Six Officers Charged In The Death Of Freddie Gray
[guest post by Dana]
Six police officers have been charged in the death of Freddie Gray:
Officer Caesar Goodson Jr., 45, who was the driver of a police van that carried Gray through the streets of Baltimore, was charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter, second-degree assault, two vehicular manslaughter charges and misconduct in office.
Officer William Porter, 25, was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
Lt. Brian Rice, 41, was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
Sgt. Alicia White, 30, was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
Officer Edward Nero, 29, was charged with second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
Officer Garrett Miller, 26, was charged with second-degree assault, misconduct in office and false imprisonment.
If convicted of all charges, Goodson would face up to 63 years in prison, Rice would face up to 30 years and Porter, Nero, Miller and White would face up to 20 years.
During her announcement of the charges being levied against the six officers, State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby added:
To the people of Baltimore and the demonstrators across America, I heard your call for ‘no justice, no peace.’ Your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man, those that are angry or hurt or have their own experience of injustice.
Upon receiving news of the charges against the officers, President Obama stated it is “absolutely vital that the truth comes out”.
Further:
“[I] think the people of Baltimore want more than anything else is the truth,” he said. “That’s what people around the country expect.”
He also called for protests to be peaceful. Baltimore has been relatively calm since riots on Monday.
“I hope that approach to non-violent protest and community engagement continues,” Obama said.
In addition to the president’s reaction, the police union claimed that the officers did nothing wrong and charges brought against six police officers in the death of Freddie Gray are driven by “the publicity in this case” and “politics” :
“we are disappointed in the apparent rush to judgement, given the fact the investigation into this matter has not been concluded. Our officers, like every other American citizen, are entitled to due process. We will continue to support them throughout this judicial process, which we believe will result in a finding of innocence. We also promise all active duty officers that we will continue to work diligently to ensure that you will receive the necessary support from the FOP to enable you to complete your mission safely.” He also argued that “this decision to charge [these] officers is going to make our job even harder.”
Michael Davey, an Attorney with the Fraternal Order of Police stated,
“in my 20 years — career as a law enforcement officer, and 16 years as an attorney, I have never seen such a hurried rush to file criminal charges, which I believe are driven by forces which are separate and apart from the application of law, and the facts of this case as we know them. No one condones police misconduct. This is especially true of the entire FOP membership, including my client, who was a 17-year veteran of this department, who has dedicated his life to serving the public. Let me state in no uncertain terms that Lt. Rice and all of the officers involved at all times acted reasonably, and in accordance with their training as Baltimore police officers. No officer injured Mr. Gray, caused harm to Mr. Gray, and they are truly saddened by his death. These officers did nothing wrong. As all of the facts surrounding this case come out in the appropriate forum, the officers’ lack of wrongdoing will be made abundantly clear. We believe that the actions taken today by the state’s attorney are an egregious rush to judgment, and we have grave concerns about the fairness [and] integrity of the prosecution of our officers. Let me reiterate two things, Lt. Rice and all of the officers are deeply affected by Mr. Gray’s passing, and that his injuries did not occur as a result of any action or inaction on the part of these officers. It is our intention to try this case in the courtroom, and not the media. These statements have been made in an effort to protect all of the officers from undue prejudicial effective publicity surrounding this case. We believe that these officers will be vindicated, as they have done nothing wrong.” Later, he said, “I can’t speculate as to what they did or didn’t do. I just find it very difficult that it’s not a rush to judgement when conducting a case in which someone has been charged with second degree murder they can wrap it up in two weeks.”
And finally, State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby is being called on by Fraternal Order of Police Lodge #3 to recuse herself due to a conflict of interest: she has a personal connection to the Gray family’s attorney and she is married to a Baltimore councilman.
The lodge is also requesting a Special Independent Prosecutor be assigned to the case.
–Dana
ADDED: Some reactions to the charges:
@VanJones68
GOT EM!! SIX OFFICERS CHARGED IN #BALTIMORE @cnnbrk #BlackLivesMatter #cut50@sallykohn
Take a moment to realize that media/national attention wouldn’t be on #Baltimore and #FreddieGray were it NOT for riots. Shame on us.@JoyAnnReid
Marilyn Mosby just shook up the world. #FreddieGray@TalibKweli
#FreddieGray death officially ruled a homicide. Meaning police murdered him. Stay awake
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:11 pmHi.
