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9/14/2015

Better That Ten Innocent Suffer Than One Guilty Go Free

Filed under: Accepted Wisdom,Education,General — JVW @ 3:34 pm

[guest post by JVW]

Rep. Jared Polis, Democrat from Boulder County in Colorado, has stirred controversy with comments he made at a House Subcommittee on Higher Education meeting. While in full-blown pander to the campus rape hysteria crowd, Polis let loose with the following regarding students who have been accused of sexual assault:

If there are 10 people who have been accused, and under a reasonable likelihood standard maybe one or two did it, it seems better to get rid of all 10 people. We’re not talking about depriving them of life or liberty, we’re talking about them being transferred to another university, for crying out loud.

Polis uses “people” in his revised Blackstone’s Ratio, but one doesn’t have to be a mind reader to understand that he really means “men.” He dismisses the idea that lives could be ruined by suggesting that it would be practical and easy for students to transfer, overlooking the fact that most universities aren’t keen on taking in students with a record of expulsion on their history. Fortunately, he seems to be way ahead of even left-wing sentiment here. The reliably progressive editorial board at the Boulder Daily Camera, his hometown newspaper, has dubbed the nascent Polis Ratio as “a spectacularly bad idea.”

I have worried for some time now that the most ridiculous ideas from the left are initially dismissed, but have a tendency to stick around and gather momentum among the academic, media, and advocacy classes until they suddenly become the latest manifestation of Social Justice. Would anyone want to bet against this idea being adopted in the Democrat Party’s 2024 election platform?

– JVW

38 Responses to “Better That Ten Innocent Suffer Than One Guilty Go Free”

  1. Fun fact: Polis the father of — yep, you guessed it! — a son. That is absolutely a Clintonian level of pandering there.

    JVW (05e1e2)

  2. what failmerican rapeversities need is more gullible chinese losers what have more money than sense, not silly rape theorems

    rape is the one thing they’re actually good at

    this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. JVW – wouldn’t it be fun to write the ads for his next opponent?

    JD (34f761)

  4. does Jared really think this whole “campus rape” hoax is a for reals problem in the context of all the horrific and growing challenges this pitiful weak and cowardly little country is facing or is he just a neurotic bored rich gay guy who’s having some fun pathologizing young straight college guys for kicks

    you know I’m really not sure what the answer to that question is

    but he’s a big weirdo that’s for sure

    happyfeet (831175)

  5. R.I.P. Moses Malone, one of the NBA’s all-time great players

    R.I.P. Gary Richrath, guitarist for REO Speedwagon during their hit-making years

    Icy (941b63)

  6. There was a frequent commenter on Pandagon, Amanda Marcotte’s site several years ago, who stated that, in accusations of rape, the crime was so serious and the number of rapists who got away with it so vast, that rape should be an accusation in which the accused is presumed guilty unless he can prove himself innocent.

    This was back in 2008 or so; the site has since disappeared.

    The Dana who has seen this stuff before (1b79fa)

  7. A huge part of the problem is that the Obysmal Administration is pushing universities, under Title IX, to not only report all allegations of rape or sexual abuse, but to have specific policies to deal with it.

    Well, the only policy which makes any sense at all is that the university will report every such claim to law enforcement. Leaving it with college administrators is leaving it with people with neither the time nor the training nor the inclination for criminal investigation; it is a guarantee of unprofessionalism.

    Of course, the campus feminists want the university to handle it internally, but that’s a spectacularly bad idea: the only punishment the administration can mete out is expulsion, and that means, if the expelled student really is a rapist, he may be off campus, but he’s still out, free, and able to rape again. Of course, if he’s been banished from campus, that means his future victims are more likely to be waitresses or laundresses or convenience store clerks, and they don’t really count, do they?

    The Dana who isn't a policeman (1b79fa)

  8. It is Boulder and Bruce Banner is on the menu.

    Peter Tosh (31009b)

  9. OT. Deutsche Bank, the worlds largest is cutting 25K or 25% of its workforce. Italy’s largest, again by assets, is cutting 10K or 7%.

    Incoming.

    DNF (42bbf3)

  10. If there’s even a 20% chance that a person makes a false accusation, she needs to be expelled. We don’t want to encourage lying about things like that.

    malclave (4ddf38)

  11. 10 men accused of rape can’t possibly be “innocent”. Just by virtue of their privilege they are collectively guilty of something.

    Didn’t we learn anything from the Duke Lacrosse case? That’s exactly what was said then: maybe they’re not guilty of it this time but they sure in hell were guilty of it at some time in the past or will be in the future. They’re WHITE. They’re COLLEGE ATHLETES. They’re MALE.

    They are convicted of their identity. They don’t need to actually do anything.

    Gabriel Hanna (2ca835)

  12. Les Miserables comes to a campus near you!

    Steve Malynn (b5f891)

  13. Turning the American justice system on its head. Thanks to all that supported left wing agendas of any stripe. Blood will be on your hands.

    njrob (c94106)

  14. Better that 10 Duke Lacrosse players lose their scholarships and be kicked out of college than one greedy hoochie choochie girl be exposed as a liar.

    ropelight (9234b9)

  15. Personally I like it when creeps like Polis crawl out of the woodwork and make the left’s true intention’s known. That way nobody has an excuse for going along with anything that Sen. Gillibrand and her ilk may come up with that appears more reasonable. Because we all know where it’s headed, thanks to Polis giving the game away.

    Similarly we can thank all the people who are demanding all guns be confiscated. Because now we all have an excuse when the Democrats like O’Malley propose a national firearm registry. He says it’s for crime control, but firearm registration is only good for one thing. And the crazies have given the game away.

