Carly Fiorina Now Very Likely To Be On Main Stage At GOP Debate
[guest post by Dana]
Do you think Fiorina is now vulnerable to being accused of gender politics given that she benefits the most from the rules being tweaked? And will Trump, with the most to lose, be the one making that accusation?
The organizers of the next Republican presidential debate have announced changes to debate criteria that mean former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina will almost certainly join the rest of the top-tier candidates on the main stage at the Reagan Library on Sept. 16.
“CNN reevaluated its criteria and decided to add a provision that better reflects the state of the race since the first Republican presidential debate in August,” the network announced. “Now, any candidate who ranks in the top 10 in polling between August 6 and September 10 will be included.”
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:15 amNo.
Sammy Finkelman (39761f) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:26 amshe adds a value in these debates what is disproportionate to her stature as a political figure cause of how she’s so articulate
unlike trump who is very trashy and disgusting like those old fart people at the country club bar at 2 in the afternoon
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:26 amHow is it playing gender politics when she has better poll numbers than most of the men?
Plus, I never perceived her complaints to be “I am a women” therefore they don’t want me.
I perceived her comments of “Democrats don’t want me on stage b/c I am a women who can dispel the lies of the left.”
Big diff.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:34 amGood news for Team R. I might actually watch this one.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:58 amThis just in… “Carlitos to watch the next Republican debate!” An anxious world will sleep a little easier tonight…
Colonel Haiku (dc1411) — 9/2/2015 @ 8:02 amShe has to deal with the angry techies about HP but Tom Perkins has weighed in on her defense.
A bit more perspective here.
Many have pointed out the downsides of one of her biggest decisions, HP’s merger with Compaq. Still, Therese Poletti over at MarketWatch notes that the company’s server business, which was part of the acquisition, has been a bright spot.
Perkins was responding to an article by Andrew Ross Sorkin of the New York Times criticizing Fiorina’s record at the firm.
I have also read that the server business, which was originally DEC, is a big positive of the Compaq acquisition. I had also read at the time that she was opposed by HP heirs who wanted to run things because of their stock and not because of any talent.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 9/2/2015 @ 8:24 amTrue, Mike K. Very agenda-driven subterfuge at play there.
Colonel Haiku (dc1411) — 9/2/2015 @ 9:19 amGood point. The Republicans should just write off my vote. That’s the way to build a party.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 9/2/2015 @ 9:25 amwell if you didn’t watch when 24 million did, who’s the outlier,
narciso (ee1f88) — 9/2/2015 @ 9:26 amThe next debate will be chaired by Jake Tapper and Hugh Hewitt. I hope for better questions.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/2/2015 @ 9:28 amI have also read that the server business, which was originally DEC, is a big positive of the Compaq acquisition. I had also read at the time that she was opposed by HP heirs who wanted to run things because of their stock and not because of any talent.
It’s interesting that the same people who talk of the layoffs after the Compaq merger supported the Hewlett heirs position — which was to close the PC business entirely and retrench as a printers-only company. Over half the company would have been laid off if they had their way, and someone else would have bought Compaq and had the same redundancies.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/2/2015 @ 9:31 amCarly isn’t saying “You don’t want me because I’m a girl and you’re sexist;” she’s saying “You don’t want me because I’m a girl and it will show that Republicans aren’t the party of old white men.” There’s a subtle but important difference.
Imagine a stage with Carly, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Scott Walker. You would have a woman tech executive, an African-American neurosurgeon, a Hispanic attorney, the first Hispanic Supreme Court clerk, an eye surgeon (who does pro bono surgery in Haiti as his version of vacation), and a man who couldn’t afford to finish college. This is the party of “old, white, rich, anti-intellectual men.”
Those optics are just terrible if you’re a lefty, especially when your own side is full of entitled, over-rich, under-achieving sexagenarians.
bridget (d90803) — 9/2/2015 @ 10:17 amWhen Ms Fiorina is on stage with the other male Republican candidates, she should respect them all by calling them fine Americans and stating that either one would make her a good vice-president.
Edward A. Solner (fab858) — 9/2/2015 @ 10:41 amBridget,
I agree with your observations, but what I’m wondering is if you think this makes her vulnerable to attack from her GOP rivals, particularly the front-runner?