Young black men dying at the hand of police is the exception and is exceedingly rare, whereas young black men dying at the hand of their peers, I.e., other young black men is The Rule. But that is seldom discussed.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:15 pmThere’s a 50% truancy rate in Baltimore, 60% of those over 18 aren’t high school graduates. Baltimore is number 2 (just behind NYC) on dollar per student spending on education. Own it DemocRATs!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:18 pmI’d be OK with the white cops all resigning and leaving town. Patrick may know better but my understanding is that LAPD has trouble keeping academy graduates in LA. After a few years, they get easy jobs in suburbs and have no trouble shifting out of the city. I’d imagine Baltimore cops with good records would be able to move to suburban departments pretty easily. Not true for Ferguson MO, I imagine, but Baltimore should be an easy place to leave.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:21 pmI’ve added some reactions to the news of the charges.
Dana (86e864) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:28 pmAs I understand it, the basic allegation is that Gray was shackled with no seat belt and left to bump and bang against everything with no way to protect himself from bumping and banging because of the shackles, followed by failure to call for medical attention. The version of the charges I saw had a phrase indicating use of reckless disregard of injury and life as a form of homicide is in play here.
kishnevi (9c4b9c) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:30 pmAlso apparently the knife Gray possessed was allegedly legal, meaning he should not have been arrested in the first place….hence the false imprisonment charge.
kishnevi,
Here is a breakdown with maximum sentences. See Officer Goodson.
Dana (86e864) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:37 pmMarilyn is very pretty I hope she’s got integrity too
you just never know with public officials these days
but let’s be honest how long will this really be on my radar
happyfeet (831175) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:44 pmIf this is duplication I apologize. But here is the alleged timeline of the arrest.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/freddie-gray-death-prosecutor-marilyn-mosby-lays-out-chain-events-n352096
elissa (2288f1) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:46 pmThere are so many stupid knife laws. In Texas I carry a fixed blade knife, either a neck knife or a boot knife. Because as long as the blade is less than 5″ long and it doesn’t have a double edge, all the other features that could make it illegal would only apply to a folding knife.
When I visit my folks in Kali I carry a folding knife, as a fixed blade knife would be illegal.
Anything I could do in either jurisdiction with a knife that’s a crime, and it’s all pretty much the same, is already a crime. So I don’t see why it should matter to anyone anywhere if I have a fixed blade knife on paracord around my kneck or a folding knife in my pocket.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:50 pmThat talib kweli is too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.
JD (3b5483) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:51 pmHere are booking shots of some of the policemen. The pics and names seem a little off/confusing. But these are definitely both black and white cops who are being charged.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/baltimore-states-attorney-happened-freddie-gray/story?id=30732387
elissa (2288f1) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:53 pmThanks @7 Dana
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:56 pmDepraved heart is the phrase suggesting reckless disregard of human life.
Okay, I’m confused. Four separate crimes charging causing a death, but only a single victim. Don’t they have “lesser included charges”? Talk about stacking charges…
Roy in Nipomo (e8f8e6) — 5/1/2015 @ 5:57 pmElissa, I know several blacks named Ceasar but no whites. Based on which the officer facing the most serious charge is a black man. Is it racism to point that out?
kishnevi (9c4b9c) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:01 pmTwo blacks, one the only female. I don’t think it’s racist to point it out. It’s just dreadfully sad it even matters on any level.
Dana (86e864) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:07 pmKish–In the picture Ceasar looks pretty black to me. So I don’t think calling him black is racism. But I am no expert. I think the racial uh, diversity of those being charged does substantially change the “narrative” that much of the media has been stoking and alters the image of racist white cops “killing” Freddy that most of America was assuming because of the media.
elissa (2288f1) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:11 pmThree blacks and three whites, Dana. Yes the female is black.
elissa (2288f1) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:13 pmA prediction: as black miscreants in other cities absorb Baltimore’s example of near non-existent riot control, the events there will spread, with similar economic (e.g., flight of successful, value-added businesses) and demographic (e.g., “white flight”) consequences. Race-baiting clowns like Al Sharpton, Michael Eric Dyson and Marc Lamont Hill (to name but a few) will blame the now-accelerated deterioration in mostly-black neighborhoods on Republicans and “white greed”. The MSM, if they cover this at all, will tell us all the violence is just an understandable response to the deprivation of low-income neighborhoods, racism and misplaced priorities and decry the flight of the saner element with the wherewithal to move to safer areas as “racist.”
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:22 pmis this like that dress thing
i see 3 and 3
happyfeet (831175) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:22 pmOne of the black cops may have a white grandmother, so don’t be surprised if you soon see him described as a “white African-American” ala the “white Hispanic” Zimmerman.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:25 pmA number of people have been pointing to 48 continuous years of Democratic Party rule in Baltimore, and saying that the current state of things illustrates its miserable failure.
