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2/21/2015

The WaPo Clutching Pearls Over Some “Venting”

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:22 am



[guest post by Dana]

Scott Walker, notorious college dropout, is ruffling feathers. How do we know this? He is now the target of a full-blown #12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. He’s being Alinskied, making it plainly clear he’s perceived as a threat that needs to be shut down and brought to heel. Good for him.

His blasphemies include favorable polling, declining to answer questions about evolution, declining to criticize this administration’s foreign policy while on foreign soil, and dropping out of college for no better reason than GETTING A JOB. Further, when taking into consideration his lack of requisite apologies for these decisions and evidencing a backbone as well as his historical resiliency and popularity in Wisconsin (despite repeated attempts by the left to take him down), it’s clear to see why he’s on the Alinskyites’ radar.

With that, the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank is throwing a tantrum as he clumsily pushes ahead with #12. Milbank asserts that since Walker was sitting just a few seats away from Giuliani at the dinner they were attending when that comment was made, Walker, on top of all of his other sins, behaved with cowardice by not defending the president and taking Giuliani to task. During a televised interview the next morning, Walker explained:

“The mayor can speak for himself. I’m not going to comment on what the president thinks or not. He can speak for himself as well. I’ll tell you, I love America, and I think there are plenty of people — Democrat, Republican, independent, everyone in between — who love this country.”

But did he agree with Giuliani? “I’m in New York,” Walker demurred. “I’m used to people saying things that are aggressive out there.”

Quelle horreur!

Milbank, upon hearing Walker’s explanation for not intervening, called him “spineless” and hysterically asserted that Walker’s act of “cowardice” should disqualify him from being a serious presidential contender:

This is what’s alarming about the Giuliani affair. There will always be people on the fringe who say outrageous things (and Giuliani, once a respected public servant, has sadly joined the nutters as he questioned the president’s patriotism even while claiming he was doing no such thing). But to have a civilized debate, it’s necessary for public officials to disown such beyond-the-pale rhetoric. And Walker failed that fundamental test of leadership.

Milbank concludes:

Walker surely knew it was horrible, too, but he refused to say so — and in this failure he displayed a cowardice unworthy of a man who would be president.

So, Milbank believes there is an obligation on the part of public officials to disown beyond-the-pale rhetoric? Really? Because I didn’t hear any disowning come from the White House when Obama car czar Steve Rattner framed Tea Partiers as suicide bombers , or when Steny Hoyer (D) said that Republicans want to shoot every bullet they have at the president, or when Rep. Andre Carson (D) said tea party members want to see people like him hanging from a tree or when Rep. Steve Israel (D) blamed Tea Party political rhetoric-turning-violent for the Gabrielle Gifford shooting or when President Obama accused Republicans of holding a gun to the head of the American people, etc. And not to get on my high horse or anything, but I also didn’t hear Milbank level accusations of cowardice at the White House for their silence in these matters.

But really, if the vice-president himself declines to disown beyond-the-pale rhetoric and instead refers to it as “venting”, what’s the problem with Walker not disowning Giuliani’s “venting” as well?

–Dana

98 Responses to “The WaPo Clutching Pearls Over Some “Venting””

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. “But that’s different” said the partisan hack.

    Dana (86e864)

  3. The Obama administration is actively clearing out our military leadership on the basis of whether or not they are climate change deniers. OUr status of arms is being attritted from within, leaving behind the type of dance around the issue, or just plain idiots and political appointees.

    US Navy reacts to blockbuster Rolling Stone climate change story

    Does that sound patriotic to you?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  4. type of officers who dance around the issue *

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  5. the thing about all this that makes me so sad is realizing how Obama’s a sleazy jew-hating whore that doesn’t love America

    what are we gonna do?

    we have to do something

    happyfeet (831175)

  6. The so called blockbuster is just a drone on and on about how a couple mm of sea level rise stretched out over centurys will be the ruin of Navy.

    It’s not just stupid, it’s stupid to the nth degree.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  7. it’s industy grade stupid.

