Planned Parenthood And The Buying And Selling Of Aborted Baby Parts (Full 2 1/2 Hour Video Added In Light Of Planned Parenthood Accusation That Yesterday’s Released Video Was “Heavily Edited”)
[guest post by Dana]
A disturbing undercover video released today shows Planned Parenthood’s Senior Director of Medical Services Dr. Deborah Nucatola casually discussing the purchase of aborted baby parts with interested “buyers”. This in spite of it being illegal (The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2). Nucatola trains new Planned Parenthood abortion doctors and also performs abortions herself up to 24 weeks. The video is part of a three-year investigation by The Center for Medical Progress (part of the Manhattan Institute) looking into illegal trafficking of aborted fetal parts by Planned Parenthood:
Discussing buyer preference, Dr. Nucatola explains how she proceeds in ensuring the baby parts needed for purchase are protected for their later sale:
We’ve been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that, so I’m not gonna crush that part, I’m gonna basically crush below, I’m gonna crush above, and I’m gonna see if I can get it all intact.”
“I’d say a lot of people want liver,” she also says. “And for that reason, most providers will do this case under ultrasound guidance, so they’ll know where they’re putting their forceps. The kind of rate-limiting step of the procedure is calvarium. Calvarium—the head—is basically the biggest part.”
Nucatola also discusses how “some people” will use ultrasounds to make sure that “the fetus breeches feet-first during a late-term abortion to ensure more usable organs” – just like with the legally banned partial-birth abortion procedure.
The dehumanizing impact on Dr. Nucatola is clear:
Nucatola admits that Planned Parenthood charges per-specimen for baby body parts, uses illegal partial-birth abortion procedures in order to get salable parts, and is aware of their own liability for doing so and takes steps to cover it up.
The footage shockingly depicts the top medical official at the Planned Parenthood corporation munching on her salad while she discusses the sale of body parts of unborn children victimized by abortions. She brazenly describes how the heads of unborn babies killed in abortions command top dollar.
Reflecting the base nature of man, this is the inevitable outcome of those who screamed Our bodies, ourselves! and those who momentarily lost sight of humanity and gave in to their demands. Horribly, we have taken yet one more step in the searing of our collective soul:
The tragedy exposed here is another sign that the safe, legal, and rare approach to abortion was never a tenable position. The dehumanization of unborn children leads to the dehumanization of those who perform abortions, leading from killing living human beings to treating them explicitly as commodities.
–Dana
ADDED: FULL LENGTH 2 1/2 HOUR VIDEO:
Hello.
The video is eye-opening. It’s also jarring to see how casually the doctor addresses the gruesome subject. Of course, in her mind, they’re just “parts” to be sold. Because they have to be.
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:22 amCue the cries of “Entrapment!” in 5. . . 4. . . 3. . .
In a sane world there would be federal regulators who would closely monitor these butchers and root out this immoral and illegal behavior, but everybody knows that abortion providers are not to be touched. The Kermit Gosnell scandal made that vividly clear.
Fun question: Do you think this will come up at all during a Democrat Presidential Primary debate? Ha! Me neither.
JVW (8278a3) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:27 am42 U.S.C. 289g-2
i don’t see how this is the proper purview of the federal failmerican government really
this is an issue the constitution would seem to leave up to the states if you ask me
nobody ever asks me though
but that’s ok I don’t take it personal
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:27 amBut of course every single Republican will be asked if he opposes abortion in the case of incestuous rape at a Confederate gay wedding or whatever.
JVW (8278a3) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:29 amalso it’s not at all clear that PP done anything illegal
i kinda doubt they would’ve proceeded without consulting a lawyer
you have to ask a lawyer for just about anything anymore
unless you’re really good at flying under the radar
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:31 ami don’t see how this is the proper purview of the federal failmerican government really
this is an issue the constitution would seem to leave up to the states if you ask me
If the same applied for abortion across the board I would agree, but our Exalted Rulers at the Supreme Court decided that abortion was a federal issue 42 years ago. It was in all the newspapers.
JVW (8278a3) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:32 amThese are our leftist “betters”. These are the compssionate Obamaites. And just as SSM was never meant to give equal rights to gays, abortion was never meant to be safe, legal and rare. They are both designed to devalue people and destroy the family. And ultimately destroy Christianity and the US. But it’s just my opinion.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:32 amThat is one of the most disturbing videos I’ve seen in recent memory. She’s talking about these aborted babies and making use of them like a meat-packing plant would with chicken/beef/pork… as she’s living the good life, eating good food and drinking wine. These folks are monsters.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:45 amGood lord! I wonder if Planned Parenthood has a gift shop with lampshades, ashtrays, etc. made from “parts”. The historical association between Margaret Sanger, PP and the Nazi eugenicists has come full circle. Literally makes me sick to my stomach.
in_awe (7c859a) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:47 amMonstrous. She’s a monster.
And Colonel Haiku, I bet she’s a vegetarian.
Patricia (5fc097) — 7/14/2015 @ 11:57 amBobby Jindal says he’s not gonna support any new PP abortion clinics in Louisiana until this is thoroughly investigated
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:01 pmWhile listening to her, I kept thinking about Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle – everything but the squeal…
in_awe (7c859a) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:04 pmI’m glad she said “middle person” instead of “middle man” because that would be gender offensive.
Patricia (5fc097) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:10 pmThis is disgusting.
JD (69d190) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:14 pmWhat’s missing is any allegation that the Planned Parenthoods are doing this without the consent of the patient. I suspect people what go in for abortions actually have to sign something what says that this sort of thing is ok as far as they’re concerned.
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:19 pmHappy Feet: Here’s the problem: “Nucatola admits that Planned Parenthood charges per-specimen for baby body parts, uses illegal partial-birth abortion procedures in order to get salable parts, and is aware of their own liability for doing so and takes steps to cover it up.”
