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5/8/2015

Area Man Denies That Mass Shootings Are Reason for His Sudden Change of Mind on the Color of That Dress

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:55 am



After a recent controversy over the color of a dress went viral, Ted Jarrett told everyone he knew that the dress was white and gold.

But that was before three gunmen attacked a “The Dress Is White and Gold” event in Rockcastle, Virginia on Monday, followed by a second massacre in Fieldhurst, Georgia on Tuesday. A group calling itself “Black and Blue or Die” has claimed responsibility for the shootings, which left three critically injured and a nation stunned.

A spokesman for the group, Mihkel Andrus, released a statement on social media which said: “It is our happiness and joy to spread the message that the dress is black and blue. All people who say it is white and gold will be shot. The shootings will continue until everyone agrees with us, or at least remains silent.”

Today, Ted Jarrett says, he can maybe see the black and blue in the dress.

“White and gold, black and blue, whatever,” he said. “It’s not important. I didn’t change my mind because of the shootings. I just . . . I’m not sure now.” Jarrett, shown a picture of himself from the event in which he is holding a poster that says “Anyone who says black and blue is a TOTAL REETARD!!!!” explained: “I guess I got a little carried away. Look, man, to each his own. You’re not gonna print this, are you?”

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Above: The color of this dress has inspired violence . . . and controversy

The New York Times on Tuesday announced a moratorium on discussions about the color of the dress. Times public editor Margaret Sullivan explained that editor Dean Baquet “had to consider foremost the sensibilities” of readers who believe the dress is black and blue, according to an interview published by The Hill on Tuesday.

Baquet himself elaborated on the theme in an email to The Hill, saying: “We don’t run things that are designed to gratuitously offend. A lot of our readers think the dress is black and blue. Why would we antagonize them by saying otherwise? And anyway, many of them may be armed.”

Baquet dismissed reports that the controversy had been removed from an upcoming piece titled “The Stupidest Internet Debates of 2015.” Baquet explained that there are other controversies that deserve coverage as well, citing “Beyoncé vs. Solange” as an example. In any event, he noted, his decision not to discuss the color of the famous dress going forward is hardly isolated, as the Los Angeles Times, Associated Press, and other entities have declared their own moratoriums on discussions of the dress.

Meanwhile, the organizer of the Fieldhurst event says she has no apologies for putting together the event immediately after a mass shooting. “It’s a dress!” said event organizer Marnie Pearl, who immediately organized the event after Monday’s shooting in Virginia. “For God’s sake, these people are going around shooting people over the color of a dress! If we don’t do something, pretty soon there will be literally nothing left we are allowed to talk about!” Several people stood near Pearl and shook their heads. “She knew the possible consequences and chose to do it anyway,” said one bystander who asked not to be identified. “As far as I’m concerned, this is all her fault.”

Andrus, the spokesman for the group that took responsibility, says the group is considering expanding its activities. “This has worked out way better than we thought,” he said. Asked about his plans for the future, Andrus said his group was considering shooting anyone who disparaged Justin Bieber. “He is a misunderstood genius,” said Andrus, “and soon the whole country will recognize it — or at least be scared to disagree.”

80 Responses to “Area Man Denies That Mass Shootings Are Reason for His Sudden Change of Mind on the Color of That Dress”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. It’s a dress, Marnie, but it’s a sacred dress! And you are quite a dangerous woman for saying otherse.

    I will be happy to lower my rifle when you see I’m right.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  3. Perfect. You would make a great law school professor.

    DRJ (e80d46)

  4. This irresponsible coverage will only result in more violence and is therefore NOT protected under the First Amendment through the Chaplinksy standard, RICO, and the Logan Act. Continued discussion of the dress is also LIBELSLANDER and LAWSUITS will happen if it continues.

