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8/10/2015

Romanticizing The Heinous

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:53 am



[guest post by Dana]

Susan Robinson was sitting on the patio of her Central Coast home, above golden hills and oak trees shimmering in the summer heat. She sipped homemade hibiscus tea as she patted the head of her mischievous border collie, Radar, and told me about the pride she takes in her work.

Thus Robin Abcarian pays homage to Dr. Susan Robinson and her “work” as one of the few third-trimester abortionists in the nation. The grandmotherly looking woman at the link appears to be a kind, happy soul who would welcome anyone with open arms. But if you are a baby in the womb and near full-term, she will welcome you with anything but. However, don’t be distracted by that ugly truth because she is doing a noble thing:

She is in the business of ending pregnancies, yes, but more important, she is in the business of helping women assert control over their own lives.

Abcarian’s manipulative presentation of Robinson willfully ignores, from beginning to end, the brass tacks of what it is that Robinson actually does. Tellingly, Robinson does not justify these third-trimester abortions as necessary to save the the life of a mother. There is no mention that the third-trimester baby being killed has had a 90% chance of survival outside of the mother’s body. Nor is it mentioned that in the third trimester abortion, the baby will feel pain as their fetal cranium is pierced with sharp scissors and their brain vacuum suctioned out. All of this, including the very humanity of the baby, is studiously avoided. Abcarian also neglects to ask the obvious of Robinson: Why not let these babies be born, given that they are nearly full-term? (How about, why not give them the same opportunity to live as Abcarian and Robinson had?)

Robinson is the do-gooder romanticizing the barbaric butchery that she takes pride in:

“There is no other field in medicine where people come to you so desperate,” she said, “and you can really help pretty much everyone who walks through the door.”

Of course, one must die a brutal death for another to be “helped.”

And Abcarian is all too willing to be a shill for this deception. It’s to be expected, given that she shares the same extremist views:

It is long past time to reclaim abortion as a social good, long past time pretending that it is a horrible tragedy for everyone who has one. One in three American women will have had an induced abortion in her lifetime. Women experience many emotions around the decision, but for most, it is a relief.

Robinson previously worked with George Tiller, the infamous third-trimester abortion doctor who was murdered in 2009:

“His murder changed things,” Robinson said. Tiller rarely gave interviews, insisting on keeping the focus on patients, and he instilled in Robinson the same ethic. But after he died, she decided to speak out.

“If you are secretive, you are sort of colluding in the stigma of abortion,” Robinson said. “Now when people ask what I do, I say, ‘My specialty is abortion care, and I love my job!’ “

“Abortion care.” Robinson is yet one more in a long line of butchers throughout history who also “loved” their “work.”

Abcarian defends Planned Parenthood and their extremist positions with the usual claptrap about reproductive rights, as well as defending the callousness of the industry. As it goes, it is necessary for Abcarian and Robinson to cling to the specific terminology which denies humanity and renders the possibility of such, null and void:

The most recent surreptitious video in the slow-drip campaign against Planned Parenthood shows a clinic technician identifying parts of an aborted fetus in a glass dish to anti-abortion activists posing as procurement agents for researchers.

Contrary to the orchestrated outrage, this was not a display of callousness. It was a straightforward clinical approach. How could a lab technician identify fetal tissue for medical research without examining it?

Such exams take place after every abortion, when what the medical profession calls the “products of conception” are examined to make sure the procedure was complete.

Moreover, Abcarian falsely asserts the political righteousness of the abortionists Tiller and Robinson:

As she did frequently during our conversation, Robinson recalled one of Tiller’s many mantras: “Women are spiritually, emotionally and intellectually capable of struggling with complex ethical issues and arriving at the correct decision for themselves and their families.”

Is there a single Republican running for president who could say that and mean it?

At the end of the tribute to third-trimester butchery, Robinson reads from a journal where patients have thanked her and offered encouragement to other women.

Abcarian tells readers that Robinson’s eyes filled with tears when she read the moving statements from patients whose babies were killed by her hand. No doubt the grandmotherly looking woman with the wide open smile and extremist views, killed with heartfelt hands of kindness.

–Dana

101 Responses to “Romanticizing The Heinous”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. The Daily Dog Trainer strikes again!

