Because Nothing Says ‘Protecting Her Honor’ Like A Father Letting His Own Daughter Drown
[guest post by Dana]
A despicable bastard fought to let his daughter drown rather than have strange men make physical contact with her to save her life:
Speaking to Emirates 24|7, Lt. Col Ahmed Burqibah, Deputy Director of Dubai Police’s Search and Rescue Department said that this incident took place at a beach in Dubai.
“This is one of the incidents which I cannot forget.
“It shocked me and many others who were involved in the case.
“The *Asian father took his wife and kids to the beach for picnic and fun.
“The kids were swimming in the beach when suddenly, the 20-year-old girl started drowning and screaming for help.
“Two rescue men were at the beach, and they rushed to help the girl.
“However, there was one obstacle which prevented them from reaching the girl and helping her.
“This obstacle was the belief of this Asian man who considered that if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonour her. It cost him the life of his daughter.”
Lt. Col. Burqibah added that the father of the girl did not want the rescue men to touch his daughter as they were strange men.
“The father was a tall and strong man. He started pulling and preventing the rescue men and got violent with them. He told them that he prefers his daughter being dead than being touched by a strange man.”
He pointed out that this delay and fight with the girl’s father cost the girl her life. She drowned.
“She died unfortunately, at a time when she had a chance to live, especially that the rescue men were so close to her to pull her out of the water.”
So horrible, and so pointless. A young woman, struggling to remain afloat and stay alive, sees her strong and fit father condemn her to certain death as he prevents her would-be rescuers from reaching her. In the name of honor. In the name of madness.
If that wasn’t enough, he made sure she knew, in her last moments of life, just how irrelevant she was as he remained safely on shore without any surging power of parental love compelling him to risk his own life in an effort to save hers. The man she knew as father did not crash through the surf and push with all his might against the waves in a Herculean effort to reach her in time. She was alone.
If this madness is what protecting the honor of one’s own flesh and blood supposedly looks like, what a ghastly lie with which to deceive oneself. And what an ever more ghastly thing with which to condemn others. It is not born of love, but rather it comes from the vilest roots of a deadened heart. There is no mercy, no compassion, no kindness, just darkness. And in its hold is not even the most basic response of human nature, wherein a man is compelled to at least try and rescue those in danger, because in that very moment he recognizes that life itself demands it.
[link added –Ed.]
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 8/10/2015 @ 11:24 pmAsian, huh? So I guess those damn Buddhists are sentencing their daughters to death rather than let them be touched by nonbelievers. Not too Zen of them, I daresay.
JVW (ba78f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 12:41 amWas the man (and i use the term loosely) arrested?
seeRpea (348a52) — 8/11/2015 @ 1:46 amBarbaric bastard.
mg (31009b) — 8/11/2015 @ 2:51 amIn a sane world, this “father” would be shot. For over one billion muslims, he is “understood”. Welcome to the 9th Century.
Roman (24c8f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:18 amWhat a loathsome animal and embarrassment to the human race. This must be the kind of whack job that the most radical feminists think most men are.
If there’s any justice in this world, he’ll be punished for this. Personally, I propose that he be sentenced to parachuting out of an airplane into the middle of the ocean. And if by some chance he makes it back to the mainland, repeat the process.
tops116 (d094f8) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:34 amWhy wouldn’t the father himself have tried to rescue his daughter? Him touching her would not have violated any honor codes, and any actual man would have been so caught up in trying to rescue his daughter that he wouldn’t have had time to think about any honor violations if another man helped.
For some reason, this male — he wasn’t a man — wanted his daughter dead.
The Dana who wonders if there is more to the story (f6a568) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:55 amInconceivable.
JD (1dfdde) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:03 amIf a general nuclear war kicked off between Israel and middle eastern Islamic nations, I’d mourn for every Jewish life lost. That is all.
Mr Black (f1b3a7) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:14 amHe’s been arrested. They can be very interesting in the Dubai courts.. this is more common unfortunately, many of the rescue services are. Non Muslim expatriates, stories of life saving medical attention being withheld are not reported as much either, with the growing. ChristIna and Jewish population, the Arabs are having to come to the realization that their dominance is waning
Epwj (4df1f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:21 amoh no no no it was too cold always
(still the dead girl lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
and not waving but drowning
happyfeet (5546fb) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:44 amMany of our current difficulties are directly a result of taking an insane, barbaric death cult and treating it as if it were a religion.
Estragon (ada867) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:48 amThe father should now be beheaded for bringing infamy on Islam. It was all his fault for allowing his daughter to bathe in a public place in the presence and in the gaze of strange men, in the first place.
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:12 amIn 2002, a school in Makkah, Saudi Arabia burned down. This was a girls’ school. Fifteen girls lost their lives, not due to lack of firefighting competence or personnel, but because the muttawa (religious police) interfered, refusing to let the firefighters enter or the girls to leave because the girls were ‘uncovered’.
There is something inherently damaged about these people, damaged in ways that would make a sub-Saharan African tribesman — the kind who is still impressed by lightbulbs — say ‘You know, you’re not civilized worth a shit!’
Toastrider (4c0340) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:30 amI read that the father was arrested and charged – for attacking the lifeguards.
Further, consider that it is very likely the daughter was not wearing a bathing suit, but instead was wearing a chador or her clothes, both of which would weigh her down. Certainly she was not wearing a typical bathing suit.
Dana (86e864) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:58 amHow many guys does it take to get Dad tangled up so he can’t do anything about other guys trying to save the woman? One. Those lifeguards were too damn’ nice.