    It’s Marie Harf drunk in a frat house stupid.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  8. Looks like Rudy’s really got their panties in a bunch with his “beyond the pale rhetoric”. Good on him. He said what many of us believe and based on this president’s own words and actions it is not beyond the pale to think that. I am much more interested in how various members of the GOP respond to this manufactured by the media brouhaha than what the usual partisan Dem pols or political hack spokespeople and media enablers say about it. It’s a way to see who’s got spine or not. Rudy gave them an opening. Let’s who else on our side has the courage to walk through.

    elissa (1e1ffc)

  9. Imma gonna guess that the navy is the most equipped to deal with ocean rises. Boats and all…

    Gazzer (db2fec)

  10. Former Mayor Giuliani told the truth, and Governor Walker didn’t criticize the remark because he knew that it was the truth.

    The left have never grown up from the Student Center coffee shop debates, where they thought that America was somehow the source of all of the world’s ills. I have seen no evidence that anyone in the Obama Administration has changed his mind about that since being graduated from college.

    The Dana telling the truth (1b79fa)

  11. oh my goodness David Brooks needs a fresh set of panties

    JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, there were several Republicans who denounced it after he said it.

    DAVID BROOKS: Yes. I think that’s incumbent upon Republicans to do that, just to police the party.

    As Mark says, it’s self-destructive. It’s not only bad taste, bad manners, bad morality. The country doesn’t want that kind of thing, I don’t think.

    happyfeet (831175)

  12. Yeah, if we had a real media, we could always ask why “policing” a party is necessary one way, but not the other.

    At least the MSM can’t squelch the one side—there are lots and lots of videos that demonstrate the hypocrisy.

    But yes, it’s just the Alinsky playbook.

    And wait until Hillary announces.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  13. I think he had a grip on the matter:

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgeorwe136282.html

    narciso (ee1f88)

  14. Elissa,

    More than GOP reactions in genral, I want to see the 2016 contenders’ reactions. That will speak volumes.

    Dana (c4d233)

  15. 12. judy woodruff’s husband is uber-lib al hunt. so we can always count on her for honest, unbiased reporting and fair questioning on issues.
    david brooks, lol. oh david, the country may not want, but definitely does need “this type of thing”. i’m so sorry rudy ruined your comfort level at the DC cocktail party circuit this weekend.

    elissa (1e1ffc)

  16. The comment was a bit awkward but, as Orwell said In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.

    That is what is going on here.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  17. Narciso,

    Jindal, not Rubio.

    Dana (c4d233)

  18. yes I used it as a contrast:

    http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/02/21/rubio-responds-giuliani-controversy-mocking-biden

    they always apologize for Biden, whereas our side rarely stand behind those who speak truth to power,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  19. Here is what Rubio said:

    “I don’t feel like I’m in a position to have to answer for every person in my party that makes a claim. Democrats aren’t asked to answer every time Joe Biden says something embarrassing, so I don’t know why I should answer every time a Republican does. I’ll suffice it to say that I believe the President loves America; I think his ideas are bad.”

    WaPo said of Rubio:

    “In one fell swoop, Rubio gets in a dig at the media, brings in another regular gaffer in Biden, places himself above the fray, says Obama loves America (as everybody should; it’s not hard, and it’s the right political move), and criticizes Obama in a very blunt way.”

    I wish Rubio had not implied Rudy’s comment was embarrassing but over all I don’t have a problem with what he said.

    elissa (1e1ffc)

  20. It would be less irritating if dummies like Millbank at least were candid and honest enough to admit the only reason they either excoriate or embrace a politician or person in general is due to his or her being liberal or conservative. Enough with all this posturing and pure baloney. I’m sick of it, even more so when left-leaning fools like Millbank have allowed various socio-political standards throughout this country to be dumbed down, low, lower, lowest.

    Holding Walker to a pre-required, supposedly non-ideological standard as determined by someone like Millbank in this era of Obama and Clinton truly is the height of absurdity and hypocrisy.

