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9/28/2015

Trump: I’ll Have Government Take Care of Everybody’s Health Care and Raise Taxes on the Very Wealthy

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:35 am

“The Policy Proposals of Donald Trump” sounds like one of those “thinnest book in the world” jokes, but Bernie Sanders Trump was on “60 Minutes” last night talking policy. In a long-form interview, it’s actually quite surprising how his usual vapid platitudes give way to serious, specific proposals, when he has the time to sit down and really explain them.

Haha just kidding:

Scott Pelley: What’s your plan for Obamacare?

Donald Trump: Obamacare’s going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what’s going on with premiums where they’re up 40, 50, 55 percent.

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”

Scott Pelley: Universal health care.

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?

Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it’s going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.

Wow, the government is going to take care of everybody! That sounds expensive. Will you be raising taxes, Mr. Trump?

Scott Pelley: Who are you going to raise taxes on?

Donald Trump: If you look at actually raise, some very wealthy are going to be raised. Some people that are getting unfair deductions are going to be raised. But overall it’s going to be a tremendous incentive to grow the economy and we’re going to take in the same or more money. And I think we’re going to have something that’s going to be spectacular.

Scott Pelley: But Republicans don’t raise taxes.

Donald Trump: Well, we’re not raising taxes.

After the program, Trump threatened himself with a lawsuit for claiming he would raise taxes.

74 Responses to “Trump: I’ll Have Government Take Care of Everybody’s Health Care and Raise Taxes on the Very Wealthy”

  1. How dare I say that about myself!

    Patterico (fecd9b)

  2. Obama has been awful; I will be great.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  3. I wonder if his end game is to run as HRC’s replacement after she’s indicted because the GOP and FNC are too disrespectful too him. If an independent socialist can run as a democrat why can’t The Donald?

    crazy (cde091)

  4. if he pinky promises it’s gonna be spectacular then I guess I’m ok with it

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  5. Why do people love him? Because in his ignorance and soft-headed nonspecific fuzzy thinking about using the government to make things better, he is very much like the public.

    Patterico (fecd9b)

  6. if he had a half-decent genuinely republican congress to work with

    a congress what had been fumigated to where Meghan’s coward daddy and the rest of his obnoxious and corrupt republican main street partnership were neutralized

    he might do ok i think maybe

    but with the losers we have now I think he’d be as disastrous as jeb or marco sleazio

    this whole situation is starting to look grim

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  7. Why do people love him? Because in his ignorance and soft-headed nonspecific fuzzy thinking about using the government to make things better, he is very much like the public. Patterico

    That was the winning formula nine years ago. Right?

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  8. I’m glad that the Mexican border fence will be aesthetically pleasing under a Trump administration. Also that we will round up and deport illegal immigrants in a nice and humane way. Maybe we could build some transit camps which all contain a food court with Sbarro, Orange Julius and Caribou Coffee.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  9. I thought orange julius was just a Warren Buffett money laundering scheme

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  10. Complain all you want about stupid Americans but we see what happened under Obama. He is an emperor and, except for Ted Cruz, Republicans aren’t trying to stop him.

    The GOP’s only answer is to trust them so one of their own can be elected. Why shouldn’t prople trust the guy willing to stand up to them all?

    DRJ (521990)

  11. Every time he opens his mouth I cringe. But I do believe he brought a lot to the campaign. He’s got the bums worried, I like that.

    Carlitos, this is the United States of course we’ll deport illegal aliens in a humane way. Why wouldn’t we?

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  12. Why shouldn’t people trust the guy willing to stand up to them all?

    my biggest problem with him is he’s tacky and stupid

    but i trust him way more than any other R running

    which isn’t to say he wouldn’t be a disaster

    the maze was only the beginning i guess

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  13. Conservatives finally figuring out Trump isn’t one, huh?