Richard Aubrey (f6d8de) — 8/11/2015 @ 6:09 ammy guess is her life was a big pile of suck anyways with an arranged marriage to look forward to plus twice-weekly beatings, sexual degradation, limited employment opportunities and little or no time for pets or hobbies
happyfeet (a037ad) — 8/11/2015 @ 6:14 amHere, distilled to its essence, are the ethics of Islam on full display.
David Longfellow (8cba7a) — 8/11/2015 @ 6:23 amSorry, Mr. Longfellow, but you mean the essence of Asian ethics. No where in this article is the word islam mentioned.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 6:28 amYeah, this would not have happened in Albania, Bosnia, Northern Cyprus, or even most of Turkey. It was a camel-molesting Pakistani, that’s who the Brits call “Asian”.
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 6:32 amI prefer the Japanese view. You don’t willingly live under same skyy as your father died under.
A samurai killed Shinobu’s father. Shinobu and her sister
challenged him to a duel. They found a ronin to teach them.
Legend has it, as legend’s always do.
But not without truth.
The naginata is known as the woman’s spear for a reason.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 6:50 amBut soon it could happen in: Detroit, DC, Cedar Rapids, Philly, NYC, Atlanta, Peoria, Frisco, Houston and Chicago. These are the top ten US cities in moslem population. Looks like mohammad is coming to the mountain after all. Lucky us.
BTW, why on earth Peoria?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:00 amThe Japanese woman’s knife is the kaiken. It was
basically equivalent to the man’s side sword, the wakizashi.
An internet search didn’t turn up much on Shinobu. Sorry.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:04 amShe should be remembered.
Pre-occupation, Japanese women would have considered Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan hotbeds of radical feminism. Japanese women were chattels to be sold, mortgaged, and attached for the payment of debts, of their senior male relative, or the male relative’s superior. Among other things.
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:14 amThe Imam Barack Hussein Hoagie asked:
They wanted to work at Caterpillar.
The economist Dana (f6a568) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:14 amThe kwaiken is a tanto variant, similar to the aiguchi, a tanto without a guard.
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:16 amWhat “pre-occupation” are you referring to, nk?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:19 amPre our occupation from 1945 to 1952, Hoagie. We brought civilization to Japan.
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:22 amWe brought Westernization to Japan. They were already civilized.
BTW, my wife arrived from Beijing to Seoul Sunday. I’m being hit with pictures all over the place. Thank God for Kakao the texts, pix and calls are free.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:28 amSteve, maybe it was a nom de guerre?
(From Wikipedia)
kishnevi (294553) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:30 amIt was all his fault for allowing his daughter to bathe in a public place in the presence and in the gaze of strange men, in the first place.
There is a story from the Iranian revolution period about two daughters of a family who lived in a walled compound. The daughters were swimming in western style bathing suits. Several revolutionary types were on the roof of a high rise in Tehran with a telescope and watched the girls swimming, then went down and arrested them for indecency. I believe they were executed.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:35 amI used Skype while the daughter was in Greece but I uninstalled it now that she’s back because it was driving svchost crazy even when it was not running, eating up half the CPU capacity and 300 megs of memory on Windows 7 64-bit. Does anybody else have the same problems with it?
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:38 amI was going for Skype but one of the Korean kids put Kakao on so I use that. Seems good.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:44 amSkype is the devil.
The computer illiterate Dana (f6a568) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:57 amLook, some Cultures are simply much better than others. There is a reason these Countries never advanced …. same token, Culture is the reason our Country is regressing.
Rodney King's Spirit (9225a4) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:03 amThey call them SW Asians in the Great Britain news whenever there is some form of Muslim outrage event in the UK. which is code for Pakistani.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say the Muslim immigration experiment is a failure.
Dubai needs more lifeguards like the one from Venice Pier who knocked an idiot out.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lifeguard-attack-venice-20150731-story.html
steveg (fed1c9) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:29 amAu contraire, steveg. It’s doing exactly what the moslems planned it to do.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:35 amYeah, this would not have happened in Albania, Bosnia, Northern Cyprus, or even most of Turkey. It was a camel-molesting Pakistani, that’s who the Brits call “Asian”.
After my outrage subsided by inner nastiness took over and my next thought was that there is some first cousin in Pakistan who just lost his future bride.
JVW (ba78f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:35 amSeems to me Rodney, we are regressing away from culture, our culture. See, under PC rules and regulations all cultures are equally good and none should be given preferential treatment. So our culture which designed a system where the power lies with the people rather than a king, that used capitalism to raise the standards for the poor and rich, that used industry and technology to better billions of lives is no better than those tribes who “click” at each other or moslems who watch their daughters drown.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:42 amhy wouldn’t the father himself have tried to rescue his daughter? Him touching her would not have violated any honor codes, and any actual man would have been so caught up in trying to rescue his daughter that he wouldn’t have had time to think about any honor violations if another man helped.
You may be on to something, Dana, but my guess is that the guy didn’t know how to swim. It also sounds like the lifeguards were curiously passive. I can get having to deal with a guy bigger than you are, but the guy would have have been able to fend off two or three lifeguards rushing into the ocean. At best he might have stopped one or possibly two. I’m an ex-lifeguard, and it boggles the mind that you would just stand there and allow yourself to be prevented from reaching the victim.