    Mark (c160ec)

  21. Hey, Walker for prez, Giulani for VP in 2016?

    Patricia (5fc097)

  22. everyone’s acting like this a big huge gotcha moment but all Obama has to do is come out and say “yeah that’s probably something I need to work on” and bam everyone would just move on like nothing happened

    it’s basic crisis management 101

    happyfeet (831175)

  23. it’s journolist, there isn’t a single fainting spell that isn’t contrived, Milbank is not dense enough to be a Voxplainer, they only have five slots,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  24. i know

    we put food stamp in the middle of a circle

    we put america on one side and some of his Iranian nuclear friends on the other

    then we see which one he goes to!

    happyfeet (831175)

  25. Walker yes, Giuliani no, not for anything unless some cesspool like New York wants to make him its mayor or something. Let’s not go overboard because a blind hog found an acorn. He (and his pending impotence due to his prostate condition which upset the mistress he paraded in front of his wife) is the reason Rod Ham became Senatrix from New York.

    nikita kasablankov (dbc370)

  26. Walker/Jindal 2016
    maybe

    meanwhile, our mayor (I’m blanking on his name, that’s odd) compared the Republican Party to Isis since the repubs want to shut down the Dept of homeland security…
    http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/02/10/nutter-congressional-republicans-almost-acting-like-isis/

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  27. Well, Patricia I have been hoping Rudy’d be Attorney General someday.

    elissa (1e1ffc)

  28. Sorry, I always forget to switch back.

    nk (dbc370)

  29. Brucella has this same problem

    happyfeet (831175)

  30. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.

    If they at least were required to live in some socio-economic disaster zone, either in the UK, another part of the Western World (eg, cities like Detroit) or a banana republic in South America or Africa — where just about all their neighbors will be closer to them on the ideological spectrum than those places where most of their neighbors will be of the right — I’d have less problem with their view of things.

    Mark (c160ec)

  31. you’re just mean nikita. and not seeing the big picture. and not a very good historian, either.

    elissa (1e1ffc)

  32. as if Lazio really did any better, it was fate for Guiliani to remain mayor on September 11th,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  33. Anyway, he’s too old.

    nk (dbc370)

  34. Lazio was thrown in the breach when Giuliani wimped out in the middle of the race. He was not able to catch up.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. Besides, Rudy’s “aggrieved” wife Donna Hanover in 2003 married her first love, her high school and college sweetheart, Ed. So it’s all good.

    Hanover published the book My Boyfriend’s Back: 50 True Stories of Reconnecting with a Long-Lost Love, relating her story as well as those of others who had rejoined with lost loves. She lives in both New York and California.

    elissa (1e1ffc)

  36. i wonder if Donna thinks food stamp loves America

    she sounds like something of a love expert

    happyfeet (831175)

  37. If team r had any sense Mr. Walker would be the only republican in the race.
    And the debate would be about v.p.
    Fiorina, West, Jindal, it can’t be another bush or bush type. R.R. never should have taken bush.

    mg (31009b)

  38. You too with the affirmative action, mg? Then let’s go Cruz, combine beef with dairy.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. Hey, but what about the Crusades?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  40. Watch that high horse there, daley.

    Dana (86e864)

  41. I also agree with Michael Auslin that the Walker camp needs to push back sooner rather than later and in the most effective way possible:

    But, Walker’s camp can respond in general by employing Alinsky’s Rule No. 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” Ridicule back those who fear someone without a college degree, or someone who takes on bloodsucking unions. Don’t let up.

