The Shooting In A South Carolina Church
[guest post by Dana]
As I am sure you know by now, nine people were shot at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight victims died at the church. The ninth died on the operating table. Six women and three men ranging from ages 25 to 87 years old lost their lives at worship in the house of God. Nine families have now been decimated and will never be the same again.
With that, Dylann Roof, 21, was arrested and is being held in connection with the attack. The gun believed to have been used in the shootings was a recent birthday gift from his father.
An official chillingly said that the assailant methodically kept firing and reloading.
Thirteen people were in the church at the time of the shooting. One of the thirteen was a 5 year old child who miraculously escaped injury by playing dead.
While others have begun to grossly politicize the tragedy and demand more gun control, I am reminded of how fragile this life is, and how quickly it can end.
With that, my deepest prayers for the nine families as they struggle to absorb the shocking news and attempt to make some sort of sense of the tragedy. May God be their strength in a time of deep trouble and terrible sorrow.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 6/18/2015 @ 5:38 pmPoliticize? Seems like this was a pretty political act from the begining.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/18/2015 @ 5:40 pmif he was on pills like how drudge says
maybe his dad is an idiot
a culpable idiot even
we’ll see
it’s too early to know anything
but i wonder
happyfeet (831175) — 6/18/2015 @ 5:46 pmSeems like another senseless racist act.
mg (31009b) — 6/18/2015 @ 5:48 pmThat boy ain’t right, and there’s something strangely peculiar about handing over a .45 handgun as a 21st birthday gift. There’s more here than meets the eye.
ropelight (be0c4b) — 6/18/2015 @ 5:54 pm“Seems like another senseless racist act.”
Oh, do you mean like the Christian-Newsom torture-murders in Knoxville, Tennessee in 2007?
And the perpetrator of the church killings should be executed.
DN (78a7ed) — 6/18/2015 @ 5:55 pmThe President has already strongly intimated that lax gun control laws are to blame, to which Charles Cooke at NRO replies that nothing in the Democrats’ 2013 gun control bills would have prevented this person from engaging in this horrid act.
However, it does sound like this kid had some personal issues, including a couple of drug arrests and a fondness for white supremacy beliefs. As with some of the other deranged miscreants who have engaged in this sort of violence, I wonder if we are doing enough to keep tabs on them. It will be interesting to hear what happened to this guy after his drug busts: was he just processed through the system or was there ever any attempt to intervene and get him to turn his life in a more positive direction?
But the real interesting question is how do we deal with all of these nutballs, especially in light of the self-congratulation that both sides in Washington heaped upon themselves a couple of weeks back when they passed what they insisted was significant “NSA reform.”
JVW (8278a3) — 6/18/2015 @ 5:57 pmThat boy ain’t right, and there’s something strangely peculiar about handing over a .45 handgun as a 21st birthday gift.
Without knowing anything about his family situation I would venture to guess that he’s a dumb peckerwood in a family of dumb peckerwoods.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/18/2015 @ 5:58 pmMaybe the deranged shooter identifies as a female Muslim terrorist trapped in a skinny White boy’s body.
ropelight (be0c4b) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:05 pm6-DN
mg (31009b) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:09 pmNo.
A terrible mass-murder by a psychotic a-hole. Goddam the jackals who try to make this into anything more than that. How quickly people have forgotten about the people tortured and murdered by this animal… all because it doesn’t fit their narrative http://t.co/1pW8YMkZeM
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:17 pmThere doesn’t seem to be any reason, so far, to suppose any such thing.
Senseless, probably, but there doesn’t seem to be any reason to suppose it was racist.
Milhouse (a0cc5c) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:18 pmAccording to one of this guy’s friends who was interviewed by Greta Van Susteren they didn’t hand it over. He stole it, and they didn’t know he had it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcDF_oQ_kt4
They had bought it for him, though. To give these people the benefit of the doubt, their kid may not have told them about the felony drug arrest.
But it seems Dyllan Storm Roof’s friends may have some explaining to do as well. Because this friend knew Roof had taken the gun. I can barely understand what passes for his English, but it sounds like he knew for a couple of months. I don’t know if it’s the same friend, but his roommate knew he was planning to commit a massacre like this for something like six months.
I’d say if Tsarnaev’s dorm mates can go to prison for six years for cleaning out his room and destroying evidence after having certain knowledge he and his brother had committed the Boston Marathon bombing then anybody who helped or at least kept this knowledge to themselves should do some time, too.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:30 pmPrayers for the victims and their families. shame on those that are more concerned with scoring political points than comforting the mourning and seeking after justice.
felipe (56556d) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:34 pmyes plus if you have brunch plans this weekend you night wanna have a plan b
happyfeet (831175) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:36 pmSpeaking of shame, where is Perry’s offer of condolence?
felipe (56556d) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:37 pmIf what I heard on the radio is accurate, he is clearly racist.
Gerald A (6b504a) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:38 pmSuch incidents don’t illustrate why we need more gun control, but they do illustrate why we need more socio-cultural control. Or a society that has stopped dumbing down a sense of shame and reasonable limits of right or wrong, and stops exalting or excusing violent, trashy behavior (hey, those rap lyrics are cool!) and the scroungy people — celebrities and politicians (generally all of the left) included — who glorify in that.
Getting rid of the idiocy of political correctness run amok (hello, Nidal Hassan!) would do a lot more for bettering this nation than banning weapons and bullets.
Mark (a11af2) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:44 pmmy takeaway from this senseless act of violence is that we need more socio-cultural control
happyfeet (831175) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:45 pmI concur. Like this idiot, black racist J.Todd Rutherford, Democratic member of the South Carolina House of Representatives.
