“Caitlyn Jenner” And The “New” Normal
[guest post by Dana]
I'm so happy after such a long struggle to be living my true self. Welcome to the world Caitlyn. Can't wait for you to get to know her/me.
— Caitlyn Jenner (@Caitlyn_Jenner) June 1, 2015
The welcome mat is out for “Caitlyn”:
A new normal has arrived on America’s doorstep. It’s been done before, of course, but this time it’s someone famous, someone who has been in our homes for decades, someone who is a celebrated champion. A champion then, and now, according to many, a hero.
And you are expected to embrace this new normal. Who are you to withhold your approval? Who are you to judge? The new standards are being set for you, not by you. After all, you’re not God. Neither are they, of course, but that is beside the point. Consider what, if anything, had to be lost so this new normal could be found.
And now, here we are: Thus begins a great National Contest to see who can best pretend that None of This Is In Any Way Strange. Embrace the new normal.
–Dana
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: You know that British Columbia is considering removing gender designations from birth certificates, right?
Pretty soon the phrase “it’s a boy!” will be considered transphobic and offensive.
failmerica is having a tranny moment!
(this is a metaphor)
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:26 amYes, and private parts will be designated as “vestigial.”
felipe (b5e0f4) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:27 amIt’s a queer state of affairs.
nk (dbc370) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:33 amFixed!
I think that felipe misspelled “vaginal.”
carlitos (c24ed5) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:48 amIt is kinda surreal.
JD (f62ec8) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:50 am“failmerica is having a tranny moment!”
Mr. Feets – NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!
You completely misunderstand.
Gender is a completely fluid concept, but sexual orientation is immutable.
The science is settled.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:54 amI listened to a radio guy trying to convince a caller that what used to be a man is now a woman. The caller asked to have the science behind that explained. Crickets.
JD (f62ec8) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:58 amI’ve become too old; I don’t understand modern culture any longer. I do not understand the value and perks of seeking attention/approval from strangers, of strangers giving attention/approval to something that has no relation to their own lives. Why is this news? Only Jenner and immediate family and friends have any vested interest. I’m a dinosaur, I admit it
Angelo (ff88c3) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:59 amRemember, gender is a social construct, but race is not.
Edoc118 (ffe670) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:02 ami got your fluid concept right here
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:25 amGreetings:
My mother had a relatively extensive interpersonal relations playbook, one similar in size to those in the NFL. If I remember correctly it included, “You’re alright, son, the army’s out of step.”.
11B40 (0f96be) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:27 amHow about this dude just goes away? Who is under the impression we are interested?
Richard Aubreyr (f6d8de) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:42 amWhat happens to Bruce Jenner’s decathlon medal?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:46 amWhy Caitlyn? The dude — uh, gal — was born in 1949 and Caitlyn is definitely a name that has risen to prominence recently. Just try to find a Caitlyn outside of Ireland born before 1990. He should have changed it to something more age-appropriate for a 65-year-old like “Bernice Jenner” or “Bertha Jenner.”
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:48 amMr. Feets, I know you’re all about those fluid concepts.
Shine on.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:52 amCaitlyn is a variant of Catherine, which is one of the most varied spelling names in the history of the English language. In an old copy of the Book of Lists that I had as a kid, there were 37 recognized spellings of the name. On the bright side, it means “torture” in Gaelic.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:53 amI have a Kaitlin
JD (3b5483) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:55 amI have a Kaitlin
One born way after 1949 I would imagine.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:59 amFun face: Bruce Jenner was once married to Linda Thompson, who was Elvis’s final girlfriend. Wonder what The King would think of all of this.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:00 am“Fun fact” that should read.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:01 amHe should have changed it to something more age-appropriate
you have to remember he’s a nutball who thinks he’s a girl
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:01 amJD, I hope yours is past middle school age, or has a great group of friends.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:08 amMiddle school kids I think can sometimes be the least likely to be either courteous or PC,
in which case this may turn into cannon fodder.
Prof. Chad Pecknold, who earned his PhD at Cambridge University, recently tweeted a few tweets relevant to the subject at hand.
As Dana notes:
But of course, the same could be said for the redefinition of marriage. In fact, Chad Pecknold is a Professor of Theology at the Catholic University of America and is talking about marriage.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/419105/six-tweets-marriage-caught-my-eye-today-kathryn-jean-lopez
Redefining marriage was just the first step in redefining everything. Unfortunately nobody understood the size and shape of the totalitarian project the progressive left had embarked upon. Not even some of the aiders and abetters.
Germaine Greer is essentially complaining that the Frankenstein she helped create has turned on her. She is a misandrist who authored The Female Eunuch and helped establish the new normal, in that any reality that does not serve the political interests of the progressive left must be destroyed and replaced.
