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9/15/2015

Your Next President

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:55 pm



Matt Walsh transcribed the first three minutes of Donald Trump’s speech in Dallas:

Wow. Amazing. Amazing, thank you. So exciting. Do you notice what’s missing tonight? Teleprompters! [APPLAUSE] No teleprompters. We don’t want teleprompters. That would be so much easier: we read a speech for 45 minutes, everybody falls asleep listening to the same old stuff, the same old lies. So much easier. So, you know, I have a little debate coming up on Wednesday. [APPLAUSE] I hear my… let’s call them opponents. Can I call them opponents? We’re allowed to do that, right? You know, New York was very nice to you people last night, you know that, right? [LAUGHTER] Did they hand you that game? [APPLAUSE] They handed it! I said, I am going to have the friendliest audience — sit down — I am going to have the friendliest audience. So I wasn’t sure, was I happy or was I sad? But Jerry Jones is a great guy, and he deserves everything he gets, frankly. [APPLAUSE] And you know, another great guy is Mark Cuban. [APPLAUSE] And I think, you know, he’s been talking about maybe doing this himself. And I think he’d do a great job. We don’t have the exact same feelings about where we’re going, but that’s OK. But Mark was great. You know, he called me, like, literally a few days ago, and he said, “you know if you want to use the arena” — which by the way is a beautiful arena [APPLAUSE] this a great arena — and Dirk is a fantastic player [APPLAUSE] he’s just a wonderful player — and the Mavericks have been fantastic and it’s just a great team — but he said, “you know if you want to use the arena.” And I said, “Mark, when?” He said “how ’bout Monday night?” It’s like, that was like in four days. And you had a big holiday in between. And he said, “they really like you in Dallas, they really like you in Texas, maybe you can get a lot of people.” [APPLAUSE] Because we were coming here, and we thought maybe we’d get a thousand people, but we never get a thousand anymore, it’s always, like, the same thing. You know, we went to Alabama. We started off with a 500 person ballroom. And after about 2 minutes — look at all these guys — paparazzi, look at this [LAUGHTER] we’ve got everybody here. We started off, by the way, with a 500 person ballroom, and after about 2 minutes the hotel called up begging for mercy. “We can’t do it!” They were inundated, so we went to convention center, and that was 10,000 and that was wiped out in about an hour. So we went to a stadium, we had 31 thousand people, which is by far the largest, they say, like, ever, for an early primary, and that’s probably true.[APPLAUSE]

Somehow I missed Senor Blowhard’s speech on the USS Iowa tonight, even though it was about 5 minutes from my route home. I’m sure I’ll regret having missed the opportunity to watch a GrandMaster play what Dilbert creator Scott Adams calls three-dimensional chess.

UPDATE:

127 Responses to “Your Next President”

  1. What’s next? Bill Watterson blogs his praise for Trump’s genius reference to Megyn Kelly’s period?

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  2. People, especially conservatives, are sick of lying politicians. Trump may be a fraudulent conservative but he’s authentic.

    Remember during RatherGate when liberals defended the Bush Texas ANG documents as “fake but accurate”? Maybe Trump is an authentic fake, and we’ve had so many years of lying politicians that that it makes an authentic fake seem like an improvement.

    DRJ (521990)

  3. However, Carson is also rising in the polls and he comes across as genuinely authentic. I think we may see his polls improve. And I hope we see others increase, too, but I think they need to sound more human and unscripted. We’ll see tomorrow if that happens.

    DRJ (521990)

  4. No teleprompter? He hasn’t even figured out what he’s going to say until he says it.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  5. Trump is brave. Brazen, outrageous, outside the sidelines, guided by an internal navigation system, unfettered, and sadly, generally wrong. But compared to the alternatives presently in office, he has seized the high ground, and by kilometers, not meters.

    Boehner and McConnell are like worms in the south pasture. Happy with the high nitrogen content of the droppings to the donkeys, but completely unaware that the are destined to be packaged in cardboard pint containers and sold as “night crawlers” to weekend anglers.

    bobathome (279337)

  6. Do you want Trump or Clinton / Sanders / O’Malley?

    SIMPLE QUESTION (9109d4)

  7. It’s all about illegal immigration. Nothing more, nothing less

    Roux (1699a0)

  8. droppings of to the donkeys …
    that the[y] are destined …

    The hurried I go the behinder I get!

    bobathome (279337)

  9. Personally I think Hillary, not Ms. Fiorina, who has that face.

    kishnevi (28fa9f)

  10. Do you want Trump or Clinton / Sanders / O’Malley?

    No.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  11. For as long as I can remember, the GOPe has been whining about the need for new blood. Donald Trump brings in new blood by the million and what do we hear? Whining, hysterical whining.

    Every week, we hear claims that Trumpmania has peaked, but no. Trumpmania and Trump Derangement continue to grow in lockstep, which seems to be anything but a coincidence. It is the most entertaining political spectacle I can remember in my almost 50 years of following politics.

    I was never much of a Beck fan, so I’m particularly pleased by his acute case of TDS. This is but one of many silver linings.

    ThOR (b81f2a)

  12. Beck has a lot of courage. He says what he really thinks even if he thinks it will cost him listeners. A lot of these guys are playing the game of saying: “I don’t want to say I support Trump because I know he’s a buffoon and may flame out, and I don’t want to be on record actually supporting him . . . but man, I’d better not criticize this guy right now or I’ll lose my whole audience!”