    JEA (fb1111)

  14. Me thinks the Patterico protests too much. Yes, Trump is a fusion candidate. He isn’t a conservative per se. He is however an American who understands what made this country great and what made it different. He understands we are a shining city on a hill. That is why he is leading. Not because he espouses a particular ideology or gives stunningly detailed policy answers.

    Mark Johnson (f1c240)

  15. Why do people love him?

    Read Kaus. Just stare at kausfiles.com until the explanation becomes apparent.

    scrutineer (b7d257)

  16. Yes, Trump is a fusion candidate.

    I like that, Mark. That’s the first time I’ve seen “fusion” used in politics. Trump is to the campaign what a Japanese/Italian restaurant is to food.

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  17. I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

    Sounds like he’s running for Father of the Year, not President. He’s gonna “take care” of us dumbass little children.

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  18. Will a Cheeseburger in Paradise be in the food court, Carlitos?

    mg (31009b)

  19. If Trump’s candidacy manages to expose the two party system as the complete sham that it is, I guess there’s some value in it. He’s still terrifying, of course, and his popularity is still really really depressing, but we gotta stay positive, right?

    Leviticus (f9a067)

  20. People are angry at what is happening to America. Those who still have the same means and lifestyles that they had 8 years ago may not feel that anger, but they should. America shouldn’t be the nation where people are falling further behind or barely hanging on to what they have. It should be a nation of hope where people’s lives can get better if they are willing to work.

    DRJ (521990)

  21. Happy is wrong, again. McCain’s plan from 2012 was the only workable health reform ever proposed. It was an actual reform that understood what insurance is and how it works. It’s main problem was that it was a big reform that affected everyone, and it was much easier to sell a little reform that only affected other people.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  22. That’s the first time I’ve seen “fusion” used in politics

    Fusion was used in politics long before it was used for food.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  23. Dictionary.com:

    fusion[ fyoo-zhuhn] noun
    1. the act or process of fusing; the state of being fused.
    2. that which is fused; the result of fusing: A ballet production is the fusion of many talents.
    3. a coalition of parties or factions.
    4. the political party resulting from such a coalition.
    5. a thermonuclear reaction in which nuclei of light atoms join to form nuclei of heavier atoms, as the combination of deuterium atoms to form helium atoms.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  24. “Scott Pelley: But Republicans don’t raise taxes.”

    Yes, they do, except in Liberal Mythology World.

    Tax the rich, raise taxes, the government pays to take care of everybody…these are some fancy terms for theft, aren’t they.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  25. no Mr. M if we elect a “hybrid” like Trump we have to get rid of brainwashed “hybrid” losers like Meghan’s coward daddy

    you can’t have both or you might as well just elect Hillary

    McCain already wants to bust the caps and slop slop slop his pentagon piggy pals

    just like carlycakes

    these people make me feel nauseous

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  26. As I said Kevin M, that’s the first time I’ve ever seen the word fusion used in politics. I understand what the definition of fusion is and I do realize it can be used for almost anything joined together. I just haven’t seen it used in politics. Perhaps I need to associate with more elitists who use such words. We always use mundane words like “coalition” like the Dictionary.com does. Ya live, ya learn.

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  27. “People are angry at what is happening to America.”

    – DRJ

    Trump personifies “what is happening to America,” in my opinion. We’ve learned to conflate honesty and stupidity, and as a result to praise stupidity as a virtue. We’re going to get to see that play itself out in this election cycle.

    Leviticus (f9a067)

  28. So, Trump is for Single Payer health care? How is he not the anti-Reagan?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  29. Whatever is “happening to America,” it is happening “good and hard.”

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  30. We have had a complete moron in the White House for the last 7 years and if Trump is elected he will add 4 more. God help us.

    Ipso Fatso (10964d)

  31. Reestablishing a functional market for the medical and pharmaceutical industries will lower the total cost. Even with universal coverage, this may ensure the same or lower taxes. While the benefits of inflationary economics (e.g. monopolies and practices) has been good for asset valuation, it has had disastrous effects on capital and labor, despite the improving productivity of our population.

    n.n (b1a3fe)

  32. Caribou Coffee? That tastes worse than Starbucks! (Or at least it did the only time I have had it). Cruel and unusual punishment!