Welcome to your fundamental transformation. The destruction of marriage was just a step in this direction. The “We the people” of the preamble of the Constitution are anathema to the progressive left. It is based upon the concept that the people existed prior to this government, and this government is a creation of the people. The progressive left let the mask slip and told us what the new normal is going to be at the 2012 Democratic National Convention, the theme being “Government is the only thing that we all belong to.”
Oh, how true that is. I looked at the Democratic rank and file and thought, “those bast***s have no idea what’s coming; what they’re asking for.”
I realize that most people can’t connect the dots between SSM and our immigration policy, but Bertolt Brecht made it clear in his poem “The Solution” written after the 1953 East German uprising.
Marriage has been redefined so it has nothing to do with “our posterity” because this government no longer believes it exists to “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.” Instead the people exist to serve the interests of the government. Redefining marriage was an essential step in dissolving the people, there immigration policy based upon their need to elect another.
A malleable people who will accept the fact that nothing existed before the state, everything is a creation of the state, nothing exists outside the state, and everything exists for the state.
My opposition to SSM wasn’t based upon any animus toward gays. It was based upon the fact that in order to preserve a representative republic that exists to serve the American people, there must first be an American people that produces its own next generation, and then so on, and so on. That is the only way to preserve the traditions and values from one generation to the next that would “secure the blessings of liberty.”
I’m afraid if anyone is just catching on now it’s too late.
Steve57 (f41960) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:15 amBruce was obviously someone in torment. So hope this makes him happy and that no one is cruel to her. I don’t know how something as complex as personhood can be understood or “solved” by surgery, but…what do I know?
The whole clan is rich and famous/infamous beyond all normal bounds. They can afford to do and be whatever they want. But I cannot silence this nagging thought: be careful what you wish for.
The latest on identity: Now people who “feel” like they are disabled are going to doctors and having a leg or two amputated to bring their feelings in line with their “identity.”
Patricia (5fc097) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:20 ami wonder if they’re gonna make a Caitlyn Barbie in time for Winter Holiday
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:20 amThe emperor has no clothes.
njrob (d094ac) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:24 amReading online, it seems like gays are less receptive to Jenner’s transformation than others. If that’s true, why?
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:36 amNote that I’m not suggesting there is widespread approval for Jenner. There isn’t. But I expected gays to be happy for Jenner and I’m not seeing it.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:38 amDRJ – I don’t think; in general, that the T in LGBTetc carries the same social cache as the L and G
JD (3b5483) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:42 amSaw an interesting quote earlier,’paraphrase – why is it that we are told that sexuality is written in stone and immutable, but gender is fluid and can be changed at whim?
JD (3b5483) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:43 amTo me Keeping up with the Kardasions has always been one of those shows included in the subset Roger Waters described as “thirteen channels of shyte on the TV to choose from”.
The heart warming story of a Mommy Dearest type harpy, pimping out her litter in trade for notoriety, imposed on the viewing public by the E network, in their never ending pursuit of a trainwreck to present on TV.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:44 amI am not trained in psychology or psychiatry (as a specialty),but as a primary care physician one does need to be a student of human behavior and understand a bit of what motivates people (to work along with it for the patients good, no try to work against it).
It is curious to wonder whether the same psychodynamics that “drove” him to be a decathlon champ(feeling uncomfortable with being a man and trying to “prove himself”) are operative in his “becoming a woman” (gave up trying to be a male and ran the other direction).
As Mike K. has pointed out, the pioneers of “gender change” surgery at Johns Hopkins gave up on it, as they learned by observation that people who went through it were no happier or well adjusted afterwards.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:49 amApplauding this is the same as so many other leftists things, promoting and capitalizing on perception, even when against the interests of those involved.
trannies and gay people are completely different kettles of fishsticks this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:50 amTo me Keeping up with the Kardasions has always been one of those shows included in the subset [some aging shithead anti-Semitic rockstar] described as “thirteen channels of shyte on the TV to choose from”.
One thing that hasn’t been explored enough in this whole Bruce Jenner situation is the degree to which the sheer moral bankruptcy of the Kardashian Klan might have screwed up his mind and driven him nuts. It wouldn’t at all surprise me if someday we discover that living with a gaggle of female harpy narcissists can really mess up a guy’s mind. Isn’t the Kardashian brother some sort of dope fiend and derelict too?
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:53 amAnd by the way, I wonder if Barack Obama and Valerie Jarrett would be so supportive of someone who underwent “gay conversion therapy” and announced that he was leaving the LGBT lifestyle and wanted to live as a heterosexual. Nah, some “stories” are not to be “shared.”
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 10:00 amBruce Jenner has always been a selfish con artist and grifter. From dumping, his airline stewardess lover that allowed Jenner to train while she paid the bills ,after his Olympic glories. When the fame and Olympic accolades faded he moved onto a reality show. The con artist concluded that the next pop culture fad to make money and attention was Kaitlin. To all those who applaud his latest con, you have been had.
mike191 (b4a717) — 6/2/2015 @ 10:09 amThoughts on GLB and T.