Dana (c2a627) — 9/2/2015 @ 10:59 amhow presumptuous of her… doesn’t she know it’s Jeb!’s turn?
redc1c4 (589173) — 9/2/2015 @ 11:04 amRush Limbaugh is talkin’ trash about all you ankle biting Trump bashers. He knows The Donald isn’t a doctrinaire conservative and Rush is OK with that, and so am I. Trump can beat the sox off any damn jackass the Dems run against him, and his coattails will carry majorities into both houses of congress and most statehouses.
The enemy of my enemy gets my vote, all day long.
ropelight (2a96ab) — 9/2/2015 @ 11:10 amBy any reasonable standard Fiorina belongs on that stage.
Some individual polls have her as high as third place. I was just checking out the RCP poll averages, though.
In Iowa it’s Trump 23.3, Carson 18.3, Cruz 8, Walker 7.5, and Fiorina 6.8. If CNN was going to put more than four candidates on that stage, Fiorina has to be one of them.
In the national RCP poll averages it’s Trump 25.5, Carson 12, Bush 9.5, Cruz 7, Rubio 6.5, Walker 6.3, and Fiorina 5.8.
I don’t see how you dismiss her. She’s not an also ran; she’s a serious, top tier candidate.
Steve57 (3b2e7d) — 9/2/2015 @ 11:13 amDana, I think that it would make her vulnerable in a different set of circumstances (e.g. if there were other women in the race, or if she were polling very close to 10th place). But when she’s polling top 3 or 4, and they aren’t letting her on the stage of 10… no.
I also don’t think that Trump would benefit by attacking her over this; it just makes him look insecure.
bridget (d90803) — 9/2/2015 @ 11:19 amIf it weren’t for previous actions she’s taken I would have inclined not to
think too much of this.
But since she’s decided she’ll be all “War on Womenz” and “Men are Meanies”
then I see now where her head is at.
One thing she perhaps didn’t expect is that her whining about it made me look
closer at what she’s said and supported over the years and she’s in many ways
more of an establishment liberal person than many of the guys we don’t have
good things to say about.
Maybe she’ll manage to put some of that to rest one way or another.
How about a comparison of business leadership and profit making between her and
Trump?
Also just on basic principles what is needed is a Leader and someone with a
jakee308 (c37f85) — 9/2/2015 @ 11:36 amvision who’s not going to let themselves be sidetracked by PC and other assorted
whinings by those on the left. I don’t think Carly can lay claim to that ability.
I love your last sentence in #12 Bridget and man are you on point. Ropelight, I gotta agree. As I said, I’m tired of holding my nose to vote Republican and I sure ain’t voting for a commie or a grifter. If it comes down to Trump or the Dog Catcher from Willow Grove, Pa then so be it, but I’m not voting for another Bush or a Kucinich. Do you guys realize we have more intellectually and morally honest people who could be better Presidents here on this site than the democrat party has run in years?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 9/2/2015 @ 11:46 amRev, the 2016 Democratic slate of presidential candidates include more people who’d compromise national security by mishandling classified than we have visiting this site.
If it were up to me I wouldn’t trust the Vermont socialist with a security clearance, either.
Steve57 (3b2e7d) — 9/2/2015 @ 11:58 amare we sure Mr. Walker couldn’t afford to finish college?
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/2/2015 @ 12:01 pmOnly you know where your heart, mind and loyalties lay, carlitos.
Colonel Haiku (dc1411) — 9/2/2015 @ 12:01 pmFiorina is probably the only novelty candidate this time around I might could be inspired to vote for
but i’d still be living in Chicago so it’s “voting” not voting voting
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/2/2015 @ 12:06 pmSeriously Steve57, is there anyone on the dem slate you’d even trust to babysit your kid, do your banking or run your business let alone have access to our secrets and nuclear football?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 9/2/2015 @ 12:15 pmI also don’t think that Trump would benefit by attacking her over this; it just makes him look insecure.
See: Kelly, Megyn.
Yeah, I don’t see Trump as caring much about appearing insecure. I think he’s so without self-awareness, that he often emotionally reacts without thinking through how that reaction might look.