    Hooray for people who actually speak their mind.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  13. UPDATE:

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  14. It is interesting to me how the right is reacting to Trump as if his popularity was not their fault. It also is interesting how the left is reacting with a flailing Hillary as their only choice.

    Conservative Americans are fed up with with so-called Republicans who do nothing when elected to stop the march of the left.

    Leftist Americans are fed up with so-called Democrats who do nothing to advance Socialism.

    That’s why you get a latter-day Huey Long as a front runner.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  15. we’ve had so many years of lying politicians that that it makes an authentic fake seem like an improvement.

    It isn’t just us. I’m in Belgium traveling with British friends. The Jeremy Corbyn thing and Bernie Sanders thing are real, as well. The Australians just had a coup in their Liberal Party.

    Interesting time. Interesting times.

    Mike K (d45bd4)

  16. It is interesting to me how the right is reacting to Trump as if his popularity was not their fault. It also is interesting how the left is reacting with a flailing Hillary as their only choice.

    Conservative Americans are fed up with with so-called Republicans who do nothing when elected to stop the march of the left.

    Leftist Americans are fed up with so-called Democrats who do nothing to advance Socialism.

    That’s why you get a latter-day Huey Long as a front runner.

    Maybe. Or maybe people are just low-attention and/or obsessed with celebrity, especially in September the year before the election. If the public that is consulted in opinion polls (little different from the people Jimmy Kimmel stops on Hollywood Boulevard) really knew what they were talking about, and resented the Republican establishment, they would be flocking to Ted Cruz in droves.

    I get it that people want it to be a rejection of the establishment, but I don’t read it that way. It says something not very nice about the American people that Donald Trump is at the top of the polls.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  17. I just watched a Bill Whittle video in which Whittle said Trump doesn’t care what people think about him. I think Bill Whittle and I are looking at a different Donald Trump. He seems like the most thin-skinned person in the race by far.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  18. “No telepromters!” *pulls out notes* …

    So Troy is upset that Trump makes it clear that he needs to refer to his notes when quoting numbers. Troy’s hero (?? I’m guessing here …) scans from the left screen then to the right screen while pretending to gaze into the horizon … and get some numbers that have been massaged by some of the best liars in D. C. I can discern a difference, but Troy can’t. Troy assumes that he’s being lied to, and he gives maximum credit to the liar who does it best. I think Trump actually believes what he’s saying, even if he hasn’t memorized the numbers. Troy’s guy is lying, just as Troy’s government school teachers have lied to him for the last 12 (or 16 or 20) years, but Troy can tell that the guy with the teleprompter does it better.

    Go for it Troy. You’ve found your man. But He’s term limited.

    bobathome (279337)

  19. Trump is actually the right man at the right moment.

    By that, I mean we have become such a stupid country that electing Donald Trump is more or less the most sensible follow-up to twice electing Barack Obama. I hope our grandchildren speak well of what a great country this used to be.

    JVW (06f60f)

  20. I wouldn’t be so dismissive of Mr. Trump, Pat.

    He’s got a lot more on the ball than superficial examination would reveal.

    Much of what he’s saying NOW is a setup for late when He backs off or changes

    His target. He’s also saying outrageous things that resonate with a variety of

    folks. Things they weren’t even thinking about but find themselves (maybe

    secretly) agreeing with. He’s using salesman tricks to sell himself and zing

    his opponents. Go read Scott Adams blog ( blog.dilbert.com ) starting at about

    the middle of August and read his series of posts about what Trump is doing

    and why and how. The posts aren’t directly in line so you have to scan for the

    ones about Trump but even the others are a good read.

    Trump is deeper and more committed than many people seem to think. (imo)

    jakee308 (c37f85)

  21. Yeah, I read (and linked in the post) the Dilbert creator’s deep analysis of the amazing tactic of mocking Carly Fiorina’s face. The layers and layers of salesmanship and brilliance are astounding.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  22. I forget who wrote it, but Trump’s entire message is, “I’m not them.”

    And I’m afraid this time around that could be just enough. I think Ted Cruz is the only one who understands that.

    The rest of these guys were just too cute for their own good.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/02/rnc-asks-candidates-to-sign-loyalty-pledge-boxing-in-trump/

    …The Republican National Committee, in a move designed to box in Donald Trump and prevent him from a third-party run, on Wednesday asked the party’s presidential candidates to sign a loyalty statement vowing not to run as an independent or third-party candidate in the general election…

    Maybe if Reince Priebus hadn’t been quite so open about the fact that those loyalty oaths were just a one way street “I’m not them” wouldn’t be enough.

    Maybe if Pataki wasn’t now running around telling everyone that, loyalty oath or no loyalty oath, he’s not going to support Trump “I’m not them” wouldn’t be enough.

    Rand Paul says he’ll support Trump. Of course, he says that just after he calls Trump a “Disaster,” “bad for the country, and a “fake conservative.” And he won’t be enthusiastic. No s***, Rand.

    I happen to agree on all counts, but I didn’t sign the RNC loyalty oath promising to support the party’s nominee. And even though I agree, I can also tell that if that’s the GOP idea of “support” I can’t really distinguish it from Pataki’s pledge to break his pledge.

    With friends lie that, who needs Democrats?

    So, again, this time around “I’m not them” just may be enough.