I think one either believes in objective truth and aims to align one self to it,
or believes that one can do whatever one wants, with an emphasis on what This one (me) wants.
If others getting what they want somehow jeopardizes what I have, then I don’t like it.
Similar to why those in favor of SS marriage were/are so quick to dissociate themselves from polygamy. They deny they are changing/disrupting the definition of marriage, in part because they know that going for “a bridge too far” at one time (undoing any definition of marriage) will be their undoing.
I want to be clear that the “they” in my claim is not every person who supports SSM, but those that have been prime movers.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 10:12 amMost people in nearly any group, it seems, are content to go with the 25 words or less sound byte rather than thinking it through.
polygamy is tacky and polygamists are trash
they don’t get invited anywhere nice because of how disgusting they are
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 10:27 amL G B T are all different but I thought they felt a kinship since they frequently associate themselves.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 10:45 amPlus this.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 10:46 amwell I would imagine it would be very exhausting, but what else is odd about it, compared to other liberated practices,
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/2/2015 @ 10:59 amL G B T are all different but I thought they felt a kinship since they frequently associate themselves.
It’s just easier to get more campus funding and a better office at the Student Center if they associate themselves.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:05 amDRJ: If you’d been keeping up with The Patently Bizarre Adventures of Robert Stacy McCain, you’d already know the answer.
Short version: modern feminists (that is to say, the gender-war types) view trans as an encroachment on their territory, an attempt by The Oppressor to take their mantle as The Oppressed and claim it for their own. If you were born with a [“PINGAS!”], by definition, You Cannot Know The Struggles Of Life As A Woman In This Horrible Man’s World, no matter what you may “self-identify” as now.
PCachu (5376c0) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:06 amThinking it over, Bruce Jenner as a woman is no more weird and freakish than Barack Obama as President. Just another sign of the times.
nk (dbc370) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:20 amis it really all that super-courageous for miss picklebritches to share his stupid story?
i think that’s lowering the courage bar a whole lot
maybe not for president food stamp, but for real americans i think they set the bar more higher
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:30 amOK, so gender dysphoria is the discomfort that people feel when they suffer from the delusion that they are stuck in the wrong body. And gender reassignment surgery is sometimes offered as a treatment to lessen the discomfort that these people feel.
I can accept all this. I can’t judge whether it’s an effective treatment, but my gut tells me it probably isn’t particularly useful. But I suppose when someone is suffering, it isn’t helpful to tell them to just stop suffering, and it’s probably nice to offer them some sort of treatment.
I would think, however, if you were a shy little flower suffering from gender dysphoria, it wouldn’t be helpful to have your newly photo-shopped mug on an international magazine, and invite all sorts of comment that might burst your bubble and render invalid whatever aid your treatment might have provided.
If Jenner was my friend, and I thought it would help my friend, I’d call her Caitlyn because I would want my friend to have relief from her suffering. But I would definitely advise her to stay private, since we live in a fallen world and the vast majority of people would certainly not give a crap about her suffering or treatment.
Pious Agnostic (7eb3b0) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:35 amYou can take teh crazy out of the snake pit, but you cannot take the snake pit out of teh world.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:47 amGiven this information would those who approved and performed “gender change” surgery on Bruce Jenner be guilty of medical malpractice?
Even after surgery he is not a she. Putting a Ferrari body on a VW beetle does not make it a Ferrari.
It’s in the chromosomes.
XY = Male
YY = Female
No matter what surgery you do to his body and no matter how many hormones you give him, he is still a he.
I thought that we are to be happy with what we have to be normal.
Tanny O'Haley (c674c7) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:57 amWhy is there antagonism by gays/lesbians against the transgendered, but not between gays and lesbians? My guess is it’s because transgendered people muddy the SSM waters or because they make it harder to be accepted as mainstream, but if that’s the case then why did gays align themselves with the transgendered to start with?
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:59 amMaybe it’s because they had common civil rights’ goals in the beginning, but they aren’t as compatible now that gays have moved into the mainstream.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:01 pmHe is still a he.
Tanny O'Haley (c674c7) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:03 pmWhy is there antagonism by gays/lesbians against the transgendered, but not between gays and lesbians?
Why are gays and single urban white women so naturally compatible when it comes to musical theater and shoe shopping, but lesbians and single white men never meet up at the sports bar to watch wrestling and eat chicken wings? (Asked with tongue firmly planted in cheek.)
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:05 pmIf I were gay, would I want to fight for other groups to have the same rights that I had been denied and finally achieved? Or would I want to protect my rights by slamming the door shut behind me?
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:05 pm“Reading online, it seems like gays are less receptive to Jenner’s transformation than others. If that’s true, why?”
DRJ – That’s a real head scratcher, but I sense it has something to do with a lack of tolerance.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:06 pmHe/she is a republican so I’ve heard some on the LGBTQRXWXYZ side are demanding he have that corrected with his next surgery. But I don’t think they do lobotomies anymore, do they?