But I think this isn’t right: Baltimore consistently votes heavily Democratic, recently at around 85%. So from the Party’s point of view, their rule there has been an enormous, shining success. True, there has been a certain cost in the form urban blight, crime, murder, ruined lives, human misery and hopelessness. But ‘you can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs’, and the goals of the Party are being advanced, so on balance, what’s not to like?
Geoff Vader (d37238) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:28 pmThe most serious charge was filed against the driver of the police van. And he is black. Wonder what Al Sharpton will say …since he cares not one twit about black on black homicide.. But then, for that matter, neither does Obama. Neither do liberals.
And how will the media handle the most serious charge being filed against a black police officer. What will Lamont say? What will Charles Blow(hard) say?
Robert (1c758d) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:28 pmNo, it’s me, Happyfeet ., I was looking on iPhone and it cut off pics. Clearly not the new 6.
Dana (37f695) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:29 pmFurther info—-Rice (white) is a Lieutenant, White (female black) is a Sergeant. The other four were officers.
elissa (2288f1) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:36 pm#22… point taken, Vader! lol
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:41 pmGOOD! Now it is a happy may day! Don’t forget may 4th 45 anniversary of kent state!
no justice no peace (86c7f2) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:42 pmSo, I guess the claim is that he was injured while being bounced around with reckless driving without a seat belt?
I resent the garbage about how Mr. Gray or the people of Baltimore or whoever will get justice…
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:44 pmwhen justice is an all or none thing. It is society and all of the people in society that either get justice or they don’t.
Unless some outstanding charge or warrant is being withheld from the public, there appears to be no compelling reason why Freddy was arrested, cuffed, shackled, and transported in the hell van.
elissa (2288f1) — 5/1/2015 @ 6:51 pmIf the cops were really banging Gray around for a little street justice, they need to understand that is unprofessional and outside the ROE with Joe Citizen.
steveg (fed1c9) — 5/1/2015 @ 7:02 pmA professional cop is expected to process difficult persons with integrity throughout the contact and never take it personally.
My guess though is that none of these officers get more than a slap on the wrist, but none of them will remain in law enforcement being damaged goods.
The riot that results when the cops win, will be timed to occur after Obama leaves office
Elissa, the actions seen in the video of him being forced to the van, plus his initial flight, would probably be the base of a charge of resisting arrest without force.
I presume the original arrest was made on the presumption. that he was involved in something illegal, the knife charge being a hook to allow further search and questions. The real problem in this case is how he was treated from the time he was put inside the van.
BTW I was channeling Daleyrocks in the racism comment. According to leftist theology, Goodson is guilty of racism against blacks. The fact that he himself is black is irrelevant to their theology.
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 5/1/2015 @ 7:07 pmcity living
mg (31009b) — 5/1/2015 @ 7:44 pmsuch a riot
filth and death
at our expense
The most exasperating aspect of stories like this involving Marilyn Mosby is that too many folks like her (ie, of the left), when encountering and residing in socio-political wastelands like Baltimore, generally have enough sense (despite their ideology) to get the hell out of such places. But when they move to more stable, more reliable communities, they take their politics with them.
They’re the ones who turn so-called red places into “purple” cities (or suburbs) or purple states, and I resent that. (However, Mosby apparently does call West Baltimore home, so I can’t fault her for talking a good game during the workday and then escaping to some neighborhood far removed from the aforementioned wasteland.)
Mark (607f93) — 5/1/2015 @ 7:54 pmtried to sever my spine..at disneyland..twice
pdbuttons (944767) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:02 pmat space mountain
cost me a lot of disney dollars
i smoked a joint on another slower ride
cost me a lot of disney dollars
i want to turn myself in
aljazeera on the Baltimore poor white hillbilly perspective
steveg (fed1c9) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:08 pmhttp://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/1/class-not-race-the-engine-of-police-harassment-in-baltimore.html
I wonder what Baltimore would look like without police.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:26 pmWell, this has been an enlightening story for mob rule. I’ve seen it in lesser instances, but 6 officers charged for criminal injury and manslaughter when there is thin evidence that they even caused the injury purposefully takes the cake.
Dejectedhead (b6399b) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:27 pmState’s attorney Marilyn Mosby commented when announcing charges:
To the people of Baltimore and the demonstrators across America, I heard your call for ‘no justice, no peace.’ Your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man, those that are angry or hurt or have their own
Dana (86e864) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:32 pmComplete quote:
To the people of Baltimore and the demonstrators across America, I heard your call for ‘no justice, no peace.’ Your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man, those that are angry or hurt or have their own experience of injustice.
Dana (86e864) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:34 pmIt seems an unwise comment to make, as well as one that does not lend itself to impartiality.
Dana (86e864) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:36 pmSince when has VJ been impartial. I’ll wager she’s still pulling the strings.