    And I think everyone knows there’s no way Jeb Bush is going to keep his promise to support the nominee, and he may just also blow a gasket and break his other promise and run third party. Apparently we him this nomination or something.

    Just like the idiot GOP voters owed the RNC and the RNSC Thad Cochran, and if the stupid TEA partiers wouldn’t vote for who they were supposed to then they’d just hire Democrats to do it.

    I don’t like Trump any more than the rest of you, but there is a reason why Trump is doing well.

    DrewM had a post up at Ace this morning. He said that if the GOP really wanted to take Trump out of the race all they have to do is make McConnell and Boehner step down. To that I’d add they would also have to tell Jeb to get out of the race. It’s clear the donors want him, but the voters don’t. But the RNC doesn’t care what the voters want, they care what the donors want. And the donors want McConnell, Boehner, cheap labor, and Bush. Which is why they won’t do what it takes to get rid of Trump.

    Instead they’ll try to shove another big, juicy, steaming “electable” s*** sandwich faces and tell us to like it since we have no place to go.

    Steve57 (a07e69)

  23. DrewM had a post up at Ace this morning. He said that if the GOP really wanted to take Trump out of the race all they have to do is make McConnell and Boehner step down. To that I’d add they would also have to tell Jeb to get out of the race.

    Yes, that would make him go away and would not reinforce his popularity at all.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  24. Steve57, I guess it all depends on what we think is meant by “supporting” the nominee. Ordinarily, the losers in the Presidential primary are expected to travel the country stumping for the nominee and the party’s ticket. I could see the rest of the GOP field working the red states trying to raise money for the GOP’s congressional and state-level candidates, but not supporting Trump beyond announcing that they plan to vote for him. That would fulfill the obligations of the GOP’s pledge, wouldn’t it? Besides, Trump is so yugely wealthy that he doesn’t need the Jeb! Bushes and Rand Pauls and Scott Walkers of the world raising money for him, does he?

    JVW (06f60f)

  25. Yes, that would make him go away and would not reinforce his popularity at all.

    Oh God, Trump would go on a month-long preening session saying that it was his candidacy that made Boehner and McConnell resign. I think DrewM over at Ace is having a bourbon breakfast or something.

    JVW (06f60f)

  26. re: #6 and #10

    Thanks for your reply Patterico.

    But unfortunately, No is not a choice. The system we live in gives us (usually) two choices. So I’m tying to be a realist and I’m asking many people, if they want Trump or Clinton / Sanders / O’Malley?

    And again, No is not an option. If Trump gets the nomination, are you gonna vote for hm or stay home and give it to the (D)?

    It’s a serious question, and I think that what’s happened to Romney.

    So as they say in the Rush song “If you choose not decide you still have made a choice…”

    So I’m proposing that instead of bashing the (R) candidates, consider that we’ve had 7 years of this person in the White House, and I don’t want another (D) so I have to take the lesser of all evils, so to speak.

    So even if my ideal (R) candidate is Cruz, I have to live in the real world and think “hmmm, if Trump gets it, what am I gonna do?” And I choose to support the lesser of all evils and realize that I’ll probably only have two choices come next year.

    Prove me right or prove me wrong.

    SIMPLE QUESTION (9109d4)

  27. Calling Palin a “clown” was a Trump-worthy comment. With Beck, it is pot and kettle. As with Trump, I respectfully decline to applaud the honesty of Beck’s remarkably similar pettiness.

    ThOR (b81f2a)

  28. What’s next? Bill Watterson blogs his praise for Trump’s genius reference to Megyn Kelly’s period?

    Patterico (3cc0c1) — 9/15/2015 @ 7:58 pm

    That sounds more like a Ted Rall move.

    Bill H (2a858c)

  29. 23. Yes, that would make him go away and would not reinforce his popularity at all.

    Patterico (3cc0c1) — 9/15/2015 @ 10:29 pm

    No, Pat, that’s not quite what I meant. If the GOP was the kind of party that could grasp why Trump is popular, and then head him off at the pass, they never would have given him the opening in the first place.

    They’re just not that kind of Party. Hence, Trump. It’s too late for them to do anything about him now. It’s probably been too late ever since the base gave the GOP control of the House and Senate in November 2012, and then they thanked us by giving Obama the budget he wanted before their new majority could interfere with their collaboration with the enemy. And now the also-rans can’t even wait to have a nominee before they start publicly breaking their written promises to support the party’s nominee. Reminding us once again, as if we need another reminder, of just what kind of party the GOP is.

    I linked to this on another comment thread, but Rush was talking earlier this month about how the RNC is going to try to make sure we have that electable s*** sandwich at the end of the nomination process.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/09/01/donors_turn_their_lonely_eyes_to_mitt

    Frankly, if Trump were the nominee I wouldn’t put it past the GOP establishment to cut a deal with the Democrats and bring Biden in and help him win. In exchange for a few promises he’ll no doubt break later, like those written GOP loyalty oaths that everyone knew were only ever intended to be binding on Trump.

    It would sort of be the Cochran plan, big middle finger to the GOP electorate on steroids.

    Steve57 (a07e69)

  30. It’s all about illegal immigration. Nothing more, nothing less

    Single issue voters are a pox. People should be required to name two issues in order to vote.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  31. Hooray for people who actually speak their mind.