    JWB (6cba10)

  5. It is white and gold. It has always BEEN white and gold. Anyone who says different needs to be shown the error of their ways.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  6. If it wasn’t supposed to be white and gold, God wouldn’t have MADE it white and gold. You aren’t against GOD, are you?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  7. That Marnie Pearl is so hateful. Have you read her blog? She uses the same tactics the nazis did against the Jews. It’s her fault people were killed in that small hamlet of Fieldhurst, Georgia (population 270,000 and a suburb of Atlanta). I mean she was actually asking for it. Why would anyone purposely insult those that believe the dress is black and blue? If we offer her up for death to the peaceful religion of the dress is black and blue, they will return to their peaceful ways. After all they really can’t help themselves when so blatantly provoked.

    Besides that I don’t like her accent.

    Tanny O'Haley (c674c7)

  8. Hate speech is not protected. A lawyer told me so.

    JD (21d5ac)

  9. Did you mean to say “white and gold” in the first line?

    Roscoe (5b2c30)

  10. Did I screw up? Or is it April 1st again this year?

    Dave (e1f266)

  11. hate speakings and chocolate milk

    these are just a couple of my cravings

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  12. I assume this is the Onion. It’s getting harder and harder to tell.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  13. This whole discussion of the dress is just a distraction from the real story, which is the easy availability of guns in our culture thanks to Second Amendment nutcases.

    Meanwhile, at the local university, a group of students dedicated to the black and blue dress has accused the school’s athletic teams, who traditionally have worn gold and white uniforms, of micro-and macro-aggressions which cause triggering incidents. The Student Association for Sensible Gun Laws has criticized the Black and Blue Dress Society for their use of the word “trigger,” pointing out that it is insensitive to victims of gun violence and potential victims of gun violence.

    JVW (8278a3)

  14. There is absolutely no evidence that there ever was a dress. Pure fantasasy.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  15. Damned fine post, Patterico. And excellent comments so far. Bravo.
    = = = = = =

    Unh, in case anybody from The Holy Writ of New York Times is reading:

    I, for one, WELCOME our new overlords, who promise to tell us which-think is acceptable, and (conversely) what-think is out-of-bounds. We all understand that it is necessary to “assimilate or die”, and the Borg have many, many, MANY admirable qualities which I’m CERTAIN we humans will ALL come to appreciate. Kill me last.

    A_Nonny_Mouse (bea2b0)

  16. if she were naked, there would be no violence over the dress…

    obviously, we need to pass legislation requiring women to be naked anytime they are out in public.

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  17. 16.if she were naked, there would be no violence over the dress…

    obviously, we need to pass legislation requiring women to be naked anytime they are out in public.
    redc1c4 (cf3b04) — 5/8/2015 @ 11:08 am

    There is a major problem with this proposal. Would you actually want all women to be naked? Remember, Hillary! and Liawatha would presumably be included in this group.

    Second problem: Are you talking cis-women only? What about gender non-specific Rachel Maddow or transitioning individuals? What about the special snowflakes whose gender identity fluctuates based on whatever trigger events may have happened most recently? Why are you excluding them? Hater!

    Virginia SoCon (8eb3c5)

  18. The comments are better satire than the original post..so I will just sit back and enjoy…

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  19. i denounce myself for misspelling “wymyn”, and of course the law would apply equitably across the board.

    far be it for me to judge. besides, i own a pair of welding goggles, so i’m good. 😎

    (besides, think of what a great jihadi deterrent that would be…%-)

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  20. The original post is pretty good satire. This comment won’t be.

    I recall during one of our Navy sexual harassment harangues the facilitators were talking about their wonderful “traffic light” system of speech classification. Green light meant it was always ok to say those words, red light were things that always were sexual harassment and you could never say them, and yellow light were things you could say unless someone objected.

    I forget which of the thins off of their green light list I picked but I raised my hand and asked what if someone objected? After all, it was clear we were at the time catering to the most hypersensitive element of society (I thought then). And the facilitators had just finished teaching us that it was the Navy’s policy that what constituted sexual harassment was always what the victim said it was. It didn’t matter what the speaker meant. There was no reasonable person standard. All that matters is a) did you say it and b) did the victim take offense. A+B = guilty as charged.

    So they admitted if the person told you then found those words offensive you couldn’t say them.

