David Axelrod: Obama Deliberately Lied to Voters About Gay Marriage
I know, I know: your instant reaction is: of course he did, and so what? That sort of blasé reaction is just what Axelrod is banking on:
Barack Obama misled Americans for his own political benefit when he claimed in the 2008 election to oppose same sex marriage for religious reasons, his former political strategist David Axelrod writes in a new book, Believer: My Forty Years in Politics.
“I’m just not very good at bullshitting,” Obama told Axelrod, after an event where he stated his opposition to same-sex marriage, according to the book.
Practice makes perfect. And he’s had a lot of practice. Hey, he was just being practical:
Axelrod writes that he knew Obama was in favor of same-sex marriages during the first presidential campaign, even as Obama publicly said he only supported civil unions, not full marriages. Axelrod also admits to counseling Obama to conceal that position for political reasons. “Opposition to gay marriage was particularly strong in the black church, and as he ran for higher office, he grudgingly accepted the counsel of more pragmatic folks like me, and modified his position to support civil unions rather than marriage, which he would term a ‘sacred union,’ ” Axelrod writes.
Obama understood: if you don’t lie to people while running for office, you’ll never have the chance to lie to them while in office!
Let’s look at a representative quote of his from the time, and call out the lies as we see them:
“I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman,” [LIE] Obama said at the time. “Now, for me as a Christian [LIE] — for me — for me as a Christian [LIE], it is also a sacred union [LIE]. God’s in the mix. [LIE]”
As you might have guessed, I don’t believe him when he says he’s a Christian.*
Axelrod has made a calculated decision here. He believes that the public knows that most politicians lie; that they accept that; and that it therefore doesn’t really matter if they admit it . . . once it’s too late to do anything about it. He believes that it’s more important for Obama’s faithful to understand that Obama always had the “right” position on gay marriage, than it is to believe that he has always told the truth, which we all know nobody does.
And he’s probably right. That will be people’s reaction. Will this story dominate the headlines for days — as it should? I doubt it. Will people put the question directly to Obama and insist on an answer? Nah.
While I agree that most politicians lie, I refuse to participate in the trivialization of lying. Yes, Obama has a Gruberesque contempt for the public, and repeatedly lies to their face. I refuse to shrug my shoulders and say it’s no big deal. I refer you to the words of Aaron Altman, the Albert Brooks character from Broadcast News, who said the following of the Brian Williamsesque anchor played by William Hurt:
He will be attractive! He’ll be nice and helpful. He’ll get a job where he influences a great God-fearing nation. He’ll never do an evil thing! He’ll never deliberately hurt a living thing… he will just bit by little bit lower our standards where they are important. Just a tiny little bit. Just coax along flash over substance. Just a tiny little bit. And he’ll talk about all of us really being salesmen. And he’ll get all the great women.
The speech obviously doesn’t apply to Obama in every respect — I think you can guess a few places where I would say the analogy doesn’t hold, and I’ll leave it at that — but the general thrust of the speech is that standards matter. Deliberately lying to the public matters. David Axelrod doesn’t think it does. But it does.
*”As you might have guessed, I don’t believe him when he says he’s a Christian.”
Not that there’s necessarily anything wrong with that; I’m a sort of agnostic: I believe in a “God” but am not convinced by any of the traditional religions — which is not to say I positively believe they are wrong; I don’t think I can know that. I was raised Episcopalian and still pray at times, because you never know; it might do some good. I’m not so haughty as to think I know that it doesn’t. What I don’t do is go around calling myself a Christian when I’m really not. It’s one of the many reasons I am not a politician.
What’s my evidence that Obama’s not a Christian? Well, he almost never invokes God. He says he’s a Christian, which plays well with the public — and we just learned in the post that he will lie to the public, which he disdains in an arrogant, Gruberesque fashion. Basically, I just don’t buy it. Remember, he’s not that good at bullshitting. And he has failed to bullshit me on this issue.
Patterico (9c670f) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:41 amNice post, Patterico. Two of the problems with our current degenerating society is our willingness to accept nonsense and then build upon it incrementally…along with a very faux-sophisticated “everyone does it” kind of dismissal.