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2015/06/south-carolina-state-legislator-blames.html
As DN hinted @6, the problem of black on white crime is far worse. Racially motivated crimes. But the LHMFM won’t report crimes such as the one he mentioned on the national level because of they don’t fit the narrative. When it comes to such crimes people like Rutherford would accuse Fox of racism for even mentioning the back the perps were black and the victims were white.
This was a heinous crime, don’t get me wrong. I hope they execute Dyllan Roof. But if this crime says all you need to know about whites, that they’re all evil (check what the left is saying on social media) then, if we’re going to call entire races evil for the actions of some, then the fact blacks commit violent crimes at 20 times the rate whites do is a far worse condemnation.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:47 pm“There doesn’t seem to be any reason, so far, to suppose any such thing.”
Have you heard about what he said during the shooting? Just wondering.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:55 pmThey use that coded language, they use hate speech, they talk about the president as if he’s not the president.
And notice how most of the people who characterize things in that matter never or rarely focus on or point out the ideology of the individual or people (or president) in question? (If Obama were a rightwing black Republican, Rutherford would be promoting legislation to bring back Jim Crow laws.)
For instance, does anyone ever mention (in the media or even in private) how the mindless liberalism that has pervaded black America over the past 60-plus years hasn’t exactly made it a better, safer, nicer, kinder, gentler, happier, wealthier part of society? Or consider behavior that would have shocked and appalled Americans of all colors, white included, back in, say, the 1950s. Such behavior now barely elicits a raised eyebrow today.
The USA in the 21st century: Desensitized and dumbed down, way down.
Mark (a11af2) — 6/18/2015 @ 6:58 pmhttp://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/01/29/u-students-want-crime-alerts-to-avoid-using-racial-descriptions/
They certainly aren’t against racial descriptions in cases like the SC church massacre? They certainly weren’t against racial profiling when the cops around DC where holding news conferences saying they believed they were looking for a middle aged white guy as their snipe. No one in the media had a problem with racial profiling then.
Sorry. I’m sick of the double standards and the hypocrisy.
My condolences to the victims and their families.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/18/2015 @ 7:06 pmSteve57,
Thanks for your comment. The cowardly and hypocritical media get an attack of the vapors when “they don’t fit the narrative” as you say.
DN (78a7ed) — 6/18/2015 @ 7:33 pmBut if this crime says all you need to know about whites, that they’re all evil (
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 6/18/2015 @ 7:37 pmBut if this crime says all you need to know about whites, that they’re all evil (
Perhaps we can start a meme on the evil propensity of people named Dylan or variants therefore to commit mass murder. Makes as much sense.
(Apologies for previous comment. Hit the wrong button.)
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 6/18/2015 @ 7:41 pmI heard the President talk about how other developed nations don’t have these problems, but he should probably check in with the Finns and Swedes. The Russians would be in there too, but to be honest, who call tell the difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian anyway?
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/18/2015 @ 7:59 pmAnd those Rwandans with the machetes in the churches back in his fathers day were…. not developed… And still aren’t. But at least the Rwandans had the decency not to use a firearm… that, that, would get a stern rebuke
I think we could start a meme about how the middle name of “Wayne” should be outlawed.
It’s like setting your kid up to be a killer.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/18/2015 @ 8:01 pmFor that matter what about Chenchens and Russian schoolchildren?
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/18/2015 @ 8:03 pmIt could be that Russian special forces have killed more Russians than Chenchens, but clearly Russia needs another reset button before they can charitably be described as developed
I’m amazed that none of the parishioners tried to defend their preacher. It’s like somebody took away their guns or something. (/s)
Aonghus (df77f2) — 6/18/2015 @ 8:37 pmWho’s brave enough to click on 30? Anyone?
[Note: I killed the spam message, so the new #30 is not the message to which Gazzer is referring. – JVW]
Gazzer (be559b) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:02 pmI am stunned, stunned I say, that after all these years of a post-racial President and all these years of ass holes like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Elijah Cummings and all those clowns who say they’ve been spit on when they weren’t or called names when it’s a lie, racial animosity still exists. Well hell, I’d have figured that after a century and a half of beating into whites how guilty they should be on a daily basis they’d have gotten the point by now and just committed mass suicide over what happened in 1860. The fact this nasty little white boy was able to walk around with is white privilege is why this happens.
Between the “community organizers”, the politicians, the media and the leftist academics everything in America is racist, every white person is racist and they wonder how crap like this happens.
They keep beating this racist drum they will continue to reap the racist fury. Even the headline: White man murders 9 Blacks”. Are you kidding? If it were reversed would it read “Black man kills 9 Whites”? I seriously doubt it. It is a horrible racist act and we will continue to have horrible racist acts as long as these antagonists have us looking at everything through the race card. When they’re no longer African-Americans and rather pure Americans it will end. If you draw a target around yourself don’t be surprised when some fool aims at it.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:14 pmHe did think black people were taking over the country. Like you, he blamed his victims.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:22 pmLooking at this kid and reading the story, I will bet real money that he is psychotic but, instead of talking about mental health, we are blathering on about racism and “hate crimes.”
Many parents try to get help for psychotic kids but some are clueless and that seems to be the case here.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:34 pmI earlier mentioned that the kid was probably a peckerwood from a peckerwood family. I might have been too hasty. There are reports like the one that Steve57 mentions that suggest that the gun was in fact not a gift from his father. As the NRO article I linked to above points out, if the gun had been a gift then the father could face up to 10 years in prison for giving a firearm to someone awaiting a felony trial (for his earlier drug bust). One of the articles suggests that the killer was raised in a two-parent home with a working father who was a contractor.
I wonder if we are going to find out that Dylann Roof was one of those kids who had been on various hypertension and ADD drugs since he was a young boy. It will also be interesting to hear how he apparently got caught up with white supremacy groups. It may yet turn out that his parents were negligent or too permissive, but I’m now willing to wait until all the facts are in.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:44 pmI guess it is human nature to wish to require and impose a finer sieve upon us all so as to catch society’s detritus like this one more crazy 16-24 year old.