    So there were not green light words that were always ok. Just yellow light and red lights. And the yellow light list kept getting shorter as the red light list kept getting longer.

    I see we’re going nationwide with this standard of “free speech,” except now we’re catering to Muslims.

    Steve57 (e3e502)

  21. Is this April 1st?

    Jim (84e66d)

  22. It has always BEEN white and gold.
    Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/8/2015 @ 8:32 am

    Until it is black and blue,
    check the official daily update before you answer the question.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  23. It must be, Jim.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/08/oreilly-you-know-who-wouldnt-have-held-a-mohammed-cartoon-contest-jesus-thats-who/

    Yes, Jesus never offended anyone. That’s why they crucified him.

    I can’t stand Bill O’Reilly.

    Frequently wrong. Never unsure.

    Steve57 (e3e502)

  24. Bill O’Reilly almost died liberating the Falklands and he knows a lot about war and peace and sheep and islands and Abraham Lincoln and stuff

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  25. I can’t stand Bill O’Reilly.

    I’ve never understood what people on our side see in O’Reilly. He comes off as a smug blowhard to me, simply a more erudite and less beefy right-wing version of Ed Schultz. For that matter I don’t care for Sean Hannity either. I complained on the earlier thread that Hannity gave a forum to that awful British Imam who wants all blasphemers to be beheaded.

    JVW (8278a3)

  26. 10. Dave “Did I screw up? Or is it April 1st again this year?”

    These are the Crazy Years: Every day is April 1st.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  27. I denounce myself for despising people who write “wymyn” instead of “women”.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  28. i solved the problem indicated in #’s 23-25…

    i don’t watch netw*rk television, thereby avoiding having to listen to idiots babble.

    same reason i don’t listen to talk radio.

    i’m a H8r that way… 😉

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  29. 25. …For that matter I don’t care for Sean Hannity either. I complained on the earlier thread that Hannity gave a forum to that awful British Imam who wants all blasphemers to be beheaded.

    JVW (8278a3) — 5/8/2015 @ 12:59 pm

    I don’t care for Hannity, either. But not for the reason you mentioned. Because it isn’t just Choudary who wants all blasphemers beheaded.

    It’s the sentence for blasphemers in Saudi Arabia. And while other Muslim countries may not behead you, they’ll still execute you. People need to learn that about Islam. He is not an extremist; his view is mainstream.

    Steve57 (e3e502)

  30. The dress is actually an optical shibboleth. If you see white and gold you’re good to go. Otherwise … well let’s just say vee haff plans and I do not think you vill find them amusink.

    Jack (ff1ca8)

  31. People need to learn that about Islam. He is not an extremist; his view is mainstream.

    Yeah, but the people who watch Hannity already know this. And the lefties who would never be caught dead watching Hannity aren’t going to learn about this even if they wanted to. So Hannity has gone beyond the public service of exposing this evil dipstick Imam and he’s now actually using him to drive ratings. Screw him.

    JVW (8278a3)

  32. Yes, I agree that Hannity isn’t the venue for getting the truth out about Islam. As I said I don’t care for him but for other reasons.

    Steve57 (e3e502)

  33. Steve@20
    The appropriate method to deal with that classification is to follow the Italian rules for driving.* You know, yellow means go on through, red is a suggestion to stop.

    *Did I ever mention how my mother and I were almost run over in Rome by a car while we were eating a snack/lunch? We were standing on the sidewalk.

    kishnevi (9c4b9c)

  34. If there were such a thing as the “Jonathan Swift” award, this trenchant satire would win first place. You need to configurate your website so posts like these can be shared on social media.

    Tony (ff2fe4)

  35. Let me guess, kishnevi; the car that almost ran you and your mom down had a light bar on the roof and said “Carabinieri” on the side.

    Steve57 (e3e502)

  36. No, it was a regular guy in a Mercedes, I think (this was twenty years ago, so my memory on the type of car is hazy.). Apparently, backing out of a parking space was too complicated, so he simply drove onto the sidewalk and down to the corner to get on the street from there. We were not the only people forced to jump out of the way. No police were involved.