    Can Cruz?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  32. I don’t know about Watterson, but I can see Berkeley Breathed’s Steve Dallas going all out for Trump.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  33. BTW, I suspect that Pat will do what I do if Trump gets the nomination. Vote for him with a bag over his head, then lie about it.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  34. People pay attention to Beck? lmao.

    mg (31009b)

  35. Dumb, stupid voters elected obama. And if you republicans vote for anyone but a establishment azz-hat your dumb and stupid.
    lmao so hard I will never be able to see straight.

    mg (31009b)

  36. I can’t imagine watching a debate with so many dopes.
    America is full of dumb, stupid people.
    Go Candy Go.

    mg (31009b)

  37. After seeing mittens get rolled by Candy, debates are a zero sum game for me.
    Team republican fights like a cheerleading squad.

    mg (31009b)

  38. trump is a third party

    R’s failed, and given the magnitude of their fail

    we’re lucky we have trump here to help beat hillary sanders

    right now there’s no other viable alternative to the unadulterated anti-semitic job-raping socialism of an obama third term

    gift horses and etc

    happyfeet (831175)

  39. I find it the height of irony that the very people who say they are sick and tired of the Establishment GOP saying if you don’t vote for our guy you’re giving the election to the Dems are using the very same tactic with their guy.

    waw (49f9a4)

  40. I suspect Patterico will do what I will do if Trump gets the nomination: Adamantly refuse to vote for him, period. And tell the truth about it.

    John Hitchcock (eda8fa)

  41. My daughter, an Iraq vet, pays attention to Beck. She listens to him every day.

    Glenn Beck is not presidential material, but he would make a better president than Mallard T Drake– I mean Donald Trump.

    John Hitchcock (eda8fa)

  42. What I find frustrating is watching previously intelligent people declaring “If you don’t vote for this arrogantly narcissistic person who is further Left than anyone else in the field, you’re not a real Conservative.”

    John Hitchcock (eda8fa)

  43. I find it hard to believe “previously intelligent people” are calling the guy they support “arrogantly narcissistic” and “further left than anyone else in the field” then saying you’re not a real conservative. Why would these bright people name-call their own candidate?

    Perhaps what they’re saying is “If a guy you don’t like wins the Republican candidacy and you don’t vote for him anyway then you’re really voting for Hillary!.”

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  44. Consider it a vote not to elect Trump, but to stop Hillary!.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  45. A teleprompter is an electronic device that contains the full text of a speech. It is placed in such a position that the person reading the speech appears, to the uninitiated, to be delivering the speech extemporaneously.

    Notes written on paper are not the same as a teleprompter.

    For instance, Abe Lincoln jotted the Gettysburg Address down on paper as he rode the train that day. He did not however use a teleprompter nor has anyone ever accused him of same.

    Mark Johnson (cf4f16)

  46. BTW, I suspect that Pat will do what I do if Trump gets the nomination. Vote for him with a bag over his head, then lie about it.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

    Bzzzzzt.

    Patterico (5e9fda)

  47. I suspect Patterico will do what I will do if Trump gets the nomination: Adamantly refuse to vote for him, period. And tell the truth about it.

    John Hitchcock (eda8fa)

    Ding ding ding ding ding!

    Patterico (5e9fda)

  48. SIMPLE QUESTION: Are you Christoph?

    Patterico (5e9fda)

  49. Consider it a vote not to elect Trump, but to stop Hillary!.

    Is that how you will rationalize your vote for Jeb, Hoagie?

    Patterico (5e9fda)

  50. It is so comforting to know that you guys will remain politically pure as the Republic sinks further, perhaps irretrievably into a socialist Shiite hole. Enjoy Net Neutrality.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  51. Is that how you will rationalize your vote for Jeb, Hoagie?

    Yep! A patriot’s gotta do what a patriot’s gotta do. Anything to stop another leftist. As much as I really can’t stand the liberal Bush’s, anyone but Hillary! Sanders.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  52. Beck is imploding. First he wants to smuggle Syrian Christians into America and now he thinks half the GOP is racist.

    DRJ (521990)

  53. Well, DRJ, that’s what happens when only he is correct and if his candidate isn’t the winner then he’s taking his ball home and won’t play any more. Compromise is for the “previously intelligent” Republicans, not Beck. Let the damn commies win and poo on you! The democrat party has gone total socialist/communist and the answer for some GOP’ers is to not vote? Good move.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  54. If Trump’s record isn’t conservative enough for the GOP, how are we to judge the conservatism of Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Mitt Romeny? Do they pass the litmus test for true believers while Trump is found wanting?

    For now, Trump is leading the pack and seems to have a pretty good chance win. Shouldn’t prudent men keep their options open and allow the nomination process to winnow the candidates rather than go off half-cocked at this early date and foolishly start drawing unnecessary artificial lines in the sand?

    It’s usually wise to keep an open mind till all the options are clearly defined.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  55. Sorry ropelight. It seems those prudent men don’t give a rats ass about your winnowing process unless the last man standing is the one they want. If not they aren’t playing any more, so there!

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  56. trump is your wake up call failmerica

    time to wake up and smell the fail you losers

    I mean c’mon

    Jeb Bush, srsly?

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  57. Well, Hoagie, I guess that’s one of the reasons the GOP is often called The Stupid Party. Ironically, it wasn’t all that long ago the Democrats were noted for organizing themselves into circular firing squads.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  58. If Trump’s record isn’t conservative enough for the GOP, how are we to judge the conservatism of Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Mitt Romney? Do they pass the litmus test for true believers while Trump is found wanting?

    very well said Mr. ropelight

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  59. My words, Rush’s concept.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  60. With every district setting new minimum wage laws to keep pace with Seattle, open borders is in no way a ‘single issue’ issue.