Because those things are not true.
First, it has long been my experience that lying builds on itself. It starts little, and develops into awful things. I have seen it with fine students. Each step they make along that path becomes easier and more downhill. The result is never pretty. If a person will lie about a small thing, why should we believe them about large things?
Think about how WJC debased our ideas about a number of things…because the Clerisy wanted to support him (“…I did not have sex..” and “…that depends on the meaning of ‘is’…” come to mind).. This is why I am unsurprised by the Left’s cheerleader feelings for BHO.
Second, the offensive “everyone does it” moral/ethical equivalence idea is simply a smoke screen. It’s not a genuine point of view; it’s a way to wear a smoking jacket and appear cool. Everyone has issues about which they are a Roman judge. Everyone. But folks pick and choose, usually to suit their narrative.
Finally, this kind of Axelrodian logic is demonstrably untrue. For example, I well remember when people were all over GWB to apologize for campaign statements he didn’t achieve. Strangely, that’s not so true for Team D. Why? Because of the angel/devil narrative at play.
I have long said it, and I will say it again: what makes Axelrod happy is bad for our nation.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:54 amThis president occasionally stumbles over The Truth, but he picks himself up, dusts himself off and carries on as before.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:02 amWrite Obama’s words in sand and running water. (my apologies to the poet).
I also recall Peter O’Toole instructing Pu Yi in The Last Emperor that words were important because if you couldn’t say what you mean, you could never mean what you say.
ropelight (c43312) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:18 amManchurian Candidate , and we will paying the bill for a long , long time.
Not just monetarily with the budget mess and Secret Service costs but also ethically.
It is one thing to lie in politics, it is quite another to be a shmuck and he is a shmuck.
seeRpea (8193fc) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:32 amBut he has no worries. Woodrow Wilson is venerated and he will be also.
Axelrod is a red diaper baby. Mommy and daddy were both hard-core Stalinists. He was raised on cynicism, hypocrisy, and doublethink, and he trained his padewan well.
nk (dbc370) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:36 amLet’s be honest, here. There was no one– either Democrat or Republican, or people pro or against gay marriage –who ever really believed Barack Obama was satisfied with civil unions or that he suddenly “evolved”. So this is a complete non-story in that regard. I do think, though, that Axelrod actually admitting to this lie, the full intent of which was to deceive, is similar to the now known Obamacare lies also structured to deceive. It’s what Democrats do in their supreme comfort that “the end justifies the means”. But it doesn’t look good to highlight it on President Obama’s already badly tarnished historical record for honesty and forthrightness.
elissa (21b178) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:39 amElissa, that was also true of Clinton. And the Clerisy was just fine with it.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:40 am#Unexpectedly!
redc1c4 (b340a6) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:42 amthe Rand Paul, the Dr. Ben Carson, and the Marco Sleazio are nevertheless very grateful for how far food stamp’s lowered the bar for this presidency thing
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:48 amAs for Obama’s religion, the Devil has a sense of irony when meting out torments. Obama might not like having admitted jurisdiction.
nk (dbc370) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:51 amCombine Marxist parents and Alinsky tutors, and this is what we get.
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:51 amI would suggest that all of this gives the man waaaay too much credit for things beyond personal aggrandizement. I don’t think there is much strategy other than feelings. But then, he soaked in this kind of nonsense all of his life.
By the way, I love the conceit of a Marxist family with bankers. Just saying.
I used to laugh at “Marxists in 300 dollar shoes” on campus. Still do.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:53 amElissa, I can’t help my grating style. Are you saying @7 that it was a noble lie?
Steve57 (36c0a6) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:56 amIt would be unfair to conclude that’s what you meant. It’s only one reading.
Steve57 (36c0a6) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:02 amI don’t think lies are noble. Unless it is a little white lie such as “no, in this light your dark roots aren’t showing very much.”
elissa (5e6d0a) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:05 amI bet there is a substantial (though not huge) part of the black church community that would be upset if they were presented this information directly, just as they would have been had they known of Obama’s “make sure that unwanted baby born by accident is killed” bill in Illinois, as I saw people roll back on their heals stunned when I told them.