    Twenty years before that (1973), I was with a teen tour group in Rome. Crossing a small side street, one of the girls in our group was hit by a Fiat making a turn. She was fine, literally not even a scratch. The Fiat had a big dent at the point of impact.

    kishnevi (9c4b9c)

  37. Hmm, every twenty years means I am overdue for a visit by two years.

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  38. Twenty years before that (1973), I was with a teen tour group in Rome. Crossing a small side street, one of the girls in our group was hit by a Fiat making a turn. She was fine, literally not even a scratch. The Fiat had a big dent at the point of impact.

    There’s an old joke — can’t remember how it goes exactly — but it has to do with a guy telling a story about some Italian guy running him over with a Fiat but he’s not hurt and the listener says something like “So did you kick his ass?” and the guy answers, “No, but I beat the crap out of the Fiat.” It’s undoubtedly funnier if I could remember how the joke is structured.

    JVW (8278a3)

  39. Sometimes I like Bill O’Reilly and sometimes I don’t, but I always watch Water’s World. I never watch Hannity but I think it’s good to have him to balance out MSNBC.

    DRJ (e80d46)

  40. We had a Fiat convertible as a young couple. We got to know our mechanic very well because of that car.

    DRJ (e80d46)

  41. kishnevi @36, lots of people in Rome drive like that. Including the Carabinieri.

    Of course, they don’t all drive like this:

    http://qnr.ca/video-2/when-the-valet-crashes-your-ferrari-599-gto/

    Steve57 (e3e502)

  42. You guys should see what hitting a large dog will do to a Trabant. And what the Trabant won’t do to the dog.

    Steve57 (e3e502)

  43. Dresses don’t kill, people do

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  44. I had a Ford Windstar once… ONCE! 3.8L V6 began drinking coolant at 67K miles, no evidence of blown head gasket, temp huage floated all over the place. Ford Motor Co. told me that it was a characteristic of that engine, not to worry.

    I owned a ’78 Buick Turbo Regal (bought new) that required top-end engine work and replacement of the turbocharger at 75K miles. Other than that, it fell apart piece-by-piece. It was emblematic of auto assembly line quality (workers taking dope/alcohol breaks at breaktimes and lunchtimes) in what was truly a Era of Malaise.

    and you speak ill of FIATs? Basta!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. make that the temp gauge, sheesh…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  46. Yeah, but a ’78 Buick Regal was extremely cool. Hope it had T-tops!

    Beasts of England (be9d06)

  47. Aww, jeez, get a load of this:

    http://www.lebaneseexaminer.com/2015/05/07/detroit-tv-anchor-upsets-muslim-community-in-michigan-for-isis-comment/

    This is what PO’s the Muslims these days. The truth. It’s Islamophobic.

    (DEARBORN, MI) — WDIV-TV Local 4 news anchor Carmen Harlan upset many Michigan Muslims after making a comment on the state’s alleged ties to ISIS during a broadcast on the Detroit NBC affiliate on Wednesday.

    When asked about a possible “ISIS threat in Michigan”, Harlan said “given the fact that we have the largest Arab population outside of the Middle East, I guess this should not come as a real surprise.”

    They demanded she apologize. She didn’t. Abjectly and ridiculously.

    UPDATE: Harlan apologized on Thursday saying: “In no way did I mean to imply that because of our community’s make up, there was a higher risk of ISIS threats.”

    Yes. It means exactly that. More Muslims mean more potential ISIS recruits. Especially when this is going on in the Mosques.

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=356613

    Imam at Mosque Where Texas Shooter Prayed Warned His Flock… About the FBI Informant There to Keep Tabs on the Shooter

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  48. 44. … It was emblematic of auto assembly line quality (workers taking dope/alcohol breaks at breaktimes and lunchtimes) in what was truly a Era of Malaise…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/8/2015 @ 3:29 pm

    I knew guys who worked in a GM plant back them. One of their favorite tricks was to hang a nut or bolt from a string and put it inside one of the car doors. That way whoever bought it would have an annoying rattle that they’d never find. They thought that was real funny.