Mike S. (f5d617) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:07 pmWhat would General Mills do?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:07 pm“Or would I want to protect my rights by slamming the door shut behind me?”
DRJ – I think we are witnessing Mr. Feets saying the trannies should get off his lawn because they are a category error or something equally hateful.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:07 pmJVW,
Maybe this is useless of me to ponder but it confuses me. I would think people who have suffered from gender-based discrimination would be the most sympathetic.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:09 pmThe entire Jenner-Kardashian Klan is about publicity, period. Daily instagram photos and press releases, manufacturing controversy to feed their reality shows, multiple marriages and divorces, their clothing lines, tell-all spreads in celeb magazines, “exclusive” interviews, models for perfume and fashion houses, and becoming fabulously wealthy in the process. The public (worldwide) which clicks on their links and talks about them non-stop have created this monster. Please, for the love of God, we need to stop keeping up with the Kardashians.
elissa (9e3e57) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:09 pmDRJ, I think the difference is quite visceral: Gay and lesbians want the “real thing” just as heteros want the “real thing.” It was merely politically expediant to include the T. They talk the talk, but at the end of the day, they will retreat to their own “gated community.”
felipe (b5e0f4) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:10 pmno, it’s not merely about that, elissa, it’s about promoting a narrative, in addition to a TV show,
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:11 pmPious Agnostic (7eb3b0) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:35 am
See following, above and below.
Given this information would those who approved and performed “gender change” surgery on Bruce Jenner be guilty of medical malpractice?
Tanny O’Haley (c674c7) — 6/2/2015 @ 11:57 am
I guess one could say one cannot be guilty of something, in one sense, until charged.
IMO, as a physician, with the knowledge above that we have,
that if sometime in the future Jenner, or his/her estate in the event of his death, decides it was a fiasco it’s just that he has found new ways to be just as miserable or worse,
the known info from Hopkins would be powerful evidence for malpractice,
esp. if it could be shown that Jenner was never told about it and his doctors knew (or should have known).
Of course, one would have to find a lawyer who is willing to go through the hell associated with trying to put forth the case,
and a judge or jury being willing to find against the doctor/s.
If one wonders about some kind of medical society sanctions against the involved surgeons,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:18 pmsame thing or worse, no one has the stomach for it at this point.
yes yes get off the lawn you silly trannies or i sic the dog on you
go get em Mr. boodles
hello? boundaries?
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:19 pmMaybe this is useless of me to ponder but it confuses me. I would think people who have suffered from gender-based discrimination would be the most sympathetic.
Sorry to be so cynical, DRJ, but I think that they consider themselves competitors in the grievance sweepstakes.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:23 pmIn a sense, we saw the same thing between blacks and gays, when blacks objected to the idea that gays face similar civil rights battles. It seems cruel to want other people to suffer just because you have, but maybe some people find it hard to throw off the victim label.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:25 pmPlease, for the love of God, we need to stop keeping up with the Kardashians.
Even our own Celebrity Prezzy — honorary Kardashian that he is — knows that they are too trashy for his own daughters to emulate. Good ol’ Barack: sensible dad, awful President.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:29 pmI think that in general people have a rational flow of logic for doing what they do,
once the given assumptions they have are taken into account.
I understand the typical pro-gay/lesbian argument is that same sex desire is simply a natural version of human sexuality which they probably had since birth, that it is biological in nature, and there is nothing to do about it (or need to do about it) other than embrace it as an equally valid version of “normal”, just like skin color.
Transgender, one could argue, is a totally different thing. By definition the idea is that nature made a mistake and something needs to be done to correct the mistake.
So it is really not about having been a minority that was discriminated against that should be understanding of others,
it is about the claim to be included in “the normal”.
I am sure that is not how all look at it, certainly not consciously, but I think that is one version of how it can be thought of.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:32 pm43 – nk
mg (31009b) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:34 pmPerfect
I don’t think blacks as a whole want gays/lesbians to suffer, they just don’t want their born skin color equated with a behavior, one which was seen as wrong by the vast majority of blacks.
And they could claim that gays/lesbians never had to deal with slavery.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:35 pmWhatever he/she or she/he is now, she/he or he/she will always be one of the greatest Olympians of all time.
mg (31009b) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:37 pmHe beat the commie.
Dear Caitlyn,
Sorry about your dick.
Mr. Feets
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:51 pmThat’s a good point, MD in Philly, but isn’t that another way of saying black KS don’t think gays are the right kind of victim?
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:52 pmBlacks, not blacks KS. Sorry.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:53 pmthe olympics are gayer than putin at a pride parade
and they’re every bit as corrupt as that fifa fiasco
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:58 pmCaitlyn’s got some screwed up priorities Mr. daley
some royally screwed up priorities
someone needs to smack her upside her stupid head
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:00 pmolympics are a high end con, the World Cup quite nearly so, LA, Sarajevo, Montreal, Moscow was spared in 1980 in part, but ultimately it succombed.