    Dana (86e864)

  42. they vent about the wrong things, they insisted Benghazi was some arch film criticism gone awry:

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2015/02/suicide-bombings-by-islamic-states-province-rock-libyan-town.php

    narciso (ee1f88)

  43. Given its the Wash Po, I’d be worried where those pearls have been.

    Colonel Haiku (3bf827)

  44. 50 shades of omg wtf are you doing with those pearls

    RED RED RED

    RED DAMN YOU

    I’m telling your mom

    happyfeet (831175)

  45. Heh. Ann Althouse has a helpful post up which she hopes will assist non- Wisconsinites and “coasties” (like Dana Milbank) in understanding just who they are dealing with in Gov. Walker.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2015/02/non-wisconsinites-i-need-to-explain.html

    elissa (1e1ffc)

  46. You caught compromising, nk.
    I like Ted, but as others have stated, he could be one hell of a majority leader.

    mg (31009b)

  47. Is Millbank angling for his own program at PMSNBC?

    askeptic (efcf22)

  48. elissa @ 47,

    I think that Walker responded the way he did because a) he’s savvy enough to understand the set-up; b) he’s an old-school in that he believes grown men are just that – let Obama defend himself, let Giuliani defend himself; and c) he’s just way smarter than the MSM.

    Dana (86e864)

  49. I’ll suffice it to say that I believe the President loves America

    Scratch Rubio off the list.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  50. Walker needs a credible foreign policy expert as Veep, who is also unassailable as a potential President. Someone like Rice or Bolton. Not a hothead red-meat slinger, not another governor. Maybe a Senator, but they have to bring some missing strength; Sessions would do.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  51. Walker might take Bolton, sort of the way that Bush took Cheney. However, Cheney had a thicker resume than Bolton. The Dems hate Bolton which is an excellent point on his side.

    I wonder if Condi Rice is going to run for the Senate in California. She might prefer that but she would also have many pluses for Walker although I had my doubts about her as Sec State.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  52. Jake Tapper just posted this on Twitter. Wow.

    abcnews.go.com/Politics/infrastructure-spending-public-disapproval-of-the-president-and-the-new-hoffa-standard-todays-qs-for-os-wh-9620112/blogEntry?id=14459311&ref=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fr2bBGkDOyL

    Simon Jester (82337d)

  53. Bolton would be an excellent choice. Dems already hated him, but now that he’s gone and said that Obama is worse than Neville Chamberlin, well, I think he would be an asset to any president. I hope he throws away the notion of running in 2016 and sets his sights on a role more suited to his skill set. Either way, he’s sure intent on pushing national security to the forefront of the 2016 elections.

    Unfortunately, he is not a darling of the old guard GOP.

    Dana (86e864)

  54. Simon Jester,

    Try again with link.

    Dana (86e864)

  55. If BHO truly loves America, why does he want to ‘fundamentally transform’ her?

    Beasts of England (a48aa6)

  56. Not sure I get the Tapper entry above. But Mark Halperin seems to have gotten himself into the hot tweet water today.

    http://twitchy.com/2015/02/21/toe-the-line-or-birther-mark-halperin-ripped-for-unhinged-dig-on-scott-walker/

    elissa (bd28e5)

  57. Elissa, the Tapper bit was fabulous. He tweeted out this old video today. The point is that the Obama folk think it is fine to make a politician responsible for other people say…except when it is their guy. Nothing new, but so bloody obvious.

    Halperin is having some kind of crisis, I think.

    Walker has them in a tizzy. That’s good.

    I also very much liked how Rubio brought up Biden.

    The Right will need to close ranks and fight like heck. Not sit out a thing.

    The knives are already out.

    Simon Jester (82337d)

  58. Simon–Sorry, I didn’t and still don’t see Tapper’s tweet. What did he say to introduce the old article/vid?

    elissa (bd28e5)

  59. halperin and his ilk think president b. ho. will spare them at the cross.

    mg (31009b)

  60. @ Simon Jester,

    The Right will need to close ranks and fight like heck. Not sit out a thing.

    Absolutely! Circle the wagons and fight back with all the ammunition that’s been handed them on a silver plate – everything from the links in this post, the Hoffa business, and anything to do with Sarah Palin and the Tea Party. Dish it right back to them tenfold. Unfortunately, given the increasing squish-squish of the party as a whole and making it almost indistinguishable from the Dems, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the usual suspects make the rounds on the Sunday talk shows defending the president and scolding their brethren. To me, that would be far worse than just sitting it out. But at least since I’m conditioned now to expect exactly that, I won’t be surprised.