But while not many of those folk will read Axelrod’s book, they may listen when they hear it come up in a speech by Ben Carson. There will be some folk who will not like finding out they’ve been lied to all along. It might not be enough to make a huge difference, but a start is a start.
I think there is a sense that “all politicians lie (at least a little bit)”, but when it becomes “the politician I voted for lied about something important to me”, then it might be a little different, even for some who voted for Obama.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:21 amWho knew that when Obama said he would have more flexibility after his last election, he meant he would finally be free to tell the truth?
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:30 amCONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT;
Gazzer (e441dc) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:42 amThere is a part of me that wonders if this isn’t all part of the plan. After leaving office, what better way would there be to plunge the nation deeper into division than by undermining the entire 8 years? A constitutional crisis, and TFG isn’t even in office. They’ll admit the SSN was bogus, etc, etc.
How much more Cloward Piven could you get?
TIN HAT OFF.
Axelrod is a Goebbels. It’s safe to assume his “truth” hides a bigger lie.
nk (dbc370) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:50 am@16, i didn’t think you did. I only lie about how gooodmy babe looks in that dress.and it’s noot really a lie.
Steve57 (36c0a6) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:55 amthe Rand Paul, the Dr. Ben Carson, and the Marco Sleazio are nevertheless very grateful for how far food stamp’s lowered the bar for this presidency thing
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:48 am
You shut yer who’re mouth now, feets!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:55 amOur form of government was probably meant for another age, when sacred honor meant something. It’s an interesting question which of the many countries of this world still adhere to that value. It’s a valuable value.
Andrew (77ec06) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:07 amWhy is this a surprise? It was wink, wink, nod, nod all along. I knew he was lying. Gays I talked to knew he was lying. Anyone who actually thought he would stand up against a Democrat policy wish was a fool. It was right up there with balancing the budget and fighting terrorism. Rubes.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:08 ami have to sing my truth Mr. Colonel
now more than ever
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:11 amre #20, nk good point. why i’m waiting for the book to come out and others to read it and report on the books contents.
seeRpea (8193fc) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:14 amWhat Axelrod might not realize is that he tars himself when he goes along with this.
But then, politician, so ….
htom (4ca1fa) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:15 amThe man who dusts off the Cliff notes version of history to badmouth Jews and Christians but won’t make the first criticism of Islam isn’t a Christian, you say?
CrustyB (69f730) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:17 amI don’t want to participate in a debate about whether Obama is or isn’t a Christian. I’ve no shortage of other obvious and much subjective lies in Obama’s history, with more added daily, to draw broad and confident conclusions about his basic, fundamental dishonesty across the board, about anything and everything else that’s important besides religion. Surely that’s enough; if he’s also deliberately lying about his faith, that could hardly make him any bigger liar than I already know him to be.
We can each of us draw our own conclusions about whether Obama is or isn’t a Christian, or a good Christian, or any kind of religious person at all, but ultimately — and I choose that qualifier very deliberately — no one but Obama and God are positioned to draw well-informed conclusions about that.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:30 amDammit, meant to write: “I’ve no shortage of other obvious and much less subjective lies in Obama’s history, with more added daily ….”
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:33 amhe comes from Jeremiah’s creed of collective salvation and liberation theology, one can’t be any clearer than that, moral concerns are only those that mesh with redistribution of wealth,
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:34 amthe short list would be everything Obola hasn’t lied about…
redc1c4 (6d1848) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:40 amThe thing about Obama is all his supporters voted for him thinking he was lying to the other guy.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:58 amWe see the same phenomenon here that we saw with Brian Williams and Bill Clinton — people in high positions who lie are excused because they tell little lies, or understandable lies, or political BS. That’s absurd and reveals how the persons who make those excuses have lost their moral bearings.
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:07 amNot to mention the ultimate moral failures — the liars themselves.
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:08 amDRJ, I think they get away with it because everybody thinks their lies are effective. And the people who support them think some other fool needs to be lied to.
Their supporters are the smart ones who imagine they’ll benefit. You know. The ones who found out later that their Obamacare premiums were going up. Not those other guys they thought he was talking about.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:17 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5_pEO8a8U&sns=em
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:23 amI second an appreciation for nk’s comment.