Dana (c2a627) — 9/2/2015 @ 12:28 pm“He knows The Donald isn’t a
doctrinaireconservative and Rush is OK with that, and so am I.”– ropelight
FTFY
Leviticus (f9a067) — 9/2/2015 @ 12:31 pmThere’s more between heaven and earth than meets the eye, grasshopper.
ropelight (2a96ab) — 9/2/2015 @ 12:40 pmWhile I like Mrs Fiorina, I am stunned that the former CEO of a computer company can have such an unhelpful, crappy campaign website.
The shamelessly self-promoting Dana (f6a568) — 9/2/2015 @ 12:56 pmcarly is clearly for America Mr. Dana
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/2/2015 @ 1:04 pmFiorina is already defending herself from charges.
Dana (c2a627) — 9/2/2015 @ 1:20 pmOr as Wonkette accusess: Carly Fiorina Gets Lady Quota Affirmative Actioned Into Next Republican Debate.
Dana (c2a627) — 9/2/2015 @ 1:23 pmAccuses. One ‘s’….
Dana (c2a627) — 9/2/2015 @ 1:25 pmyeah but Princess Lindsay is still stuck at the kiddie table
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/2/2015 @ 1:26 pmFiorina’s tweet-thingy yesterday said this:
Immediately followed by this:
Trump is sufficiently unpredictable that despite this remarkably gracious thanks, he might make some nasty remark about her anyway.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2015 @ 1:41 pm#8 Carlitos seems to think if you don’t pander to his racist views and affirm his moral superiority of being a “minority” that you don’t want his vote. Oh yeah, and give him a Govt handout.
Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d) — 9/2/2015 @ 1:43 pm.
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Dios mio que mierda se ha vuelto el imigrante hispano. Me da pena como hispano verlo.
By the way, I’m not aware of Fiorina ever making a gender-based or even -influenced argument in favor of the rules change. Her point was that the line-up was being set based on polls that were badly dated and that ignored essentially all the polling movement since the first debate — essentially ensuring that the debates would be less relevant than they could be to the race as it stand today. I think she was right, and I’m as pleased to see someone pushed off the stage by the polling changes as to see her climb onto the stage. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with her being female.
Most of the nasty things Trump has said about her in the past have had to do with her record as CEO of Hewlitt-Packard.
As I’ve discussed in other comments on this blog before, I think her business record, fairly judged throughout her career (of which that CEO job was the undeniable highlight), is a spectacular asset, not a liability. I think it compares well with Romney’s: his had different vulnerabilities than hers (reflecting Bain Capital’s role as a financier/rescuer of troubled companies versus HP’s more straightforward role as a tech & manufacturing colossus), and some similar vulnerabilities too (e.g., employee testimonials like “I got laid off when he/she downsized us”). But overall and in context, both Romney and Fiorina can fairly claim to have had very long and generally successful business careers that correctly imply managerial experience and skill on their parts. And Fiorina got a boost last week, or at least a shiny new talking point, when a key former opponent of hers on the HP board recanted, in a newspaper ad endorsing Fiorina’s expertise, his former criticisms of her re the HP-Compaq merger. She’s been practicing her career-oriented talking points relentlessly and fearlessly on the campaign trail — popping off a series of positive data points about her tenure. So I’m quite confident she’s perpetually ready for any attack on these grounds.
However, I’m also pretty sure that Fiorina has a line that she’s carefully honed and practiced, but then filed away — for instant retrieval and use if appropriate — in which she points out, dryly, how ironic it is for a guy who’s dragged his own companies through four waves of multiple-company bankruptcies, wiping out tens of billions of shareholder equity and unsecured trade creditors and small businesses, to be criticizing her for the mere drop in share price of her company’s tech stock after the Tech Bubble crashed. No, HP hasn’t yet had a single trip through bankruptcy. So let’s talk about bankruptcies and who pays for them and who’s left behind in the wake of repeated bankruptcies — and what that implies about fitness.
I predict that Trump will let her alone, but no one making predictions about Trump is doing anything more than guessing.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2015 @ 2:03 pmIt’d be like Wonkette to suggest that if Mrs Fiorina is running fifth or sixth out of ten, that making the top ten was an Affirmative Action thing. To the left, women and blacks can never succeed on their own; they always have to have help.