Gazzer (c1d25a) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:37 pmI don’t think the Fraternal Order of Police and the nation’s Police Departments are just going to roll over on their backs about this. It’s going to be interesting. Young, inexperienced, ambitious, Marilyn may have bit off more than she can chew.
elissa (2288f1) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:38 pmWas this arrest legal? Almost certainly.
DRJ (e80d46) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:47 pmmarilyn mosby=loretta lynch=eric holder=corrupt=racists
Jim (84e66d) — 5/1/2015 @ 8:59 pmAlmost certainly.
In case people don’t click on your link, this portion of that page’s text is very revealing:
Mark (607f93) — 5/1/2015 @ 9:01 pmThat is a very useful link DRJ. Thanks. I like the way Andrew Branca laid out case law for police stops against the known facts of this case. He was also excellent in his analysis and coverage of the Zimmerman trial and I assume he’s licking his chops to get at this one too (if it gets that far.).
elissa (2288f1) — 5/1/2015 @ 9:23 pmI just want to recap here. A man with a criminal record was taken into police custody. While in police custody, he received injuries that proved fatal. The police officers in this case have been charged and arrested after warrants have been issued. At some point, a grand jury will be convened to hear evidence in the case presented by the District Attorney. If the grand jury decides that, based on evidence, the accused should be tried in court, they will be face a jury of their peers.
Have I got something wrong?
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 5/1/2015 @ 9:52 pmWe haven’t seen such judicial efficiency since the Salem witch trials.
AZ Bob (a3c8fe) — 5/1/2015 @ 10:19 pmSo much is going to ride on that other perp who rode in the wagon. Thus far, at a minimum, it appears there was no infamous “rough ride.”
Given how a huge number of arrestees claim injury and police brutality without any basis, the fact they turned a deaf ear to him is not gonna be enough to convict the cops.
One thing for which I am most definitely going to get out the popcorn is the fight over venue. We have a reverse OJ here. If they manage to get this moved out of the immediate urban area, the cops will win a hung jury, if not acquittal. To me, venue is the entire outcome. Inner city jury? Convictions.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 5/1/2015 @ 11:27 pmdid anyone pull the GPS & black box on the van? or track it’s location via radio carrier?
these days, the memory of the on board chip should confirm or deny a wild ride.
all that telemetry is recorded, as least for a short period
a movement analysis would also generally establish in what manner the route was traveled by the vehicle, given the known start & finish time, plus route & vehicle information.
if no one went for any of the data, you know this is a show trial.
welcome to the purges, comrade.
redc1c4 (589173) — 5/2/2015 @ 12:30 amThe spirit of Danton and the committee of public safety, during the French revolution, is STRONG in Mosby.
mike191 (b4a717) — 5/2/2015 @ 3:56 amDidya hear about Fred?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:32 amWell, Freddie’s dead
That’s what I said
If ya wannabe a junkie why?
just think of Fred
Remember Freddie’s dead
Mosby seems to be both an acolyte and practitioner of the philosophy of infamous Alcee Hastings who will forever be known for his “all this talk about rules? we make ’em up as we go along.”
elissa (9fb63c) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:36 amHis hope was a rope
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:40 amHis change was some chains
There’s no love in that town
But he should’ve known
Now his chances are blown
I’m sure all would agree
That his misery was this
Blue City thing
Now Freddie’s dead
That’s what I said
Burma Shave…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:41 amInteresting comment over at Althouse. His neighbors described Caesar Goodson as a quiet family man. He is going to look good in the trial, will testify in his own defense and the white jurors from the new venue will acquit him in 5 minutes. The trial will be just before the 2016 election and the rioting will resume with his acquittal.
Holder’s DoJ will indict him for civil rights violation, which probably should’ve been the charge in the first place, and that will be dropped by President Walker’s DoJ.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:46 amThis link containing an interview with Alan Dershowitz is worth a look. I think he correctly paints the speed of the arrests and these over the top charges and the states’s attorney’s language as a blatant political attempt to get the immediate rioting stopped in Baltimore before the weekend.
http://weaselzippers.us/222422-alan-dershowitz-baltimore-prosecutor-over-charged-officers-identified-with-protesters-saying-youre-at-forefront-of-this-cause-and-as-young-people-our-time-is-now/
elissa (9fb63c) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:46 amthis circus is falling down on its knees the big top is crumbling down
there’s riots in Baltimore, fifty miles east
failmerica’s running aground
i need a sunburn
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:39 amI’ve updated the post with State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby’s comment which I posted last night at #39. I thought it was an important comment and one that certainly lends credence to the possibility that this was rushed at the least and an effort to assuage the agitators and agitated:
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:41 amMr. buttons! disneywhirl is where the magic is
and princesses!
and you can get a fruit cup
and there’s dinosaurs
and you can play light sabers
and fireworks, Gandalf! The most wonderful fireworks you ever saw!