Even if the patients’ signed something saying that a doctor COULD do this, the law trumps that agreement. Just like if you were to sign something saying I could do some other illegal activity, the contract is void.
Matt S (4817cc) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:27 pm“Federal law prohibits the sale of body parts of aborted babies. In fact, the sale or purchase of human fetal tissue a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2).” — Happy Feet, if that’s true, it doesn’t matter WHAT the patients say. That trumps it.
Matt S (4817cc) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:28 pmNow, it is POSSIBLE that this video was somehow doctored, that the person being interviewed somehow is being unclear/manipulated to say untrue things.
But, you know what? We’ve investigated people for less. This demands an investigation. I’m tentatively OK with abortion being legal, because the government doesn’t have too many other, better options. But this? This is unacceptable.
Matt S (4817cc) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:30 pmYou do know, don’t you, that The Jungle is a work of fiction, that Sinclair spent all of a week “researching” it, and that was commissionted by the unions to write it as a propaganda piece for them? And that the subsequent Congressional investigation substantiated exactly none of his sensational allegations?
In any case, when the subject is a pig or a cow, what’s wrong with selling everything but the squeal or moo, and even that if you could find a way to do so? But the subject here is murdered human beings.
Milhouse (7d5ad7) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:31 pmAbout the possibility of it be doctored: I read that they immediately released the full two hour video to pre-empt such accusations.
Dana (7ace16) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:33 pmThe “patient” is not capable of giving consent to being murdered, let alone to having its organs marketed.
Milhouse (7d5ad7) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:33 pmNAACP: Let’s ‘Sand Blast’ Confederate Carvings Off Georgia Mountain
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:37 pmI think this clarifies something.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:38 pmIf we are not talking about human persons, then why not?
If we are, then why allow it at all?
I doubt the video was tampered with/doctored/etc. But, it is a possible complaint, and the only way we’ll settle it, at this point, is for an independent, thorough investigation of Planned Parenthood.
This is coming from someone who honestly thinks that if we tried, we could make safe, legal and rare work. Things like this and Gosnell make it HARDER for me to take that moderate position when no one on the left takes it seriously.
Matt S (f70cda) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:38 pmHappy Feet, if that’s true, it doesn’t matter WHAT the patients say. That trumps it.
Mr. S the law is much more nuanced than that lil bit you quote
I linkered the text of the law above at #5
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:39 pmIf “they” rule that the fetus is property of the woman, then the woman has “property” rights that need to be protected.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:39 pmHere’s a serious question for PP.
How do your people keep getting caught in these sorts of sting operations? Like, seriously? This person was pretending to be from a biomedical community asking you to talk about illegal things. How in the world do you NOT do a thorough enough audit of the company they claim to be with enough so that some red flags don’t go up?
I mean, I’m always glad when people willingly talk about illegal things they may be doing — but still. Someone could make a lot of money just selling some basic anti-media screw up training and services to organizations.
Matt S (f70cda) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:45 pmYes, but the Gosnell case was not a work of fiction. He was also not, as much as the vile people running this vile organization insist, an outlier. I’ve long suspected something like what was revealed in this video had to be going on behind the scenes.
It’s not just Gosnell. Other abortionists have been found to be flouting the law regarding clinical conditions, limits on fetal age when abortions can be performed, etc. They usually attract the attention of authorities when they accidentally or negligently kill women, and invariably they have collected the carcasses of their young victims.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:52 pmIt seems pretty cut and dry to me, compared to most laws. You can’t buy, sell or trade for human fetal parts — or make a donation to an organization for them understanding that you’ll get bumped to the top of a donor list. Specifically, you can’t even grow it in a lab or get someone pregnant for the express purpose of such a sale/transfer.
The only possible way the federal government may weasel out of this — if true — is if, for once, they take an extremely limited view of “interstate commerce.”
Matt S (4817cc) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:54 pmhere’s the part what seems most germane Mr. S
the bolded part, there’s no allegation so far that would seem to satisfy this language
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:57 pmWe’ve been told for years that it’s important to have a variety of safe methods of abortion available because women need to have options that might be necessary for their health. But the icing on the cake: they admit to performing abortions in a way that is best for their money-making procedures, the woman’s health be damned.
Quelle surprise.
It’s almost like people who murder babies for a living don’t much care about their grown-up counterparts.
bridget (248d93) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:57 pm#3
When did happyfeet suddenly develop an interest in the Constitution? It’s like he’s 2 different people or something.
Gerald A (e1ec12) — 7/14/2015 @ 12:59 pmAborted fetuses were unable to be reached for comment.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:00 pmHappyfeet, the most germane language is in Section (a):
“Otherwise transfer” includes the seller’s side; otherwise, the operative language would be “otherwise receive.” “Transfer” logically includes both sides of the transaction.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/289g-2
bridget (248d93) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:03 pmdid you see this part Bridget?
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:06 pm*bridget* I mean
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:06 pmThat’s a failure to read the law properly. All three sections [a, b and c] are violations of the law. One does not need to hit the trifecta to break the law.
Matt S (e8be18) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:06 pmthere should be no failures to read the law p[roperly
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:08 pm*properly* i mean
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:08 pmBut the icing on the cake: they admit to performing abortions in a way that is best for their money-making procedures, the woman’s health be damned.
According to lifenews, roughly 10 women per year die from legal abortions. I wonder if any of them were abortions that were performed in a manner to ensure a viable sales product upon completion.
JVW (8278a3) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:09 pmHappyfeet: Judging from the excerpts, they are not talking about donations for transportation. She specifically asks what sort of organs the person might want, and states that what they’re doing is unethical/questionable enough that the lawyers don’t want them involved. It is entirely possible everything is on the up and up.
You know how we find that out?