Why, it’s almost as though the left were secretly racist and sexist.
The snarky Dana (f6a568) — 9/2/2015 @ 2:05 pmShe could make a lot of people happy pushing Trump over the edge.
mg (31009b) — 9/2/2015 @ 2:44 pmIt would show she was presidential material if she succeeds in doing so.
Rush had some very thought provoking things to say yesterday. This is relevant as it has to do with all the candidates, not just Fiorina, and why so many crowding the stage.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/09/01/donors_turn_their_lonely_eyes_to_mitt
I think when Rush talked about Princess Lindsey he misspoke. He is there to siphon money away from the not-Bush, not-Establishment candidates. Princess Lindsey isn’t in the race to siphon money away from Bush. Because as he says the junior establishment candidates are there to soak up all the money that Bush isn’t getting. As in, going to real not-Bush, not-establishment candidates.
The RNC’s plan is like how sponsors will enter entire teams into the Tour De France in order to ride strategically to give their star rider the best chance to win.
Clearly this would have had to have been in the works for a long time for it to work. And I think it has been. Which is why Bush could be so cavalier about losing the primary to win the general election, and how he wasn’t going to pander to the conservative base.
No wonder. The RNC/establishment decided the way to get their candidate was to split the base into tiny little bits. As many as it takes, so that whatever tiny percentage of the vote Bush gets, it’s still bigger than any single rival.
So if he could get 20% of the vote he wouldn’t need so many others in the race. But he’s only getting close to 10%. So as Rush says, the more the merrier. And the RNC gives us a circus.
There’s nothing paranoid about this. It makes sense, and this is exactly the kind of thing the RNC/GOPe would do.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/Senate/2014/0625/How-Mississippi-Democrats-and-GOP-bigwigs-helped-Thad-Cochran-win
So, the question is who are the team players, and who are the loose cannons the establishment is trying to knock off? I don’t think it will be all that obvious until the dust settles after the race. But I suspect one of the earliest signs will be when the team players call it quits. Like after they play their role until their state primary is over, and then having taken a bullet for the team quit and endorse Jeb.
I think there are going to be a few surprises, and more than a few disappointments.
Steve57 (3b2e7d) — 9/2/2015 @ 3:02 pmTrump is more conservative than Limbaugh. He’s only had two divorces and three marriages, compared to Limbaugh’s three and four. He’s never been addicted to opiates; never bought thousands of illegal pills; and never been caught flying in from Costa with someone else’s whoopee pills. And he’s not a Canadian.
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2015 @ 3:20 pmSteve57 (3b2e7d) — 9/2/2015 @ 3:02 pm
Thanks, Steve57. I’ve been wondering about the plethora of potentials in the GOP line-up.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 3:38 pmnk (dbc370) — 9/2/2015 @ 3:20 pm
Heh.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 3:40 pmYour perspective is skewed, nk, Bernie Sanders is more conservative than you.
ropelight (2a96ab) — 9/2/2015 @ 3:40 pmWhen living in a state where ones vote never matters, your mind has lapses. Anyway mine does. Some would say permanent damage has already begun.
mg (31009b) — 9/2/2015 @ 3:59 pmNah, I don’t have a child out of wedlock.
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2015 @ 4:07 pmBridget wrote:
No, that’s wrong, too. Mrs Fiorina is saying that she deserves to be on the main stage because she’s earned it. She’s not saying that it has anything to do with her genitals, but with her performance.
The Dana who values performance (1b79fa) — 9/2/2015 @ 4:11 pmI am happy they corrected their methodology to more accurately reflect the current climate. I hope Carly uses this opportunity to really shine.
JD (34f761) — 9/2/2015 @ 4:17 pmCarlyGirl
All action is reaction
Expansion
Contraction
Man the manipulator
Underwater
Does it matter
Antimatter
Nuclear reactor
Boom boom boom boom
I guess everything’s irrelative
I’m the Carlygirl
Oh my genitals
I’m the Carlygirl
Oh my genitals
Oh my genitals
I’m Republican!