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:42 amI would not be surprised if the van driver gave Gray “a ride” in its most violent definition. But it would have to be proven.
I have a problem with charging the others for inaction vs. action. It presumes that their action might have changed the outcome, but that is by no means certain from what I understand the injuries to be.
Loren (2b53d4) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:48 amRegarding potential conflicts of interest for Mosby:
Mosby’s husband is a councilman in the epicenter of protests, representing West Baltimore’s 7th District. He is being lauded as a hero after getting into a verbal exchange with a Fox News reporter:
and,
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 9:06 amFurther: Mosby been in the position of prosecutor for four months. She ran on the platform of holding the police accountable and accused her opponent of “being too cozy with officers and too out of touch with the citizens of Baltimore”.
She ran on the platform of holding the police accountable and accused her opponent of “being too cozy with officers and too out of touch with the citizens of Baltimore”.
Ditto for the town where the police force (of six) all resigned.
This will have interesting implications. Thank God I don’t live in Baltimore.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/2/2015 @ 9:32 am“Justice”: it’s all about the women:
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 10:07 amWe are returning to the era of Tammany Hall. Civil service has been completely politicized. You don’t like the cops? talk to your mayor and her claque; she hired them.
Too bad our cities are be
patricia (5fc097) — 5/2/2015 @ 10:11 aming destroyed just so we can relearn history. I have to drive through your ruins at times but I will not stop, or care.
if hillary gets to the white house we’ll have four (4) individual pairs of breasts on the case making the justice and the healing!
that’s a heap-load of justice and a smorgasbord of healing
dem pups is gonna get a well-deserved break looks like
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 10:15 am==‘If, with the nation watching, three black women at three different levels can’t get justice and healing for this community, you tell me where we’re going to get it in our country,’ the mayor said.==
They need to come up with some kind of cool “wise Latina” type slogan for themselves, I think.
elissa (9fb63c) — 5/2/2015 @ 10:55 amHmmm…Sage Sistas?
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 11:00 amelissa – Ad nauseam
mg (31009b) — 5/2/2015 @ 11:07 amAndrew Branco throws the BS flag on the “unlawful arrest” charge.
it’s becoming clearer and clearer that this is all kabuki theater to appease the mob, and if it destroys the lives of 6 people and their families, too bad.
this isn’t the country i was born in, nor is the one i gave 20 years of my life, and a considerable portion of my health, to defend.
this will not end well…for any of us.
redc1c4 (dab236) — 5/2/2015 @ 11:49 amif it’s divisive and racial failmerica slurps it up like carnitas tacos on taco tuesday
provided it has a loaded ebt card anyways
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 11:53 ambut a lot of people are overlooking how hard Marilyn Mosby works to straighten her hair
and the results are truly fabulous
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 11:55 amhere is the story of Mr. nk
which, there’s no real story
all is well
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 11:56 amhappyfeet,
Springtime is for lovers. I hope nk is enjoying the fullness of the season. Thanks for the update on his whereabouts.
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 12:04 pmyes yes np
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 12:17 pmwas the martyred St Freddy really just a snitch putting on a show for the street?
redc1c4 (dab236) — 5/2/2015 @ 12:32 pmone notes in the LUN, the level of deception to the smallest possible detail,
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/2/2015 @ 1:00 pmI posted this in the other thread, but it seems more appropriate here
From Baltimore FOP Twitter feed
https://mobile.twitter.com/FOP3
.THANK YOU for your generous support. We are working to set up a donation point directly on our website. Until then please send to:
Baltimore City FOP, Lodge #3
kishnevi (9c4b9c) — 5/2/2015 @ 1:54 pm3920 Buena Vista Avenue
Baltimore, MD 21211
What is the correct spelling of the deceased’s name? Everything calls him “Freddie Gray” but the Statement of Charges calls him “Freddie Carlos Grey, Jr.” Is this a typo?
Changing topics, I have a feeling the Baltimore authorities will try to cut a deal with the 3 black officers for their testimony against the 3 white officers, who appear to be the ones that arrested Gray/Grey. Right now the most serious charges are against Goodson, the black officer who drove the van, but if the evidence indicates he called for Gray/Grey to be buckled in by the arresting officers but they failed to do it. (I’ve seen reports that his defense may be that securing prisoners is the job of the arresting officers.) I could see the prosecutors agreeing to give immunity to the officers in exchange for their testimony and, if they do that, this may end up being a black vs white trial after all.