JVW (ba78f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:44 amJVW wrote:
All that the lifeguards had to do was get fifteen feet apart from each other, and the “father” could not have intercepted them both, but it sounds like they didn’t think of it.
The Dana who's been in a fight or two . . . not that he always won (f6a568) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:49 amThe Lifeguards should be terminated and charged with manslaughter.
Two idiots sitting around respecting some morons wishes while a kid drowns is criminal.
Rodney King's Spirit (9225a4) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:54 amThe burquini, courtesy of Big Lizards.
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 9:01 amwow, big lizards , talk about a blast from the past.
this is still a classic , http://biglizards.net/Graphics/ForegroundPix/Forward.jpg though we are past that point and in the drain.
this OP story does show how two extreme points of religion can come to the same disregard for humanity. PlannedParenthood and ultra-Muslim types in recent news.
seeRpea (348a52) — 8/11/2015 @ 9:13 amApparently this is the new TruSpeak. Calling Muslim men ASIANS because somehow
mideastern refugees or immigrants are ASIAN.
Can the media ever be so transparent? Especially when they think they’re hiding
what they’re true agenda is?
Somehow they think that our anger and fear towards mideaster men will go away
if they label them ASIANS?
If I was Chinese or Japanese or any other genuine oriental race or ethnicity,
jakee308 (c37f85) — 8/11/2015 @ 9:27 amI’d sue.
I’m amused, jakee308. My wife is South Korean and I thought she was an Asian. I lovingly call her my “ornamental”. I guess since she’s Buddhist she doesn’t count. Right now she’s in Seoul, just in from Beijing. Supposed to be home Sunday. Korean Air flight 85 to JFK. Can’t wait.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 9:54 amnk, you find stuff I never knew existed. Wow! Big Lizards indeed. I love it.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 9:55 amDafydd used to be a regular commenter, here. He was also married to an “ornamental” lady the last I read.
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:05 amI finally understand something I heard as a child. “Some people, they just need killing.” In this case, shackle his feet to a ton weight so his armpits are above the water at low tide and wait. Retrieve the skeleton after a year, incinerate it, and scatter the ashes in an unknown place.
htom (4ca1fa) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:20 amAt the risk of sounding jaded…. Moslems have been at war with us for how long? They’re always burning flags and yelling “Death to America”. They’re perpetually outraged at everything Western. So this clown kills his daughter. That’s one less moslem. We win. She was a breeder and may have had a litter of little moslemettes. Another win for us. We should be paying these guys. If it’s okay for the feds to pay Planned Parenthood to kill little black babies like Sanger wanted why not pay for these guys to whack each other?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:32 amWhy yes, that does sound a tad jaded.
Leviticus (f9a067) — 8/11/2015 @ 11:25 amThe leftists embrace the culture and condemn rightwing for the lack of tolerance of other cultures.
Not paying for free birth control is the real war on women
Joe (debac0) — 8/11/2015 @ 11:36 amAbout 50 times more Americans have been killed by Buddhists than by Muslims.
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 11:49 amThat many again by Lutherans.
All within living memory.
We can quibble that some of the Buddhists were Shintoists or atheist Communists, and that some of the Lutherans were Catholics or some other kind of Protestants, and what difference would it make?
category error, NK, they killed because they were Buddhists or some other motivator, and Shinto is like a whole other religion, if memory serves,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/11/2015 @ 11:52 amIt was an after birth abortion in the 81st trimester.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/11/2015 @ 11:59 amSomethings wrong with that math.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/11/2015 @ 12:01 pmIt makes all the difference in the world. You just can’t start plugging in new names to suit your argument unless you’re a leftist plugging in Asian for moslem or secular for heathen or Caitlyn for Bruce. Then it’s okay.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 12:35 pmkishnevi @29, I never knew that. Thanks.
I wish I could find the details of the story of the tale of Shinobu. As I recall a samurai had killed her father. And as a commoner the samurai had the right to kill him.
I realize now I’m not clear as to whether it was a sister or a brother that helped her get her revenge.
I am amused by nk’s characterization of Japanese women.
As an aside, and far be it from me to dispute what you’ll find in Wikipedia, but the only Japanese I ever met named Shinobu were women.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 12:44 pmThe lifeguards may have just been dispirited by the sheer pointlessness of rescuing the daughter. They could have overwhelmed dad and pulled the young lady out. But to what end? She’d have ended up killed as damaged goods a few hours later.
JVW also wrote this about dear old dad:
A bit of free advice, which is worth what you pay for it. If you’re ever in a position to rescue a drowning man, or woman who can be holy terrors as well, and they put up a fight, dive. And drowning people will fight you. They’re operating on their lizard brains. They are not going to appreciate your presence as anything more than something to climb onto and get out of the water.
They won’t follow you down.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 12:58 pmChattels are valued. She wasn’t.
NickM (63e1a7) — 8/11/2015 @ 1:10 pmI’m not making excuses for this guy. I am just passing along what I observed.
I’ve known let’s say a few middle eastern families, Muslims and Christians. And it wasn’t the dad who was the primary problem. It was Mom. For instance, there was this Egyptian Copt girl I knew at the community college. One morning she got into a very bad car accident. Her car was rear ended by one semi, and crashed into the semi ahead of her. She should have gone to the hospital but instead she came to school. She was in agony, but she didn’t know what else to do.
Upshot was we got ahold of her dad at his office, and he couldn’t have been nicer. He was just so grateful we had seen to his daughter, and he came and got her and took her to get medical attention.