All action is reaction
Expansion
Contraction
Man the manipulator
Underwater
Does it matter
Antimatter
Nuclear reactor
Boom boom boom boom
I guess everything’s irrelative
I’m the Carlygirl
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/2/2015 @ 4:22 pmOh my genitals
I’m the Carlygirl
Oh my genitals
Oh my genitals
I’m Republican!
the original…
http://youtu.be/7RBRJVUsI48
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/2/2015 @ 4:25 pmlaughing.
mg (31009b) — 9/2/2015 @ 4:43 pmLocal band you hang with, Col.
the Golden Years of KROQ…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/2/2015 @ 4:44 pm@ Kevin M (#10): I’m also hoping that Jake Tapper and Hugh Hewitt will indeed provide good questions. I’ve heard Hugh point out that he’s a co-questioner with Tapper, but Tapper is the (sole) moderator. Tapper at his best is quite good, and I know that Hugh has been approaching this debate with relentless and very systematic thinking and planning.
I expect that Hugh will include among his questions topics on which he believes would be relevant to a general-election campaign against Hillary or any of the other Dem candidates. He will give them square opportunities to distinguish themselves not just from each other, but from the Democrats. These are very distinct from “gotcha” questions, which are fair game for testing how candidates will respond to attacks on those subjects and topics. Jake Tapper might be relatively more inclined than Hugh to toss some of those out.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2015 @ 4:51 pmErrata above, an extraneous word: “will include among his questions topics on which he believes”–>”will include among his questions topics which he believes”
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2015 @ 4:53 pmCarly Fiorina’s got it going on and I hope she shows Trump the error of his ways.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/2/2015 @ 5:05 pmTrump is more conservative than Limbaugh.
Quite seriously, Jeb Squish-Squish Bush has a campaign video with segments highlighting Trump saying very liberal things through the years, such as his proclaiming how much he likes Hillary Clinton and her old man too, or other such comments that ooze liberal sentiment.
Since prominent liberals in particular, if not liberals in general, rarely express a flip-side version of that, or subtle yet staunch conservative biases — and since there’s not much of squish-squish to the left as there is to the right — the cheapness of compassion-for-compassion’s-sake emotions must be peculiarly contagious among a wide variety of humans.
Mark (dc566c) — 9/2/2015 @ 5:10 pmMark, as far as I’m concerned Limbaugh and Trump are a couple of slimeballs who love only money, nookie, and their loud mouths. They are both about as conservative as a New Orleans pimp. They talk conservatism and walk lowlife.
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2015 @ 5:32 pmY’know what, nk? I can count on one hand (without including my thumb) the times that I have listened to , read the words of, or felt the braille of, this Rush person. Two of those times has been on this site.
I guess I’m trying to tell you that I’m not feeling you. But then I’m an independant and, thus not privy to the finer points of, uh, whatever point you are making. Can you clue me in? A couple of solid examples of liberal behaviour would be great. No, I do not count human failures that are common to , uh, humans.
Thanks, in advance.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 5:42 pm“Have”, dammit, not “has!”
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 5:43 pmNo problem, felipe. I don’t like and I don’t trust Limbaugh or Trump. I would not buy a sleep number mattress from, or vote for, either one of them. But there’s no reason for you to agree with me.
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2015 @ 5:55 pmWhether or not you trust Rush has little to no bearing on whether or not he is conservative. The idea that Trump is more conservative based on Rush’s personal issues is comical.
JD (3898b3) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:02 pmLimbaugh almost had an emotional breakdown when Mitt Romney lost I was embarrassed to listen
Trump is also embarrassing
it’s like watching Josh Duggar waiting for the 19th shoe to drop and counting
happyfeet (831175) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:03 pmnk (dbc370) — 9/2/2015 @ 5:55 pm
As usual, you are right, nk.