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:45 pmThis morning my eyes were misting with tears for the families…. then I heard the President… to be clear…. decide never to let a crisis pass without pushing along his social agenda.
Then I tune in one of the operatives pushing the Australian confiscation solution and go “in the name of all that is holy, can you frickin at least wait until the ambulance leaves before running circles around it…” I don’t know how it was taught around the Harvard Review, but it is bad form to chase the ambulances, but worse form to front run them out the gate
Unlike him, and you, we are blaming the people responsible. The criminals, and the professional agitators who stir up the criminal element. That includes President Prom Queen.
Apparently the Louisville, KY PD has run out of patience with people demonizing police as a whole. And society. As have I.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/18/louisville-kentucky-police-respond-to-attacks-against-policing-flag-pole-attack-open-letter-to-public/#more-102555
The open letter is quite good. Barack Obama has deliberately set back rack relations 50 years and I’m sick of it. The letter mentions him, but not by name.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:46 pmHe probably thought it was time for “no more.” You do know this church has a history that white supremacy might describe as, well, “agitators” or “sensationalists” or even “race baiters”
stir (0f3b82) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:52 pm“Stir” is imdw, and it’s passive aggressive you are racists nonsense really never gets old. It was especially cute how he wailed about this being politicized while attempting to do just that.
JD (a17910) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:53 pmImdw, kind of like Obama, needs dead people’s graves to stand on. It is revolting. Never let a crisis go to waste. Politicize everything. Blame republicans for everything. Demonize opponents. It is what they do.
JD (a17910) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:57 pmLiterally, people, including a politician, killed for ideological reasons. Politicized.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/18/2015 @ 9:58 pmMike K @ #34 Precisely.
In my neighborhood, boys began receiving real guns as presents beginning around their 12th birthday (at least the lucky ones). Guns make great gifts.
ThOR (b81f2a) — 6/18/2015 @ 10:03 pmConcur. And this is why I enjoyed that open letter from Louisville PD. Or, more accurately, the FOP lodge that is made up of the rank and file members of the Louisville PD.
Barack Obama ran on a lot of lies. One is that he’d be ushering in a post-racial America. No, instead he made things worse.
It isn’t just that he’s given the green light to leftists to crawl out of the woodwork. Salon, I believe, has a headline up about how “White America Needs to Answer” for the Charleston massacre. Really? No, Dyllan Roof needs to answer for that crime. And any of his enablers, if their crimes can be proven.
These people on the left are no longer shy about their expressing their race-based hatreds. Don’t think that’s a coincidence. One of Obama’s “solutions” to the Freddie Gray riots is to fund the same community
agitationorganizing groups that pays people to turn protests violent.To use my tax dollars to make race relations worse.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/18/2015 @ 10:12 pmThe (I presume) booking picture of this shooter shows him with the same “crazy-eyes” stare that Adam Lanza had.
Not that I know-for-a-fact about THIS dude, but it seems there have been a lot of “late-teens-early-20’s” guys who were prescribed anti-depressants and somehow went off the deep end, turning into mass murderers.
Seems to me that *THAT* is a national discussion that this country ought to have….
A_Nonny_Mouse (1ea78a) — 6/18/2015 @ 10:17 pmTo steal a meme of this week,
seeRpea (0cf003) — 6/18/2015 @ 10:18 pmtoday the regular Pattericos were black parishioners.
You kind of start out being able to simulate a sane human being. But you quickly degenerate and become to true to form. Bat guano grazy.
No one was calling the members of that Charleston church any of those things.
Just the circling vultures. Of which you are now officially one such vulture. See, it isn’t “white supremacy” or “white privilege” that allows me to see through your act and recognize you for the coward and hypocrite that you are. Like all the other vultures.
Which is actually an insult to vultures as, unlike stir, vultures perform a useful ecological role.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/18/2015 @ 10:21 pmLiterally some nut killed people, including a politician, killed by insanity. But let’s call it political so everyone on the left can feel good about politicizing the tragedy. Disgusting ghouls being disgusting ghouls.
Why, stir, don’t you go back to the sewer you live in and pass happy death sauce to your roach friends who lap it up with glee and vigor while families mourn.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 6/18/2015 @ 10:30 pmhttp://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=357413
I wish I could just treat this as a human tragedy. Unfortunately the stoopid come crawling out of the woodwork at times like these, trying to hang the blame on their favorite political target.
I especially loved this peace of stupidity.
Neither. Neither one of these men are being arrested for mass murder. One is being arrested, but resisting, but not for mass murder. One has already been arrested and cuffed. And is being transported to a lock-up.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/18/2015 @ 10:36 pmThere is a constant that tells us everything is right in the world.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 6/18/2015 @ 10:51 pmhttps://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/demetrius_blackwell_0503.jpg?w=625&h=352&crop=1
Demetrius Blackwell, cop killer who shot NYPD Officer Brian Moore in the face, experiencing all the “white privilege” Dyllan Roof got.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/18/2015 @ 11:00 pmAbout the parents: anyone who names their kid Whatever Storm Roof has got to have a few marbles missing. They’re just lucky he didn’t shoot them first.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/18/2015 @ 11:30 pm“No one was calling the members of that Charleston church any of those things.”
How can you be so sure? You’re familiar with the dead? The rallies they held over police shootings? People that agitate over that stuff sometimes get called, well, “professional agitators who stir up the criminal element.”
stir (0f3b82) — 6/18/2015 @ 11:41 pmstir, I’m sure. Point out any comment on this thread where anyone accused the victims of this crime “agitators,” etc.
You can’t do it, dirt bag. At best you can point out where I accused Obama of being a race baiter and an an agitator.