She was afraid of her mom. It was mom who made her life h3ll and enforced the moral code. And I can kind of understand why, if you understand I’m using the term understand how I’m using it. I do not approve. I can simply see how it can make sense.
If you are so inclined, google the terms copt, egypt, and rape.
Mom didn’t want that for her daughter. The sheer paranoia led to a firm conviction that if she let go of the iron grip over her daughter, sinister things would happen.
Like I said I’m not making excuses. But these are my observations, for what they’re worth. Fear. They’re marinated in it. What would other people think?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 1:31 pmSteve57, From Wikipedia:
Wakanosato Shinobu (born July 10, 1976 as Shinobu Kogawa) is a professional sumo wrestler from Hirosaki, Aomori, Japan. He made his debut in the top division in 1998, and his highest rank has been sekiwake. He holds the record for the most consecutive tournaments ranked in the junior san’yaku ranks of sekiwake and komusubi (19 from 2002 until 2005). He has won ten special prizes and has twice been runner-up in a tournament. He is also tied for fourth on the list of gold star earning active wrestlers by defeating yokozuna as an untitled wrestler.
ropelight (8383a5) — 8/11/2015 @ 1:33 pmI don’t think I’ve seen a more intellectually dishonest statement.
There is no Buddhist Nation or movement calling for Death to America.
There is no Lutheran or Christian Nation or movement calling for Death to America.
There are multiple Islamic nations and movements calling for Death to America.
Moreover your snark implying murderous justification from the religion practiced in the Axis nations has nothing to do with the reason for the killing. Neither Luther nor Buddha required world domination.
Your slip is showing NK
Steve Malynn (6b1ce5) — 8/11/2015 @ 1:54 pm“Asian” in this context means Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lanka. It’s not PC, it’s just British. Asia is a big place. In America Asian means “East Asian” and in the UK Asian means “South Asian”.
The 7/7 bombings in London caused confusion with American bloggers because the suspects were described as being “black or Asian”; they didn’t see how the two could possibly be confused.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 8/11/2015 @ 1:56 pmI know what it means Mr. Hanna. As an American I was being snarky.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 2:05 pmropelight, thanks for the info. I had never met a Japanese man named Shinobu, and I thought it was a woman’s name. Then kishnevi and you filled me in.
It wasn’t my personal experience, but then I’ve driven across Wyoming and never seen an Elk. Just ’cause I’ve never witnessed one doesn’t mean they’re not there.
For your amusement, from the cheesily named Secrets of the Samurai (Adele Westbrook and Oscar Ratti weren’t great writers in my opinion but if like me you’re interested in Aikido you put up with it). Speaking of the Ronin:
Ratti/Westbrook 123-124)
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 2:22 pmYour slip is showing NK
If that means I don’t share the mindless hatred of Muslims shown by some here, the answer is “Yes, three clothyards past my knees”.
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 2:22 pmi had lunch with my muslim friend today the guy that got me my job what i have now and we went to the halal food carts over in the park where the occupy wall street people were
they are very famous and beautiful carts of peace and the foozles are very cheap and very very tasty
very filling lunch plus drink for $6 and it was delectable to where I bet i go back this week
how America is that?
very America is how America that is
happyfeet (a037ad) — 8/11/2015 @ 2:31 pmI have a mindful contempt for Muslims who have a mindless hate for Americans.
I have a mindful respect for those Muslims who risked their own lives to aid US forces in the sand box as translators and interpreters.
I have a mindful contempt for those Americans who aren’t expediting the process of bringing those Muslims here. Where they’d be an asset to this nation.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 2:47 pmThere could be another Saladin.
We have to guard against that.
Overconfidence kills.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 2:55 pmExactly how many buildings need to be bombed, civilians murdered, military bases attacked, consulates and embassies stormed, ships blown up, ambassadors and soldiers murdered, planes hijacked, cripples thrown off ships, Christians beheaded, women stoned, homos hanged, reporters beheaded, children enslaved, women raped, girls mutilated, daughters allowed to drown and marathons bombed before the hatred of moslems is no longer mindless? Or do you believe people who yell “Death to America” and mean it deserve a pizza?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:18 pmHoagie, in a timely manner kishnevi usefully reminds us of the concept of the nom de guerre.
Abu Bakr al Baghdadi takes his nom de guerre from the first rightly Caliph who took over the Ummah following Muhammad’s death. The first wars he fought were the wars of apostasy.
There is a reason why he’s crucifying Muslims. And my hatred is not mindless.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:24 pmHis name is no accident.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:24 pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_wars
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:28 pmI just find it ridiculous that anybody could think that hatred of moslems is mindless after centuries of their diabolical atrocities perpetrated against all races and religions all over the world. I think one would need to be out of their mind not to hate these b@stards. That’s like not hating Nazi’s or commies after all their death and destruction. You do realize these animals want genocide against the Jews, to wipe Israel off the map and follow that up with The Great Satan, us!
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:36 pmHoagie, my elder brother in arms, maybe you would respect Winston Churchill’s opinion.
I can’t find it as it seems to be available only in book form.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:51 pmChurchill didn’t have any disregard for individual Muslims.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 3:53 pmGeez Dana why don’t you just come out and say what you really think about these morons stuck in the medieval ages? At one point many years ago I was sleeping and heard my younger daughter screaming. I went through a door so hard that the paint transferred to my shirt. I’m a big guy at 6′ 5″ and over 250, and if I found somebody threatening my daughter harm, that person would be dead.