    On that last quote from Tiller and Robinson—Judge Roy Bean was spiritually, emotionally and intellectually capable of making the “correct decision” and hanging the criminals who appeared in front of him. I don’t think a little baby/clump of cells/human to be falls in the same category as those who appeared before Roy Bean.

    Comanche Voter (1d5c8b)

  3. Dr. Susan Robinson is a fetus between her 210th and 213th trimesters.

    CayleyGraph (dfcefe)

  4. shouldn’t “reproductive rights” cease once the woman has unprotected sex?
    i wonder what her commission on the body parts are.

    seeRpea (348a52)

  5. Thus Robin Abcarian pays homage to Dr. Susan Robinson

    Once again, the worst aspect of leftists like Abcarian and Robinson is they believe their philosophy imbues in them great compassion, warmth, love, generosity and humaneness. In reality, they’re so morally, ethically bankrupt — so idiotic and deluded — they’re actually no different from an Adolph Hitler, who is known to have expressed tears of emotion towards animals, undoubtedly perceiving that as a sign of his own great caring, kindness and sophistication.

    Mark (a467c8)

  6. Welp, I guess I shouldn’t try to do addition and multiplication this early in the morning. I should’ve said

    Dr. Susan Robinson is a fetus between her 279th and 282nd trimesters.

    I only do theoretical math, not applied math.

    CayleyGraph (dfcefe)

  7. Mark, I guarantee you’ll like this photo. Safe. http://imgur.com/Nlp2HK4

    nk (dbc370)

  8. Ruben Navarrette may be having a change of heart because of these videos, at his wife’s urging. How many more men and women are doing this, too?

    DRJ (1dff03)

  9. You can’t discern the difference between quotes from these abortionists and quotes from Jeffrey Dahmer.

    David Longfellow (8cba7a)

  10. Medical school graduate Susan Robinson is a demented monster who preys upon frightened, desperate women for money – and deludes herself into believing that murdering preborn infants who are beyond the point of viability is virtuous.

    Her completely twisted lack of morality is further demonstrated by her description of the PP technicians as “clinical” while sifting through the aborted victim’s remains looking for organs to sell. I imagine Mengele being similarly “clinical” while performing his medical experiments on Jewish children.

    Robinson has given herself over to absolute evil. She is deserving of nothing but disdain and derision so long as she continues her murderous acts.

    Pete (ceb4bf)

  11. Greetings:

    I think that the writer meant that Susan Robinson, M.D. “is in the business of helping women assert [secondary] control over their own lives.”

    11B40 (0f96be)

  12. National Socialists are spiritually, emotionally and intellectually capable of struggling with complex ethical issues and arriving at the correct decision for Jews and their families.

    edoc118 (963a62)

  13. “There is no other field in medicine where people come to you so desperate,” she said, “and you can really help pretty much everyone who walks through the door.”

    It is those who are carried through the door in a womb who will be pretty much killed.

    Jim (defd88)

  14. So please, tell me, why is it wrong for someone to take her out?

    I never understood the outrage some on the right exhibited over Tiller.

    Sorry but we are already a lawless country.

    I don’t see the argument of “respecting our laws” as being a reasonable argument to a civil society.

    Not with SCOTUS actually ignoring what is written and going to with “intent.” even with testimony that contradicts that intent. I can say it was never the intent of the SCOTUS in 1973 to allow late term abortions either ……

    Sorry, but until the Left lives in abject fear for home, money, life, personal freedom etc …. this will never end and will only get worse until society becomes a Darwinian Zoo. Sorry, really am.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9225a4)

  15. Apart from being wrong, which is no small thing, killing Dr Tiller energized the pro-choice movement and it obviously didn’t stop abortions. Exposing what abortionists do is far more effective if you want to change hearts and minds.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  16. Judging from the Doctors digs, murder (and probably sale of “parts”) pays quite well. Probably 2 Lambos in her garage

    Mike S. (f5d617)

  17. Some states have a law that if another person shoots or injures a pregnant woman and the unborn child dies, then that is murder. Yet, if a pregnant woman intentionally aborts her child within legally defined parameters, then that is not murder. I cannot reconcile these two situations.

    LTMG (94c4c3)

  18. Mr King’s Spirit wrote:

    So please, tell me, why is it wrong for someone to take her out?

    I never understood the outrage some on the right exhibited over Tiller.

    Well, I wasn’t outraged when “Dr” Tiller was sent to his eternal reward. I have said that we should use all legal means to ostracize anybody and everybody involved in the abortion industry, but that doesn’t mean I’m terribly upset when someone resorts to illegal means.