Which makes my point, dirt bag.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:40 amPeople like you who hide behind the dead sometimes get called hypocrites, liars, and cowards.
And people like you who hide behind the dead deserve to receive more insults than that.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:45 amHide? The more I find out about Emanuel AME, the more I think they were doing great work, like they did throughout their history. And the more I fear that’s why the killer drove hours from his home to target them. It wouldn’t be the first time white supremacy has targeted this church, for political reasons, for doing things that white supremacy prefers that black people not do.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 3:42 amoh my goodness america is so divided and hateful just like a third whirl butthole country
but that shouldn’t stop anyone from enjoying the brief respite of summer
winter’s a’comin’ you know
summer days make me feel fine plus also jasmine
happyfeet (831175) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:02 amstir, you’re scum.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-dylann-roof-ranted-about-race-20150618-story.html
And this is what you produce when scum like you claim #OnlyBlackLivesMatter.
More scum. Like you.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:09 amYou elect scum like Obama. You are scum, like you. What do you expect?
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:10 amAnd quite hiding behind the dead, stir.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:10 am@55 is probably the most deliberately obtuse comment I’ve witnessed on this board. According to his friend he didn’t go to that church because of any “work” that church had done. He had gone to that church because of the toxic white hatred that has been legitimatized by stir and his buddy Obama.
This is not to excuse what he did. I hope they execute him. But like the Louisville cops I’m not going to let stir and Obama off the the hook either. They are evil, as well.
Keep digging your hole, stir. Quite hiding behind the dead and pretending I’m talking about them. When I’m pointing about truths about you, and your hatreds.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:17 amYou do know that the reverend of this church, killed at the shooting, led rallies about police shootings of black people, right?
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:18 amI’ve prayed for ISIS, for the Lord to change their hearts. I will pray for you, stir, that you will repent of your evil and hatred and turn away from it.
I will start now.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:23 amHe did have the flag of toxic white hatred on his car. And it still flies at the state capitol. Emanuel AME had suffered at the hands of toxic white hatred in the past. And it did again this week.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:24 amYou should pray for that reverend. That his good works continue. That his works triumph over those of his killer.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:25 amWhen I pray for you to turn away from your hatred, stir, I will also be praying for the reverend’s good works to continue. They’re one and the same. I realize you you can’t see that now. Because, hatred; evil.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:27 amIt blinds you.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:28 amSounds great. We will indeed be well when Clementa triumphs.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:43 amNo, when the Lord triumphs we will be well.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:45 am— “Let’s be clear—this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries.”
— What was your golf score today, Mr. President?
Most – successful – welfare – recipient – in – history.
nk (dbc370) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:54 amHe’s not on the side of white supremacy either.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 4:55 amMonsters aren’t born. They are forged in the fires of injustice.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:11 amHate crime is just short hand for “It’s a white guy. We can charge him double”.
There’s another blind one for you steveo
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:18 amWhole lists of words that can’t be used on pain of continued existence and prosperity.
A one way list. It’s only white people who are told they have no freedoms of speech, no freedoms of association. If you say this or that we’ll kick you off the net. And so on and so forth.
Imagine a world where the white majority had something approaching the righteous indignation and sense of entitlement that the black minority displays on a daily basis.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:22 amRemember, stir is Imdw. And this is all performance art for trolls. Passive aggressive asshattery, politicizing the mass murder of people, attempting to lay blame for his actions onto political opponents. It is noxious. Gross. And what stir and Obama do.
JD (a17910) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:25 amThey cheer for this. For once, they don’t have to make up a faux hate crime. They do have to lie and make the actions and values of one as representative of the whole. Today comes the laundry list of root causes that they will blame on Palin, Trump, teabaggers, voting rights, and divisive rhetoric.
JD (a17910) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:30 amWhat’s amazing is that this is the response to a crime that clearly exemplies the opposite of what you’re talking about.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:30 am“Guns make great gifts.”
I got my first gun, a .410 shotgun and .22 rifle double barrel, when I was 9.
Fortunately, I wasn’t crazy.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:31 amDid you know that Mexico declared war on America after the annexation of Texas into the United States by President John Tyler. That they were the belligerent party of the Mexican American war?
It’s part of the sort of bending over backwards that we go through to get along with other people.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:35 am“attempting to lay blame for his actions onto political opponents. ”
Have you gone blind? Did you read this?
“Unlike him, and you, we are blaming the people responsible. The criminals, and the professional agitators who stir up the criminal element. That includes President Prom Queen.”
“And this is what you produce when scum like you claim #OnlyBlackLivesMatter.”
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:35 ampulled you out of the woodwork didn’t it?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:41 amI tossed in a few extra Hail Marys and Our Fathers after praying for the souls of the dead in Charleston. And their families. And then praying for ISIS. I always took the “live by the sword, die by the sword” admonition to mean that I shouldn’t just trust in my temporal weapons, but rather my spiritual ones.
A few extra for stir. And a couple for me, for letting the troll irritate me.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 5:42 amLet’s keep track of what’s going on. Recall this Salon headline after the Boston Marathon bombing, by David Sirota.
No link. I’m not sending traffic their way. Search on the title.
Because lefties feel really, really good hating white America. And now they have a white American scumbag, and Salon is demanding the whole of white America answer for this crime.
Because they are in love with their hate of white America. And now David Sirota thinks they’ve “got us.”
Sorry, IMDW, you don’t “got us.” But hate away.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 6:35 amImdw – take your ghoulish dark soul somewhere that appreciates your contemptible words.
JD (eda6ad) — 6/19/2015 @ 6:35 amand wipe the seat off before you leave!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/19/2015 @ 6:47 amYou don’t have to go Salon when this is right here for you to read:
“Unlike him, and you, we are blaming the people responsible. The criminals, and the professional agitators who stir up the criminal element. That includes President Prom Queen.”
