she owned and the discussion ended.

    Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  92. Hoagie, the most important element in a successful knife attack is almost always concealment till the last possible second. Never show the knife, keep it hidden, close the distance without alarming the target, and the chances of using it effectively against a gun increase exponentially.

    BTW, Alabama and Georgia are on TV right now, just started, 12 minutes left in 1st qtr. SEC style smash-mouth football played by some of the best college athletes in the nation – the game is on.

    ropelight (f0afa2)


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