DRJ (e80d46) — 5/2/2015 @ 1:57 pmFreddie’s dead… that’s what I said.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:04 pmthese failmerican popos, they do not value life the same way we do in our culture
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:07 pmOn the other hand, as this article suggests, the authorities may focus on the two black officers for not getting medical help for Gray/Grey. If that’s the prosecution’s plan, then it may be the black female Sergeant who gets the immunity offer.
DRJ (e80d46) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:07 pmThe link in my comment 82 seems to have many incorrect statements. Please read it with a grain of salt.
DRJ (e80d46) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:09 pmIf Baltimore authorities did that, DRJ, it would certainly speak volumes.
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:10 pmIt all goes back to one man… http://t.co/39RE1vsB8U
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:12 pmthe daily basilisk is rather inadequate with many of these issues
http://therightscoop.com/fox-news-bombshell-freddie-gray-tested-positive-for-heroin-and-pot-cops-saw-him-dealing-drugs/
so lets see the actual evidence,
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:13 pmlast time i checked, the operator of a vehicle is responsible for the passengers/cargo on board, regardless of who might have loaded it.
“it’s not my j*b” is not a valid legal defense in this case, AFAIK.
redc1c4 (6d1848) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:14 pmIf nothing else, the Daily Beast seems unaware that the phenomenon of arrestees trying fake injuries and pain at the hands of police has a long history. But I suspect the six cops had that in mind.
kishnevi (adea75) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:18 pmnarciso,
I heard that last night. It seems Gray/Grey had a record for a reason and, if that’s true, it might matter to people who felt the arrest was improper. But Andrew Branca at Legal Insurrection makes a good argument that there was a valid Terry stop and subsequent arrest following flight. If Branca’s analysis is correct, it doesn’t matter if they saw Gray/Grey doing a drug deal.
DRJ (e80d46) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:18 pmoh big man got a knife do ya well we gonna take you downtown and sort this out hahaha (evil popo laugh)
get in the scooby van little boy
and watch you head
we ridin’ dirty today!
we gonna do some social justice on you head old school style
it’s all in good fun til somebody gets hurt
when will people learn
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:20 pmI’ve seen to many of these rodeos, to trust the official narrative, transmitted on state run media, that’s why one almost has to rely on samizdat sources like the Treehouse, which isn’t perfect, but has a fairly solid track record,
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:21 pmmeanwhile, our #SCOAMF spouts his usual dishonest BS on national TV, and gets called on it by the firefighter’s national union.
let’s face it: Obola is the #FirstThug
redc1c4 (6d1848) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:29 pmDRJ (e80d46) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:07 pm
I believe it’s been mentioned (either at Powerline, or Hotair) that Sgt. Alicia White was there to investigate the civilian complaints filed via phone over Gray’s original stop and detention – that she got in at the tail end of the situation.
askeptic (efcf22) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:54 pmHave any of the details of the Coroner’s Report been made available as yet?
askeptic (efcf22) — 5/2/2015 @ 2:56 pmThings like his blood-work?
no, askeptic, it’s verdict first evidence after,
http://therightscoop.com/baltimore-police-charges-are-not-about-justice-theyre-about-crowd-control-says-alan-derschowitz/
I think it’s about reinforcing ‘narratives’ but the method is the same.
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/2/2015 @ 3:31 pmallegedly, he tested positive for heroin & marijuana.
redc1c4 (b340a6) — 5/2/2015 @ 4:20 pmmoar background on St Freddy, that you will never see in our MFM.
it’s a helluva note that foreign news sources are more informative than local ones.
redc1c4 (b340a6) — 5/2/2015 @ 4:24 pmcaution, the Daily Mail has been more often than not, followers of the narrative in these situations,
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/2/2015 @ 4:29 pmthe BBC is reporting that princess kate is gonna name the new little royal baby creature “princess freddi-cakes” in honor of our friend freddie gray who perished so needlessly in baltimore recently
she’s so awesome
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 4:36 pmIt will be weeks before facts are revealed, rather than speculation and biased statements that will be forgotten.
In view of the obvious bias in the demonstrators who are trying already to influence the jury pool, there will have to be a change of venue. I think the case sounds weak so far. The injuries are a puzzle. I’ve seen broken necks from minor injury mechanisms. “Crushed larynx” is quite different and I don’t see how the two are related. He’s already buried. At least they didn’t insist on cremation. The Michael Brown autopsy was controversial because of the fake “pathologist” retained by the family lawyer.
We’ll see if the Baltimore one is any better.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/2/2015 @ 5:03 pmwell, except the original template, is very hard to remove, we saw that with Kasnoff’s doubleunplusgood reaction to the Ferguson screenplay,
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/2/2015 @ 5:05 pmThe Baltimore DA office is now lying about the witness who was in the van with Freddie Gray. The assistant on the case has a lesbian lover who is a TV reporter and did a fake interview with a guy who said he was the other van passenger.