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 6:47 amCorrect.
And…
You’re still here, why?
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 6:54 amthat’s why I pointed out Lumberjack Loomis, as the carrier of this meme, earlier,
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/19/2015 @ 6:55 amNext thing you know IMDW will be trying to say Al Sharpton and his National Action Network aren’t professional agitators.
When the only reason he owes $4.5 mil in back taxes is because he is a professional agitator.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 6:56 amstir – Why do you hate black people and Joooos?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:08 amPeople that agitate over that stuff sometimes get called, well, “professional agitators who stir up the criminal element.”
So you think the church and its pastor were in the mold of the one managed by Jeremiah Wright? Do you think most of such people ever cringe when dealing with Wright’s theology and ideology?
You think the murderer would have been willing to carry out the same rampage at a black church run by staunch, anti-liberal conservatives? By the same token, liberal/leftwing agitators (black and white, etc) rarely, if ever, become indignant towards whites (or others) who they admire politically. Hence, Bill Clinton being labeled by some in that group as America’s “first black president.”
Notice how the media does back flips to avoid describing the racial background of suspects and victims in virtually any other news report except the one involving the church in Charleston?
Coincidence?
BTW, I don’t mind phony-baloney liberals like you just as long as you don’t also buy into the notion that you’re imbued with a special layer of humanity, compassion, decency, generosity and sophistication.
Mark (a11af2) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:20 amstir is just grateful to have another tragedy to exploit.
MLK would be proud of stir and other deviant progressives assigning behavior to skin color.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:23 amunlike steve57, i do not pray for stir/IMMDW/whoever the person pretends to be today .
seeRpea (0cf003) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:31 ambecause i don’t think people like him are serious, but are just people with poor sense of decent humor and are fooling around.
And if they aren’t kidding but are really serious?
Then they are beyond any redemption someone else’s prayer can provide.
“Notice how the media does back flips to avoid describing the racial background of suspects and victims in virtually any other news report except the one involving the church in Charleston?”
Do you really not see how race plays a part in this story? The shooter is said to have wanted to start a race war. Is it that important that white supremacy remain invisible? Foxnews tried for a bit to call this an “attack on faith.” Don’t know if even they have given up.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:50 am“Do you really not see how race plays a part in this story? The shooter is said to have wanted to start a race war. Is it that important that white supremacy remain invisible?”
stir – Are you seriously ascribing the shooter’s motives to all white people? How big is this “white supremacy” movement you cite. Please show your work.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:55 amBig enough to kill 9 and fly its flag at the statehouse.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:57 am#IdentityPoliticsMatter
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:57 amIs it possible for an individual to have personal racist beliefs all on his own, and commit murderous acts, without being part of a bigger political group?
Seems to me I hear the expression “lone wolf” used a lot when some people shoot a bunch of people. Is there a reason this term isn’t apt here? Is there evidence that this shitbird was aided-and-abetted by some sort of criminal conspiracy or , dare I say, some sort of book or ideology?
Pious Agnostic (7eb3b0) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:58 am“Big enough to kill 9 and fly its flag at the statehouse.”
stir – Idiot. You have nothing.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:58 amrace plays a part in every story anymore
it goes race race race race pickles pickles race race pickles race pickles race income equality pickles trannies
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/19/2015 @ 7:58 amMatter? This guy’s identity politics killed!
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:03 amWe should ban identify politics, then. You first.
Pious Agnostic (7eb3b0) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:04 amHow is white supremacy invisible? Between the professional agitators and their leftist enablers we’re reminded how bad white people are daily. BTW, 57 blacks have been murdered by other blacks since the church shooting (they average 19 a day). Must be black racism and black supremacy.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:05 ambut what about the millions of unborn african americans what are killed every year in this country
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:05 am“Matter? This guy’s identity politics killed!”
stir – So you believe every white person wants to kill nine black people?
Seek help.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:06 amStir when you see the stars and bars flying at the state house you see a sign of racism and white supremacy. It figures since you’re apparently ignorant that the flag was a flag of secession and states rights. I fly a Gadsden flag at my house does that make me a British hater?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:10 amit was Fritz Hollings, who put that flag up as Governor, odd no one asked him about that,
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:14 amAs a true leftist even in the face of this murder you just can’t bring yourself to put the blame on the person. His politics didn’t kill anybody. His politics are inanimate. He killed 9 people. Not his politics, not his gun, not his parent. And Jenner is a GUY! Know the truth and be free.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:15 am“stir – So you believe every white person wants to kill nine black people?”
I think you have a problem understanding the english language.
“Stir when you see the stars and bars flying at the state house you see a sign of racism and white supremacy. It figures since you’re apparently ignorant that the flag was a flag of secession and states rights.”
You should read the South Carolina ordinance on secession if you’re wondering what they were seceeding over.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:16 amso who’s to say, but that doesn’t make sense either:
http://www.weaselzippers.us/226893-charleston-shooter-bought-gun-at-store-passed-background-check/
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:20 amSorry. Not the ordinance. The Declaration of immediate causes. They actually point to how New York didn’t allow one the “right of transit for a slave.” State’s rights. Give me a break.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:21 am“I think you have a problem understanding the english language.”
stir – I think you are a deeply disturbed individual blinded by irrational hate.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:21 am“The Declaration of immediate causes.”
stir – How long ago was that? Is the Declaration still in effect?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:24 amI know exactly whet they were seceding over, stir. Do you? It was called states rights. A concept far and away from anything leftists could comprehend.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:24 amstir – What about the Crusades?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:24 amI realize you racists want to continue the Civil War on strictly a racial level but the war is over, we won. Since the end of that war we Republicans, the party of anti-slavery, has been trying to quell the racist tendencies of the democrats. We eat back the democrats KKK and Jim Crow, eliminated their lynching’s and busted their segregationist proclivities. However, even today we can’t seem to get the racists to stop seeing racism everywhere they want to “stir” up trouble. So now you give me a break.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:29 amAnd stir, as a transracial black reverend I resent a little white cracker like yourself lecturing me about racism. Go sing that tune to your leftist pals.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:36 am“I know exactly whet they were seceding over, stir. Do you? It was called states rights. A concept far and away from anything leftists could comprehend.”