A thorough investigation.
Matt S (f70cda) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:11 pmhappyfeet:
Correct. If you to remove a liver from a dead human foetus, stick it in a FedEx box with some dry ice, ship it to the recipient, and then charge the recipient for the cost of the shipping and dry ice, you would not be in violation of Sec (a).
However, if you charge more money than costs, you are in violation of the statute. If Planned Parenthood were merely recouping their costs, they wouldn’t care how valuable the parts are. But they do care, which means that they are charging more than cost and therefore, are in violation of the statute.
bridget (248d93) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:20 pmi’m sure there will be a very thorough one Mr. S
but so far i suspect this is much ado about not a whole lot
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:21 pmi dunno bridget the monies involved are not quantified at all from anything I seen
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:22 pmBarbaric
mg (31009b) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:25 pmMr. feets, for the record-
so if it is legal, you are perfectly fine with it, right?
Did you know Gov. Walker is a lifey-doodle??
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:26 pmhappyfeet: the monies involved don’t need to be quantified; they just need to be larger than costs.
Logically, they must be. It doesn’t matter if it’s by a few cents or hundreds of dollars; it’s in violation of the statute.
bridget (248d93) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:28 pmAnd your point is exactly what? The actions described in the video reminded me of a book – fiction or not. The idea that PP is treating human fetuses like cows is abhorrent.
And thank you for reminding me that the topic is murdered human beings – that point must have certainly escaped my attention!
Perhaps you missed my reference 15 minutes earlier to lampshades made of human skin and ashtrays of human parts – you know like the real life Nazis did with the remains of people murdered in the concentration camps in WWII. Is that clear enough or should I provide links for you?
Remind me to vet all your analogies in the future.
in_awe (7c859a) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:31 pmMr. Dr. I think if someone who goes in for an abortion wants to donate fetal tissue to “science” then that’s their business. It’s not my business.
I think furthermore if people don’t like how PP does abortions then they’re free to start their own clinics and do it more better.
I also think that this is mostly just propaganda. It smells like propaganda to me.
I also think that this whole dealio is very much a “first whirl problem” of the kind our pitiful and rapidly-declining little country will not long have the luxury of maundering on about.
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:31 pmEven if the organ selling isn’t happening, partial birth abortions, I thought, were illegal — and what she’s describing sure sounds like that to me.
Matt S (37418c) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:34 pmhappyfeet: the monies involved don’t need to be quantified; they just need to be larger than costs.
i don’t see that bridget I think the term “reasonable payments” leaves a lot of wiggle room in this whole process
why?
Cause it’s obvious this law was written expressly to allow that some amount of fetal tissue would somehow remain available for scientific purposes.
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:35 pm“happyfeet: the monies involved don’t need to be quantified; they just need to be larger than costs.”
— It doesn’t even have to be greater than costs; it just has to be the motive. The way this is described in what I’ve read, it sounds like people talking over BUYING something, not on a donation. I haven’t got audio here, so it may not be as bad as the transcripts sound, but this sounds like people selling things, not donating them.
Matt S (e8be18) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:41 pmI’m beginning to think that anything the left says is a “slippery slope”. Give them an inch and they take a mile, then another mile, then another mile, …
Tanny O'Haley (c674c7) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:42 pmSo, this whole thing turns out to be all about the money. I wonder what Dr. Nucatola’s liver is worth, for research purposes?
PPs43 (6fdef4) — 7/14/2015 @ 1:45 pmQuote from a WaPo article: ““Every provider has patients who want to donate their tissue, and they want to accommodate them,” says Nucatola. “They just want to do it in a way that is not perceived as: This clinic is selling tissue. This clinic is making money off this. In the Planned Parenthood world, they’re very, very sensitive to that. Some affiliates might do it for free. They want to come to a number that looks like a reasonable number for the effort that is allotted on their part…””
— Note that they she doesn’t want people to perceive it as “This clinic is selling tissue.” WaPo’s current punctuation is that the next thought is separate: “The clinic is making money off this.” The right punctuation if those two thoughts are how they don’t want to be perceived is ; or , not .
They want to come to a number that “looks like a reasonable number.” They’re only worried about the appearance, not whether they actually are.
The WaPo piece makes it sound bad.
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/undercover-video-shows-planned-parenthood-exec-discussing-organ-harvesting/2015/07/14/ae330e34-2a4d-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html?tid=sm_tw
Matt S (37418c) — 7/14/2015 @ 2:04 pmyeah it doesn’t look like there’s a substantial profit motive here Mr. S
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 2:11 pmI bet PP sells fetus parts to Zombies.
The Constitution Mr.Feets is so worried about does not address Zombies as far as I am aware.
Good thing PP gets taxpayer funding, right?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/14/2015 @ 2:27 pmSilly happyfeet. Nobody gives a shit what the law SAYS anymore. Didn’t you get that memo?
Russ from Winterset (822a67) — 7/14/2015 @ 2:35 pmSo who is getting the proceeds from the sale of parts? PP or the “mother” of the aborted baby?? I apologize if that was spelled out in the video –but I choose not to watch it. How will this not end up in lawsuits? Do the recipients and their transplant doctors have a clue where their organ came from?
elissa (701910) — 7/14/2015 @ 2:36 pmYou have to stoop pretty low to appear to be more depraved than Ilse Koch;
askeptic (efcf22) — 7/14/2015 @ 2:39 pmDr. Deborah Nucatola has exceeded that parameter.
If PP was only involved in fetal tissue donation, then why was Nucatola going on great detail about organs and how they proceed carefully to make sure they remain in tact for buyers, as well as citing livers as being in high demand?
This isn’t rocket science.