But I should point out that I neither disagree, nor do I agree with you. I am asking for information in order to form a more informed opinion. I did not make that clear – the fault is mine.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:09 pmhappyfeet (831175) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:03 pm
That comment is best understood if you imagine a piece of velvet against HF’s cheek being stroked, while it is typed.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:13 pmPikachu hates everybody, maybe it’s a thing with fmr Austin residents, I know one exception that proves the rule.
narciso (7c7aed) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:15 pmI know one exception that proves the rule.
narciso (7c7aed) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:15 pm
Et tu, narciso? Hint, not the city.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:17 pmI was being more than a little hyperbolic. But I was also throwing Limbaugh’s “judgment” back at him from way back when Clinton was President. He’d ask, on his show, why people who led conservative lives — hard working, law-abiding, faithful to their spouses, caring of their children — would go and vote for liberal policies. Feet of clay?
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:19 pmMaybe I’m generalizing about the roost of ronnie earl, if so I apologize.
narciso (7c7aed) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:20 pmYes, feet of clay. The point is yours.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:21 pmNo apology needed. The ignorance is mine.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:22 pmBecause they are ultimately weak minded.
narciso (7c7aed) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:22 pmi like lots of people for example i like Mr. Governor Scott Walker and I love austin but i already checked that box and it’s time to move on dot org
i like carly too i just think the idea of her being ready to be president is silly
i scoff at this idea
scornfully is how I scoff at this idea
happyfeet (831175) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:28 pmi don’t understand about the velvet
that sounds vaguely kinky though
happyfeet (831175) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:29 pmYes, you do, HF. you are in denial.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:31 pmHere comes the food defection.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:32 pmYes you moved to chitown, ryleh on lake michigan, apologies to the residents there.
narciso (7c7aed) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:32 pmI meant “deflection”, but Sometimes the sub-conscience knows better.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:33 pmchicago made me an offer I couldn’t refuse Mr. narciso
happyfeet (831175) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:34 pmHF owes them the apology, but point taken.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:34 pmWe have water.
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:36 pmYou can lead a horse to water….
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:40 pmi love the water in winter it’s super ice cold right out of the tap and really very tasty
happyfeet (831175) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:40 pmTrump says he’d appoint his sister to the Supreme Court.
Sanders made a mistake running for the Democrat nomination. He should have run for the Republican nomination. He’d be leading in the polls now. Think about it.
Gerald A (949d7d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:41 pmMy guess: To assume Trump will behave and be respectful to his rivals is to not have been paying close attention. While he will likely avoid any conflict with Cruz, I just don’t see him keeping his distance from the other contenders. He needs to hold onto that lead. And they need to gain in the polls, thus out of necessity they will need to be more forceful. This isn’t another debate to introduce themselves, and given that Trump’s rivals know just how much attention and oxygen he sucks out of the room, they will have to work hard to distinguish themselves and stand out. This will be a winnowing time, not a play-along-to-get-along moment.
Dana (86e864) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:42 pm#83
Gerald A (949d7d) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:42 pmCorrection he says his sister would make a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. He also said that “we will have to rule that out now, at least.”
speaking of chicago water this is kinda neat – that link has pics
here’s an article
happyfeet (831175) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:50 pmYou know downtown buildings are cooled in the summer by ice cold water stored in tunnels, right?
nk (dbc370) — 9/2/2015 @ 6:58 pmno i did not that’s neat
especially this week
happyfeet (831175) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:02 pmYes, your utterances about Limbaugh, at least, have made that latter point crystal clear.
I look forward to many more of your observations which, I’m sure, will also provide no reason to agree with you.
Steve57 (3b2e7d) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:05 pmCarly Fiorina — I learned from a transcript of an interview she had with Hugh Hewitt — is the daughter of the late Joseph T. Sneed, a Nixon appointee to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit who served from 1973 through his death in 2008.
Judge Sneed, like our host and I, got his law degree from the University of Texas School of Law; in his case, it was in 1947, and and he continued to teach at UT Law and practice law in Austin through 1957. A law school classmate and friend of mine landed a coveted judicial clerkship with him in 1980 — I had also applied to clerk for him myself, which I think was still pending when I accepted another clerkship. On the strength of Judge Sneed’s recommendation, my friend was then selected to clerk for Justice Rehnquist (for whom Judge Sneed was a regular “feeder judge”).
Judge Sneed’s reputation among both lawyers and judges was exceptional. As to how he decided cases, consider this, from his obituary:
This will strike some as a “political factoid,” but it actually explains quite a lot about her to me. I think it’s a feature, not a bug.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:07 pmWell, that’s interesting. It shows she was raised right.