    Dana (86e864)

  61. Giuliani now receiving death threats.

    Dana (86e864)

  62. He prosecuted John Gotti. I doubt that Obamabots tweeting in their Uggs over their Nutella and grande double skim lattes will scare him very much.

    nk (dbc370)

  63. issuing death threats against administration critics is all just part of Obama’s campaign to counter violent extremism I think

    it’s a bold new approach

    happyfeet (831175)

  64. I keep thinking of these questions, like “when did an accusation of not loving one’s country become so much worse than an accusation racism?” I would love to see the right collectively stand up and demand an answer. Non-stop, ad nauseum, until someone on the left struggles to explain it.

    Dana (86e864)

  65. I would be shocked if the havad republicans stood up for Rudy.

    mg (31009b)

  66. Here is what I found on the scheduled guest lineups for tomorrow’s Sunday shows:

    (Jeh Johnson’s doing a full Ginsburg but looks like many of the smart ones on the R side are staying away.) It’ll be interesting to see how Govs. Pence, Kasich and Abbott handle themselves.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Guest lineups for the Sunday TV news shows:

    ABC’s “This Week” – Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson; Sens. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

    NBC’s “Meet the Press” – Johnson; Sherrilyn Ifill, president and director-counsel, NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund; Rep. Charles Dent, R-Pa.

    CBS’ “Face the Nation” – Johnson; Gov. Greg Abbott, R-Texas.

    CNN’s “State of the Union” – Johnson; Gov. John Kasich, R-Ohio.

    “Fox News Sunday” – Johnson; Gov. Mike Pence, R-Ind.

    © 2015 The Associated Press.

    elissa (bd28e5)

  67. pence has already commented

    Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, another possible 2016 candidate, said he didn’t think it helps to question the president’s patriotism or motives. Giuliani, Pence said, is “a great American” who is “understandably frustrated with a president who lectures us on the Crusades, but seems incapable of calling radical Islamic violence by name.”

    happyfeet (831175)

  68. Twitchy is in a dither over Rand Paul’s comments made during an interview. Stephen Hayes tweets:

    Rand Paul giving benefit of doubt on “motivations” to Pres Obama that he doesn’t give hawks in his own party.

    (can’t find RP’s quote)

    Also, Jeb Bush’s spokesperson commented:

    “Governor Bush doesn’t question President Obama’s motives. He does question President Obama’s disastrous policies.”

    Dana (86e864)

  69. Rand Paul gives more benefit of the doubt to food stamp than he gives to life-saving vaccinations

    what a strange strange man

    happyfeet (831175)

  70. Rand Paul chided Rudy Giuliani for comments the former New York City mayor made about Barack Obama’s love for his country. In a television interview with local Louisville station WAVE, Paul said, “it’s one thing to disagree on policy” but “it’s a mistake to question people’s motives.”

    happyfeet (831175)

  71. I’ve read a lot of true crime books and crime novels. And I know a couple of cops. The detectives ALWAYS look for motive to help them understand the perpetrator, Rand.

    elissa (bd28e5)

  72. Actually, on this claim I’m quite willing to cede to Mr. Milbank’s expertise.

    After all, if there’s anyone who truly, intimately understands what spineless, pants-wetting, butt-kissing, servile cowardice looks like…

    PCachu (e072b7)

  73. Rand should run with the bow down crowd.
    Paul/obama 2016

    mg (31009b)

  74. Paul Rand is a strange person; maybe he has a rivalry with Giuliani over who has the trophier trophy wife. In real terms, he is only a vote for the majority caucus. He cannot be relied on even as a wacko-bird.

    nk (dbc370)

  75. Thanks for the quote, happyfeet.

    Dana (86e864)

  76. love it –
    trophier trophy wife.

    mg (31009b)

  77. what a strange strange man

    Rand Paul is trying to build a different coalition than the post-Reagan social-conservative / economic-conservative / national-security thing. He wants the youth that are disappointed in Obama, so he has to play to their values, which are socially liberal or libertarian and isolationist to a large degree. So he cannot trash Obama so much as be disappointed in his statist ways. After all, Rand Paul does NOT love America’s government or many of the policies she has pursued in recent years.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  78. Sounds like Ron Paul is questioning Guliani’s motives.
    I hate when people question my motives.

