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2/15/2015

Creating Yet Another Pathway: Loophole In President’s Amnesty Plan Allows Illegal Aliens To Vote

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:43 am



[guest post by Dana]

Nothing from this administration surprises any longer:

President Obama’s temporary deportation amnesty will make it easier for illegal immigrants to improperly register and vote in elections, state elections officials testified to Congress on Thursday, saying that the driver’s licenses and Social Security numbers they will be granted create a major voting loophole.

While stressing that it remains illegal for noncitizens to vote, secretaries of state from Ohio and Kansas said they won’t have the tools to sniff out illegal immigrants who register anyway, ignoring stiff penalties to fill out the registration forms that are easily available at shopping malls, motor vehicle bureaus and in curbside registration drives.

Anyone registering to vote attests that he or she is a citizen, but Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted said mass registration drives often aren’t able to give due attention to that part, and so illegal immigrants will still get through.

This on top of IRS Commissioner John Koskinen informing Congress that under President Obama’s amnesty plan, illegal aliens who receive their social security cards will be able to claim back tax refunds – even if they never paid taxes:

“Under the new program, if you get a Social Security number and you work, you’ll be eligible to apply for the Earned Income Tax Credit,” Mr. Koskinen said.

He said that would apply even “if you did not file” taxes, as long as the illegal immigrant could demonstrate having worked off-the-books during those years.

That expands the universe of people eligible for the tax credit by millions. He said only about 700,000 illegal immigrants currently work and pay taxes using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, but as many as 4 million illegal immigrants could get a stay of deportation and work permits under the temporary amnesty, which would mean they would be eligible to claim back-refunds if they worked those years.

Mr. Koskinen also told the House oversight committee that the “White House never asked him or anyone else at the IRS about the potential tax effects of his amnesty policy.”

–Dana

32 Responses to “Creating Yet Another Pathway: Loophole In President’s Amnesty Plan Allows Illegal Aliens To Vote”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. More like goodbye. USA, that is…

    Gazzer (964803)

  3. Good morning. Punch back twice as hard, Republicans. This isn’t – as Nanski Pelosi would have it – “anti-immigrant”, this is common sense and it’s time to push back against the idiocy of the Obama administration.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  4. Illegal immigration is just taht… ILLEGAL. Why reward lawbreakers?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  5. that

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. There is a theory that great nations have a life span of around 200 years. The US in 2015 — 238 years old — under the impact and influence of people like Obama, is starting to prove that.

    Mark (c160ec)

  7. Is there anything legal blocking Congress from passing a law that would in effect
    the particulars of the Amnesty Plan ?

    seeRpea (aa8044)

  8. This is part of a long-term plan. Does the “Motor Voter Act” ring a bell?

    AZ_Langer (a65cb5)

  9. 6. Zerohedge has been running a series on the West’s running past its expiration date. The Fourth Turning.

    We be up against a harder break than the end of the Republic.

    DNF (088333)

  10. Loophole? It’s whole fcuking point of this exercise of power.

    It’s not a “Bug” it’s a “Feature”.

    jakee308 (f0aa61)

  11. 10. Word.

    DNF (088333)

  12. Soon America will be so changed that if you speak English people will turn and look at you in amazement. Change in its truest sense.

    The Emperor (281638)

  13. Teh Preezy made it plain
    he said, “Why don’t you ever pass this bill?”
    Big giveaway, for the course, it’s par
    They’ll shake the short change from their old fruit jar

    The peeps they’d had enough
    the till was tapped, the times were tough
    The issue was hot, but the Congress was not

    I’ve got a b*tch I’m gonna pitch it
    it don’t step up, we gotta ditch it
    buncha bums, no way to stop ’em
    Gotta stop ’em!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. 12. It is already at the point that you need to be bilingual to get many retail jobs in Los Angeles.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  15. “Law and order” is a racist dog whistle.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  16. Obama vows to “squeeze every last little bit change out of last 2 years”… TFG will have productive Americans shaking the change out of their old fruit jars to fund the most massive transfer of wealth the world has ever seen.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  17. Obama is increasing making it difficult for the GOP to get back into the white house. Flooding America with immigrants who will eventually vote Democrat out of loyalty. Well played.

    The Emperor (281638)

  18. most of us here may not like it, but most of the country does. his poll numbers
    are still quite good.
    I think we have already reached the tipping point.

    seeRpea (aa8044)

  19. Good morning. Punch back twice as hard, Republicans. This isn’t – as Nanski Pelosi would have it – “anti-immigrant”, this is common sense and it’s time to push back against the idiocy of the Obama administration.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/15/2015 @ 9:00 am

    The republicans are a punchless act.

    mg (31009b)

  20. We be up against a harder break than the end of the Republic.

    Soon America will be so changed that if you speak English people will turn and look at you in amazement.