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 2:44 pmHey, Abortion Barbie had to fund her gubernatorial campaign some way.
elissa (701910) — 7/14/2015 @ 2:44 pmThe Center for Medical Progress responds to PP’s denouncement of the video:
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 2:53 pmWoodchippper. Feet first.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:09 pmNot happyfeet. Nucatola into the woodchipper feet first.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:10 pmHappyfeet – you surprised me. This should disgust even you.
JD (69d190) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:23 pmi’m gonna have a glass of wine
but no salad I made porridge with steel cut oatmeals and leftover gouda it’s really to die for
GLTA
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:27 pmMr. JD it’s really hard to evaluate stuff what is obviously amped-up propaganda
i just deplore the screechy tone i really do
plus they make a pikachu do all the work to figure out what’s what
they never even bother to say hey this specific law was broken specifically here and we should do the prosecutions
THAT SAID
my point of view for now is this…
what I assume for right now is that we need to have *some* amount of fetal tissue for doing research and it’s way way WAY more ethical to use aborted fetal tissue in broad daylight than to create fetal tissue just for the sake of research behind the closed doors
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:31 pmIt’s funny you say “screechy tone” because what struck me about both the video and the accompanying article was that they were surprisingly none-screechy, if you will.
The problem isn’t fetal tissue, though, the problem is the harvesting of organs from aborted babies to sell on the market.
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:33 pmthe problem is the harvesting of organs from aborted babies to sell on the market
how is this different from “fetal tissue”
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:34 pmAnd honestly, happyfeet, don’t you pretty much anything objecting to or pointing out the gruesomeness of abortion and abortion related news, “screechy”?
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:35 pmit’s way way WAY more ethical to use aborted fetal tissue in broad daylight than to create fetal tissue just for the sake of research behind the closed doors
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:31 pm
It would be real easy to go Godwin with that.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:36 pmAnd honestly, happyfeet, don’t you pretty much anything objecting to or pointing out the gruesomeness of abortion and abortion related news, “screechy”?
yes
yes i do
i just would rather err on the side of freedom
to me the mostest alarming thing alleged so far is that PP is not getting consent from their patients
if true then that is no bueno
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:36 pmWell, no, we don’t need fetal tissue for research. At least not anymore than we need than we need hamburgers from it. Disgusting baby-killing necrophiliac perverts may feel such a need. Normal people find other ways to do medical research.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:38 pmwell me for sure i don’t need any
but someone is using it for research and I would like to know what they are researching please
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:41 pmwe don’t wanna throw the baby out with the bathwater
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:51 pmI’m in a bad mood. Babykilling tends to harsh my mellow.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:54 pmThere’s a demand for the fetal organs and it is being tapped into by the bio-tech company Ganogen:
Further:
Gu, the co-founder and CEO of the company, states:
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:54 pmIt doesn’t seem a stretch to see PP getting in on the action. They have already proven they have no moral compunctions about anything related to abortion, and they have already proven that they are making untold millions off of abortions yearly. Judging from what Nucatola said on the video, this is just business as usual.
Of course not feets, not when we can make soup.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:55 pmThe U.S. Army does not like to talk about it, but it’s always doing research on wounds. From the best ways to inflict them, to the best ways to treat them. It uses animals as test subjects. I would like to draft the people of Planned Parenthood as test subjects in place of the goats and pigs.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:59 pmso the question is do we wanna drive this organ transplant stuff underground
i hope i never need a rat kidney
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 3:59 pmDid this sound like it was being done out in the open, happyfeet? Do you think that the patients consented to have the organs harvested to fund a profit center for Planned Parenthood? Do you ever tire of providing rhetorical cover for them?
JD (69d190) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:04 pmthose are all very good questions Mr. JD
but actually except for when i stumble upon bloggings PP has absolutely no presence in my life not unlike adam sandler movies and stuff what says “gluten free” on it
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:08 pmHow did I know hf would be on the gluten free wagon.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:12 pmFetus soup is gluten free.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:14 pmAre fetus parts gluten free?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:16 pmThis is a flyer that group behind the video found posted at various PP clinics and promises “financial profits” from the “raw materials” that are “usually discarded during obstetrical procedures.”
Wouldn’t you agree, hf, that all of this together should at least be investigated? If not to make sure PP’s highest ethical standards remain unblemished…
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:17 pmI actually saw cherries at the store marked as gluten free. It’s a low information cult.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:20 pmBut what about GMOs? Is Monsanto behind Planned Parenthood or is Planned Parenthood behind Monsanto?
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:24 pmI have audio now and am listening.
“Some people want lower extremities… I don’t know what they do with it.”
Yeah. That sounds like we’re donating things to medical research. The guy acting as a buyer — he’s not doing a very good job. “Yeah. Livers!”
Matt S. (686cc8) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:27 pmhf:
You mean freedom for the mother, obviously, and maybe the father if he doesn’t want a baby. But what about the baby’s freedom?
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:27 pmif it makes people feel better to investigate then i guess that’s ok
but let’s not get carried away
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:27 pmThe order form, if real, is also super creepy.
Matt S. (686cc8) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:27 pmPretty soon we’ll find a sales brochure that says:
steveg (fed1c9) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:28 pmPlanned Parenthood-for parts you can trust at prices you can afford!
in a lot of cases the baby gets the short end of the stick DRJ
it’s a terribly imperfect whirl
i just try and take care of my lil corner
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:29 pmThey specifically ask how they hide the financial transactions. That’s… pretty damning too.
Matt S. (686cc8) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:29 pmThe misfortunate is completely one-sided, happyfeet, since the aborted baby always gets the short end of the stick. Shouldn’t someone stand up for the baby?
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:36 pmi feel like everyone’s looking at this issue trying to find things not to like about it instead of trying to see the positive
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:36 pm“is a law… and laws are up to interpretation.”