    By the way, the first candidate who proposes abolishing the Dept. of Education gets my vote, and I don’t care if it is Trump. Because it’s the DoE that is driving most of this campus rape hysteria by requiring colleges and Universities have extrajudicial kangaroo sex crimes courts.

    Along with a lot of other forms of madness in education.

    Steve57 (a07e69)

  16. The Dept. of Ed? Any population that would allow the friggin’ government to “educate” their children deserves it when the children turn on them in favor of the government. The last entity on earth that should have access to children after homosexuals is government and in this country it seems main stream to allow both access with a big ole smile.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  17. I am not surprised in the least. This is simply and extension of the usual socialist policies.
    They would rather have 10 people suffer in poverty than one person have more than another. They believe in their warped view of “equality” over anything else. Until it entangles them of course

    Mythx (2b99f8)

  18. OT…Dr. K. has checked in from Ypres…http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/49748.html

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  19. I have a question for the legal eagles. The First Amendment clearly states that “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech” yet the bureaucrats at the Dept. of Education is interpreting Title IX of the United States Education Amendments of 1972 as allowing them to force universities and colleges to adopt illegal and unconstitutional speech codes. Something about preventing “hostile environments.”

    If Congress has no constitutional authority to pass such a law, how can an executive branch bureaucracy claim to have derived such regulatory authority from any federal law?

    Steve57 (a07e69)

  20. that went by the wayside with the 1934 Federal Communication Act, oddly I don’t recall a legal challenge to that,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  21. JVW – wouldn’t it be fun to write the ads for his next opponent?

    In most cases, sure JD. But Polis is a gay Democrat in Boulder so he is untouchable unless another lefty from an approved victim group should challenge him. Hopefully, though, this ends any aspirations he had to statewide office.

    JVW (60fabf)

  22. If there’s even a 20% chance that a person makes a false accusation, she needs to be expelled.

    “She” isn’t expelled even if there is proof she made it all up.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  23. BTW, this guy’s district used to go 65-30 for Udall, now Jared gets 55-45. An awful lot of backwoods in his district. It’s not impossible that he could be beat, even considering Boulder. It would just take a good candidate for the GOP and a lot of money.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  24. Probably not in a Presidential election year though, Kevin M, but maybe in a mid-term election when fewer low information voters make it out to the polls. But you’re right that communities like Longmont and Lafayette might overcome the Boulder hippie vote. It could happen.

    JVW (60fabf)

  25. Great tagline. Basically the principle of FBI & NSA electronic dragnets.

    Cobb (e0bc6c)

  26. Nothing more to say than…

    LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL ILLNESS!

    Mark (26006c)

  27. Well, the only policy which makes any sense at all is that the university will report every such claim to law enforcement. Leaving it with college administrators is leaving it with people with neither the time nor the training nor the inclination for criminal investigation; it is a guarantee of unprofessionalism.

    I suspect that Graham Spanier and company would disagree with you.

    I have a question for the legal eagles. The First Amendment clearly states that “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech” yet the bureaucrats at the Dept. of Education is interpreting Title IX of the United States Education Amendments of 1972 as allowing them to force universities and colleges to adopt illegal and unconstitutional speech codes. Something about preventing “hostile environments.”

    How could the Department claim authority to interpret law in the first place.

    Michael Ejercito (d74b61)

  28. Look at Jared Polis’s background. La Jolla suburban upper-class upbringing, Princeton politically-correct college. Partly due to luck (timing, mix of colleagues) and partly due to genuine genius, he made a fortune in the nascent internet, including the founding of ProFlowers. Used that fortune to buy a safe(-ish; 55%) Democrat House seat in Colorado. Has next to zero non-leftist views. Has never had to deal with shrill leftist harpies, as he has a fella, not a lady. (NTTAWTT.) So hey, if some damn breeder fratboy has to change colleges, no biggy, right, J?

    Mitch (bfd5cd)

  29. Heterophopbic.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  30. I think I saw Jared Polis diddling a six year old. We’d best round up the entire Colorado Democratic congressional delegation, impeach them all to be sure.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  31. With HIllary out there saying that “victims” of sexual assault have a right to be believed, anything is possible. I defend students against these complaints all of the time, and you wouldn’t believe some of the stories that the Universities buy.

    Rochf (f3fbb0)

  32. One of the most resonant Murphyisms is “No one can kill a bad idea.”

    Jimpithecus (a3c1bc)

  33. With HIllary out there saying that “victims” of sexual assault have a right to be believed, anything is possible. I defend students against these complaints all of the time, and you wouldn’t believe some of the stories that the Universities buy.

    Does anyone remember the child abuse scandals including the ones prosecuted by janet Reno

    “Believe the Children”

    Joe from Texas (debac0)

  34. It sounds like an apology for the State-establishment of a pro-choice cult.

    n.n (bfd2d2)

  35. HIllary out there saying that “victims” of sexual assault have a right to be believed…

    Except, of course, Juanita Broadderick, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones and all the others who accused Bill Clinton of a series of sexual assaults while Hillary coordinated smear campaigns to intimidate her husband’s victims into silence – victims of sexual assault she now claims have a right to be believed.

    The acrid stench of toxic hypocrisy surrounds and permeates that woman, Ms Clinton. She’s off to a good start but she’s got a way to go before she racks up a record close to Bloody Mary’s. But she’s already in the same league with Aileen Wuornos.

    ropelight (732335)

  36. Here is the only policy an institute of learning should have regarding sexual assault:

    1. Report all accusations of sexual assault to the appropriate law enforcement agencies
    2. Assist the criminal investigation by these agencies to the greatest degree permissible under the law
    3. Accept their findings as final, as they are the professionals in this area and educators and administrators are not
    4. Sit down. Shut up. And take out your crayons.

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