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:04 pmCaitlin,If you paint a target on your chest,don’t be surprised if someone throws a tomato
corwin (2ff279) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:06 pmi bet you anything she smells like neosporin
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:15 pmI guess one could mean different things by “the right kind of victim”
I think homosexual activity is not simply a biological version of normal the way skin color is, and if one wants to make some kind of civil union between two people of the same sex, one can do that, but I don’t think two men getting “married” is at all the same thing as two people of different skin colors getting married.
In the eyes of some I guess that makes me a bigot and a hater, even though I would bodily intervene to defend a gay or lesbian if I saw them getting assaulted.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:24 pmOT, I just had a popup on my email with Chinese characters and when I cancelled it out I got a page telling my I needed to up date my Java, “click here”.
I immediately closed my email page.
Anybody familiar with something like that?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:28 pmMD in Philly,
I’m not talking about whether you or I or anyone supports SSM. I’m talking about why people who have been discriminated against seem hostile to others who suffered, too. It seems to me that blacks can logically oppose SSM from a Christian perspective but still sympathize with gays who can’t visit loved ones in the hospital. You and I can sympathize, too, but do we really feel the pain of discrimination the way blacks might?
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:34 pmIt tried to lead me to a website named “chopcityball”
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:34 pmMaybe they aren’t hostile to others, they’re just hostile to the concept voiced that way. Maybe if given the opportunity to explain oneself and not being turned into a sound byte you would find most Blacks favorable the polite treatment of gays.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:44 pmElvis booted her out of Graceland in ’76. Ginger Alden was his final girlfriend.
Willie Lee (20dc3a) — 6/2/2015 @ 1:57 pmCan’t help conjuring a production meeting on set. Ratings sag. There’s talk of cancellation.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/2/2015 @ 2:02 pm“What if someone gets a sex change?”
“Capitol idea. That could bump the ratings. Put us back on the map.”
“Alright whose gonna take the bullet?”
“Get Jenner in here.”
I wonder if he keeps his roger secreted away in a jar. Can he get a refund?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/2/2015 @ 2:06 pmhe still has all his parts
he’s sort of half-assing this
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 2:22 pmThe next frontier in “I was born in the wrong body:”
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83288108/
Probably the most famous was Dennis “Stalking Cat” Avner. Operative word, “was.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/death-cat-man-probed-article-1.1201336
Apparently he killed himself in 2012. No doubt because it hit him like a ton of bricks that no amount of body modification; tattoos, piercings, dental work, cosmetic surgeries, etc., would ever turn him into a female tiger.
But by the same token, no amount of hormone therapy or cosmetic surgery will turn a man into a woman or a woman into a man. It is just as biologically impossible to turn a man into a woman or a woman into a man as it is to turn a human into a wolf or a leopard. When they first started doing this surgery (at Johns Hopkins as already noted) they knew these patients had a disorder, but they thought it would be easier to address by making the body image collaborate with the disorder rather than address the underlying disorder. It doesn’t work. The person is still disordered, and the suicide rate for people who have had this surgery is 20 times higher than it is for non-trans people. Because no matter what you do to play along with these dangerous delusions, one day it will hit them like a ton of bricks as it did Dennis Avner that despite carving themselves up they are still a the male or female they were born as. All these trans people report being really happy at first, but that wears off. Sometimes as early as three months. Or it could take decades. Then they realize they made a huge mistake.
But the almighty government uses these people to play god. As I said earlier, there is no nature that government must respect. Nothing existed before government, nothing exists outside of government, all reality is within government control, and everything is for government. You will accept the new normal as your reality. So now we all get to live inside
Steve57 (f41960) — 6/2/2015 @ 2:27 pmBruceCaitlyn Jenner’s delusion. There is no objective truth, nature, or reality other than the one the government constructs. And if next week the government constructs a new new normal and tells you Caitlyn Jenner is now a mermaid then you’ll just have to conform to that on command, h8rs.they just wanna make pretendsies Mr. 57
these losers are statistically insignificant
my only problem with it really is how the propaganda slut media and the child-abusing public school teacherwhores are force-feeding us all this tranny crap while this p.o.s. cowardwhore country has very real actual problems
it’s annoying
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 2:32 pmMental illness gone mainstream.
Rodney King's Spirit (b31520) — 6/2/2015 @ 2:39 pmIn olden days a bit of stocking was looked at as something shocking
elissa (9e3e57) — 6/2/2015 @ 2:44 pmnow heaven knows
anything goes
tranny me this
you loser failmericans have NO interest rates
and yet factory orders have declined in 8 of the last 9 months
lol
you suck
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 2:45 pmElvis booted her out of Graceland in ’76. Ginger Alden was his final girlfriend.