DRJ (521990) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:15 pmMaybe it’s just me, but I found that story to be most heart-warming, Beldar.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:18 pmBy the way, there is a Sneed realty, in Austin, Tx. any connection?
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:21 pmI think it’s interesting for exactly that reason, yes, DRJ. I think — perhaps I hope — that the American voting public is once again tired of having a lawyer as President. They alternate between lawyers and non-lawyers about as regularly as Democrats and Republicans. But the daughter of a respected judge, herself from the world of business rather than law, would touch both of those traditional bases, wouldn’t it, in evaluating which candidates have a deep and strong working understanding of the Rule of Law?*
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*By “Rule of Law” just now, I meant “(other than the pro-debtor provisions permitting repeated filings under Chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code),” of which particular set of laws I think Trump can claim demonstrated mastery beyond any of the lawyer-candidates, even the brilliant Ted Cruz.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:23 pmFiorina gives Cruz a run for his money for the title of most effective communicator. Cruz still wins though.
I don’t think I ever heard Cruz say anything nice about Hillary. Trump and Fiorina both have.
Patterico (3cc0c1) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:23 pmI don’t disagree with any of that (#95), Patrick.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:29 pmBetter: I agree with all of that (#95), Patrick.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:29 pmFiorina is an elegant and concise speaker. While she doesn’t waste words and is blunt, it is with a noted refinement and passion. I like that she isn’t prone toward losing listeners to long-winded sweeping rhetoric.
Jonah Goldberg looks at the reasons for the political outsiders are reaching the voters:
“It is true, however, that there is something refreshing about the way Trump talks. It’s not actually candor, though lots of people mistake it for that. Rather, he’s unfiltered. The one thing you can be sure of is that he hasn’t consulted with a political consultant about how to talk. He doesn’t worry what the liberal editors at the New York Times or the Washington Post — or, for that matter, the conservative editors at National Review — think of him. . . . There are many reasons the non-politicians — Trump, Ben Carson, and Carly Fiorina — are doing so well, but near the top is the fact that they haven’t internalized the language of political consultants and pundits. They understand something the politicians have forgotten: Politics is about sales.”
Dana (86e864) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:46 pmHow about a comparison of business leadership and profit making between her and
Trump?
Bankruptcies are all on Trump, I believe. She has a good record considering the time. Tom Perkins is a guy I have huge respect for, not just in tech or politics but something far more important than either.
He built one of the world’s great sailboats. The Maltese Falcon.
I saw it in Venice and he was sailing it until he sold it to a European hedge fund guy. The asking was $25 million. It sold for 60 million Euros. Charter was $25 thousand a week. It’s now $400 thousand Euros a week. I never got aboard but walked by when it was at the dock.
He also had a gorgeous big powerboat named “Easterner” but now has another one.
Much more important than politics.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:48 pmMike K,
Just like Rubio’s luxury powerboat!
Dana (86e864) — 9/2/2015 @ 7:56 pmO.k. No connection with Sneed realty.
felipe (56556d) — 9/2/2015 @ 8:04 pmMore re Carly Fiorina’s late father, Judge Joseph T. Sneed:
As of the time that I was applying to U.S. Circuit Judges for judicial clerkships (1980), Judge Sneed had maintained, for a number of years, a pattern of selecting someone from Texas Law School almost every spring. Since his chambers were in San Francisco, and since he was reportedly very satisfying for his student clerks to work with, and since our school’s top grads had an inside track, he regularly got clerkship applications from a large handful of the very-best-qualified graduates from Texas Law School every year. Judge Sneed was also, independently of that, someone very consistently named by the UT Law profs whose recommendations I was considering in making my choices to whom to apply (pretty much regardless of said profs’ own ideology, which invariably was obvious).
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/2/2015 @ 8:38 pmI mostly ignore your posts, but I wanted to point this one out for its idiocy. Kudos.
As someone who longs for the days when their parents could disagree over politics while consuming copious Harvey Wallbangers, I’m a little disappointed in this comment, Mr. P. Surely, every candidate for high office, from Trump to Hillary! to Carly Fiorina have their strong suits.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 9/3/2015 @ 10:31 am