And as for the father who watched his daughter die because lifeguards couldn’t/shouldn’t touch her–he has the soul of a paramecium.
Comanche Voter (1d5c8b) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:08 pmI’m nowhere near that size, Comanche Voter.
I bet I could have run through that door, though.
So could my wife, and she’s even smaller, if she suspected her kid was in danger.
I would not want to be between that door and her.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:25 pmAnd I played Rugby. I gave blood.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:26 pmDear CV: that comment is not fair to paramecia.
This comes to mind:
http://datechguyblog.com/2011/03/03/cultural-imperalism-and-sati-suttee/
From the link:
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:28 pmI’ll probably hoist one tonight to cultural imperialism, SJ.
I’m a big fan.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:35 pmSaburo Sakai was a big fan of cultural imperialism.
And I’m a big fan of Saburo Sakai.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:36 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/08/world/saburo-sakai-is-dead-at-84-war-pilot-embraced-foes.html
G0ddam. Good egg.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:41 pmRE: # 66
No, it means your argument is in bad faith – as is your slander of the good Rev.
Steve Malynn (6b1ce5) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:43 pmSaburo Sakai had a little dog named Pepito.
One day Pepito did not come when Saburo called.
Saburo was very sad. He feared an evil fate had befallen Pepito.
Saburo waited many many moons for Pepito to return.
He waited and he waited.
And then one day he knew in his heart his sweet little Pepito was no more.
He went to the back of the house and called for Marisol, the forlorn mate that Pepito had left behind.
He built a pyre and hurled Marisol upon it and watched her burn.
And then some British guy hung him by the neck the end.
happyfeet (5546fb) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:46 pmThat’s a suck @$$ thing to say about Saburo Sakai, feets.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:49 pmHe was a Japanese aviator, I’ll give you that. But still.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:52 pmwhen recounting the past one must steer one’s ship by the lodestar of truth Mr. 57
clio gifts so few of us with her songs
it is a burden i wear heavily
happyfeet (5546fb) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:55 pmBut to malign Saburo Sakai.
To paint that broadly.
I can’t do it.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 4:59 pmit is a sad tale made sadder by the telling
happyfeet (5546fb) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:07 pmCeasar defeated Pompey at Pharsalus. I think he could have defeated aviators like he deveated horsmen.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:07 pmdefeated.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:08 pmOh blow me.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:09 pmSorry, I hope I dont’t get banned for that. But if I do, it was from the heart.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:13 pmI found the quote to which you referred on Snopes, Steve57. But my very limited computer skills does not allow me to copy it to Patterico. I just went to Snopes and typed in”Churchill islam” and it came up.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:19 pmI was at the airplane exhibit at the Museum of Science and Industry, when a group of Japanese tourists came up behind me. I stepped aside to let them through and the oldest looked at me and said, “Sank you”. I said, “Bombed you”. Why can’t some people just let bygones be bygones?
nk (dbc370) — 8/11/2015 @ 5:21 pmSteve
Celebrating someone who strafed our countrymen, our brave marines on the Canal probably isn’t going to garner much sympathy.
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:01 pmHow far back are you willing to go, EPWJ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident
I’ll take my chances. I knew a lot of Marines who thought as highly of Saburo Sakai as I did.
Yeah, back in the ’40s…
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:09 pmI’m not celebrating someone who strafed our contrymen. I’d never do that. I’m paying respect to a fellow warrior.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:11 pmMr 57 wrote:
As the bumper sticker said, it takes leather balls to play rugby.
The amused Dana (1b79fa) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:12 pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_D%C3%B6nitz
As the historian evaluating the battle of Tassafaronga noted, it helps to be able to say that the combatant who just handed you your @$$ was really, really good at the profession.
Raizo Tanaka was good at his job.
I’m not above or below saying that.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:19 pmTameichi Hara observed that American destroyermen did go in for the kill, did go in to torpedo range.
The darned things just didn’t work.
They gave credit where credit was due. I don’t see how it helps the cause for me to do less.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:24 pmhttp://www.navsource.org/archives/05/0568008.jpg
The USS Melvin sinks the Fuso, Surigao.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:27 pmhttp://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-079.htm
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:39 pmSteve
They committed atrocities that still reverberate throughout that region, there will always be idiots who pay homage to warriors who killed dutch women and children, defenseless british citizens, who no one in the world felt sorry for them when we had to resort to the unthinkable to get them to stop their decades long rampage through Asia – go for it. I didnt realize you had 28 confirmed kills in your career and are a fellow warrior, please excuse us who think that shooting our fellow americans was an honorable enterprise.
I appreciate your service and your enthusiasm for our Navy, I don’t appreciate worshiping Nazi criminals or Japanese aces YMMV
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:42 pmwasn’t an honorable exercise,
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:43 pmEPWJ, don’t you think I don’t know that I know the Japanese committed horrible war crimes?
I know American vets who still look at the Japanese flag and see the flaming red @$$hole of Japan.
On the other hand I know Japanese who were really, no kidding, delighted they were defeated. They were just as disgusted at the atrocities as you are.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 7:54 pmUp until Midway, some Japanese thought they could beat America. After the defeat they were locked away. The news of the defeat would kill the war effort, they weren’t so much as told.