    If the Great Wall of Mexico is built, within one year there will be a capsized smuggler boat off either the coast of California or Texas, and thanks to public outcry, wide gates in the Wall will appear soon after. There will also be a public outcry when people realize that the Wall did not keep out any jihadis who just happened to overstay the tourist visa stamped at your local airport.

    kishnevi (28fa9f)

  33. if Trump is elected he will add 4 more

    But it will be Awesome™

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  34. The Wall is not meant to keep out jihadis it’s meant to keep out people crossing the Mexican border whoever they are. If a few are jihadis all the better. As you said the jihadis are coming in at the air ports and I would add the Canadian border. That’s a separate problem. First we need to make the bleeding hearts understand what a Hijrah is and what it means to us. Then we can proceed with securing America from jihads.

    I was reading a article the other day where a guy stated that the jihadis comprise a minor 10-20% of moslems. That’s 150-300 million. The guy asked: if there was a bowel of M&M’s in front of you and 10-20% were poison would you grab a handful and pop them in your mouth? Then why are grabbing handfuls of moslems and popping them into the country? Did our Constitution once again become a suicide pact?

    http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Screen-Shot-2014-02-20-at-5.38.18-PM.png#Islam%20dearborn%20michigan%20848×630

    http://www.sullivan-county.com/images1/islam1.jpg#Islam%20dearborn%20michigan%20379×251

    http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/page42_blog_entry101_summary_1.jpg#Islam%20dearborn%20michigan%20297×205

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  35. i was on the train last week with one of them covered-up womens and she had a huge backpack (bigger than mine even)

    and I thought ok no worries cause this train is super uncrowded no way she’s gonna blow

    but if it had been a crowded train I think I would’ve gotten off and caught the next one

    that’s just a lil window into my soul I guess

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  36. If you ever run for office, Happy, that comment will undo you.

    felipe (56556d)

  37. i have to sing my truth though

    plus i don’t wanna die in chicago

    that would just be lame

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  38. McCain’s plan from 2012 was the only workable health reform ever proposed.

    Yes, it was the best plan anyone has suggested but he could not explain it because I doubt he understood it.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  39. Kevin M: Ronald Reagan just called to say he’s still dead and he wishes people would leave him the hell out of current political arguments.

    Mark Johnson (e64fbe)

  40. If Trump’s poll numbers don’t immediately improve — if Carson or someone else continues to run neck-and-neck, such that Trump can’t boast about the size of his lead anymore — how will he react?

    I offer an example from his business history, one about which he’s spoken during this campaign: The last (of four total) wave of interlinked corporate bankruptcies through which he dragged his casino-related business empire was triggered by losses at its then-flagship property in Atlantic City. When questioned about his bankruptcy history in general, and that bankruptcy in particular, by Chris Wallace at the first GOP debate, Trump claimed that he had been brilliantly foresighted in “getting out” of Atlantic City when he did. He repeated that claim, again focusing on his good business judgment in choosing when to get out of an enterprise.

    Up until the day that Trump’s lawyers filed their voluntary Chapter 11 petition — the means for “getting out” of Atlantic City, i.e., the means for leaving behind in Trump’s wake billions of dollars of unpaid claims by lenders and, especially, trade creditors there — Trump insisted publicly that he was thoroughly committed to the Atlantic City casino business. The next day, with the filing of a court position, he was 100% committed to abandoning that business.

    Trump changes positions more casually than I change my socks, and I usually manage to wear the same pair of socks for a whole day.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  41. Cultures on the decline build walls. Cultures on the ascendancy build armies and navies.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. It’s both sobering and disconcerting to watch world events leave the lecturing, blowhard, pud-in-hand POTUS behind. America can’t afford another.