    If you have a minimum wage set at whatever figure, that makes American citizens into a defacto labor union, and you have to have law enforcement punishing crooked employers using scab latin American border jumpers. That’s a government job the Jebs and Carlys just won’t do.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  61. Didn’t read all of the thread, maybe the point has been made.

    At one time the polls in Iowa for a voter’s top 2 picks were Trump and Carson, that many who had Trump #1 had Carson #2, and vice versa.
    they are very different in their personality, presentation, and back grounds;
    what they share is that they are not career pols and they are willing to speak their mind even if impolite, like criticizing the pres at a national prayer breakfast.

    people need to quit complaining about Trump and get the message and give a viable alternative (I hope they do, I do not want Trump or a Dem to be pres).

    to begin with, I want to know why cruz and rubio voted for the Corker-cardin bill in the first place, and they better have a very good explanation

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  62. Patterico, It is on the record in a previous blog that you support Obama over Trump for the fate of the Republic. Do you support a third party if Trump wins the nomination? This idea has been suggested from one of the leading lights of “Conservative” thinkers.

    mike191 (b4a717)

  63. My understanding of the constitution is that treaties, horribly stupid suicide pacts with countries led by homicidal religious figures, are the reason for the Senate’s power of consent for international treaties. So we avoid sell outs like the Clintons. Or white American hating Obamas, trying to bring those chickens home, by requiring the consent of a super majority of the US SENATE.

    Republicans have a majority in the SENATE.

    So what happened with the Iran treaty?

    Somebody, and not just one of them, screwed us. It wasn’t Trump. That’s the only thing certain.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  64. #61, MD, my 2 cents, it’s likely Cruz and Rubio voted for Corker-Cardin for significantly different reasons: Rubio because he’s an apprentice to McCain and a witting tool of the GOP establishment; Cruz will have to speak for himself – it doesn’t make sense and I haven’t a clue.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  65. agreed, papertiger
    maybe we should demand Tom Cotton to run
    he’s been a military officer before a senator, so he has some executive experience…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  66. I liked what I saw of cruz’ position on what to do Now
    but that doesn’t explain the original vote.
    later

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  67. Split convention,
    draft Cotton

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  68. “But unfortunately, No is not a choice.”

    You are mistaken. “No” is, indeed a choice. You can try to reduce reality to fit a parochial imagination by the scenario just offered, but greater minds are not persuaded, nor will these minds cooperate with such a narrow vision.

    “And again, No is not an option.”

    And again, you are mistaken. “NO” is an option. “No” is the preferred option to those who have the will, the fortitude, and vision to resist mediocrity.

    felipe (56556d)

  69. If Trump’s record isn’t conservative enough for the GOP, how are we to judge the conservatism of Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Mitt Romeny? Do they pass the litmus test for true believers while Trump is found wanting?

    For now, Trump is leading the pack and seems to have a pretty good chance win. Shouldn’t prudent men keep their options open and allow the nomination process to winnow the candidates rather than go off half-cocked at this early date and foolishly start drawing unnecessary artificial lines in the sand?

    It’s usually wise to keep an open mind till all the options are clearly defined.

    ropelight (cbaa5b) — 9/16/2015 @ 7:55 am

    What do McConnell, Boehner, McCain, Graham, and Romney have to do with this? Are they the other candidates?

    The options are clearly defined now. There’s Trump and there’s people more conservative than him.

    Assume that Bush was leading at the moment. Replace “Trump” in your analysis with “Bush”.

    Gerald A (e1ec12)

  70. I’m sorry, but Tom who? I’ll have to google a Tom Cotton to see who your talking about. There’s the rub. While I enjoy a vigorous google session there are 300 million other people who might not.
    We already have Trump. Most people know him.

    Nope. I’m not inclined to reach to the back of the medicine chest for the bottle without a label. We got the clearly marked bottle of industrial strength Trump, right up front, to treat what ails.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  71. Well, Gerald, if things were different they wouldn’t be the same.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  72. Cotton is the one Senator who voted against it
    he is a young sen who has been a frequent guest on hewitt
    he will be a front runner in ’20 if we don’t win in ’16
    and if there is a ’20…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  73. Is Trump your first choice of the current candidates ropelight?

    Gerald A (e1ec12)

  74. ropelight (cbaa5b) — 9/16/2015 @ 7:55 am

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 9/16/2015 @ 8:05 am

    Unfortunately, both of you are right. Hope-rs gotta hope, and cheaters gotta cheat. With so much political sleight-of-hand going on, I wonder how “fair” this “winnowing” is. But it really should be too early for voters make up their mind about how they are going to vote. To do so is to give up. Raise your hand if you are a quitter!

    felipe (56556d)

  75. felipe (56556d) — 9/16/2015 @ 8:44 am

    OMG, I think I just fed a troll.

    felipe (56556d)

  76. felipe, that’ll be 2 Our Fathers and 5 Hail Marys.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  77. As a Californian,it’s pretty easy of me to refuse to vote for Trump on principle. He’s not going to win this state, and if it actually appeared he might do so then it would mean that he was going to roll to a Reagan-esque victory in the electoral college. But I do wonder what I would do if I were voting in a swing state like Florida, Colorado, Ohio, or the rest of them. I’m pretty sure I would refuse to mark my ballot for Trump and would vote Libertarian or American Constitutional Party, but I wouldn’t know for sure until I had my ballot in hand.