I urge you to read SC’s declaration. Can you spot the section where they complain about northern states excercising their rights? It starts with:
“The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them.”
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:37 amwell lets be blunt, slavery was on the mind of the confederate legislature, the Brits and the French relied on the cotton therein, but most rank and file southerners didn’t own slaves,
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:42 amIt goes on. They even complain that Northern states permit abolitionist movements to exist, and that they welcome escaped slaves!
“Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection. “
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:50 am“I urge you to read SC’s declaration. Can you spot the section where they complain about northern states excercising their rights?”
stir – Now you are defending slavery and discrimination by Democrats in the South? Can you actually formulate a coherent reason you are trolling this thread?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:52 amI defend defeating the confederacy. Thanks. I know partisanship is important to some folks but defeat of the confederacy is a bigger deal.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 8:55 amCNN is reporting this morning:
That’s different from earlier reports that the father bought his son a .45 for his birthday. Seems to me that the facts might not all be in yet.
The journalist Dana (f6a568) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:02 am“I defend defeating the confederacy. Thanks.”
stir – But you defend continued Democrat discrimination and White Supremacy? Can’t you make up your mind?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:04 amMeanwhile, back in 2015.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:05 amHow did you come to imagine that when I mentioned white supremacy, that that was in a favorable light?
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:06 amMr Tiger wrote:
Let’s see, he’s facing nine separate capital offenses; can we somehow double up on execution?
The mathematician Dana (f6a568) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:06 am“Meanwhile, back in 2015.”
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie – Stop that! stir wants to ignore the left’s history of racial discrimination oppression.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:08 amStir, at this point I have no idea what you’re talking about. Or is that your point? Hell, what is your point?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:09 am“How did you come to imagine that when I mentioned white supremacy, that that was in a favorable light?”
stir – Simple. You hate black people and defend the left’s indefensible support of racial oppression.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:10 amI’m trying to remember: is Governor Nikki Haley’s signature on the South Carolina Declaration of Secession? Is there one person alive today who signed or voted on that, or who served in one of the Confederate armies?
The Confederate Dana (f6a568) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:13 amHoagie, having been shown his history is wrong, wants to go back to 2015 where he can continue to be wrong.
“stir – Simple. You hate black people and defend the left’s indefensible support of racial oppression.”
Yes that’s why I want the confederate flag gone. Gotcha!
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:14 am” Is there one person alive today who signed or voted on that, or who served in one of the Confederate armies?”
Doubtful. But there are people today who will lie (or be wrong) about what the secession was about. On this very thread, even.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:16 ami wish i was in the land of cotton cause of old times there are not forgotten
but chicago will have to do this morning i walked out me apartment
and lil baby bunnies were hop hop hoppering around the courtyard and i saw the most bright red cardinal you ever seen
i felt like snow white
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:24 amstir – How about congratulating law enforcement on capturing Roof so quickly?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:32 am“Yes that’s why I want the confederate flag gone. Gotcha!”
stir – Yes, we must erase the past. Moron
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:33 amlaw enforcement probably just got lucky Mr. daley even a blind squirrel can enjoy a tasty burger if he’s got uber eats
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:55 amHate, daley. That’s his only coherent reason.
I’m going to briefly hijack the thread. Bookworm Room has a nice write up of the dinner commemorating 73rd anniversary of the Battle of Midway at the Marine Memorial Club in SF this past June 4th.
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/06/07/another-splendid-evening-commemorating-the-battle-of-midway/
She includes the famous photo of Hillary! and Barry and Joe et al sitting off (not in!) the situation room while better men kill OBL. Hillary! will try to sell this picture of dysfunction as a plus. It isn’t. It’s a disaster.
On a personal note:
What with my dad who would have been the younger man (he would have been 15 at Midway) it’s sad seeing these guys go. Or, maybe it’s not sad. It’s just life. Back in the 80s lots of Midway vets would show up, when I finished in 2008 still a few would, and now, one.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 10:06 amHijack off.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 10:06 amWhat other parts of US history do you want to see “gone.” The USS Missouri towed out to sea and sunk because somebody might be offended?
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 10:18 amhere is a story about midway Mr. 57
Lost My Cookies says June 19, 2015 at 7:55 am
At the museum on NAS Pensacola they have the last aircraft known to be a survivor of the battle of Midway. When it landed it had over 200 bullet holes.
Before Midway, the Japanese Empire had been expanding, arguably, since 1912. After Midway it had three years left to exist.
Before Midway the US had suffered a string of humiliating defeats and stalemates. After Midway victory was certain, it was just a matter of time.
My 14 year old son, who knew nothing about the battle of Midway was amazed that there was only one plane left of the hundreds in the battle and asked the docent why only one reminder of such a world-changing battle. The docent told him that they weren’t there to change the world, they were just there to put it back the way it should be.
I had never thought of it that way.
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/19/2015 @ 10:37 amSound like Ensign Albert Earnest’s Avenger. He brought back the only surviving aircraft of VT-8’s attack that morning. Of course, LCDR Waldron led VT-8’s TBD Devastators off the carrier that morning. But ENS Earnest was part of a TBF Avenger detachment flying from Midway. Led by LT Langdon Fieberling.
http://valor.militarytimes.com/recipient.php?recipientid=19951
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:04 amPrayers, and my condolences to those nine and those who knew and loved them.
It’s beginning to look like he fell through the coordination of the courts and the background check. Pending felony trial as a defendant is normally a disqualifer.