    America’s future is now dependent on just how wedded to liberalism or leftism many of its people will be over the next several decades.

    The more permissive and corrupt (both philosophically and also in the traditional, money-fied sense of that word) a culture and government become, the more crucial are its remaining assets (or lack of such) of demographics (ie, the portion of a populace that is bright, talented and reliable—such as Silicon Valley) and natural resources (eg, the oil in the Middle East or the croplands of the American Midwest and California).

    Corson.org: “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a loss of fiscal responsibility, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world’s great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith,
    From spiritual faith to great courage,
    From courage to liberty,
    From liberty to abundance,
    From abundance to selfishness,
    From selfishness to complacency,
    From complacency to apathy,
    From apathy to dependency,

    From dependency back again to bondage.”

    theeconomiccollapseblog.com, February 2012:

    Do you want to know what the future of America is going to look like? Just check out what is happening to Detroit. The city of Detroit was once one of the greatest industrial cities in the history of the world, but today it is a rotting, decaying, post-apocalyptic hellhole.

    #1 People don’t want to live where the stench of failure and decay is constantly in the air. Back in the 1950s, Detroit was a teeming metropolis of approximately 2 million people. According to the 2010 census, only 713,000 people live in Detroit today. The U.S. Census Bureau says that Detroit lost a resident every 22 minutes during the first decade of this century.

    #2 When the economy falls apart, desperate people will do desperate things and many homeowners will fight back. Justifiable homicide in Detroit rose by a staggering 79 percent during 2011.

    #3 In major cities where people are scrambling just to survive, any confrontation can quickly escalate into a life or death affair. The rate of self-defense killings in Detroit is currently 2200% above the national average.

    #4 When there is not enough money to go around, a lot of local governments will choose to cut back on police protection. Ten years ago, there were approximately 5,000 police for the city of Detroit. Today, there are less than 3,000.

    #9 When criminals become desperate, they will steal literally anything that is not bolted down. In Detroit today, thieves have stripped so much copper wiring out of the street lights that half of all the lights in some neighborhoods no longer work.

    #11 One of the clearest signs of decline in America is the state of our education system. Only 25 percent of all students in Detroit end up graduating from high school. Many other major cities will soon have graduation rates similar to Detroit.

    #14 Sadly, child poverty is absolutely exploding all over the United States. Today, 53.6 percent of all children that live in Detroit are living below the poverty line.

    #15 The employment situation in America is a lot worse than the government is telling us. An analysis of census figures found that 48.5% of all men living in Detroit from age 20 to age 64 did not have a job in 2008.

    #16 When a major city becomes a hellhole, home prices fall like a rock. The median price of a home in Detroit is now just $6000.

    ^ Detroit is an extreme example of how bad things can become in this country, so less severe variations of it are more likely to be in the offing for cross-sections of the US over the next 50 or more years. However, the mindless, pro-Democrat-Party and reflexive liberalism in Detroit are quite pervasive in just about every chunk of America, and the fact that doesn’t change in places even when they grow as dysfunctional as a Detroit (or a Mexico, a Venezuela, etc) is the ultimate warning sign.

    Mark (c160ec)

  21. at this point, they’re the viable opposition, mg. They need to steel their spines and get serious before it’s too late.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. He said that would apply even “if you did not file” taxes,

    Even if you hadn’t files taxes contemproraneously, but filed 3 yeasr of back taxes.

    The method used to claim the Earned Income Tax credit is to file an income tax return. At ffirst they didn’t realize that, of course, back tax returns could be filed.

    I had read that illegal imigrants were not eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit, but this is apparently not true – what was true, was that any claim for the EITC had to include a
    Social Security number (it is sometimes considered to be a refund of Social Security taxes), although it exceeds that at low incomes). And if somebody acquired one after working, they could then file an emended income tax return, or even one for the first time.

    There is a problem anyway with the Earned Income Tax Credit, in that, in certain circumstances, it makes sense to claim income you never had, while the IRS is normally geared up to find
    undeclared income, not income you never had. It’s actually one of the biggest areas of income tax fraud.

    And you can pick a number that would get you the maximum refund. An average ordinary person wouldn’t really know how to do this, but someone who fills out a lot of income tax returns for other people would.

    If the tax was not withheld, there’d have to be a 15.3% “self-employment” tax (the employee had tp pay both the employer’s and employee’s share of income paid on that income, but, as I said, the EITC credit can exceed that. The amount of the EITC credit goes up as income increases, although the percentage drops, and then later it decreases as income goes up)

    Those people who filed income tax returns had an incentive to minimize it as much as possible, and they are stuck with whatever they said, and so are any people who applied for Medicaid, but illrgal immigrants were not eligible for any of these things and so are free now to guess. If they got paid on the books, with a made up number, they aren’t really.