Yeah. No. This with audio? Not helping her. She knows what she’s doing is illegal, and is trying to sugar coat it to make the buyer comfortable. Like teh guy who is selling watches at the train station who says, “No man, my dad just died and I’m trying to clear out his watch collection.”
As long as she says she isn’t TRYING to do a partial birth abortion, but if it happens, she says it doesn’t matter. What she’s arguing is that, if anyone asks, she’s going to say that wasn’t the intent of the procedure, but it just got goofed and that’s what happened. Too bad we have her on tape saying they INTENTIONALLY try to manipulate the abortion into a partial birth abortion to preserve more specimens.
Oh my God. She actually says “If they’re reasonable people [they’ll be willing to do this thing for us.]” That’s like… I couldn’t write a more cliche “evil people talking about being paid to do something they know is illegal.” / “Well, reasonable people can make accommodations for your needs.”
The fact she says they need the Supreme Court to sign off on what their doing is another indication she knows what they are doing is illegal.
Matt S. (686cc8) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:37 pmEach time someone writes PP I think of this blog.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:37 pmIt’s hard to see the positive in dismembering babies that are still alive so you can preserve the body parts to sell them.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:39 pmDRJ other people’s babies are just that
that’s just how it is
but the way I stand up for babies is to try and advocate for economic freedom, personal liberty, and for policies what facilitate prosperity and economic growth
i truly believe in my heart that this is how you get at the root causings of abortion
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:39 pmIn PP’s defense; that flyer looks like it is from StemWhatever. They’re allowed to make money off their research; PP ISN’T allowed to sell fetal tissue for profit motive. I don’t think the flyer is relevant to the issue at hand.
Matt S. (686cc8) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:40 pmhappyfeet,
Your admirable policies may also be ways to get to the root cause of murder and crime, but society should still have laws that punish people who do those things.
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:44 pmbut the way I stand up for babies is to try and advocate for economic freedom, personal liberty, and for policies what facilitate prosperity and economic growth
Unless you happen to be a baker…
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:45 pmMr. Gazzer i NEVER have said the bakers should be punished by the state
never ever my whole life
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:51 pmDRJ driving abortion underground would just open up a whole smorgasbord of fetal exploitation that would make the present instances under discussion look like a sunday picnic
that’s what i think
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 4:54 pmNo but you insisted that they had to bake the cake so that is a distinction without a difference in practicality.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:00 pmdriving abortion underground would just open up a whole smorgasbord of fetal exploitation that would make the present instances under discussion look like a sunday picnic
This is not unlike the argument used that got us into the legalized abortion mess in the first place.
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:02 pmDRJ said: It’s hard to see the positive in dismembering babies that are still alive so you can preserve the body parts to sell them.
happyfeet responded: other people’s babies are just that
that’s just how it is
To clarify: other people’s babies are just body parts to be sold on the market, even if they are still alive? (I’m sure there is some nuance I am missing, but I can’t find my decoder ring)
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:05 pmYou know, I think it would do pro-life people good NOT to push this into an attempt to make abortion illegal.
Focus on the specific breaches of law in THIS case. This doctor has most likely broken the law by lying to her patients [she claims that they say they’ll be doing an abortion, and then induce a partial birth abortion deliberately to try and salvage more specimens. Either she lied to her patients or told them the truth, and they consented to undergo an illegal operation. Either way, she has no right to be a doctor any more.]
Matt S. (686cc8) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:07 pmyes yes you’re missing all the nuances
my goodness we can’t gladys kravitz ourselves all up into the lives of everybody
you just have to have faith that things work out for the best
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:08 pmI agree, Matt S. I wanted to clearly understand happyfeet’s comment.
Further, the investigation must look into whether or not PP was involved in either selling or profiting off of sold fetal organs.
Dana (86e864) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:10 pmhappyfeet has a point. We found out, the hard way, that when we outlawed murder, we drove murder underground.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:12 pmNow only the worst people do it.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:12 pmAnd it’s the women and children who suffer the most.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:13 pmthat is too reductive I think Mr. nk
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:20 pmAnd minorities, nk. Don’t forget the minorities.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:24 pmIt’s just that some of us lifey-doodles think abortion is murder. And some even think that using their remains to extend some worn-out sick old a**hole’s life for a couple more years with a new heart, or kidney, or liver, is cannibalism.
nk (dbc370) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:27 pmwell let’s not rush to judgment remember first reports usually turn out to be significantly inaccurate
happyfeet (831175) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:39 pmI can see it now… “See us for parts you can trust”
– Spokesfetus Cletus the Fetus
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/14/2015 @ 5:44 pmPlanned Parenthood’s Senior Director of Medical Services Dr. Deborah Nucatola casually discussing the purchase of aborted baby parts with interested “buyers
Sickening.
But what makes it much worse to me is because I’m sure Nucatola sees herself as a wonderfully progressive, enlightened, caring, compassionate human being.
She’d deserve a tiny bit less contempt if her politics weren’t so (probably, presumably and likely) damn blue, blue, blue, if she instead had some contemptible hard-right, bigoted Nazi-ish type of sentiments. Then one would know she at least wasn’t masquerading around as a lovely, beautiful liberal, the type who happily, proudly always votes solidly pro-Obama, pro-Hillary, etc, when election day rolls around.
Another thing: The calculating, inhumane display from the director at Planned Parenthood has to be set against the backdrop of a culture where more and more people in general bleed their hearts for Fido or Kitty (or the killer whales at Sea World), and react much less so (if at all) towards aborted human fetuses, and see that as a sign of one’s true compassion, one’s true modern-day sophistication.
Reminder of the day: Adolph Hitler (whose party had the word “socialist” contained in it) was a vegan who endorsed the concept of animal rights, in civilized, humane 1930s Germany.
What goes around, comes around.