Yes, while we think he is “coming clean” a little bit and are curious why he would say anything that puts Obama and himself in a bad light, in reality it is a small gambit, a feint, a slight of hand, a distraction,
while worse evil is being planned, plotted, and perpetrated
Concerning his faith…
Jesus is known for telling the Truth, even when it brought Him harm.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:29 amJesus said those who are habitually lying are of the father of lies, aka Lucifer, aka Alinsky’s patron spirit.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the evidence is before you.
http://quran.com/4/157
You can either serve the God of truth. Or, this one. Or none at all. It’s a free country.
Allah would have you believe it’s all a lie. Read the above carefully. Think about all it means.
The enormity of it.
Allah tricked one billion people into believing something. And now he’s out to kill them.
And how can you convert, knowing Allah is a liar?
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:08 pmsneaky picklehead
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:15 pmAllah wasn’t all that sneaky, Mr. feets. He was about what you’d expect of a 7th century illiterate caravan trader. He got a lot wrong. But he wrote a good gang code. I’ll give him that.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:21 pmso they indulged in the Priory de Sion idiocy, Dan Brown territory,
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:27 pmWhile there’s no doubt Obama is an Alinskyite liar, bred and reared in a Marxist household, and inculcated with leftist ideas, I blame our MSM more than Obama. They never vetted him. Note the printed letter from 1996 in the Daily Mail article when Obama was running for State Senator. It clearly states “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.”
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:27 pmAt that time, Obama had obvious ties to the New Party, which he joined in January of 1996. Again, the MSM never did its job for the same reason that Obama lied about his true position on gay marriage – to get Obama elected. Remind me again why we have a First Amendment.
i thought that was mohammed (sp?)
Allah is more like the guy what plays God in the Bible
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:28 pmYou need to see the movie, Mr. feets.
They only hired one actor.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:30 pmWe have a First Amendment so people can express their opinions, starting with Tom Paine and going all the way to internet blogs. Journalists and organized media that try to avoid bias are a plus.
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:31 pmDRJ, with all earned respect, we have a first amendment so an idea won’t get lost. It could be an idea we need.
I’m not saying for an instance that you need to hear it. But somebody does. There doesn’t seem to be a leader throughout the west who can mount the feeblest defense for freedom of speech.
Now I spend my time wondering why I wasted 20 years. It seems I took it for granted that everyone else knew what I was defending.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:43 pmNo, I’m not all that. No, I’m not the first guy to serve in the military. No, I’m not the only guy who comments here who did.
I am nothing special. But I’d really like something like the country that was here when I shipped out.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:46 pmDRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:31 pm
Journalists that that claim to be unbiased, yet willfully fail to do their jobs and cover up for a presidential candidate are an anathema to the First Amendment
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:55 pmNobody is anathema to the first amendment. Or freedom of speech in general.
Except leaders who can’t think of a reason to defend it.
Journalists? They’ll come and go.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:59 pmWhen a dean of journalism school argues that Charlie Hebdo has gone too far and its depiction of Mohammed is not protected speech [http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/19/charlie-hebdo-cross-line-free-speech-covers-islam-limits-wickham/21960957/], I would argue he is anathema to the First Amendment.
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 2/10/2015 @ 1:31 pmWhen a President and Secretary of State use taxpayer money to make an ad and go on Pakistani TV to condemn a video made in the US, I would argue that is anthema to the First Amendment.
When no one in the MSM properly vets a presidential candidate, perhaps you’re right, it’s not anthema to the First Amendment. It’s just a horrible waste of a perfectly good First Amendment.
I stand corrected.
But in my own defense, I never voted for a dean of journalism school. I never had the chance.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 1:46 pmI freely admit that the last one I’d trust my freedom of speech to is an inhabitant of a journalism school.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 1:48 pmI would trust a Soldier.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 1:49 pmSteve57 –
mg (31009b) — 2/10/2015 @ 1:59 pmBut I’d really like something like the country that was here when I shipped out.