The plot thickens. This is really going to be a mess before it gets to a jury. Tampering all over the case.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/2/2015 @ 5:27 pmJust keep in mind it has not gone to grand jury–there have not been any indictments yet–all we have is a placeholder potemkin case to try to keep the lid on for a few days. Even if part of it goes to trial, it could go before a judge and not a jury.
elissa (c8423f) — 5/2/2015 @ 5:37 pmactually elissa, it’s the blithe ignorance of procedure all the way through is disconcerting:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-ci-freddie-gray-investigation-20150502-story.html#page=1
she avoided the grand jury exactly for this reason,
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/2/2015 @ 5:41 pmshe avoided the grand jury exactly for this reason,
I wonder what else she will avoid. Maybe she should ask Marcia Clark and Chris Darden for advice.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 5/2/2015 @ 6:08 pmthere are no statements from the officers in this review,
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/2/2015 @ 6:17 pmNobody interested in Ag80’s comment at 47, I see
Leviticus (bbacb8) — 5/2/2015 @ 6:52 pmno justice no peace Mr. Leviticus
that’s how we roll now
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 6:57 pmWhy do you say nobody’s interested, Leviticus? I think everybody’s interested in finding out what happened–but are also concerned that a few steps have been skipped along the way in the district attorneys office. What is your opinion?
elissa (c8423f) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:05 pmthe problem is mrs, Mosby is avoiding that second half of the process,
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:12 pmMarilyn’s hair is fabulous to the power of beyonce
i remember when that was enough
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:15 pmIf you are interested, you are nobody.
Steve57 (818fa4) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:20 pmNobody interested in Ag80′s comment at 47, I see
Leviticus (bbacb8) — 5/2/2015 @ 6:52 pm
Why don’t you say what you really mean, Leviticus. Because your comment feels a bit manipulative. That there wasn’t a response on the thread does not mean that we are not interested or that it did not provoke further thought.
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:27 pmFurther, there are any number of concerns that are being addressed and discussed in this thread with a lot of insightful information and possibility pertaining to the case. There wasn’t much to ad to Ag80’s comment as it sounded about right to me. But that doesn’t preclude discussion.
Frankly, it feels like you may be judging commenters for not having expressed sympathy toward Gray and instead more voiced concern about a possible u level playing field for the police. Is this so?
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:31 pmEh, using iPad… Sloppy typing on it.
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:32 pmi added this to my cloud after Mr. sdferr linkered it the other day
it kinda sticks with you and after a few listens you understand that Baltimore been a long time dying
not unlike sumner redstone but poor, so desperately poor
and hookers are involved
happyfeet (831175) — 5/2/2015 @ 7:37 pmwell, AG80 left out the part where the charges, in general, appear to be politically motivated and filed by someone who likely should have recused themselves, and that some of them, such as “false arrest” are, more than likely, totally unsustainable, which is an indication that the person proffering them is either incompetent, or biased. (link is up thread)
also left out is that, because of the sensationalist and dishonest reporting, the accused are unlikely to get a fair trial anywhere, as the MFM has poisoned the well far & wide. a jury of their peers would be other police officers who have been in similar situations, which they definitely will not get. (no one gets a jury of their peers: what you get is a jury of people too stupid to get out of jury duty.)
finally, he left out the obvious similarities in this case to the attempted judicial lynching of George Zimmerman.
other than that, he pretty much nailed it.
😉
redc1c4 (34e91b) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:29 pmpersonally, i have NO sympathy for St Freddie: if he hadn’t lived a life of crime, chances are he never would have been in the back of the van to begin with.
when you play stupid games, you tend to win stupid prizes.
redc1c4 (589173) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:33 pmMeanwhile, a New York police officer was shot in the face and critically injured in Queens this evening. He is in surgery but is expected to survive. Following a house to house search the shooter, an ex-con who had served seven years for attempted murder, was arrested.
http://nypost.com/2015/05/02/nypd-cop-shot-in-the-head-in-queens/
elissa (c8423f) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:35 pmI guess that SAFE Act needs to be adjusted to ensure that convicted felons can’t access firearms in NYS.
askeptic (efcf22) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:46 pmI reminded myself I had heard something on NPR Marketplace a while back about Baltimore. And it wasn’t pretty. ..
kishnevi (91d5c6) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:46 pmhttp://www.marketplace.org/topics/sustainability/water-high-price-cheap/baltimore-sewers-time-bombs-buried-under-streets
#120: as if criminals buy their firearms through legal channels…
redc1c4 (34e91b) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:53 pmBy The Associated Press
10:30 p.m.