    “Dr” Tiller is burning in Hell right now, and “Dr” Robinson will be right beside him, though not soon enough.

    The Dana who thought it was a good thing (f6a568)

  19. DRJ wrote:

    Apart from being wrong, which is no small thing, killing Dr Tiller energized the pro-choice movement and it obviously didn’t stop abortions. Exposing what abortionists do is far more effective if you want to change hearts and minds.

    Well, it stopped the abortions that he would have performed!

    The Dana who looks at it differently (f6a568)

  20. border collies i love border collies

    mom and dad said you should never look down on somebody cause of their job or cause of where they live

    everybody’s gotta live somewhere dad would say

    third trimester abortions though

    i think there’s a lot of defects that don’t show up until then

    it’s such a tiny percent of all abortions I’m willing to give people the benefit of the doubt as to what the circumstances are

    happyfeet (7b1a9e)

  21. Women who had been prison guards in Nazi death camps laughed as they were led to the gallows by the Allies to be executed for their war crimes. They were very proud and fond of the work they had done killing people, too.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  22. I never understood the outrage some on the right exhibited over Tiller.

    I wasn’t outraged, Rodney. However, it takes a lot to get me outraged. I wouldn’t be outraged if Gosnell got whacked.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  23. Apart from being wrong, which is no small thing,

    Why was it wrong?

    killing Dr Tiller energized the pro-choice movement and it obviously didn’t stop abortions

    Shooting Dylann Roof wouldn’t have stopped murder in America, but it would have stopped those nine murders. Killing Tiller didn’t stop abortion in America, but it saved the lives of the babies he was going to kill. He was the only hit man in his area willing to take these particular contracts, and all efforts to stop him legally had failed.

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  24. When the stars threw down their spears,
    And water’d heaven with their tears,
    Did He smile His work to see?
    Did He who made the lamb make thee?

    nk (dbc370)

  25. Some states have a law that if another person shoots or injures a pregnant woman and the unborn child dies, then that is murder. Yet, if a pregnant woman intentionally aborts her child within legally defined parameters, then that is not murder. I cannot reconcile these two situations.

    LTMG (94c4c3)

    If you are truly confused, let me help. Those of us who live free of the influence of gods do not believe God creates life. We believe that a woman creates life. And as such, it is entirely her prerogative to not create life, regardless of her biological condition. I view what is in the womb as you would Schrodinger’s cat. Neither alive nor dead except by the whim of the ultimate authority in the situation, the individual woman.

    Conversely, no other person should have the right to decide for a woman if what is in her womb is alive. Forced sterilization is heinous. The forced abortions in China are heinous. killing a fetus that the mother has decided to take to full term is murder.

    I cannot speak for those who support God and abortions. Likely they put the rights of others above their own beliefs. Perhaps they pray for god to forgive the mother and the doctor, instead of being filled with hatred.

    moral (48c03f)

  26. Also, if memory serves, frequent commenter Mike K. has discussed performing a few abortions in his long career as a rational, law abiding doctor. I’m sure he appreciates those who believe his murder would be retroactively justified.

    moral (48c03f)

  27. Ed Gein comes to mind, when reading about these folks. The folks on the left have serious nazi tendencies.

    mg (31009b)

  28. All of that moralizing is off the point. Planned Parenthood is a criminal enterprise being provided cover by the rogue political party that benefits monetarily from PP crimes.

    How does a non profit, charging it’s victims just the operating costs, clear millions to buy politicians?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  29. Those of us who live free of the influence of gods do not believe God creates life. We believe that a woman creates life.

    One does not need to believe that God creates life to believe human life to be sacred and precious. Unfortunately what you stated is what makes atheists such good Nazi’s and commies. I’d like to point out that “a woman” does not create life. A man and a woman create life and the woman supports its development. It is still a separate entity even if you “live free of the influence blah, blah, blah.”

    I view what is in the womb as you would Schrodinger’s cat. Neither alive nor dead except by the whim of the ultimate authority in the situation, the individual woman.