Or he lied.
htom (4ca1fa) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:06 amI’m sorry snowflake, the Civil War was about white supremacy not states rights. Feel better? You’re right and I’m wrong. I hate to ruffle up the kids on the other team. Now will you please tell me what you’re talking about without going in circles and without going off topic?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:07 amBasically Albert Earnest got two Navy Crosses. One for going out. And One for coming back. And no one figured out how he did the latter.
His plane was so shot up he was just trying to trim it to adjust her attitude so he could ditch it. And it flew! She gained altitude and responded to the trim tabs. So he went with the trim tabs, and got her back.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:12 amThe Civil War was about Democrats crying like little girls because their guy didn’t win the presidency, so they decided to take their slaves and go home.
Pious Agnostic (7eb3b0) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:22 am@139, was it an Avenger, Mr. feets?
I know they made a point of bringing ENS Earnest’s plane back so Grumman could study it. The marines sleeping on deck of the same transport woke up covered in blood as a rain squall washed what was left out of his .50 cal gunner out of the turret onto the deck where they were trying to sleep. It was a hot night, and you couldn’t sleep below.
His name was Aviation Mechanic’s Mate 3/c J.D. Manning.
Radioman 3/c Harry H. Ferrier did survive, in the belly of the plane, though not without injury. He was knocked out for a while.
This was what his plane looked like when he finally landed it.
http://ww2.dcmilitary.com/images/tester060409_photos/7981_512.jpg
The tarp was there because the marines on Midway didn’t think it was decent to see what was in that turret. Can’t say I blame them.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:27 amAs far as I remember, the last mass murder committed with the intent of starting a race war was planned by Charles Manson (of course inspired by the Beatles),or did I miss one?
If this fellow committed mass murder with the intent of starting a race war, as some rumor has said, I suggest his reasoning was about as cogent as Manson’s, until proven otherwise.
In fact, maybe the reminder of Manson with Bugliosi’s death was an inspiration.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:38 amSo it is the fault of the NYT obituary columnist.
not sure Mr. 57… Mr. Cookies might know I guess I’ll put a link over there
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:39 amwell there’s that series on NBC, produced by Yglesias pere, but they haven’t gotten to that part yet, also the Aurora trial is underway,
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:42 amMy claim to fame @ the P’cola aviation museum, Mr. feets, is that my name is misspelled as carved into one of the tables of the mock up of the Cubi Point Officer’s Club bar.
My mom is so proud. But at least I’ve got my name in a museum.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:52 amThey do still have the Cubi Point O’club dealio?
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 11:53 amthat’s so cool I’m for sure not museum material
I love love love Pensacola though but more the place than the people, which is ok
a lot of places are like that but at least in Pensacola you don’t pay state income tax
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:00 pmOh, yeah. I should have researched it myself.
http://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/attractions/cubi-bar-cafe/
I think my name is misspelled on one of the plaques. I know my name was misspelled on our squadron table, but I think all that remains are the plaques. And the misspellings.
I’ll always have a soft spot for the Philippines, but our nickname for the place was “The Land of Not Quite Right.”
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:06 pmParts of this thread remind me of the Dilbert cartoon featuring “Dick the internet guy” from June 7, 2015. You’re welcome.
http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-07
elissa (65598a) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:08 pmIf it makes you feel better, the curators just don’t know me.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:09 pmmuch of the nazgul’s material, seems to be from this offering, contained therein,
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/06/rape-hoax-mag-blames-all-conservatives-for-charleston-church-shooting/
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:11 pmIt’s like they’re all marching out of Mordor, narcisso.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:19 pmhe was part of Chris Hughes crib of misunderstanding,
http://www.newrepublic.com/authors/jeb-lund
also Al Ghuardian’s US correspondent, dialing to eleven indeed,
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:23 pmAfter Dolezal and Jenner I became convinced someone had dialed it way beyond 11. Now it goes all the way past 12 to FABULOUS!
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 12:32 pmIf you want to learn about a racially motivated South Carolina murder, Google “Allison Griffor.”
Why isn’t it a major national news story?
DN (78a7ed) — 6/19/2015 @ 3:34 pmDN @159, you know why.
And, drumroll please…
MD in Philly was right about not commenting too early on this shooting.
http://neoneocon.com/2015/06/19/the-msm-cant-get-it-right-about-the-gun/#comments
On my part it’s just a WAG at this point. But from the tidbits of information it appears to me the family didn’t give this peckerwood a .45. But that this peckerwood knew where to steal one.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/19/2015 @ 9:00 pmMD in Philly was right about not commenting too early
I was just pointing out the obvious as a reminder to myself as well as others, and to make a statement for those inclined to claim our lack of comment demonstrated a lack of concern.
I’m still interested in knowing if he had a digital copy of the White Album.
Is Manson allowed to receive and send mail??
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/20/2015 @ 10:11 ami hope he has allergies to peabnut bubber and they cut the crusts off his baloney sammich just like he likes it but with the knife they just made big daddy cellmaster’s pb&j with and he’s all like gwap gwap can’t breev gwap snorfle gwap thud
happyfeet (831175) — 6/20/2015 @ 10:44 amBased on the following — and pointing out cases like rampaging-killer Elliot Rodger, the son of the Hollywood director, or the US military’s Nidal Hassan — the core of all this is a society that has become increasingly desensitized, effete and shock-proof. Socially-politically schizoid (good is bad, bad is good) and far too permissive about and tolerant of dysfunction. So very easygoing about behavior that would have been quite shocking and unacceptable decades ago—eg, try to envision a public figure like Bill Clinton, hugged and feted through thick or thin, or the casual extremism and scroungy life history of a Barack Obama in the White House in the context of this culture over 50 years ago.