I knew a a lot of guys who walked hundreds of miles just so they could surrender to Americans. I’m not ashamed of that.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:01 pmSteve57
Some of the old wwII vets will never buy a Japanese car… just like some American Jews whose ancestors endured the holocast will never buy a german car.
steveg (fed1c9) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:07 pmA good friend whose dad was a marine did three amphibious invasions in the Pacific and at the end could not extricate his feelings from hatred for those who killed his friends brutally… so we just worked around it
steveg, like I don’t know this about the WWII vets of the ironically named Pacific War. That I was raised by.
I appreciate the gentle way you are trying to inform me of the news. But the war is over.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:50 pmsteve57
Sorry, I don’t follow lines of reasoning from people who worship Nazi monsters or people who call someone their fellow warrior who strafed my countrymen.
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 8:53 pmOh good Allah
JD (3b5483) — 8/11/2015 @ 9:04 pmEPWJ you are out of line re: #111.
But your hackery is par for the course.
Steve Malynn (6b1ce5) — 8/11/2015 @ 9:22 pm“Asian” in this context means Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lanka. It’s not PC, it’s just British. Asia is a big place. In America Asian means “East Asian” and in the UK Asian means “South Asian”.
I’m not sure if this thread is sort of meandering into an off-topic direction because the “Asian” used to describe the contemptible, deranged father makes some folks immediately think of people from Japan, Korea or China (etc).
I know when I see or hear “Asian” I tend to think of East Asians and not a populace from farther west around India or Bangladesh. But this is a good example of why the supposedly politically incorrect word of “Oriental” actually does serve a useful, helpful purpose. “Oriental” pretty much is limited to describe people from the general vicinity of Japan/Korea/China, and not people from India, etc.
Mark (9abec5) — 8/11/2015 @ 9:37 pmAsian was also the designation used in South Africa and Rhodesia for Indians, like Mohandas Gandhi. And Orient means East – The Near East – The Middle East – Far East.
ropelight (8383a5) — 8/11/2015 @ 9:50 pmEPWJ, what is your opinion of the Japanese men who all of a sudden became self defense force officers and ardent American allies when we ended the occupation?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:08 pmHey Maylynn and JD
Yeah, I forced ole 57 to write about Donitz and Nazi worship on a thread about something totally different
my bad…
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:10 pmOrita Zenji? You have an opinion on him?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:13 pmSteve57
They never were our allies, they are not our allies now. They still commit crimes against American business an block our goods from their country while demanding more unfettered access to ours,
but then again its difficult to reason with war hero samurai wannabes who also think women cant serve their country?
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:14 pm@117, you forced yourself into proving you are a d***.
I know you don’t know, but Orita Zenji retired as a Captain in the JMSDF in 1964. He was a fleet submarine commander in WWII. I am grateful my father did not run across him. I would rather have him on my side than any ten people you could name.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:18 pmSteve57
keep backtracking works, I think the posting of Donitz article was off the wall, highly inadvised and isn’t going to help any case you are trying to make, I will blame the unhanged filters at the Coors plant for this bizarre sidetrack and quick trip to the sewer..
Tomorrow will be better.
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:19 pmYes, they are. How many years did you spend with them?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:20 pm@121, does anyone other then EPWJ think I’m backtracking?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:21 pmSteve57
go to bed, get some rest and I would recommend thinking first about calling people who killed Americans my fellow warrior, when we right now are having a national discussion about Iran, enemies etc and as a pro tip, submarines killed hundreds of American women and children in two wars and were the enemy they don’t sell Donitz plushy toys at the Chicago Museum of S&I
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:27 pmOh dear Lord. It’s happening again.
Simon Jester (264b91) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:45 pmEPWJ, I will go to bed in the full knowledge this isn’t even a debate.
Nimitz slept well knowing that his officers would learn from the lesson the Japanese had taught them.
Thank God he didn’t have p****s like you.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/11/2015 @ 10:51 pmI was a Nipponphile in my younger days. But the more you get past the childhood gloss of something into the reality of it, the less you like it. The Japanese were just like any other militaristic, feudal society controlled by murderers, rapists and thieves which is what the samurai were.
Our soldiers in WWII had their number. We had about 350,000 German soldiers in POW camps in the USA. We had hardly any Japanese. Now, it’s likely true that Japanese soldiers were under orders not to be captured and took those orders to heart. But I’m guessing that our soldiers did not try very hard to get them to surrender, either. Not after Pearl Harbor and the Phillipines, and the revelations about their atrocities in China and Southeast Asia.
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2015 @ 5:52 amhttp://www.amazon.com/Rising-Sun-Pacific-1931-April-1942/dp/159114549X/ref=la_B000APLTPK_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1439383921&sr=1-2
http://www.comandosupremo.com/italian-folgore-at-el-alamein-unbreakable.html
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:17 amThat would mean oriental rugs come from Japan/Korea/China. Perhaps knock-offs but not the real McCoy’s.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:19 amjapanese add value
just a tremendous amount of value
plus they make the sex robots
happyfeet (a037ad) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:24 amHeh! Oriental rugs should be called Caucasian. They come from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran and Turkey which the Caucasus mountains run through. The better ones, anyway.
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:44 amThe better rugs, not the better mountains.
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:44 amhttp://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-01BB-Valiant.htm
Captain Morgan, RN, the CO of the Valiant recommended Luigi Durand De La Penne, Regia Marina, La Decima Flottiglia MAS, for a medal, so impressed was he with the Axis Nazi Fascist Italian mofo’s gallantry.
The history doesn’t report what compartment the English were holding him in. It was below the waterline, just above the keel. They couldn’t find the mine, and they wanted to make sure the Italian died with the ship.