    Really? You are contending that a growing baby is neither alive nor dead? Is that cognitive dissonance or willful denial? I believe if the baby is dead the body expels it in miscarriage. Similarly if its alive it expels it in birth. Neither option includes abortion or killing yet both end the pregnancy. Schrodinger’s cat may, or may not be rolling in its grave.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  30. The silver lining is that the Dog Trainer readers’ comments on Abcarain’s morally empty column seem to be largely disagreeing with her thesis that doctors like Susan Robinson are contributing to the good of society. As DRJ mentions with respect to Ruben Naverette, even some pro-choice liberals are having a hard time justifying the callousness and obstinacy with which some of their cohorts defend every single abortion.

    JVW (aa050c)

  31. And friends, let’s not expend any ideological energy in justifying even slightly the murder of Dr. Tiller. As conservatives we should be consistent in our belief that everyone is entitled to due process in a court of law. Vigilantism is not a conservative value.

    JVW (aa050c)

  32. While reasing this, I found myself wondering if Robin’s last name was originally Aborticarian ?

    Alastor (2e7f9f)

  33. The problem I have with democrat candidates is they won’t give post natal abortions to conservatives.

    not sambo (a829e1)

  34. If a liberal saw a pregnant woman smoking a cigarette while nursing a drink at the bar, they’d forget all about a woman’s right to choose. Pro choice would go right out the window, replaced with social approbation and “in your face” moralizing.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  35. And friends, let’s not expend any ideological energy in justifying even slightly the murder of Dr. Tiller. As conservatives we should be consistent in our belief that everyone is entitled to due process in a court of law.

    Oh, so that Garland policeman should not have shot Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi, and Jeanne Assam should not have shot Matthew Murray. And if any armed person saw Dylann Roof they were right to leave him alone.

    Vigilantism is not a conservative value.

    Isn’t it? The Vigilance Committees should have just let criminals steal, rape, and kill to their hearts content, rather than doing anything about it?

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  36. Oh, so that Garland policeman should not have shot Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi, and Jeanne Assam should not have shot Matthew Murray. And if any armed person saw Dylann Roof they were right to leave him alone.

    So, Milhouse, George Tiller was in the process of committing a crime as he was attending his local church services on May 31, 2009?

    JVW (ba78f9)

  37. And, by your logic, Scott Roeder was acting under color of law? I mean, really?

    JVW (ba78f9)

  38. The hero’s of 9/11 should have sat back and enjoyed the ride?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  39. So, Milhouse, George Tiller was in the process of committing a crime as he was attending his local church services on May 31, 2009?

    So a gunman needs to be at that very moment in the process of firing his gun before one may stop him?! If he takes a break, whether to reload, look for his next target, or to have a smoke, he becomes immune until his finger next touches the trigger?! There is no doubt at all that, had Tiller not been stopped, he was going to murder many babies, and that he could not be stopped in any other way than by shooting him. What difference does it make whether he was at that very moment in the process of murdering them? His would-be victims are alive now, and would be dead had he not been shot. Surely that is all that matters.

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  40. 33.The problem I have with democrat candidates is they won’t give post natal abortions to conservatives.

    I’m sure many of them would sambo. Guys like you perhaps. Wouldn’t you just love to have that power? Who would you abort (read murder) first? The conservatives, then who? The whites? The Christians? The straights? Never mind, I’m sure you’d get around to everyone.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  41. What difference does it make ….

    Nice touch, Milhouse! I could almost hear the Hillary! cackle.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  42. Milhouse – should the patients entering the abortion clinics be shot to death as well, to prevent their roll in the murder you say they are about to collude in?

    moral (48c03f)

  43. Ever notice that all the people that are for abortion, have already been born? Hmmmmmmmmmm?

    Yoda (7d462a)

  44. Hope they have to listen to the screams of all aborted babies for all eternity while burning in Hell!

    Yoda (7d462a)

  45. Milhouse has given quite the ironic turn to the title of this thread.

    moral (48c03f)

  46. should the patients entering the abortion clinics be shot to death as well, to prevent their roll in the murder you say they are about to collude in?

    Would that save their victims’ lives?

    Scott Roeder was justified by the exact same principle that justifies abortion to save the mother’s life. If he was wrong to shoot Tiller, then it is wrong to kill a baby that will otherwise kill its mother.

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  47. 39. …So a gunman needs to be at that very moment in the process of firing his gun before one may stop him?! If he takes a break, whether to reload, look for his next target, or to have a smoke, he becomes immune until his finger next touches the trigger?!