    The illegal immigrants presumably did have income, if they were not supported by somebody else, but the dollar amount is anyone’s guess. It is very unlikely someone will fill out a frm saying they owe money, unless permanent residence is guaranteed, and even then it can’t be too much.
    Many will probably pass up the opportunity to file, if they haven’t already.

    A problem already was that, while people without a Social Security number were not eligible to claim the Earned Income Tax credit, they could get personal exemptopons for supporting children, not just resident in the United states but also n Canada and Mexico (no other countries) So you had these little networks of people where everybody filed an income tax return claiming to be supporting nephews and nieces in Mexico. Who’s going to check? This sort of thing started because it was true for some people.

    Sammy Finkelman (e806a6)

  23. Normally, non-citizens would not want to make trouble for themselves by registering to vote. I don’t know if the high attention paid to this could get that to happen more, but it is true that this highlights the deficiencies in some of the “tests”

    The only valid proof of citizenship is a birth certificate or naturalization papers, or apasspprt or passport card. But states don’t use that any more.

    Sammy Finkelman (e806a6)

  24. 4. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/15/2015 @ 9:01 am

    Why reward lawbreakers?

    Because you want to limit the number of immigrants.

    Sammy Finkelman (e806a6)

  25. They’ve already decided that there’s no hope to claw back our Republic and
    have surrendered wholesale to the idea.

    Their every action speaks of this. They’ve decided the fight isn’t worth
    the effort and are now trying to position themselves to retain some power.

    The war’s already over, just some of us haven’t laid down our arms yet.

    jakee308 (f0aa61)

  26. speaking of welfare losers

    the associated press is PISSED OFF that these four Americans don’t want to slurp up their welfares like the nice compliant lil welfare monkeys they’re supposed to be

    happyfeet (831175)

  27. Great song for a beautiful Sunday… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IfHDi-2EA&sns=em

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. ???
    Will somebody PLEASE tell me why our government (which is *SUPPOSED* to defend our borders, and to enforce our laws WITHIN those borders) is strewing benefits-upon-more-benefits, like rose-petals and showers of candy, in the paths of people who are here illegally?
    ???

    Yes I know; rhetorical question. “The current party-in-power blah-blah-blah”; and the US Chamber of Commerce supports the (ha-ha, snerk) “opposition” party in doing the same blooming thing (all in opposition to The Public Will, I might add).

    But … but … uh …

    What happened to “Rule of Law”? Isn’t there SOME legal venue in which WE THE PEOPLE have standing to force our gutless Beltway Turds to do their jobs? As I have said before, the “ballot box” thing every two/ four/ six years, is OBVIOUSLY not sufficient.

    Should we ever get to USA 2.0, we need to be sure there’s a paragraph in the New Constitution specifying that malfeasance, misfeasance, or dereliction of duty (this would include voting to pass bills without reading what’s in them) be a capital offense. These dudes who leech off us in the guise of “public service” need to be reminded that they have a GRAVE responsibility to the citizens who elected them. (Yes, the word “grave” was chosen after great deliberation.)

    A_Nonny_Mouse (67ae62)

  29. 25. A_Nonny_Mouse,

    According to their sworn oaths, that “GRAVE responsibility” is to our Constitution. Sadly, political power and personal treasure have supplanted honor.

    AZ_Langer (a65cb5)

  30. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If I’m permitted to file late, amended, tax returns, and pay penalties and interest or get more money back depending how the numbers crunch, then where’s the problem with Julio doing it? There is the criminal aspect of non-filing, but isn’t that a separate issue? The IRS criminal cases I’ve seen, the government asks only for jail time and criminal courts costs, and reserves the issue of fines, interest and penalties for a civil tax proceeding because they’re much bigger there.

    If there’s a problem, it’s with Earned Income Tax Credit. It’s got its good points and bad ones. It’s not as bad as Nixon’s idea of negative income tax in place of welfare, because it incentivizes people to actually do some work.

    nk (dbc370)

  31. Amend that. If there’s problem, it’s with the whole f***ing amnesty thing. De-fund USCIS.

    nk (dbc370)

  32. There are married people filing separately who both claim the EIC for the same kids, so they get twice as much of an already large subsidy. They may not realize it’s wrong since It seems to happen primarily with Hispanics who go to neighborhood tax-preparers with little or no training, but they speak Spanish. I expect the new immigrants will get the word, too. Sometimes the IRS catches up to them but not for years and years, if ever.

    DRJ (e80d46)


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