Ah, yes, that’s right. I stand corrected. I keep forgetting about old Ginger. Thanks for reminding me, Willie Lee.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 2:52 pmBruce Jenner’s Wikipedia entry has already been changed to Caitlin Jenner, including changing all the pronouns from male to female.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 3:08 pmIt’s weird to read how Caitlin Jenner won the Gold Medal in the Men’s Decathalon.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 3:09 pmBruce Jenner’s Wikipedia entry has already been changed to Caitlin Jenner, including changing all the pronouns from male to female.
Yeah, the social justice warriors who dominate Wikipedia waste no time in making sure their political ideology is reflected tout de suite.
It’s weird to read how Caitlin Jenner won the Gold Medal in the Men’s Decathalon.
That’s such garbage: Bruce Jenner won the decathlon; Caitlyn Jenner didn’t come into existence until 2015. But again, they let nothing so inconvenient as the truth get in the way of their social crusade.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 3:26 pmYou know, we could run Caitlin for president as a Republican guys. That wolud put a crimp in the “diversity democrats”, wouldn’t it. How do you run ads against a transgender, Republican, “national hero” especially when every leftist is falling over each other to write down their praises. Their praises become our ads, and de facto endorsements.
Hoagie (b482c1) — 6/2/2015 @ 3:28 pmI can’t sign on for President but s/he would make a great GOP candidate to be the Senator from California.
DRJ (e80d46) — 6/2/2015 @ 3:31 pmI think that maybe running Jenner as a presidential candidate might backfire. Let’s reconsider if that’s wise, guys.
Pious Agnostic (4e1a81) — 6/2/2015 @ 3:39 pmCaitlin should run and make the republican primary a true clown car wreck.
mg (31009b) — 6/2/2015 @ 3:46 pmyou can’t out-Lindsey Lindsey
not even you Caity-cakes
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 3:52 pmSadly, I think mg’s right. Sorry guys. But it sounded like fun if just for the moment.
Hoagie (b482c1) — 6/2/2015 @ 4:27 pmHoagie- The republican primary will still be a disaster, with or without a penis.
mg (31009b) — 6/2/2015 @ 4:52 pmWhy is gender reassignment surgery provided to one suffering gender dysmorphia and the belief that they are trapped in the wrong body, while anorexic patients are not offered liposuction or those suffering from Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID) do not get to have their limbs amputated although it is what they really desire? Why is one condition treated differently than so many others and in such an extraordinary way?
Mostly, what are the limits we are willing to go to in order to settle the heart that is not at peace with itself?
Dana (86e864) — 6/2/2015 @ 4:56 pmDana, I think it’s because the T’s have been riding along in the back seat with the LGB’s for so long, nobody noticed that while the rest of them have been quietly removed from the DSM, T’s are still kinda disturbed but by now it’s impolite and racist to mention it.
Pious Agnostic (4e1a81) — 6/2/2015 @ 5:10 pmT’s are still kinda disturbed
oh my goodness they should have their own clubs where they can cuddle and do tranny stuff together
happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2015 @ 5:13 pmelissa (9e3e57) — 6/2/2015 @ 12:09 pm
I didn’t know any of this until I saw elissa’s comment. So Jenner is mixed up with the Kardashians. It explains a lot. He’s not the first famous athlete that filthy clan made dirty. Remember OJ? And Jenner has killed a woman, too, now.
nk (dbc370) — 6/2/2015 @ 5:48 pmAs an adult, Bruce can do whatever he wants with his penis, wardrobe, or hormone intake. A man’s got rights.
Christoph Dollis (f9e702) — 6/2/2015 @ 5:58 pmCaitlyn Jenner is proof that women can do anything men can do… after all, she was an Olympic gold medalist in the DECATHLON competing against men.
There is NO valid reason whatsoever to treat women any differently from men. For example, the military should IMMEDIATELY stop giving women more points on P.T. tests for the same values as men. There should no longer be any “women’s” sports at any level.
malclave (4f3ec1) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:14 pmSurely the cure for the mentally ill isn’t indulging their fantasies.
If someone genuinely believes they are Napoleon Bonaparte, should we ship him off to Elba, give him a new wardrobe, and start calling him “Emperor”? Or do we treat the fantasy for what it is: mental illness?
egd (1ad898) — 6/2/2015 @ 7:22 pmWould you kindly link a peer-reviewed study that supports this claim? Thanks.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:26 pmAnd Jenner has killed a woman, too, now.
Holy Shiite, nk, I had totally forgotten about that! Wow, wonder how that’s going to turn out.
JVW (8278a3) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:29 pmI killed a girl and I liked it,
carlitos (c24ed5) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:32 pmthe taste of her cherry chapstick.
I killed a girl just to try it,
I hope my boyfriend don’t mind it.
It felt so wrong,
it felt so right.
Don’t mean I’m in love tonight.
I killed a girl and I liked it (I liked it).
I jokingly said to my wife he changed gender to get more chicks in the hoosegow as opposed to being Bubba’s butt buddy as a man.