    ….What difference does it make whether he was at that very moment in the process of murdering them? His would-be victims are alive now, and would be dead had he not been shot. Surely that is all that matters…

    Milhouse (a04cc3) — 8/10/2015 @ 1:23 pm

    The gunman knows what he knows. His knowledge may be imperfect. If he thinks he’s acting to prevent an atrocity then he’s justified even if later he’s proven wrong.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  48. If the gunman thinks he knows, at the time, that his action is justified by military necessity than that action can not be judged to be wrong.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  49. If he thinks he’s acting to prevent an atrocity then he’s justified even if later he’s proven wrong.

    But JVW seems to think the atrocity must be happening at that very moment; if the finger is not yet squeezing the trigger one must sit back and wait until it is, even if by then it will be too late to stop him.

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  50. Steve, what has imperfect knowledge got to do with this case? In this case nobody claims that Roeder got his facts wrong, that he did not in fact save many innocent lives; JVW’s entire claim seems to be that one may not use force to prevent any future murder, no matter how certain it is to happen.

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  51. Also, Steve, it’s a bit confusing to use the word “gunman” for both the would-be murderer and the rescuer who prevents the murder.

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  52. Would kidnapping these evil patients be justifiable then? Snatch them from the threshold of the clinic, hold them in a cave with chains and manacles to prevent them from doing anything to hurt the child within? Surely kidnapping is a lesser sin than murder, so by your moral authority this should be alright?

    moral (48c03f)

  53. Props to my Krav Maga instructors.

    I’ve been beaten up by more Joooos than Fatah.

    And I paid for the privilege.

    Having been cold cocked by a sufficient number of Israelis, I believe I’m entitled to opine on the situation.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  54. 51. Also, Steve, it’s a bit confusing to use the word “gunman” for both the would-be murderer and the rescuer who prevents the murder.

    Milhouse (a04cc3) — 8/10/2015 @ 1:48 pm

    Yes. So stop.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  55. Both the murderer and the rescuer used the same tool.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  56. Hey moral, is the only way you can justify the murder of innocent babies by going all absurd on us? Or is there actually a way, short of accusing everybody and anybody who ever kills anyone for any reason, you can condone killing little tiny defenseless babies? Oh, I know. Maybe we should “snatch” them from their homes as they leave for the clinic. Or blow up their car in the driveway. Or hold their parents hostage. Or poison their water.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  57. How is is possible to misspell the name Mengele so badly?

    Richard Mahler (83fd93)

  58. The justification for murdering doctors who perform legal abortions for willing patients is a more absurdest scenario than I am capable of. If that is a representation of your beliefs, mockery is all you deserve.

    moral (48c03f)

  59. The justification for killing hit men who perform murders for willing clients…

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  60. The law should take care of hit men and abortionists in a civil society, not individual avengers. Otherwise, anyone with a grudge or a mental illness could justify doing the same.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  61. The law should take care of hit men and abortionists in a civil society, not individual avengers.

    And if it can’t or won’t? The law should have protected Dylann Roof’s victims, but if you’d been there and armed, with a chance to stop him, should you have held your hand just because you’re not the law?!

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  62. In any case, DRJ, it is a fundamental principle of law that any person may act in defense of himself or others, using the minimum force necessary, but no less.

    Milhouse (a04cc3)

  63. Arguing for murdering abortionists is sinking to their level of depravity. One can hold an abortionist in utter contempt without resorting to the evil of murdering them. Killing an abortionist merely plays into the hands of the abortionists by setting them up as victims.

    Refuse to do business with anyone who commits abortion, or supports the slaughter of humans at the fetal stage of developmemt. Work to end abortion legally. Do not resort to justifying committing murder to stop murder.

    Pete (6d94b7)

  64. Such exams take place after every abortion, when what the medical profession calls the “products of conception” are examined to make sure the procedure was complete.

    If it’s a “blob of cells,” you have no way of telling whether or not the procedure is complete: it’s just a blob that is smaller than it should be, and you have no way of knowing that. The only reason why examining the post-abortive “products of conception” tells you if the procedure is complete is precisely because those “products of conception” are miniature humans.

    bridget (1deba5)

  65. Er… last clause of first sentence should say “you have no way of knowing exactly what size blob of cells it should be.”

    bridget (1deba5)

  66. We are no longer a civil society. Our laws don’t matter any more. Might makes right. All the living room outrage at the TV is misplaced. Until the left fears for its survival on the most primal of levels we will continue down this evil path. It is not the majority that wins but the most vocal. Only by meeting their intensity and self-righteous anger in the marketplace will the vocal minority (the Left) take its place in the shadows, where they belong. They deserve every bit of bad and no quarter should be given. Stop giving them money, stop telling them they are mis-guided but good, stop giving them help to implement their ideas of “fairness,” start undermining their institutions as they have. That is all good folks.