    You know people who question other people’s motives alot? I mean all the time.
    Those people who write for Obama’s press corpse.

    RAnd should probably correct them.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  79. Forget it, it’s from Mar. 2008. Sorry, and April 1 is still 40 days away too.

    nk (dbc370)

  80. “Loving America” means different things to different people because America is so many things.

    For example, some Christians love America for being Christian, and some non-Christians love America for the freedom to be openly non-Christian.

    The faculty lounge is also part of America, just as much as the NRA is. Scott Walker’s home state is the birthplace of progressivism.

    If Team Blue doesn’t “love America” because they love the blue parts of it and not the red parts, then Team Red ALSO doesn’t “love America” because they love the red parts and not the blue parts.

    If wanting to change America is proof that one doesn’t love America, then conservatives and libertarians are just as guilty as progressives.(Libertarians more so, since we are such a vanishingly small fraction of the population.)

    The only way out of the equivalence is to declare that love of the “real America” is what counts–at which point only True Scotsmen can be said to love America.

    Gabriel Hanna (a1cb3f)

  81. Fairly certain that what Obama loves about America is that he is a big deal there and gets to golf for free. College basketball seems like another thing he loves about the USA… after that it seems to taper off quickly.

    steveg (794291)

  82. I like this answer from John Hideraker.

    Dan, that is a very stupid question. And not just stupid, but inappropriate. I have never met Barack Obama. How could I possibly comment on his religious views? It would be totally inappropriate for me to do so. Why would you ask me a question like that? If President Obama’s religion is of concern to you for some reason, I suggest you ask him about it. It is not of concern to me. Now, does someone else have a more relevant question?

    IS BARACK OBAMA NOW, OR HAS HE EVER BEEN, A CHRISTIAN?

    Tanny O'Haley (c674c7)

  83. 52. Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/21/2015 @ 2:45 pm

    Sessions would do.

    If you wnat to make fighting illegal immigration and harming illegal immigrants the main issue in the campaign.

    Sammy Finkelman (e806a6)

  84. Sessions is also against legal immigration. That’s why he’s against illegal immigration.

    Sammy Finkelman (e806a6)

  85. 47. Sticking power.

    RaPaul and the Rube should just man up and pass on all the fawning groupie love now.

    The exposure is just goin to expose the flaws.

    DNF (890b13)

  86. 14, 88. Overcoming may be too much to hope 4.

    DNF (890b13)

  87. obama doesn’t love America PLUS he’s never accepted jesus as his Lord and savior

    deal with it

    happyfeet (831175)

  88. But to have a civilized debate, it’s necessary for public officials to disown such beyond-the-pale rhetoric

    Where was this high dudgeon when the Left media was bashing Sarah Palin with all manner of inappropriate personal attacks?

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  89. 92. A memorable column.

    DNF (890b13)

  90. I don’t understand the premise of this whole kerfuffle. Why, exactly, is it wrong to question someone’s patriotism? Personally I don’t question 0bama’s patriotism, I outright deny it, but if someone wants to leave some room for doubt that’s OK with me.

    I also don’t understand how 0bama’s declarations of Christianity prove that he is one. Is this some point of Christian doctrine, that anyone who claims to be one is one by definition? And why did Walker send his spokesflack out afterwards to say that “of course” he knows 0bama is one? How does he know it? I rather doubt it myself.

    Milhouse (3c52de)

  91. IGB asked:

    Where was this high dudgeon when the Left media was bashing Sarah Palin with all manner of inappropriate personal attacks?

    But that was different!

    The progressive Dana (f6a568)


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