De La Penne was OK with going down with the Valiant, the ship he had mined. But he asked to speak to the Captain only to let him know he had just enough time to get his crew to safety.
Then he went back.
The Royal Navy wisely came to the conclusion that it would set a bad example to start giving out medals to the enemy for displaying big brass cajones in combat against the Royal Navy. So thus far you have agreement, EPWJ. But they still couldn’t help but respect the man.
After Italy changed sides, CAPT. Morgan attended the award ceremony for his former enemy, when the King of Italy presented the equivalent of the Victoria Cross/Medal of Honor to LT. De La Penne.
Who was a hard man to stop.
You are totally f***ed in the head, EPWJ.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:45 amadmiration for japanese culture has little to do with criticism of the Shinto Control faction,
http://therightscoop.com/ex-intel-chief-reveals-obama-knew-in-2012-potential-for-isis-rise-funded-rebels-anyway/
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:47 amEPWJ @111:
Aren’t we lucky the professionals don’t take this attitude?
The Italian Tenth Light Flotilla pioneered naval special warfare. The SEALs aren’t shy about saying so. I’m sorry my attitude bothers you. Have you ever been in a fight?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:53 amsad that steve continues his admiration for people who kill americans
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:53 amCount Borghese, like certain Vichy counterparts like Bousquet, certainly avoided most purges of that era,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:56 amthe fact that would come to bite us in the 70s.
o by your standards the pilots on 9/11? are you a “fellow” warrior? You realize that when the two battleships went down more men in the merchant marine died from lack of escort right?
Really stop admiring people who killed Americans and their friends – its a loser
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:57 amyes, he’s gone full sharknado to evade the point
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:58 amconsider the fact that Abe’s grandfather Kishi was a class A war criminal, yet because he was part of the LDP’s key founders with Sasagawa, rose to top leadership in a generation,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:03 amnk @127, the Japanese were under orders not to surrender. It was a court martial offense. Late in the war the Japanese high command tried to reverse those orders. They ordered their troops to surrender, to try and avoid the waste of lives.
It didn’t do as much good as they hoped.
I am unsure of EPWJ’s point, other than knowing if I’m on one side he has to be on the other.
Am I not supposed to respect my enemy? Am I not supposed to learn from my enemy?
I can track the development of European swords and trace back just how they changed based upon combat with the Muslims.
Damascus steel, anyone?
Or am I not supposed to think of my enemy as human? I thought that was one of the criticisms of the military mindset. That we simplistically dehumanized the enemy, in order to make it easier to kill them.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:06 amForget it Steve57. You and I have fought in battle and killed men in battle. Trying to explain the respect one has for a brave fellow warrior to a person ignorant of what that means is impossible. I think EPWJ is equating respect for valor with admiration of the enemy’s intent. If you’ve not been there you probably won’t understand.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:11 amone of the signs of malpractice was how McArthur scapegoates Yamashitas, for the sins committed by Princes who were really responsible for events in Manila,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:12 amSteve57
try understanding the loss, suffered even today, honoring those who killed their loved ones isn’t going to be a winner, I don’t think you were ever in combat correct? There’s a whole set of emotions from intense conflicts that an army of psychologists are till typing on a million keyboards trying to figure it out.
Forgiving an enemy is one thing, a good thing, admiring them for their bravery in committing atrocities and killing americans is another
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:16 amlikewise we deal with the Khalifas and other dynasties in the Gulf, because even though they may have provided support to a whole host of Salafis in the past, they none the less are threatened by them,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:19 amBrother Hoagie, you give me too much credit. I trained for combat. I trained for damage control.
I trained to fight my way out if a VBSS turned from compliant to hostile/opposed.
Probably because we did all that training, visibly so, nobody was stupid enough to test us. I hope you don’t think less of me. I never killed anyone. People just stayed out of our way. Sometimes you have to fight for maritime supremacy. We achieved it just by being there.
What I learned from our nation’s enemies is that nothing less than perfection will do.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:27 amEPWJ, I honestly don’t understand who you think you are dealing with. My dad was a Coastie stationed on Luzon at the end of WWII. His job, not assigned to him by the USCG, was to take pictures of the graves of the sons of friends of the family.
I know about the suffering. What, again, is your point?
There were Japanese who were real b@st@ards. I hope we killed them all.
But if my dad could get over his problem with the Japanese, why can’t you?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:38 amthis has nothing to do with anything:
http://www.thetower.org/2325-captured-hamas-terrorist-spills-details-of-iranian-support-war-plans-against-israel/
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:45 amWell, Steve57, I was just sayin’ it’s hard to understand how enemies can respect each other’s bravery and valor under fire if you’ve not been. I want to assure EPWJ I don’t admire an enemy for committing atrocities or killing Americans. But I am able to see the valor in an enemy when he faces me. I fought with some very brave Americans in Nam and I can assure you we faced an enemy with men just as valiant. I killed them, but I understood them. I’m sure there were brave Nazi’s. I can honor his bravery without admiring his being a damn Nazi. Hell, they actually paid me to kill commies. Best job ever.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/12/2015 @ 7:52 amJust saying, brother Hoagie, I operated on the principle that my enemy was training every day so I needed to as well. Nothing but my best would do.
Along those lines, and I would like to hear EPWJ’s opinion.
The IJN I-58 sank the USS Indianapolis of “Jaws” fame at 12:14 a.m. on 30 July 1945. CAPT McVay was convicted during a post war court martial despite the fact that the skipper of the I-58, Hashimoto Mochitsura, testified mostly in favor of the defense. He had lined up for what amounted to a pistol shot for a submarine with a long lance, and was saying to himself “This ship is dead, this ship is dead.”