    So you wanna know why Trump the Clown is winning …. it is for these reasons. Our Society is broken. And he would triple his support if he were not such jockish locker room clown. There are at least 100 million of me in this Country and growing.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9225a4)

  67. The rules regarding defense of others are essentially the same as the right of self-defense, and are not the same in every jurisdiction. They generally authorize people to use force to protect one’s own life or the lives of others.

    The threat must be immediate, so killing someone who poses no threat at that moment is not justified. In addition, the threat must be reasonable. As upsetting as it may be to see babies killed in abortions, abortion is legal so I doubt one could successfully argue the abortionist posed a threat and/or justify killing him. If so, then any doctor that performs an abortion would be at risk — even the ones who are performing the procedure in order to save the mother’s life.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  68. you can’t let your job define who you are

    it’s just not healthy

    happyfeet (5546fb)

  69. Trump is winning because he’s smart, and so are the American people. He’s smart enough to say that Hillary came to his wedding because he gave her hefty campaign donations — thus feeding the narrative that she’s for sale. She rarely (if ever) responds to attacks, but Hillary has had to respond to Trump’s attack by claiming she went to his wedding because it was “fun.”

    Trump hit a nerve that hurt. Hillary knows it and the American people instinctively know he’s making a difference. The other candidates need to take lessons.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  70. But JVW seems to think the atrocity must be happening at that very moment; if the finger is not yet squeezing the trigger one must sit back and wait until it is, even if by then it will be too late to stop him.

    The legal standard is that the threat must be immediate. That doesn’t mean the finger has to be squeezing the trigger, but it certainly has to be a threat that is more immediate than future actions.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  71. Trump is not winning he’s just ahead of a very large field

    he’s the lowest common denominator and hence has the greatest appeal to your more bigoted and stupid republican base people who fancy manhattantrash reality tv stars with euroslut wives and hairpieces

    republicans god what a mess lol

    happyfeet (5546fb)

  72. Trump is winning b/c he is showing disgust at the very people we are disgusted with.

    The rest of the analysis is pure BS.

    But as the candidates drop off a NON TRUMP candidate will take all those votes.

    Another way of looking at it is Trump is a fully valued stock where all good information is out to be seen.

    The other Candidates, not so much.

    Watch and learn.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9225a4)

  73. “My specialty is abortion care, and I love my job!”

    That’s not a job, that’s an indictment.

    jakee308 (c37f85)

  74. But JVW seems to think the atrocity must be happening at that very moment; if the finger is not yet squeezing the trigger one must sit back and wait until it is, even if by then it will be too late to stop him.

    Nope, your example of waiting until someone has reloaded before engaging them is so off the wall that it is almost not worth responding to.

    Seriously, man, do you not see the difference between bursting into an abortion clinic to physically prevent the doctor from carrying out his objective and summarily executing him as he sits in church? Is your sense of justice (legal or moral) really that warped? By your logic anybody is justified in assassinating Obama during a public appearance because the next drone strike he orders might inadvertently kill innocent children along with bona fide terrorists.

    As awful as his actions were, George Tiller’s late-term abortions were sadly protected by law. You can argue all you want that killing him served a larger good, but I’ll be dammed if I’ll endorse letting citizen vigilantes make that determination on their own and then shrugging it off after the fact. Again, how any conservative could countenance this extrajudicial behavior is beyond me. We might as well join the leftists and applaud Obama’s belief that he isn’t constrained by something as frivolous and archaic as the Constitution, just because we may want a conservative President to do the same down the road.

    JVW (ba78f9)

  75. You mean the way abortion appeals to stupid people who put sex first and babies’ lives second?

    DRJ (1dff03)

  76. even the ones who are performing the procedure in order to save the mother’s life.
    DRJ (1dff03) — 8/10/2015 @ 2:53 pm

    An abortion that is not! Removal of part of the tube in an ectopic pregnancy to save the life of the mother is not done in order to kill a baby, but to save a life, and the baby’s death is regrettable and usually devastates the parents.. No abortion is ever required to save the life of the mother. Practices to save the life of the mother are not classed as abortions. Abortion has one and only one purpose, to kill a baby in the womb.