Mark (2857e5) — 7/14/2015 @ 6:11 pm==She’d deserve a tiny bit less contempt if her politics weren’t so (probably, presumably and likely) damn blue, blue, blue,==
No, that’s absurd. She’d deserve the exact same contempt regarding this no matter what her politics are.
elissa (701910) — 7/14/2015 @ 6:20 pmWhy else would PP do this except for the money?
This doctor never mentioned research or any purportedly altruistic reason for it.
It’s money.
Patricia (5fc097) — 7/14/2015 @ 6:35 pmGourmet meals and expensive wine cost money, Patricia!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/14/2015 @ 6:42 pmShe’d deserve the exact same contempt regarding this no matter what her politics are
But the difference is the way she’d react to someone whose ideology is conservative (me, for example) and presumably quite different from hers. IOW, yea, she should be held in total contempt regardless, but there’s something ever more disgusting about people (possibly, probably including Nucatola) if they see themselves as so loving and caring compared with people of the right.
Mark (2857e5) — 7/14/2015 @ 6:45 pmWhatevs Mark. *eyeroll*
elissa (701910) — 7/14/2015 @ 7:06 pmStatistically, 2-3% of these fetuses were going to grow up to be gay.
So you can have your SSM with any cake you desire, but only if you can dodge the abortionist.
Russ from Winterset (315e58) — 7/14/2015 @ 7:58 pmWhatevs Mark. *eyeroll*
Come on, Elissa. You’re not going to be even more outraged or resentful towards someone who you judge as having done something truly crappy, but who at the same time also considers him or herself emotionally superior to you, meaning a person who deems herself as more loving, more generous, more humane, more worldly, more tolerant, more sophisticated than you?
Mark (2857e5) — 7/14/2015 @ 8:12 pmNo Mark. I guess I don’t look at the world or live in the world in quite the same way that you seem to. Thankfully.
elissa (701910) — 7/14/2015 @ 8:49 pm“No, that’s absurd. She’d deserve the exact same contempt regarding this no matter what her politics are.”
A-freakin-men
JD (69d190) — 7/14/2015 @ 9:07 pmAnybody else smell suphur?
DNF (208255) — 7/14/2015 @ 9:56 pmThankfully.
Then you’re apparently a superior human being to me since you’re implying that nothing extraneous to aspects of the bad deed-doer and her (or his) bad deed will affect the way you judge and perceive her (or him) even if she were, for example, your dear aunt or beloved cousin instead of, say, Deborah Nucatola. By contrast, I admit that the level of my disgust and contempt for such a person will be influenced by outside factors, by extenuating characteristics of that person, including whether I personally knew her or not, whether she was truly friendly or not….or whether she was a leftist or not.
However, I don’t think I’d ever be as ridiculous — as idiotically influenced by extraneous matters — as, for example, Bill Cosby’s wife who recently said the women accusing her husband of rape all consented to having sex with him.
Mark (2857e5) — 7/14/2015 @ 9:57 pmIn the interest of accuracy you just don’t find this attitude toward the profitability of fetal body parts evenly distributed across the political spectrum.
By the same token you don’t find support for the death penalty evenly distributed across the political spectrum. But I can at least find support for it in both the Constitution and Catholic catechism. Which is why support for the death penalty is conservative, while abortion isn’t.
What did a fetus ever do to anybody? Apparently the only time liberals feel good about taking a human life is when the human hasn’t harmed anybody, and won’t get due process.
This whole story is bizarre, and blows the case (as promoted for the last 40 plus years) out of the water.
The fetus isn’t a human being, it’s just a clump of cells? Planned Parenthood isn’t trying to sell clumps of cells. It’s trying to sell hearts, lungs, livers, etc. And what makes those parts valuable is that they are human.
Yet the fetus isn’t human?
And they’re making the bizarre claim that it’s the woman’s right to dispose of those organs. Yet those aren’t her organs. It’s not her heart, lungs, livers, she’s selling. If she’s even in on the deal at all.
If you follow the logic of why PP works to preserve the most valuable fetal parts, it’s devastating as to why abortion should be legal at all.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/14/2015 @ 10:02 pmIn the interest of accuracy you just don’t find this attitude toward the profitability of fetal body parts evenly distributed across the political spectrum.
I remember listening to a political radio talk show many years ago (must have been back in the late 1990s), involving a pro-choice woman debating the issue of abortion. Another guest entered the show well after it had begun, a generally conservative Republican from Orange County (my memory of the exact details is hazy, but I do believe that was his background). I still recall his saying he supported abortion because he didn’t want women to have children they couldn’t handle and who’d end up the rejects (or criminals) of society.
I smirked because all of a sudden the big-liberal, big pro-choice woman finally expressed a sense of outrage about one aspect of the abortion controversy (or at least one person’s reason for why he wouldn’t be arguing against her), and for good cause. I also grimaced at the guy because although his take on the issue wasn’t couched in phony-baloney compassion, it still was way too amoral for my tastes.
Years later, I’m reminded of the various liberals who will either denounce or tolerate truly reactionary social-cultural customs depending on whether the source of those customs are sad, pathetic, exotic Middle Easterners toting around a Koran or fuddy-duddy Christians from the US or Europe carrying a Bible in their hand.
Mark (2857e5) — 7/14/2015 @ 10:38 pmOne year from now, five years from now, ten years from now Planned Parenthood will continue to be subsidized by the government. No one will be in prison. No one will pay any fines. Nothing will happen.