Gazzer (eb729a) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:35 pmCould be a reason… http://youtu.be/R-l2GgSkA6U
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:39 pmIt’s become absurd. I was driving with Gus Jr. today, and he was asking about TRANSJENNER. My boy is EXTREMELY BRIGHT. I said. “Son, what GENDER is your FATHER?” He laughed his 14 year old ass off. I explained that Spruce TRANSJENNER, has the right to do what he/she is doing, butt (ha), there are most certainly psychological and dysfunctional reasons “behind” ha!! it. I told my son, that I don’t think GOD is angry nor necessarily disapproves of Mr/Mz TRANSJENNERS decision.
Gus (7cc192) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:44 pm7;22 edg. What if Spruce TransJenner, wanted to be SEA BISCUIT???? Should the DOCTOR….or VET…..be named WILLLLBURRRRR???
Gus (7cc192) — 6/2/2015 @ 8:50 pmYour question illustrates the absurdity of the LIBTARD LEFT.
If Spruce TRANSJenner wants to be KAITLYN or MARY, he/she has to live with the CONSEQUENCES. He/She should have to pay for it. IT WILL NEVER END NICELY. Not a chance. The PATHOLOGY/PATHOLOGIES involved are REAL. Much like OBAMA. There are PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUES that are not sane.
Whatever.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:00 pmIt wasn’t especially hard to find a news story on the subject.
Indulging the fantasies of the mental ill does not magically cure them.
egd (1ad898) — 6/2/2015 @ 9:07 pmBruce Jenner expresses his joy over appearing on the cover of Vanity Fair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye7PIyIcCro
Steve57 (f41960) — 6/2/2015 @ 10:06 pmDid I tell you about my transformation from an adolescent male to a middle-aged male.
Neo (d1c681) — 6/3/2015 @ 4:40 amI’m told its called growing up. I’m also told that it doesn’t happen any more, at least not mentally for most of these folks on TV.
it’s easy to mock caitlyn jenner
so people need to get on the stick
chop chop
happyfeet (831175) — 6/3/2015 @ 4:54 amPeer-reviewed study ≠ news article, but thanks anyway. Did you read the details? They don’t support your point.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:22 amI believe this is probably what Mike K. showed us before, if not, it was probably the same person:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120
There is this in the article, which you can look up if you want:
A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.
Although we have discussed on the other thread the abysmal performance of “peer reviewed journals”, lay press articles are not to be trusted.
There was this which has bearing on our previous discussion on how to handle “transgender” children:
When children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at both Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings. Some 25% did have persisting feelings; what differentiates those individuals remains to be discerned.
That would suggest that by reinforcing an opposite sex identity in childhood one would often be trying to solidify “just a phase” after all.
In other words, recruitment, or perhaps apparent trying to resolve their own psych issues through a child.
A randomized controlled trial of sex reassignment surgery should not be approved by any IRB.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:42 am“a parent” not “apparent”
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:44 amI rest my case.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/caitlyn-jenner-richer-kardashians-experts-article-1.2244402
elissa (12fbe1) — 6/3/2015 @ 6:03 amThanks MD. As a Scandinavian myself, I question the significance of the suicide numbers, but I’ll read the whole thing with an open mind.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 6/3/2015 @ 6:21 amFreaks (in all the applicable connotations of the word) are difficult if not impossible to study. They, as a population, not only fall beneath the margin of error due to randomness — they are the margin of error in randomness itself. Couple that with psychology and psychiatry being pseudo-sciences, about on a par with Shiatsu in their lack of empiricism, and it’s anybody’s guess what goes on in their heads.
nk (dbc370) — 6/3/2015 @ 6:33 amBecause neither gender nor race can have an impact on medical treatment.
Jack (a742cc) — 6/3/2015 @ 6:43 ami’m old and i’m transgendered and i’m so very lonely
where dem pups
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/3/2015 @ 6:56 amIt’s all just making with the funny schtuff until they cut off your johnson.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/3/2015 @ 10:46 amWe’re libertarians, we believe in nothing!
So bring us the money, Jenner, or we cut off your johnson.
Excuse me?
I said “WE CUT OFF YOUR JOHNSON!”
Just think about that, Jenner.
Yeah, your wiggly penis, Jenner.
Yeah, and maybe we stomp on it and squoosh it.
Yeah and cancel your program!
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/3/2015 @ 10:59 am“Thanks MD. As a Scandinavian myself, I question the significance of the suicide numbers, but I’ll read the whole thing with an open mind.”
carlitos – Are you contemplating making a change?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/3/2015 @ 11:14 amTo back up Philly Doc’s comment:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
One might doubt my sincerity in linking to this, since I’ve pointed out that due to science fraud maybe half of peer-reviewed studies aren’t fraudulent or faked. And one might note that this study was undertaken in 2004 and might be dated by now.
To answer both charges I’d say neither critique adds up to the existence of evidence and this subject has become so politicized it would be virtually impossible for an honest study to see the light of day in 2015.