    Then if you recall the UAW guys would get really mad at everyone for being “unpatriotic” and buying Hondas or Toyotas instead.

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  49. lol to keep from cryin’, Steve. I have a friend who worked at the Ford plant back in the 70’s (El Monte, Ca…. I think) and he’d regale us with the stuff he saw. If I have a problem with a car’s reliability or build quality, that the last time I’ll buy one from that maker. They get one chance… cars are too expensive to have to deal with that garbage. No more GM and no more Ford for me.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. No T-top, just a Regal Sport Coupe. The GD silver paint had the clear-coat get all blotchy like some kind of auto- rosacea within 2 years.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  51. traded that bad boy in on a new ’81 Honda Accord and never looked back.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. Colonel, I am like you, but slighter later date.
    First car was a used Skylark. Drove it until I needed to replace the transmission. Had to drive it to the dealer in second gear when I traded it in. Next two cars were Chevy Cavaliers. First one fine. Second one kept needing work. So I traded it for a Corolla. Trade them in every five years or so (whenever they start to need serious work), and just got Corolla number 5 three months ago. From the same dealership, all of them!

    .We had a Fiat convertible as a young couple. We got to know our mechanic very well because of that car.
    Should have been elegant and got a Jaguar. Same problem but more chic. My first boss had one for a while, and it seemed to be in the shop every month. He eventually traded it for a Mercedes.

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  53. Until it is black and blue,
    check the official daily update before you answer the question.

    And then it has always BEEN black and blue.

    (But sometimes it is both of them at once.)

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  54. It is very important to remember that the only reason murdering people over cartoons has not received universal condemnation is that the USA is the only country with the First Amendment.

    Even many in the US media are willing to comprise everyone’s First Amendment rights to prevent the murders.

    However, the jihadis murder Jews in Paris and elsewhere simply because they are Jews.

    The jihadis murder Christians in the Middle East, Kenya, and Nigeria simply because they are Christians.

    Muslim men in Tahir Square sexually assaulted Lara Logan and others simply because they were not wearing a burka and the men’s lust overwhelmed them.

    It is a slippery slope argument, but there is absolutely no reason to comprise our First Amendment rights to appease the jihadis.

    The jihadis will continue to murder us until we are muslims wearing burkas.

    slp (347e33)

  55. Corollas are virtually bulletproof, kish. So are Camrys and Highlanders, one of which we own and it now has 224K trouble-free miles with no end in sight.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  56. 52. …Trade them in every five years or so (whenever they start to need serious work), and just got Corolla number 5 three months ago.

    kishnevi (91d5c6) — 5/8/2015 @ 4:50 pm

    I’ve never had a Toyota that started to need major work after only five years. I had a couple in Japan back in the early 90s. One of them, I don’t think I ever even changed the oil. The car was free. I transferred into a new job, and the guy I replaced gave it to me along with his desk. There were always cars available for nothing or next to nothing. The road safety inspection is extremely expensive for the Japanese, so they wouldn’t keep them when it was time to get their second or third inspection. Unless they’ve changed their laws you had a few years grace period when you bought a new car. Then after the first inspection you didn’t have to get another for 2 years. Most people would junk them when those 2 years were up as after that it was an annual thing. There was literally not a car in a junk yard that you couldn’t start up and drive. I recall a couple of Japanese news stations doing stories on them. If there were cars in those junk yards you couldn’t drive, they never found one.

    On base the inspection was only about $25, so the only fluid I ever filled it with was gas. It was already at least 6 or 7 years old. It lasted my entire tour and never gave me any trouble. Then I gave it to my replacement along with my desk.

    I’ve had a couple since then and I do change the oil and do scheduled maintenance. They will run forever if you take care of them.

    The only Toyota I’ve ever seen that was a lemon was my buddy’s V6 Tacoma 4×4 which couldn’t make it up a paved mountain road without overheating. Forget about off-road. He must have gone back to the dealer he went back to the dealer I don’t know how many times for head gasket changes, new heads, and finally they just replaced the engine. That took care of the problem. It was still running strong 10 years later when his wife told him he needed something bigger, so he bought a Tundra.