    Colonel Haiku (b7bcc1)

  43. Trump is not an ideologue, he isn’t owned by anyone, and he cares about America. No one else fills the bill.

    Nexialist (3576f3)

  44. 40.Cultures on the decline build walls. Cultures on the ascendancy build armies and navies.

    nk, sometimes I don’t know if you’re serious or planning new bumper stickers. Cultures on the decline also allow immigrants who won’t assimilate to dilute the culture to nothing. And this was before terrorist bombing became a political way of life.

    I was amused that Obama, the pres. of China (which has a wall, are they in decline?) and the Pope all of whom live behind walls and guards were telling us to open our borders. Got hypocrite?

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  45. Can we dispense with the idea that he is a Republican, or a conservative ?

    JD (3b5483)

  46. Yes, JD. He was never a conservative and only a Republican of convenience.

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  47. Don’t bullsh*t yourself, Trump cares about Trump.

    Colonel Haiku (b7bcc1)

  48. You got it Colonel. Have you ever heard him utter a sentence that didn’t have “I” or “me” in it? He sounds like Obama. It’s all abut him.

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  49. trump’s only virtue is the message he sends to the sclerotic stagnant corrupt republican party

    he also has a lot of downsides

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  50. — “Who’s on the leader of the club made for you and me?”
    — “Mickey Mouse!”
    — “Donald Duckface!”
    — “Same thing.”

    I find it impossible to imagine the depth of loserness of people who would choose Badgerhead as their leader. Nexialist, would you step in front of a bullet for Trump?

    nk (dbc370)

  51. He wouldn’t have to, nk. The bullet would stop itself cause Trump is so awesome.

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  52. The Great Wall of China, Hadrian’s Wall, the walls of Rome, the walls of Constantinople, the Maginot Line …. The desperate last ditch resort of soft, decadent people who don’t have what it takes to confront the invading barbarians mano a mano. The real walls are the ranks of the defenders. Hell, we don’t even have what it takes to “build that danged fence”.

    Under Eisenhower, we had Operation Wetback. (Google for more links.) A small army of border and immigration agents and police, under the command of a general, rounded up the illegals in the Southwest states and shipped them back to Mexico. Some in ships to Veracruz, that’s far south in Mexico, so they’d have a long walk back. But this was a generation which had won a world war on two oceans and four continents. Not a bunch of Starbucks0-sipping, rainbow-flag waiving, iPhone stroking faggots.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. Trump personifies “what is happening to America,” in my opinion. We’ve learned to conflate honesty and stupidity, and as a result to praise stupidity as a virtue.

    Trump is another snake-oil salesman trying to convince us that there are easy answers to our most pressing problems. Sluggish economy? Just let me get under the hood and fix it! High taxes? I’ll cut ’em! Poorly-delivered government services? I’ll make them more efficient! Health care is expensive and tangled up in red tape? I’ll give you more health care for less cost! We have a huge gap between the government sevices we expect to receive and what we expect to pay for them? I’ll grow the economy and make those awful rich people pay more! It’s no wonder the low-information voter laps this up.

    According to the Word Bank, in 2013 the U.S. tax revenue was about 10.6 percent of GDP while government expenditures represented 15.2 percent of GDP. The truly awful candidates will tell us that they will increase spending while cutting taxes and the bad candidates will tell us that they will cut spending or raise taxes, but that it won’t have any effect on the economy. A decent candidate will inform us that there are trade-offs, and if we are serious about doing something about our mountain of debt we have to pay more for fewer services, simple as that. But just try that strategy and see how long you last in today’s Washington.

    JVW (ba78f9)

  54. Actually trump will be lowering taxes on the very rich, such as himself.

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/09/lie-year-donald-trumps-tax-plan-will-cost-him-fortune

    Northener (200450)

  55. Not a bunch of Starbucks0-sipping, rainbow-flag waiving, iPhone stroking faggots.

    Now you’ve got a good bumper sticker!