    JVW (887036)

  78. JVW, I vote in Florida, and I support Trump. Following is my response to Gerald A’s question.

    # 73, Gerald, as I’ve said here previously, I would support Beelzebub himself as the lesser of 2 evils against any Democrat in the upcoming presidential election. So, in response to your direct question – not only yes, but hell yes – I support Donald Trump, he’s leading the GOP field not because party leaders are behind him but because he’s identifying and taking strong stands on the issues ordinary Americans care about – issues so many party approved candidates have promised to address during the campaign and completely failed to do so once in office.

    Those voters who like the way things are going now will support a professional insider. However, if voters want America moving in a different direction it’s going to take an outsider willing to say no to entrenched special interests, both foreign and domestic. A leader who can make difficult decisions and not fold when the media begins to shed crocodile tears because illegal aliens aren’t getting free health care, or that capitalism reduces working families to welfare and food stamps, or that job creators aren’t paying enough taxes.

    Our country needs to change now, or we won’t have a country to call our own. So, yes, I support Donald Trump as the best man for the job, warts and all.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  79. Pendulums gotta do what they gotta do.

    Gazzer (a2251b)

  80. Yes, Gazzer, no disrespect, the back and forth sweep of pendulums nearly always attracts and holds the attention, but it’s only repetitive motion, never progress. Real progress is the much more subtle revolution of the earth going on largely unnoticed unless one is fortunate to see a peg knocked over as the pendulum passes through equilibrium and seeks to understand the dynamics involved.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  81. I know ropelight. If we get Trump, and I’m not totally against that notion, I have no idea what we will get next. But by then I will be almost 70 and beyond caring…or 6 feet under.

    Gazzer (a2251b)

  82. Don’t be so sure, I’m already on the wrong side of 70 and I still care. It’s a difficult habit to break.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  83. By beyond caring I mean at some point you get beyond being affected by the whims of politicos. The house is paid for, as are all three cars. We don’t owe anybody any money. I take increasingly more pleasure in helping my wife around the yard as we grow more and more fruits and veggies. We have a crop of cantaloupes coming up right now. Two cats and a dog and all is well in Gazzerland.

    Gazzer (a2251b)

  84. Congratulations Gazzer! I wonder if your (the greatest) generation will be the last to enjoy all the fruits of your labor?

    felipe (56556d)

  85. oops! I guess you are not that old! But maybe Ropelight is.

    felipe (56556d)

  86. felipe, I feel sad for youngsters today who don’t aspire to own their own home and, increasingly, seem to be stuck at home with their parents. We had so many opportunities if we wanted to grab them.
    Reminds me of an old Reagan chestnut,

    Nancy Reagan tells the story of how President Ronald Reagan was
    once challenged by a college student who said it was impossible
    for Reagan’s generation to understand his.

    “You grew up in a different world,” the student said. “Today we
    have television, jet planes, space travel, nuclear energy,
    computers. …”

    Taking advantage of a pause in the student’s litany, Reagan
    said, “You’re right. We didn’t have those things when we were
    young. We invented them.”

    Gazzer (a2251b)

  87. narciso @85, since Obama is deporting Christians back to be slaughtered, but wants to import their slaughterers can we at last be honest that Tiger Beat doesn’t mean us well?

    Right now the “refugees” are battling Hungarian riot police at the border shouting “Allahu Akhbar” so we’re all really just picking up where they left off in 1683.

    Also O/T, it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34263953

    …White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the international community would not accept North Korea as a nuclear state…

    This explains a lot. I think when someone breaks the news to them, President Freshman Dorm will throw South Korea under the bus and start talking up North Korea as a potentially very effective regional power.

    Steve57 (a07e69)

  88. Gazzer, there’s nothing like the pungent smell of a cantaloupe field in the heat of a late summer’s day, it’s irresistible. The share-cropper down the road from my childhood home grew ‘loupes and the local boys would help themseves to one or two nice ones after dark. Tired of the pilfering, one day he put up a sign – Beware! One of these Cantaloupes is poisoned! – the next day he found a scrawled response – Now 2 of these cantaloupes are poison!

    felipe, yrs, I’m old, I was born during FDR’s Administration, but I’m not dead yet and I can still whip most whippersnappers.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  89. That is funny.

    Gazzer (a2251b)

  90. #68 Felipe

    Then if no is a choice, (and I know what you mean) then get ready for president Hillary.

    I hope you enjoy it.

    Your choice (or not) of No has an impact. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t see how people will disregard a lesser of two non perfect candidates because they don’t meet their needs perfectly.

    It’s like waiting to eat until your friends all decide to eat exactly what YOU want. And you wait for days and weeks.

    Well starve then.

    I don’t get this type of thinking.

    I don’t particularly like Trump, but I like him more than Hillary.

    So what should I do? This is a serious question to all you enlightened geniuses out there.

    SIMPLE QUESTION (c30142)

  91. 52. Beck is imploding. First he wants to smuggle Syrian Christians into America and now he thinks half the GOP is racist.

    DRJ (521990) — 9/16/2015 @ 7:26 am

    Beck called Palin a clown. My only reaction is that it takes one to know one.