    I have a Tacoma now and I have the four banger. My friend’s experience soured me on the V6. The four cylinder engines may be slow but they last.

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  57. I have 140k on my Toyota Highlander and figure it is good for another 100k at least.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  58. #2 son took possession of my 97 RAV 4 when finishing college and needing to do interviews. I think it has well over 130,000 now and runs just fine, as long as you aren’t expecting to get V6 performance out of its 4 cylinder…
    I hope he decides to buy a new car while it is still running so he can give it back…
    so my daughter can learn to drive with it…

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  59. My Grand Marquis has 190K and shows no sign of slowing down. Ima run that sucker til I croak. Apart from routine maintenance and 3000 mile oil changes the only thing I have done is rebuild the entire front suspension myself. Heck, I was under there the other day and I can still read the Ford part number on the exhaust tip!

    Gazzer (c1d25a)

  60. “the Great Recession” is easily one of the Associated Press’ gayest top ten propaganda slogans ever in the history of propaganda

    i always think of linus sitting somewhere in the vast unprosperousness of failmerica with his blanket and his food stamps wanting to suck on something

    happyfeet (831175)

  61. Steve, this trade in was sparked by the claim I had a small leak in the engine cover and it would cost $800 to reseal it. Was the mechanic trying to put one over on me? Maybe. But I figured that was a signal for the new one. I am a person hoysehold and the public transit here is lousy, so a dependable car is mandatory.

    kishnevi (adea75)

  62. Link 2.
    The Zionist candidate.
    http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/08/labour-mp-who-ousted-george-galloway-says-her-mother-was-jailed-for-killing-abusive-partner-5186980/

    Galloway is the MP who declared his locale an Israel free zone.

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  63. #19:
    I just got the welding goggles joke. That, sir, is industrial grade humor. I salute you

    orcadrvr (2977be)

  64. 59. …Ima run that sucker til I croak…

    Gazzer (c1d25a) — 5/8/2015 @ 6:23 pm

    I feel the same way. Believe it or not, I like that Tacoma.

    We tend to keep cars for a long time in my family. My uncle had a 63 Chevy short-bed stepside. Three on the tree, straight six. About as basic a truck as you could have. We’d collect fire wood in the Sierras and he was taking that thing places 4x4s would go. He finally got rid of it in the mid-90s. Not because there was anything wrong with it. My aunt got sick, and the Kali central valley summer heat was hard on her. So he sold it and got something with air conditioning.

    He had the 59 Beetle until the day he died in 2003.

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  65. #59… Gazzer, what you got there is a bad case of teh Panther Love.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  66. #57… at least, Mike K. If you’ve followed the maintenance schedule all you’ll probably have to do will be new struts all around.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  67. kishnevi, a few other rabid liberal anti-Semites also lost their seats in yesterday’s election. David Ward, for one.

    http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/david-ward-absent-at-count-a-he-loses-seat-by-over-7000-votes/

    …The defeat marks the end of a controversial five years in Parliament for Ward, who was suspended by the Lib Dems in 2013 after he refused to apologise for questioning Israel’s right to exist.

    His suspension was just one of a number of notorious incidents in a stint as MP marked by incendiary rhetoric on Jews and Israel.

    Holocaust Educational Trust chief executive Karen Pollock accused him of “deliberately abusing the memory of the Holocaust” with “sickening” comments he made about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians on Holocaust Memorial Day 2013.

    He courted further controversy in July 2014 by suggesting that he would fire rockets at Israel if he lived in Gaza, and in January was criticised for making “a disgraceful attempt to delegitimise Israel” by ambassador Daniel Taub.

    Ward had tweeted ‘Je suis #Palestinian’ in the aftermath of an attack on a kosher supermarket in Paris.

    He’s just one of a number of left-wing British pols who think and say such things as Jews attempting to visit the Temple Mount, and by doing so offending Muslims (what doesn’t offend Muslims), is morally equivalent to a Muslim gunman going into a Jerusalem synagogue and killing four people.

    His parliamentary district was in Bradford, like Galloway’s.