Steve57 (f41960) — 6/3/2015 @ 12:24 pmI meant to say fraudulent or false. The latter being reports on studies done in good faith but simply amounting to bad science.
Steve57 (f41960) — 6/3/2015 @ 12:26 pmJohnny is a boy
He wants to be a girl
More than anything
In the whole wide whirl
When he’s up and able
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/3/2015 @ 12:36 pmRight off the operating table
Where they tuck it in…
He’ll be a girl!
Just thought it would be useful to know the ACLU has “transitioned” and now identifies as anti-free speech.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/call-her-caitlyn-then-lets-move-issues-affecting-trans-community
So, if you’re in L.A. and see Bruce Jenner walking around in a dress, it is now an act of hatred to say, “Hey, that’s Bruce Jenner in a dress.” Who are you supposed to believe? The ACLU or your lying eyes? The ACLU says not only should you believe the ACLU, but believing your lying eyes is a hate crime.
Thank you, happyfascist, for going along with the test case on redefining the marryings.
Steve57 (f41960) — 6/3/2015 @ 12:55 pmI guess Bruce Jenner got tired of living under the shadow of Kim Kardashian’s bedonkadonk.
http://decider.com/2015/06/03/caitlyn-jenner-i-am-cait-trailer/?_ga=1.196211753.449787124.1433020308
Steve57 (f41960) — 6/3/2015 @ 1:00 pmBUT STEVE none of that really takes effect until we cut off his johnson.
Or any time after actually. If the ACLU has suddenly abrogated their reason for existence (protecting unpopular speech – putting the exclamation point on the 2nd amendment) fine by me.
Eff off and die ACLU.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/3/2015 @ 1:03 pmnot my fault i just went along with the gay marriage thing cause of my conscience plus my dad was pro gay marriage plus it’s just really really unhealthy for the republican party to be all weird about it cause of gay marriage is the future, and Team R has a hard enough time without all the anti-gay baggage I think
trannies aren’t the future though they’re just weirdos
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/3/2015 @ 1:04 pmThat’s the royal “we”.
No actual johnsons were harmed during the typing of this post.
I use both hands to type.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/3/2015 @ 1:22 pmhappyfeet @139, yeah it’s your fault.
Neither is SSM. Nothing says “f*** the future” quite so much as redefining marriage so that children are written entirely out of the picture.
Steve57 (f41960) — 6/3/2015 @ 1:34 pmFrom the comments section over at National Review Online:
“Isn’t it interesting that liberals accuse conservatives of being ‘anti-science’, but then – in all seriousness – tell us that a man is really a woman?”
Whitey Nisson (de460e) — 6/3/2015 @ 2:04 pmSSM is great i like it and that’s final
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/3/2015 @ 2:10 pmThen shut up and enjoy the fundamental trannies-formation that comes with, Mr. feets.
Steve57 (6a0485) — 6/3/2015 @ 4:40 pmwords mean things, even in this bearded spock universe,
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/419254/yes-espn-did-pick-caitlyn-jenner-ahead-iraq-war-vet-and-amputee-noah-galloway-espy?
now to speak up for heterosecuality, that seems to be the brave thing now.
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/3/2015 @ 4:46 pmI’m not willing to make a change, but I am willing to learn. Would they send me someplace special?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR9HuRUUTbs&t=1m7s
carlitos (c24ed5) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:06 pmi’m not jumping on board the tranny express this whole “tranny moment” feels manufactured and contrived to me
i saw where that lawyer lady on instapundit raised the question of why these goofy T’s get lumped together with normal L’s and G’s and B’s
very good question, lawyer lady
happyfeet (831175) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:13 pmThe B’s prove the L’s and G’s aren’t normal.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:20 pmthey do not they just hang out and do bisexual stuff like guitar hero
happyfeet (831175) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:26 pmIt was a Hollywood writer’s strike that led to Keeping up with the Kardashians.
Now their socialist labor union has Bruce Jenner’s sexual identity pelt on their guilty heads.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:37 pm@150:
http://decider.com/2015/06/03/caitlyn-jenner-i-am-cait-trailer/?_ga=1.196211753.449787124.1433020308
Steve57 (6a0485) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:40 pmI thought Quantum of Solace, was the largest misfire from that exercise,
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:42 pmyou can’t win, trying to project the insanity:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/katie-yoder/2015/06/03/msnbc-panel-using-women-abortion-language-excludes-trans-men
narciso (ee1f88) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:47 pmDidn’t Monty Python make a joke about this twenty years ago, in The Meaning of Life? And now it is supposed to be considered normal? Yow!
Jimpithecus (c2cb70) — 6/3/2015 @ 5:51 pmIf Jenner thought he was a chicken, do you think they’d try to graft feathers and a beak onto him?
Assuming they didn’t need the eggs, I mean.
mojo (a3d457) — 6/4/2015 @ 10:15 am