    Hoagie (f4eb27)

  56. The only one worse than Trump last night was Scott Pelley and his eye rolling and snottiness and obvious contempt for his subject. It was like watching a Mean Girl!

    And they wonder why outsiders are popular.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  57. lets remember who the interviewer is:

    http://newsbusters.org/journalists/scott-pelley

    narciso (ee1f88)

  58. “Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”

    Except for the top 60-75%, who will get worse care, and less of it…
    But other than that, “everybody” will benefit.

    ertdfg (a5ba4b)

  59. The is from Roger Simon.

    If anyone had tax problems, they did, just as did a lot of my old Hollywood cohorts, mega-liberals (almost) all, whose attorneys and business managers urged them the minute they started to strike it the slightest bit rich, or even before, to form a loan-out company for their services to (drastically) reduce their tax bill. If you, by some obscure chance, don’t know what a loan-out company is, look it up. Your dentist probably has one.

    So I looked it up. Actors, performance artists, what have you, form corporations with themselves as the sole asset/”stockholder”, in order to avoid tax liability.

    Question. If America’s corporate tax structure is so anti-American that it drives business out of country, why are actors pretending to be corporate as a tax dodge?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  60. you bunch of lying scumbags, you. Donald Trump’s tax plan is by and large, the same as Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio. The only difference between Trump, Bush and Rubio, versus Ben Carson’s tax plan is Carson wants to tax the poor, even if it’s just a little bit, because he thinks it would be good for their ego to have skin in the game, instead of being treated like invalids living in the basement on the kindness of strangers.

    Has Carly Fiorino even presented a tax plan?

    Let’s call this article what it is, fumbling around in the dark for an excuse to bash Trump.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  61. Well it has other features like getting rid of amt, the horde points out.

    narciso (ee1f88)

  62. 62. Yup. C corporations (that’s corporation-corporations), as opposed to individuals, partners, or S corporations, not only pay a lower tax rate at the upper brackets but also, but also, but also (three of them) get to “business expense” a lot of things like their private plane, hotel suite, and lobster dinner room service, on “business trips”. Not to mention their den, ahem excuse me, “home office” or dinner out with ahem “business associates”.

    nk (dbc370)

  63. Think Clinton Foundation. I wonder if Bill’s mistress’s limo comes under “Other expenses” and the cookies she gives to the Secret Service agents as “public relations”.

    nk (dbc370)

  64. So what I wanna know is: If Trump does end up getting the nomination, is Patterico going to vote for him, switch over to the Democrat candidate, or vote third party? Ditto for: What if Trump chooses Cruz for his running mate and Cruz accepts? LOL

    School Marm (f96753)

  65. So now Trump is for raising taxes ‘on the rich’ and implementing single payer health care.

    What else does Trump have to do before his supporters admit he is a Democrat? Endorse Hillary Clinton? Say he’s in favor of national handgun registration or confiscation?

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  66. @nk:Not to mention their den, ahem excuse me, “home office” or dinner out with ahem “business associates.

    There are people in prison who thought this was true.

    Gabriel Hanna (2ca835)

  67. And plenty who aren’t who know that it is.

    Leviticus (48a857)

  68. @Leviticus:plenty who aren’t who know that it is.

    Al Sharpton, sure, people like that. Middle-class people who try it get no mercy. I have friends and relatives found out the hard way.

    The IRS can punish you for things that were perfectly legal when you did them, and charge you back taxes, penalties and interest that are whatever they say they are, and will continually increase no matter how much you pay. It is not worth trying to find this out.

    Gabriel Hanna (2ca835)

  69. I am definitely a conservative but I think trump is correct. The government has messed up healthcare so much that the only solution I see is a very basic single payer. I’m serious. Obamacare is an abomination and must be scrapped, mainly because it is a SOP to insurance companies (which is also true with healthcare BEFORE Obama, just not as bad).

    dude (8e0899)


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