    Yoda (7d462a)

  77. He’s smart enough to say that Hillary came to his wedding because he gave her hefty campaign donations — thus feeding the narrative that she’s for sale.

    Don’t you just wish one of the Republicans might point out that Hillary! came to his wedding, but Trump is the one who invited her?

    JVW (ba78f9)

  78. The only way you could kill an abortionist in their church as JVW describes is if you don’t value your own life, because the result will be life in prison at best, death in a hail of returned gunfire as a down side.

    If you don’t value your own existence, what’s the point?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  79. bridget, I admire the cut of your jib

    Long may your big jib blow, chica.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  80. http://www.shakariconnection.com/african-hunter-shot-placement.html

    I’m not standing up for the dentist, who I think is ahh, uhh, euphemism for you know what.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  81. Yoda:

    No abortion is ever required to save the life of the mother.

    I think that maternal mental health is often used/abused to justify abortions. I also think abortions to preserve the mother’s life are rare, and getting rarer as medicine and science improve. But, unlike these doctors with whom I assume you agree, I think there can be a medical reason that requires an abortion to save the life of the mother.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  82. abortion is NOT appealing it’s icky

    freedom is appealing and i like it when people make their own decisions not the government

    a government what can regulate your uterus can regulate everything

    EVERYTHING

    “This moment in time,” she said

    “It doesn’t belong to you,” she said

    “It belongs to me

    and to your little boy and to your little girl,

    And the one hand clapping..

    where on your palm is my little line,

    when you’re written in mine

    as an old memory?”

    happyfeet (5546fb)

  83. Yoda,

    In fairness, I concede you make a good point. If I were in charge of the world, I might be tempted to make a rule that there can be no abortions. The justification for abortion has been so abused that perhaps we should err on the side of life. But we live in an imperfect world, and making all abortions illegal seems just as senseless to me as making all abortions legal.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  84. 81. …But, unlike these doctors with whom I assume you agree, I think there can be a medical reason that requires an abortion to save the life of the mother.

    DRJ (1dff03) — 8/10/2015 @ 3:41 pm

    I only want to weigh in to say it hurts just as much if you thought you were going to be the dad.

    Steve57 (5a07a9)

  85. I also think abortions to preserve the mother’s life are rare, and getting rarer as medicine and science improve. But, unlike these doctors with whom I assume you agree, I think there can be a medical reason that requires an abortion to save the life of the mother.

    Back in the mid-90s, my dad was asked by the doctors delivering my sister which he would want – his wife or his child – if they could save only one.

    I’m a lawyer, not a doctor, but I presume that when actual ER and OB-GYN surgeons ask a father that question, it’s because their medical expertise informs them that such choices may need to be made.

    bridget (1deba5)

  86. But, unlike these doctors with whom I assume you agree, I think there can be a medical reason that requires an abortion to save the life of the mother.
    DRJ (1dff03) — 8/10/2015 @ 3:41 pm

    Read what they stand for. An abortion is never required to save the life of the mother, never, never, never. A procedure to save a mother’s life, that results regrettably in the baby dying because of the procedure is not an abortion, and it is not called an abortion by the REAL doctor that performs the procedure. However, an abortion always, and I do mean always, has but one purpose. That is to kill a baby, not save the life of anyone. The left uses this crap of “to save the life of the mother” to hoodwink the public in order to preserve the right to kill babies in the womb.

    noun
    1.
    Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.
    2.
    any of various surgical methods for terminating a pregnancy, especially during the first six months.

    Some might say this is only semantics, but it is virtually the same as the difference between self defense and murder.

    Yoda (7d462a)

  87. A question. If one has an ectopic pregnancy, who does one go to? An abortionist (I refuse to call these butchers, Doctor), or a licensed OB-GYN surgeon?