New York Police Department Commissioner William Bratton said a plainclothes officer shot in the head Saturday is in stable condition and undergoing surgery.
Bratton said Officer Brian Moore and his partner Erik Jansen were pulling up on Demitrius Blackwell in their unmarked police car to stop and question him because he was acting suspiciously.
Police have said the officers noticed a dip in his waistband suggestive of concealing a handgun.
Bratton said the officers exchanged words with Blackwell when the 35-year-old man turned and fired at least two rounds into the car. Bratton said it was clear Moore and Jansen were police.
The commissioner said Jansen radioed for help and a nearby patrol car rushed Moore to the hospital.
During a search, Blackwell was arrested 90 minutes later in a nearby house.
Dana (86e864) — 5/2/2015 @ 8:56 pmNot to worry about justice prevailing. She is obviously an affirmative action candidate.
Jim (84e66d) — 5/2/2015 @ 9:00 pmI guess they were correct in their hunch about that dip in his waistband, Dana!
elissa (c8423f) — 5/2/2015 @ 10:07 pmJust put up a new post about the Queens shooting.
JVW (8278a3) — 5/2/2015 @ 10:10 pmOne Harvard lawyer was not impressed by the indictments:
seeRpea (81fcfe) — 5/2/2015 @ 10:15 pmhttp://www.ijreview.com/2015/05/311371-epic-rant-alan-dershowitz-slugs-baltimore-mayor-prosecutor-police-charges/
122- red, I thought by now you wouldn’t need a ‘sarc tag’.
askeptic (efcf22) — 5/2/2015 @ 11:32 pm128: i’m skeptical on that issue… 😉
redc1c4 (b340a6) — 5/3/2015 @ 2:58 ammeanwhile, black sheriff says that the charges are the Duke Lacrosse fiasco and the George Zimmerman attempted lynching all over again.
redc1c4 (b340a6) — 5/3/2015 @ 3:29 am“Present-day blacks are angry about injustices committed not against them, but acts which may (or may not) have been committed against their ancestors.
Whites and others who aren’t black are expected to feel guilt for acts they did not even commit.
Inherited anger and/or guilt for acts in which one did not even participate is obviously a logical fallacy, but that doesn’t seem to matter to the race-hustlers and their enablers. Over the last half-century, the nation has spent billions in taxpayer funds on redressing racial grievances and blacks – as a demographic cohort – have been the beneficiaries of a vast menu of privileges and special programs available to no one else. None of this seems to have mattered – race-relations are at an very low ebb, and militant blacks are angrier than ever.”
– The New Roots « The Thinking Housewife
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/3/2015 @ 10:58 amthe weekly summary:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/05/the_great_american_traveling_riot_circus.html
narciso (ee1f88) — 5/3/2015 @ 3:49 pmSo the Feds’ approach to policing the ghetto when the police stand down will be..
Let it burn?
DNF (208255) — 5/4/2015 @ 9:48 amWOW! 133 posts before this one – and not 1 took issue with Obama’s above statement: Upon receiving news of the charges against the officers, President Obama stated it is “absolutely vital that the truth comes out”.
Further:
“[I] think the people of Baltimore want more than anything else is the truth,” he said. “That’s what people around the country expect.”
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Obama + truth, simply does not compute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
Considering the Freddie Gray incident/death, after the comments of Mayor Rawlings-Blake, State’s Attorney Mosby, Obama, Sharpton, Cummings and so many others – it is equally clear – Baltimore + truth, simply does not compute.
The largest problem America faces is that LYING has become our currency, and the high degree in which we tolerate LYING and LIARS. With and when that is true, every other problem is just a symptom.
On September 20, 1992 the LA Times ran noted historian and author Richard Reeve’s commentary piece “THE LIE, BIG AND SMALL: 20-th Century American Ethics – How Did We Become So tolerant Of Lying”. In part that piece stated:
“If the worst is true and the United States is indeed destroying itself economically or ecologically, politically or spiritually, this will be our epitaph: ‘THEY LIED.’ …
“It’s killing us. How can government of the people survive if the people believe or accept things that are not true, and that they know are not true. Even leaving President Bush and Bill Clinton out of this, lies are personal and public betrayals more certain to overthrow a country than violence; and if there are more of them now at all levels of American life, it means we are in greater trouble that we think.”
Reeve’s piece written over twenty-three (23) years ago. That is not a short time period. Stop. Ask yourself, whether during that time, if we have become even greater lairs? greater acceptors of lies? Or, have we changed? Improved ourselves and our institutions and now have more regard for the truth?
Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. GLZ.
Gary L. Zerman (c6aa03) — 5/5/2015 @ 5:54 am