    At least Trump wants to secure the border, deport illegal aliens, not import ISIS terrorists, and be on America’s side in negotiations with Iran, instead of siding with the Iranians against America as did Obama.

    But, yeah, if you ignore the differences then Trump is just like Obama right down to his community organizing roots.

    Clown.

    Steve57 (a07e69)

  92. I prefer a Carson or a Cruz, in terms of substance and delivery, but I hear echoes of Delaware!!
    in this frankly counterproductive hazing, btw, Adam Sandler does silly films, but his heart is in the right place, whereas Downey’s partner, Al Franken, and his ilk, helped give us Obama,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  93. in part because it seems to have little effect, once the decks are cleared on some of the ‘mostly harmless’ candidates like Graham and Pataki, we’ll have a more solid contest,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  94. Donald Trump never uses telepromoters – or a prepared text. But his speeches still all sound the about the same observed I think a New York Times reporter.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  95. One good thing about Donald Trump: he wants to learn. the New York times reporter found he was studying materials. Almost none of that wound up in his speech one day, but something the reporter told him, did, more or less. Donald Trump said “I hear” that the addiction problem in (Vermont?) starts wiuth oxycontin.

    Donald Trump never admits he was wrong but he does try to avoid repeating the sanme wrong things – sometimes. He always pretends to know more than he does, and he can’t admit he doesn’t know something yet. he didn’t with Hugh Hewitt.

    Let’s see how that went:

    He’s asked about a man. He says he knows who he is – and then he asks for a clue!!

    Hewitt gioves him a clue – head of the Quds force. Donald Trump mistakes that word for Kurds. He doesn’t know there is no such thing as a Kurds force (the term isn’t used)

    Hewitt informs him he’s an Iranian bad guy. Donald Trump asks is that the guy who just visited Moscow? It is.

    Donald Trump thinks the big problem is Putin honoring him – that it is symbolic. Which he somehow thinks is a big problem in itself.

    He doesn’t catch the idea they might be working together on something.

    Indeed it is now suspected this is when Russian intervention in Syria was agreed to.

    Then Donald Trump says if he becomes president he would know more than Hewitt does and gets Hewitt to agree with him. And he says it is not necessary to know because the players all change. That’s like talking about baseball or football or basketball or hockey teams and not knowing any of the important players and then saying that by next season, they’ll all be differnet players anyway.

    He also is malicious, of course.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  96. I think Donald trump gets his strength from the fact he repeats things that have been said on talk radio or on the Internet that people have heard aand read without being contradicted. Others don’t say ithe dsame thing s because they know more.

    The problem is it is hard to get new facts in there so things go uncontradicted and unargued with on the air. Too few poeople get through to these programs abnd there is too much screening and opeople get cut off too easily.

    Donald TYrump doesn’t even realize thaat few people would know some stuff. He can’t distinguish between what would be truly unusual to know and what is not so unusual to know.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  97. Donald Trump asked which is worse oxycontin or heroin. I think maybe oxycontin could be worse but the problem with heroin is the uncertainty of the strength dose – and re-used needles. the thing what’s ahpepned now is that heroin is cheaper than oxycontin plus the company is retructing prescriptions – after someone became addicted.

    And one thing that’s needed is wide availability of the antidote. It should be in amy medicine cabinets just so it should be around.

    And Donald Trump talked about waterboarding not realizing that it was chosen because it was approved as safe – and what they were looking for was only torture that the Chinese government did and the Chinese government was interested in extracting false confessions. It was not chosen because it worked in gaining information. It’s a little bit more complicated tnan that, but the question is almost wrong as was the question about oxycontin vs heroin..

    Nobody really knows a lot and that hurts the debate. If some people really knew things you could get somewhere.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  98. Beck has a screw loose, he always did. I couldn’t watch or listen to him for more than a few minutes without a feeling of foreboding gnawing just at the edges of consciousness, sort of like waiting for the other shoe to drop.

    Beck was right on-target about a great many things and deserves the credit for a style of being provocatively out front way before Donald Trump hit the hustings. (Some clever PolySci grad student might get a PhD for making that connection.)

    But right now, Beck should consider spending more time with his family.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  99. yes, he has, however he has gone a little crazy in the interim, basically disdaining all that work he had done before,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  100. Beck has his own agenda

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  101. Too bad Walker fell for mitten’s 2012 consultant team. He won’t even get a v.p. bid.
    mittens continues to leave his skid marks.

    mg (31009b)

  102. Whatever Mercury wants Beck provides.

    mg (31009b)

  103. yes walker pissed away a really good opportunity

    the lesson?

    Don’t be Scott Walker.

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  104. I like this GOP primary. We’re talking about issues and solutions that Beltway Republicans hate, and moderate candidates are barely showing up in the polls. Maybe I will regret it later but I doubt it. This is much better than what Republicans were talking about 4 years ago.

    DRJ (521990)

  105. The Beltway Republicans and their cohorts need to be taught a lesson. How long until rove has one of his guinea pigs go third party?
    Probably John St. Peter Kasich.

    mg (31009b)

  106. A leader who can make difficult decisions and not fold when the media begins to shed crocodile tears because illegal aliens aren’t getting free health care, or that capitalism reduces working families to welfare and food stamps, or that job creators aren’t paying enough taxes.