ErisGuy (76f8a7) — 7/15/2015 @ 4:56 amfilet o’fetus, $1.98/lb.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/15/2015 @ 6:15 aminsofar as Team R might be able to exploit this as a way of steering federal monies away from PP, maybe it’ll work out for the best
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 6:45 amof a piece, with the moloch merchandising
http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/07/one-third-of-vets-on-healthcare-waitlist-already-dead/
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/15/2015 @ 6:55 amMatt Walsh wrote: “I want to thank everyone who defended Planned Parenthood today. I now know to never take any of your opinions seriously ever again.” Do you guys like Matt Walsh?
nk (dbc370) — 7/15/2015 @ 7:02 amI don’t know him personally but this Matt Walsh sounds like he’s quite the cheeky pickle
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 7:11 amIt is strictly illegal to sell human organs, but it would seem to me that, if the left believe that this is no big deal by Planned Parenthood, they could not also be opposed to repeal of the sections of the National Organ Transplant Act of 1984 which make it a federal crime to sell organs; let’s leave it up to the marketplace!
Then again, I’ve always been skeptical of laws which make it a crime to do something for money that is perfectly legal to do for free.
The Dana who isn't an attorney. (f6a568) — 7/15/2015 @ 7:31 amTrue. It’s rooted in the old upper-class pretense of disdain for money, which was really disdain for those who have to work for their money. Not an attitude that has historically had much traction in the USA, but (I speculate) was imported from Europe by the “Progressives”; yet another thing I blame on them.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/15/2015 @ 7:59 amIf the left believe that it’s perfectly acceptable to sell parts from aborted children, why wouldn’t it be acceptable to sell the whole child after he has been born? Surely there are plenty of infertile couples which would be happy to buy a baby!
The questioning Dana (f6a568) — 7/15/2015 @ 9:48 amIt’s not buying and selling. That would be undignified and illegal. Planned Parenthood gives the tissues away for the good of humanity, and the recipients are moved to make donations to their good friends at Planned Parenthood who are such fine humanitarians. It’s just an odd coincidence that the donations correspond to the market value of what they received. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Peter B (3a4241) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:15 amClaims of organ harvesting by PP seem remarkably similar to the anti-Semitic blood libel.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:17 amThe evidence of any crime is very weak and a bit of a red herring, but this video is concerning nonetheless. She’s talking about baby parts the way a scrap yard operator talks about extracting radiators from vehicles.
Arctic_Attorney (7155d1) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:18 amIt’s on tape, asswipe!
ropelight (b7df23) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:20 amthe only way the video is even possibly concerning is if you watch it
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:21 am‘excepting the unpleasantness at ford’s theatre, how did you like the show’
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:33 amthis isn’t an isolated thing, any more than gosnell was:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/flashback-obama-told-baby-organ-harvester-planned-parenthood-god-bless-you-video/
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:37 amMilhouse (a04cc3) — 7/15/2015 @ 7:59 am
Maybe that is true, but in the medical community the conscious thought is that it is unjust for a donated organ to go to the highest bidder. Of course, that hales from the day when organs always came from cadavers. I think there is still a bias (and probably law) that says a person cannot sell one of their kidneys or a segment of their liver. Making that legal would surely end up with some abuse.
As far as a political response to this, I would agree that rather than try to make another law, make it a public relations/consciousness issue. Laws mean next to nothing anymore in the face of emotional manipulation of the public and SCOTUS. What would be most helpful is to make the dems own the excesses. Maybe more than 50% of the public is unwilling to make abortion illegal, but far more than 50% object to the excesses that the Dems defend.
Likewise religious freedom. Far less than 50% have affinity for religious conviction that takes the Bible as authoritative, but far more than 50% are put off by viewing the Dem party officially eliminate God from their platform.
I think the effort needs to be made to reformat the debate every time, never respond on the defensive. If some statement needs to be defended/clarified, don’t leave it at that, a riposte’ is necessary.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:42 amthe only way the video is even possibly concerning is if you watch it
I’m pretty sure another group of people said something pretty similar some time back…
Dana (86e864) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:52 amWe all seem to be avoiding the fact that these organs are ripped out of a living creature. They do not anesthetize the infant. They carefully crush surrounding tissue to preserve organs. On a living being!
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:00 amOr am I missing something. The suffering of the baby to me is beyond belief if this is true.
They do not anesthetize the infant.
i think she said they suck the brains out first
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:09 amNo, these accusations are not at all an isolated thing. That’s why I likened it to the Jewish blood libel. They go back to 2000 (Connie Chung v. a guy who served time for tax evasion), 2003 (fetal tissue for research), 2010 (anti-vaccine wacko claims that abortions are “encouraged” to harvest tissue).
I’m sure that this video is as truthy as James O’Keefe’s stuff.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:15 amit smells very keefey
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:18 amIn light of PP’s claim that yesterday’s released video was “heavily edited”, I’ve added the full 2 1/2 hour video, in all its devastating glory.
Dana (86e864) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:23 amWho’re you gonna believe? carlitos or your lying eyes and ears?
nk (dbc370) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:26 amYou can always trust content from carlito.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:30 ami’d rather read an analysis what places what is discussed in the video into a legal context and a medical ethics context than watch a video
mostly the video makes me think about how I want new stemware
but I have absolutely no business buying more glassware right now
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:35 amnot even on prime day
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:35 amso what you believe a cretinous fraud like Hansen, a criminal fraud like Pachauri, because skydragons are real.
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:36 amIf it is legal, it should not be. If there’s a loophole in the law that lets this slimy gypsy slut get away with what she does, it should be closed.
nk (dbc370) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:42 amYou can always trust content from carlito.
Except when spelling its own name.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:42 amwhat are the consequences of making it illegal will it hurt science and forestall medical advances will it drive scientists overseas and is it really the proper purview of the federal government to regulate this activity or should it be left to the states
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:49 amwill it hurt science and forestall medical advances
No, it won’t, not anymore than shutting down Mengele’s research did.
will it drive scientists overseas
They should not let the TSA fondle their butts on the way out.
and is it really the proper purview of the federal government to regulate this activity or should it be left to the states
nk (dbc370) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:53 amYes. It should be illegal under both federal and state law and the sentences should be served consecutively.