I don’t know when that was, but going back in time would be a gift. Thanks so much for your service, and your comments.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 1:49 pm
Walter Cronanty (f48cd5) — 2/10/2015 @ 2:00 pmI would trust a Soldier.
The Chetco river bar is a tough stretch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QgLuIqmSqs
How is it we don’t end up with preezys half as good as those Coasties?
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 2:04 pmmg, maybe it seems like a long way back. But a country that believes in itself, it’s own right to exist. That’s all it would be.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 2:07 pmmg, I was commissioned in July of 1988.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 2:16 pmWait’ll someone discloses that Obama’s really a practicing Muslim and that
all that supposed Christian worship was just a false front to fool
his fellow blacks (who are predominantly Christian) into thinking
he was one of them and not an anti-American Pro-Islam 5th columnist
bent on the destruction of the American system of Finance, Justice and
our relationships with out allies.
All to weaken the US for when Iran emerges as a nuclear power. Helped along
by Valerie Jarrett and Obama has her puppet.
Fasten your seat belts it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
jakee308 (f0aa61) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:24 pmI think Obama is religious. He just considers himself to be God.
OmegaPaladin (a0e77e) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:36 pm@61, it’s why Obama’s Bible characterizes some verses more obscure than others.
They conflict with his divinity.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:46 pmjakee308, Obama is not Muslim. The Scandinavian socialists who gave him a down payment on the destruction of America were not Mohammadens.
He’s an Alynskyite. Just like he looks.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:51 pmAs jakee308 says, it’s going be a bumpy ride. So, one more video from the professionals, who ride out rough weather.
http://wn.com/rough_sea_for_coast_guard_training
Me? I wouldn’t take on the northern Pacific with anything less than five thousand of my closest friends. I sailed in aircraft carriers for a reason. One of them being a nuclear reactor means plenty of hot water. There are others.
Small boat. Big ocean.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:06 pmBrrr!
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:06 pmAre you KIDDING?
The Peoples’ reaction be damned. THE MEDIA won’t cover it for days.
The only way they’d cover it for even a DAY would be if it was an open admission of a Republican lying about abortion support or support FOR gay marriage. Even THEN it would only get ended by a terrorist attack somewhere, or a plane going down.
IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:41 pmSteve57:
I don’t think we’re at odds on this and I agree in part with what you say, although ideas are lost all the time. IMO the point of the First Amendment is that it enables people to feel free to express their ideas.
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:07 pmIt doesn’t seem to matter anymore which side you come down on the issue of gay marriage. It should. It should also still matter that you don’t lie to get it.
Ah well. So much for Western Civilization. It was nice while it lasted.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:09 pmWalter:
Yes, a vigilant and fair media is a good, desirable thing. However, we’ve fallen short in that regard many times during the history of America, and we will again. The beauty of the First Amendment is that we don’t have to rely on the media alone.
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:09 pmUnless, of course, net neutrality changes that. I assume that’s Obama’s point.
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:10 pmWhat I meant was that we should want people to feel free to express their opinions. Because eventually someone might express an opinion that makes us all the better for having heard it.
Not always. That’s the price you pay for living in a free society.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:11 pmThe part of Axelrod’s admission that strikes me is that Obama clearly wanted his “real” position on SSM to become publicly known, or Axelrod would never have dared to write it. Obama and his cronies want the left to know they weren’t that gullible and were only taking their campaign positions to fool the bitter, clinger American rubes. They are pathetic and insecure, aren’t they?
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:12 pmLike I said, I don’t think you need to hear it.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:13 pmEverybody has freedom of speech. But as they say in Russia, what is important is freedom after speech. (What FSB also say, “They say what they want and we do what we want”.)
If you haven’t stopped reading yet, freedom of speech without other guarantees of freedom (period), is belling the cat. It only identifies enemies of the state.
nk (dbc370) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:14 pmYes, DRJ, that’s one of the amazing things. Axelrod wants everyone to know Obama was lying all along.
This is what he meant by finally being free to be himself. God help us if he lives up to his promise to Putin.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:15 pmThere are no guarantees of freedom, nk.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:18 pmRelative freedom.
nk (dbc370) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:26 pmMussolini ended exposed to birds of the air on a meathook.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-10/how-russia-plans-retaliate-saudi-driven-collapse-oil
Read again:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+38
You live in interesting times.