    Our country needs to change now, or we won’t have a country to call our own. So, yes, I support Donald Trump as the best man for the job, warts and all.

    ropelight (cbaa5b) — 9/16/2015 @ 10:12 am

    What do you mean by “job creators”? Upper income people?

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  107. Great headline I just saw,
    “Nobody likes Trump except voters.” Hah!

    Gazzer (a2251b)

  108. Tonight will be the “Shiv the Bitter Clinging Base Debate”
    The station this is on says it all. If your job is at cnn….

    mg (31009b)

  109. What do you mean by “job creators”? Upper income people?

    Not necessarily, income isn’t directly relevant. I mean the people who employ others, the majority of which are generally considered to be owners of small businesses. Additionally, I’m opposed to corporate taxes and believe relief from today’s confiscatory business and capital gains taxes would quickly result in a more robust private sector and the expansion of the corporate workforce, along with the attendant increase in the number of taxpayers and the amounts they contribute.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  110. Shorter ropelight. The opposite of whatever “Bernie’s” for.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  111. Yeb has the money the networks need. Powder puff questions for him, I presume.

    mg (31009b)

  112. What do you mean by “job creators”? Upper income people?

    Not necessarily, income isn’t directly relevant. I mean the people who employ others, the majority of which are generally considered to be owners of small businesses. Additionally, I’m opposed to corporate taxes and believe relief from today’s confiscatory business and capital gains taxes would quickly result in a more robust private sector and the expansion of the corporate workforce, along with the attendant increase in the number of taxpayers and the amounts they contribute.

    ropelight (cbaa5b) — 9/16/2015 @ 4:09 pm

    What tax proposals of Trump’s are you talking about with respect to that?

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  113. None, but he’s a man who employs many 100s and 100s of people. Trump creates jobs while Democrats create specious reasons to stick their greedy hands in his pockets.

    ropelight (cbaa5b)

  114. What tax proposals of Trump’s are you talking about with respect to that?

    None…

    ropelight (cbaa5b) — 9/16/2015 @ 4:58 pm

    Ah okay.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  115. Gerald A, what was your purpose in conflating “upper income people” with job creators, (#104) and my position on corporate taxes with what you erroneously identified as ‘Trump’s tax proposals’ the ones you claim I was supposedly “talking about” (#110)?

    Feel free to ignore the question if you’ve misunderstood my comments.

    ropelight (862cb9)

  116. How could anyone vote for Trump?

    The GOP blithely presided (2000-2006) over expanded debt and entitlements, and lost the House and Senate. It studiously ignored rising concerns over immigration (sorry, acts of love), while cities and counties are blowing their budgets to pay for its consequences.

    It engaged in largely cosmetic efforts to restrain spending and can’t seem to get a grip on Lois Lerner or Hillary’s emails, leaving that to Judicial Watch.

    The GOP’s promises are worth about as much as an Argentinian bond.

    So of course, people should trust the lobbyist-infested GOP. They should ignore a relatively self- made man, who takes their concerns seriously, while the GOP’s decaffeinated candidate does not. Trump was a wakeup call but the GOP is still sleeping.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  117. 108. Shorter ropelight. The opposite of whatever “Bernie’s” for.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 9/16/2015 @ 4:12 pm

    That’s not a bad rule of thumb. Considering “Bernie’s” ideas have a “sell by” date of October 1917.

    Steve57 (506e39)

  118. Steve57, I’ve been waiting for you to make an appearance to see if you have an opinion on the Luminox – 8817. I’ve got a jones.

    ropelight (862cb9)

  119. That’s not a bad rule of thumb. Considering “Bernie’s” ideas have a “sell by” date of October 1917.
    Steve57 (506e39) — 9/17/2015 @ 1:15 pm

    Heh, heh, heh.

    felipe (56556d)

  120. The Luminox Navy SEAL 20th Anniversary Series Watch is one of the finest watches you’ll find. It includes Luminox’s ultimate Swiss self-powered illumination system that glows without the need to push a button or expose to light, glows continuously for more than 25 years, and glows 100 times brighter than other luminous watches.

    Now that’s luminous.

    felipe (56556d)

  121. ropelight @116, I have no basis to form an opinion on that watch. Sorry to make you wait.

    Steve57 (506e39)

  122. Bad news for Trump in the morning after polls.

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=359039

    Peak Trump? Poll Finds Trump Tied with Carly Nationally; Another Poll Finds Trump Behind Carson by 2 in Michigan

    Steve57 (506e39)

  123. I like the following comment from your link, Steve57.

    “8 The perverse part of me wants to see Trump vs Biden: Our retard against your retard. May the best mongoloid win.”

    Posted by: Naes at September 17, 2015 02:54 PM (Ypc8j)

    felipe (56556d)

  124. it’s almost as if the MFM had an agenda, and Trump isn’t on it…

    when Carly ran for senator here in #Failifornia, she sounded just like a Demonrat.

    redc1c4 (15039b)

  125. I mentioned before not to panic over Trump and that he would implode. Well, Boom! The debate was the sound of Trump jumping the shark. Every candidate looked and acted with class, seriousness, gravitas (I love to use that leftist inspired word just to bust their stones) and professionalism except Trump. He acted like the class clown and was obviously in over his head. Fiorina won in my opinion. Followed by Rubio then (I hate to say) Christie. Trump came in last, IMO. Again this is just how I saw things, your results may vary.

    Steve57, the expiration date quip was priceless ad 100% on target, thanks!

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)


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