Godwin’s Rule invoked in only 166 comments. Not bad considering the subject matter.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:04 pmi’m concerned that people are going to try and politicize this issue
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:08 pmGodwin can go play with his schickelgrubersanschenfrischenmachergeschafts.
nk (dbc370) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:12 pmsacre bleu
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/07/15/01016-20150715ARTFIG00233-vente-d-organes-de-foetus-la-video-qui-embarrasse-le-planning-familial-americain.php
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:16 pmYou’re not gonna show up at the State Capitol in pink shoes, I hope?
nk (dbc370) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:16 pmmaybe next spring…
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:17 pmwhat’s wrong with these people
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:18 pmIt’s all the fetal pheromones released into the atmosphere from the incinerators.
nk (dbc370) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:22 pmGodwin’s Rule invoked in only 166 comments. Not bad considering the subject matter.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:04 pm
If the pink shoe fits.
Dana (86e864) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:30 pmWell, the O’Keefian strategy of releasing a little, let them fuss about selective editing, then release the whole thing to show them lying as well is a great strategy.
Some how killing millions of innocents kind of warrants at least a Mao reference, if not Nazi, eh?? In fact, they’re probably rivaling Stalin now.
They do not anesthetize the infant.
i think she said they suck the brains out first
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:09 am
How frickin’ considerate of them,
how thoughtful of you to point it out.
When a conscience is seared, it is seared.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:38 pmIBTimes has a piece up about an Auschwitz self-confessed “accountant” being convicted
“…94-year-old SS guard guilty of being accomplice to killing of 300,000 people…”
He’s a piker: J. Harry Blackmum is complicit in the deaths of 57-Million Americans!
askeptic (efcf22) — 7/15/2015 @ 12:51 pmOur Philadelphia physician wrote:
It’s not like this ought to be a surprise to them; they’ve been the victim of this strategy so many times before that anyone with more than a room temperature IQ — an air conditioned room temperature IQ! — should have known this would happen.
But, I s’pose that liars gotta lie when they try to defend themselves, even when they know that they’ll get caught in the lie, figuring that it won’t make a single bit of difference once Hillary! becomes Presidentrix.
The only somewhat amused Dana (f6a568) — 7/15/2015 @ 1:09 pmI made the comment more for the benefit of a previous commenter who invoked O’Keefe as a pejorative.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/15/2015 @ 1:34 pmBeing honest is so much easier, except you need to be concerned about how you live, then.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/15/2015 @ 1:35 pmA keefey poof and a picklehead walk into a bar.
The bartender looks at them and says, “What would you like to drink, gentlemen?”
The keefey poof says, “Hahaha I have this all on camera!!!!!!”
The picklehead looks at the keefey poof for a moment and then turns to the bartender and says, “What do you have on draft?”
happyfeet (831175) — 7/15/2015 @ 1:43 pmThis is not alright with me. I don’t care what the rule book says.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/15/2015 @ 3:18 pmHouse Energy and Commerce and Judiciary committees have announced there will be an investigation into this matter.
No comment from the president or his spokesman.
Dana (86e864) — 7/15/2015 @ 3:56 pmHere’s an example of a case similar to that I mentioned @28:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/30/maryland-abortion-doctors-murder_n_1176209.html
Gosnell was not an outlier. I can recall several cases in which, when authorities were finally prompted to act, they discovered exactly the same thing as at Gosnell’s abattoir. Fetal remains that were preserved.
I can think of no reason why anyone would do this unless those remains were valuable in some sort of sick, twisted trade in those parts.
Exactly what that PP director was discussing on tape.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/15/2015 @ 9:02 pmFirst about the women who have had their aborted children parted out unawares. They’re property was stolen for a criminal enterprise.
Most women in that situation are there because they can’t afford the costs associated with raising a child.
So a civil lawsuit would appeal to their situation. Time to make Planned Parenthood bleed to death in the courts.
What are the odds of City Government in Los Angeles taking a firm action? Will the police be arresting PP ghouls soon?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:18 pmWell now I understand why HappyFascist hates Christians so much. Anything to keep the abortion mill flowing and getting those sacrifices to Moloch.
Disgusting and reprehensible. The death penalty is too good for these filth.
NJRob (2cbf9c) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:22 pmCarlitos, is your name Thuja?
NJRob (2cbf9c) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:31 pmIf no arrests are forthcoming, and the best that elected officials can do is a congressional hearing, I aim to misbehave.
State officials will be made to care about this issue, I guarantee it.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:39 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5lFuTUhso
Paraphrasing William Munny – “Well, they should have armed themselves if they’re going to stuff their pocketbook with the body parts of kids”.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/15/2015 @ 10:55 pmLampshades made out of pig skin with the Planned Parenthood logo tattooed on the side. That would be a good bait to make the liberal press pay attention, for openers.
Agitate. Agitate. Agitate. Repeat and rinse.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:10 pmYes, but so far the discussion has concentrated on PP’s violations of federal laws. Even if the state officials care, they can only prosecute people for violating state laws. So it remains to be seen if the states that are investigating PP (Louisiana and Texas, so far) have similar laws against selling fetal body parts, and modifying abortion techniques specifically to make sure those organs and tissues most in demand by these ghouls are in good condition so they can be sold.
Steve57 (4c9797) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:16 pmSteve57 – if California hasn’t got a rule against this already, then they are an illegitimate government.
Not of the people.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/15/2015 @ 11:36 pmhappyfeet,
Re-read your comment 111. What you would say if I said that to you about SSM?
DRJ (1dff03) — 7/17/2015 @ 6:28 ami’m confuzzled as to how that construction would look
please to explain?
happyfeet (a037ad) — 7/17/2015 @ 7:49 am