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  68. I presume the Bradford population decided to elect two of their own. That, or these two were too antiIsrael even for the Muslims.
    (I suspect option 1 is the truth.)

    The Temple Mount is a newish issue. Religious Zionists are demanding prayer rights there from nationalist motives, pure aand simple. Several rabbis have helpfully ruled that we can ignore the old rules, by which no one should step foot there since the exact site of the Temple premises were unknown, therefore no one could be sure which parts of the Mount were forbidden under the rules of ritual purity (on pain of karet: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0011_0_10755.html ). So it may not be equivalent to murdering people at prayer, but it is meant as an antiMuslim move.

    kishnevi (adea75)

  69. BTW, the Brits seem to think as highly of Parliament as we do of Congress.

    http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,24713.msg891417.html#msg891417

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  70. Religious Zionists are demanding prayer rights there from nationalist motives, pure aand simple.

    Perhaps. But I know the Muslims want to deny them prayer rights out of nationalist, Islamic supremacist motives. And I don’t see the Jews saying the Muslims can’t pray there as well. So I don’t even see that as morally equivalent.

    I’d be more sympathetic about Muslim religious sensitivities if their PLO heroes didn’t do things like take hostages and hide in the Church of the Nativity. Trashing the place, using pages from Bibles and other liturgical books as toilet paper, etc.

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  71. It is very important to remember that the only reason murdering people over cartoons has not received universal condemnation is that the USA is the only country with the First Amendment.

    When our government helps other countries set up their new governments, our Constitution and Bill of Rights are never ever offered as an example. It’s like they’re ashamed of it.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  72. They are ashamed of it, Kevin.

    Back when I was first hearing how Madonna was edgey and provocative in the 80s I realized she was just a conformist.

    Being all cutting edge and provocative would take actual risk. The people piling on about how Geller is vile and loathsome are just trying to hide the fact that they’d never dare risk it. They want to posture. Hence the fact they get so shrill. It’s a circle you can’t square.

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  73. They pose as if they have a noble purpose when in fact they’re just scared. They pose as if they don’t want to “hit down” when they’re deathly afraid of someone who will hit back.

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  74. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/27/lady-gaga-cancels-indonesian-show-over-security441650/

    Lady Gaga cancels Indonesian show after threats

    They hate the fact that Pamela Geller won’t cancel over threats, and that reveals them as cowards.

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  75. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/27/lady-gaga-cancels-indonesian-show-over-security441650/

    …”This only shows to the world how weak security forces are in this country, how police are afraid of a bunch of hard-liners,” he said.

    “Gaga’s two-hour show will not hurt Indonesian Muslims. For God’s sake, she is not a terrorist!”…

    Concur, Johnny Purba. Mostly. Except for, it’s not just weak Indonesian security forces.

    Steve57 (e468ba)

  76. Steve @71
    I’m not bothered by what the Muslims think. I’m bothered solely by the attempt to change what has been accepted as religious law for about 17 centuries for political reasons.

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  77. I saw somebody make the point that Geller’s effort was helpful in the sense of communicating protest, resistance, more than a milder form of educating the public.
    I also saw Geller say that they had on display artwork of over 1400 years, centuries where not all Muslims were so violently opposed to art depicting Mohammed. IDK, it certainerly seems there was reason for it to be a problem since the beginning.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  78. Muslim depictions of Mohammed go back a long way. Patterico posted a typical one the other day. You can find plenty more online. Over time, artists adopted a convention of showing him with a veil or a blanked out face, but a total ban is probably salafi in origin. 1400 years is probably a stretch, but I question that only because of how little artwork survives from that era. (Think of how little survives from Europe of that period.) That such art existed at one time is likely. It just got destroyed by climate, Mongol invasion, etc.
    That said, your comment is the first I have heard that Geller’s project included anything other than Western drawn modern artwork.

    kishnevi (adea75)

  79. That’s what she said, i didn’t see examples,
    but none of us expect for the MSM to bother with the facts.
    It is surprising a bit, thought, that we haven’t heard it from other outlets.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)


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