Mark (a11af2) — 6/20/2015 @ 10:48 amWhen he got upset, Roof would retreat to his car, blasting a cassette tape of opera.
this is rapidly turning into a gus van sant movie
happyfeet (831175) — 6/20/2015 @ 10:54 amhttp://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/06/liberal-hypocrisy-in-two-tweets.php
NOT off topic. Completely on point, and it displays they cultural Marxist mindset of the hypocritical left perfectly.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/20/2015 @ 12:25 pmHis manifesto is out. You don’t have to try to keep this from being a racist attack anymore.
stir (0f3b82) — 6/20/2015 @ 12:32 pmthat doesn’t explain why he’s listening to cassette tapes
this is so effing strange
happyfeet (831175) — 6/20/2015 @ 12:37 pmSteve57 @ 160 and MD,
I absolutely agree regarding the need to avoid hysterical speculation and unconfirmed accusations and statement in the shooting this early in the aftermath. While so much is still not confirmed, nor even known, caution is the watchword. With that, I tried to be careful in my post and focus primarily on the devastating loss, the miraculous life of a 5 year old, and contrast it all with the crass politicization taking place immediately after the attack.
I would note that in reference to the gun, the statement made in the post regarding the gun also came from an unidentified law enforcement official who was quoted by the Los Angeles Times:
Can you explain why CNN is given more credibility than the LAT?
Dana (86e864) — 6/20/2015 @ 12:37 pmAs I went through the killer’s manifesto, the combination of lunacy and venom (ie, non-qualified blanket repudiations of people, contempt towards the US flag), reflecting the coarseness and crudeness of political extremists on the left and right, and clumsy candor, in which race is emphasized and ideology is virtually ignored, seems fitting in the context of America 2015.
Some of the observations are nuanced enough that they’re not too different from the publicly aired comments of “shock jock” Howard Stern, who has relayed his own experiences growing up in a part of New York City that went from predominantly white to mostly black.
The killer’s assessment of Jews, Latinos and Asians doesn’t necessarily fit within the traditional framework of garden-variety bigots (of white or black, etc), and are mimicked — consciously or unconsciously — by the behavior of more than a small number of whites, liberal ones in particular.
For example, there is a pleasant, conveniently located, predominantly black community in Los Angeles (originally an upper-income, largely white residential area) that has remained mostly mono-racial over the past 50-plus years, ever since its demographics changed to mostly black following the Watts riots. Affluent whites in the LA area who embrace the ethos of Hollywood liberalism continue to vote with their feet and the moving van, assuming many of them, when searching for a house to buy, are familiar with the neighborhood in question but choose to bypass it.
The murderer’s casual use of the “n” word is done with traditionally bigoted rage, set against the backdrop of a society in which rap-music lyrics exploit a similar crudeness and America’s “first black president,” Bill Clinton, is known to sputter that same crassness when expressing anger at certain individuals.
Mark (a11af2) — 6/20/2015 @ 3:13 pmwhy would you read his manifesto
happyfeet (831175) — 6/20/2015 @ 3:14 pmDana @168, one reason the CNN report appeared more credible is that they haven’t charged Roof’s father with any crimes.
Another is that as more information was released that information corroborated the CNN report. I referred to tidbits of information. It wasn’t just the CNN report by it’s lonesome that led me to suspect what I suspected. Shortly after I commented @160 this report confirmed information corroborating the CNN report are actually in affidavits among the court documents.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/19/dylann-roof-charleston-police-charged–murder-black-church/28975573/
My WAG was largely correct. The original report apparently was garbled, perhaps because the LAT’s law enforcement source wasn’t actually part of the investigation. Dyllan Roof’s father didn’t tell authorities that he had bought his son a handgun for his birthday. Merely that he was aware he owned one.
Apparently I overstated the case when I said Dyllan Roof knew where he could steal a gun. He didn’t precisely steal it. He paid for it. But I’m perplexed by the statement that he had “legally obtained a handgun earlier this year using money likely provided as a birthday gift from his family.” He was charged with a felony in February, a month and a half before his birthday. So he could not legally obtain any firearm or ammunition after that point. It’s a federal law. One may continue to possess any firearm or ammunition already owned (this is why Rick Perry still has his guns, although his concealed carry license was revoked per state law) but people charged with a felony are prohibited from receiving any new firearms and ammunition.
If he legally obtained the handgun, he would have had to have obtained it before he caught his felony charge. So he couldn’t have used money given to him as a birthday gift which would have been a couple of months away. If he used his birthday money then he didn’t legally obtain the gun.
Doing so would be a felony in it’s own right. Perhaps there’s no state law that duplicates the federal law, so the state couldn’t charge him with that crime. But the feds could. I don’t see why they wouldn’t.
Apparently, if it’s indeed true that he bought the gun in April with his birthday money, if you’re charged with a felony you can still pass a NICS check. It’s been a while since I’ve bought a gun (what do you get the man who has everything) but he may not have even lied on the form or the gun store clerk if the form only asks if the purchaser has been convicted of a crime.
Still, the fact that the feds wouldn’t pursue a slam dunk case that he violated the federal statute that prohibits people who’ve been charged with a felony from purchasing firearms and ammunition is telling. They almost never enforce the laws already on the books. For instance, according to DoJ statistics thousands of NICS checks are rejected because the system determines the applicant has lied on the form. Such as certifying they’ve never been convicted of a felony when they have been. Yet the DoJ only prosecutes a few dozen such cases a year, and falsifying the form for any reason is a felony. A separate felony then the one Dyllan Roof appears to have committed, but still a violation of federal laws concerning gun purchases.
The goal of course is to make it appear as if there are no such laws and we need new ones.
Steve57 (48418e) — 6/21/2015 @ 2:23 amThe MFM is a bunch of lying jackals.
JD (3b5483) — 6/21/2015 @ 5:42 am