    Yoda (7d462a)

  88. One deals in death, the other deals in life!

    Yoda (7d462a)

  89. Goebbels smiles in Hell.

    NJRob (2cbf9c)

  90. My… the courage on display just overwhelms a person. Butcher’s aprons, long knives and pride in a job well done.

    Pride goeth before the Maserati.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. re #8: In his article, he writes

    that is getting harder to do with the release of what are now five gruesome, albeit edited, undercover videos by The Center for Medical Progress depicting doctors and other top officials of Planned Parenthood discussing, and even laughing about, the harvesting of baby organs

    the planting of the disclaimer that the videos are edited really annoy me. You don’t like the fact that the videos are edited? Then stop being lazy and/or dishonest and watch the raw videos.
    imho, Navarrette and his ilk are not being sincere.

    seeRpea (348a52)

  92. Conversely, no other person should have the right to decide for a woman if what is in her womb is alive.

    You had better be a pretty devout, consistent libertarian because the government, or Big Brother, is already demanding that our body be charged to cover its healthcare costs, that our body be prevented from inhaling tobacco smoke in many instances, that our body be prevented in consuming alcohol (much less narcotics) in various situations, that our body be forced to receive vaccinations (certainly if we’re minors and based in California), that our body be prevented from getting tattoos (per the law for minors in various states) or not allowed to be exposed to tanning equipment (again, if we’re minors and based in California).

    The government loves sticking its big nose into the affairs of the human body, and not even whether such intrusiveness may or may not result in the death of another innocent life.

    The left in particular loves using the public sector as Big Nanny to tell us what we should or shouldn’t do with our bodies. So why that same crowd suddenly responds with “hands off!” when it comes to a fetus in the womb — even in the third trimester — is a case of two-faced BS.

    Mark (9abec5)

  93. Ya wanna end abortion? Grant the fetus a vote to be cast by the pregnant mother. The Left won’t have to import foreign voters, they’ll have the fetus vote locked up.

    ropelight (597c86)

  94. Mark wrote:

    Conversely, no other person should have the right to decide for a woman if what is in her womb is alive.

    You had better be a pretty devout, consistent libertarian because the government, or Big Brother, is already demanding that our body be charged to cover its healthcare costs, that our body be prevented from inhaling tobacco smoke in many instances, that our body be prevented in consuming alcohol (much less narcotics) in various situations, that our body be forced to receive vaccinations (certainly if we’re minors and based in California), that our body be prevented from getting tattoos (per the law for minors in various states) or not allowed to be exposed to tanning equipment (again, if we’re minors and based in California).

    I am utterly infuriated that I got a ticket Sunday nine days ago by a complete asshole park warden for not having a life jacket in my kayak. He ruined a perfectly good Sunday, and it shouldn’t be any of the state’s fornicating business whether I fall overboard and drown.

    Of course, he had a sidearm and is, effectively, no different than a state policeman, so there is nothing I can do about it other than wish he has a traffic accident and suffers third degree burns over half of his body.

    The state sticks its fornicating nose into everything except the womb.

    The infuriated Dana (f6a568)

  95. If a liberal saw a pregnant woman smoking a cigarette while nursing a drink at the bar, they’d forget all about a woman’s right to choose. Pro choice would go right out the window, replaced with social approbation and “in your face” moralizing.
    papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/10/2015 @ 1:08 pm

    Would be interesting to see the effect upon further moralizing if said pregnant woman responded by saying “It’s OK, I’ve scheduled an abortion tomorrow”

    Angelo (4b203a)

  96. Dana, it is a strange world we live in. My brother in Orange County sent me this.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/judge-657101-kelly-sentence.html

    Dr. K. might be able to comment, since he is local.

    But it’s tough for me to read this. What kind of world is this?

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  97. Many girls want to look good wearing bikinis during the summer. Sometimes, some of them end up pregnant and thus would have a baby bump that would keep them from looking good in a bikini. That is the reason for Dr. Robinson’s services.

    Michael Ejercito (d74b61)

  98. Romanticizing The Heinous

    Sexist. In this case, it’s clearly “Romanticizing the Sheinous“….

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  99. One in three American women will have had an induced abortion in her lifetime.

    Howe the f*** do they come up with this figure? I’m betting they simply divide the number of women by the number of abortions, and act like there’s no women who get many multiples because they’re skanky hoes too stupid to use contraception…

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  100. Dana, it is a strange world we live in. My brother in Orange County sent me this.
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/judge-657101-kelly-sentence.html

    Well, Whoopi Goldberg can explain this… it clearly wasn’t “rape rape”.

    I mean, it’s not like the 3yo said “no” or anything…

    ===================

    No, duh, I’m not serious. I share your general disgust with all things California.

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)


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