DNF (259036) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:23 pmit seems a stretch, but you recall the tug of war, between the Kingdom and Qaddafi,
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:28 pm78. Mark, in particular:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+39%3A25-29&version=KJV
Beginning in 1880 Israel was gathered out of the nations for this hour.
DNF (259036) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:36 pmSteve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:51 pm
If Obama has said the Shahada (and it’s very likely he did so while at a Muslim
school as a young boy in Indonesia) then he is considered a Muslim.
No take backs. Any Muslim who recants is automatically apostate and under threat
of death.
Muslims abroad consider Obama a Muslim. A bad one perhaps but one nevertheless.
You’re claims are as immaterial to the truth as Obama’s claims that ISIS is not Islamic
jakee308 (f0aa61) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:21 pmeither. Both for equally wrong reasons and both declared with disregard for the facts.
jakee308, I understand what you’re saying. I’m not making any claims about Obama. I am confident he doesn’t know how to be a Muslim.
Really you don’t need to speculate about Obama saying the profession of faith. His father was without a doubt a Muslim. And if you’re born to a Muslim father then you too are a Muslim. Which is how Meriam Yahya Ibrahim wound up sentenced to death in Sudan. She never even knew the man.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:31 pmBarack Obama misled Americans for his own political benefit
You left out the fact he’s bisexual and reportedly spent quite a bit of time at gay bathhouses in Chicago. Moreover, he’s the type who’ll show no shame in spending a holiday weekend in Florida with his “body man” (ie, Reggie Love) instead of with the wife and two young daughters. Such individuals are intrinsically wired to sympathize with homosexuals and anything that furthers their agenda.
Oh, plus the fact he’s a flaming liberal.
Mark (c160ec) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:32 pmOk, I guess I am making a claim about Obama. He doesn’t know how to be a Muslim.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:32 pmI blame our MSM more than Obama. They never vetted him.
Ultimately, most of the blame has to fall on the shoulders of the “American people.” Or a phrase that is overly generalized and bland, yet favored by various presidents of the past, and which, in this instance, needs to be qualified with “American people who lean left—stupidly, foolishly left.”
Mark (c160ec) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:43 pmSteve, it seems you’re going to a lot of trouble to keep from admitting that
Obama’s a Muslim. Why is that? You don’t have to answer me but you should
think about why you can’t say that Obama IS a Muslim.
Frankly with his lies and actions he’s proven where his loyalties lie. whether
he’s a well versed in the religion Muslim doesn’t really matter as I believe he
accepts the majority of it’s tenets as do the thousands who are fighting and killing
Christians and Muslims in the ME. And those who riot and protest over perceived
slights to their God.
Face it we elected a person who was thought to be one thing and he turned out to
jakee308 (f0aa61) — 2/11/2015 @ 1:53 ambe something entirely different and inimical to America. Now we have to wait out
the next 2 years hoping he doesn’t manage to do any permanent damage. (although
that ship might have already sailed.)
A renegade muslim, “man of lawlessness”, fit only for destruction.
DNF (259036) — 2/11/2015 @ 4:44 amobama is the black devil.
mg (31009b) — 2/11/2015 @ 4:52 amhe’s a liar and pathetic and alone in life and mean
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/11/2015 @ 6:23 amin the interests of brevity & accuracy, this post could have been titled:
just sayin’… 😎
redc1c4 (2b3c9e) — 2/11/2015 @ 6:51 amNow Obama claims he didn’t lie but separated his personal beliefs from his public position. Also, the media is conveniently describing Axelrod as an Obama aide. That’s a big downgrade from Axelrod’s title on election day 2008:
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/11/2015 @ 7:00 amDRJ, Axelrod will be airbrushed out of the history books, sort of like the unpeople in the Soviet Union. He is an “inconvenient truth.”
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 2/11/2015 @ 7:25 amObama’s defense works for what Axelrod wrote, but doesn’t work for various statements he made in 2004 and 2008.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 2/24/2015 @ 8:59 am