Which in itself isn’t so unusual, but the unusual part happened after the war at the court martial.
The USN dragged Hashimoto into court to testify because they were trying to hang McVay (this is part of the reason I responded to Milhouse about embarrassing themselves never stopped the brass before). Hashimoto was confused and disgusted. He couldn’t understand why his former enemy was calling him into a court martial to testify against a USN officer. He thought that was the lowest thing imaginable.
I agree with him.
So, am I an enemy of the all that is decent for agreeing with Hashimoto and looking down on the naval officers who thought this was a smart thing to do?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 8:16 amhttp://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/oral-histories/wwii/interrogation-of-cdr-hashimoto-co-of-i-58.html
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 8:24 amSteve57
Really, I would drop it, romanticizing those who killed Americans duty bound or not, isn’t a winner. Historians in the 1960’s tried to write about Japan, they were not well received as those who wrote about Rommel or other german generals but note that few even today write about the SS commanders why you keep insisting on this line I don’t know but apparently its not something superficial, you have some deep emotional ties – good luck to you working it out. The Pacific war was personal we were betrayed by an Ally who had for a decade subjugated much of Asia. Note that few write about the North Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Chinese war commanders who executed and tortured our captured soldiers. Not that many write about the Japanese commanders as well.
EPWJ (4df1f9) — 8/12/2015 @ 8:47 amI saw a segment about Dusan Popov, the German double agent who discovered Italian prototypes of the armament that was used as Pearl and had warned Hoover,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/12/2015 @ 8:52 amI asked for orders to Spain, I got Japan.
I’m still thinking I would have liked Spain better.
I’m just dragging this out to let you fully illustrate the fact you are a f***tard.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 8:54 amah just more CYA:
The Indianapolis sent distress calls before sinking. Three stations received the signals; however, none acted upon the call. One commander was drunk, another had ordered his men not to disturb him and a third thought it was a Japanese trap.[18] For a long time the Navy denied that a distress call had been sent. The receipt of the call came to light only after the release of declassified records.
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/12/2015 @ 9:02 amMcVay was scapegoated, narciso. The evidence, had it been declassified, would have cleared him.
But I note EPWJ can not answer a direct question.
Hashimoto felt himself defiled by the fact the Navy was using him to railroad one of it’s own officers.
Who was the better man? One of the US Navy guys, who was attempting to screw McVay?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 9:13 amShe wasn’t zig zagging because the USN didn’t designate those to be torpedo waters.
The failure reached a lot higher than CAPT McVay, and so the Navy needed a fall guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMl1NbR0h_A
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 9:22 amhttp://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/asakusa-samba-carnival
I did learn to like Japan, even though it wasn’t Spain.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 9:34 amEPWJ, I take it as given that since you won’t answer my direct question, you are conceding I am right.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 12:19 pmSteve57 — For those who know, no explanation is needed; for those who do not, no explanation is possible.
htom (4ca1fa) — 8/12/2015 @ 12:25 pmhtom, wise words.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 12:33 pmAs are Hoagie’s.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 12:35 pmToday is the traditional Last Day of Summer for Koreans. So even though June is actually in Korea I have an unexpected house full of Asian friends all running around with a half ton of food. Spring rolls, kim-chee jjigae, bulgogi, bibbimbap, gimbap and ox bone soup. Bless their little hearts, they brought pizza for the round-eyes!
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/12/2015 @ 12:57 pmI don’t know why anyone would choose pizza if bibbimbap or bulgogi was on offer.
Although I could see it happening if someone offered me kegogi.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 1:07 pmIs it Karubi or Kalubi?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 1:15 pmOh, I eat it all Steve57. I even gnaw the kegogi bones. That’s how I keep my “Jabba-The-Hut” figure.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/12/2015 @ 1:16 pmSpecially since they got the pizza at Cosco. A great pizzeria on every corner in Philly and they go to Cosco. Damn foreigners.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/12/2015 @ 1:18 pmI’ll pass on the kegogi. Kamsahamnida. Call me a sentimentalist.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 1:19 pmDoes no one question this story? It doesn’t make sense, and we’re missing details.
It sounds like it’s an old story from many years ago. It also sounds fishy. Guy says he doesn’t want two lifeguards to go after her? He can’t stop two of them. The two lifeguards were near her in deep water and the guy, what, outswims them? No names, no nothing. I call shenanigans.
There’s plenty of abhorrent activities by plenty of people; I’m not saying awful things haven’t happened. I’m saying I don’t buy the story that this happened this way.
JRM (de6363) — 8/12/2015 @ 3:25 pmThe story was reported at AFP (via MSN). The report says the father was arrested, which is some comfort. But The Guardian says it’s an anecdotal report from 1996. As The Guardian says, it must have been a slow news day.
DRJ (1dff03) — 8/12/2015 @ 4:04 pmAren’t all muslim males supposed to know how to swim and ride a horse, the better to attack the infidel?
Ray Van Dune (2e0c50) — 8/12/2015 @ 4:36 pmRay, not only can’t they ride or swim, most of them have never read the Quran.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/12/2015 @ 5:37 pmI thought they learned how to swim and ride so they could play water polo.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/12/2015 @ 6:09 pm.
The religious of peace indeed…. The peace of the grave.
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IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d) — 8/12/2015 @ 9:39 pm