President Obama: It’s All So Random
[guest post by Dana]
President Obama was interviewed by Vox editor Matt Yglesias:
Yglesias asked Obama if he thinks the media “sometimes overstates the level of alarm people should have about terrorism” as opposed to longer-term problems like climate change and epidemic disease.
“Absolutely,” the president responded, saying he doesn’t blame the press for embracing the old adage, “If it bleeds, it leads.” Obama acknowledged that it’s lot harder to make climate change or cutting infant mortality a “sexy story.”
But, at the same time, Obama said, “It is entirely legitimate for the American people to be deeply concerned when you’ve got a bunch of violent, vicious zealots who behead people or randomly shoot a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris. We devote enormous resources to that, and it is right and appropriate for us to be vigilant and aggressive in trying to deal with that — the same way a big city mayor’s got to cut the crime rate down if he wants that city to thrive.”
Charles Krauthammer points out the obvious:
“We complain he doesn’t have a strategy in the war on radical Islam — the reason he doesn’t have a strategy is because he thinks there is no need for a strategy because it is random violence,” Krauthammer said. “He thinks, and he says it openly, this is like the fighting of crime in the city. There is no unifying ideology of the criminals of a city. You go after one after another.”
If you don’t believe Islamic radicalism exists, why would you need a plan to combat it? So quit overreacting, people. The media is just manipulating you with a sexy story. Instead of being concerned about the random march of the barbarians, random beheadings, random slaughter, random crucifixions of children, random killing of people in the name of a cartoon and the random killing of Jews, all the while wondering if you, too, might randomly find yourself the target of random acts of violence, start focusing on what really matters – the weather.
And rest easy. I have it on good authority that we are on the road to defeating ISIS and they are on the run.
–Dana
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: The shooters mostly spared women and specifically sought out cartoonists and editors. This was a random shooting about as much as it was a bombing.
Hello.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/9/2015 @ 7:51 pmAmerican people want “moral and intellectual courage and clarity” in a leader, not confusion and certainly not what seems to be a malevolent disregard of the facts. This will not end well.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/9/2015 @ 8:07 pmThey don’t want a leader who would trade five top Taliban prisoners for a deserter.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/9/2015 @ 8:14 pmdang. i was so hoping that interview was a fake or parody.
seeRpea (8193fc) — 2/9/2015 @ 8:15 pmAn Unserious Interview of an Unserious Man. Obama has the gravitas of a carnival barker.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/9/2015 @ 8:16 pmCome on it’s vox, you expected anything else
narciso (125429) — 2/9/2015 @ 8:18 pmCome on, it’s the president and I do expect more.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/9/2015 @ 8:26 pmTFG thinks that Vox are “nerd braniacs.” He has no idea, but I repeat myself, That Voxsplaining has evolved into a term of derision. How would he know unless it was in the papers or VaJa told him.
Gazzer (e441dc) — 2/9/2015 @ 8:35 pmSomeone needs to get off a high horse.
AZ Bob (34bb80) — 2/9/2015 @ 8:51 pmthe moral decay
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/9/2015 @ 9:38 pmnation cries for leadership
gets roosting chickens
I have to disagree, Colonel. I’d say “trainee court jester”, but that would be insulting both to court jesters and to trainees of all sorts.
htom (4ca1fa) — 2/9/2015 @ 9:48 pmHe’s what’s left when you take away the axle, rim, and spokes from a wheel.
htom (4ca1fa) — 2/9/2015 @ 9:50 pmVox said what? nm.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 2/9/2015 @ 9:50 pmeven jay vee team
elissa (469386) — 2/9/2015 @ 10:09 pmbetter than what we have here
Obama White House
Strategic patience is the appropriate way to combat random acts of randomness in the world.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/9/2015 @ 10:45 pm@3. Such a person, coronello, is no leeader.
Steve57 (36c0a6) — 2/9/2015 @ 10:49 pmCan you believe it? I misspelled leader.
Steve57 (36c0a6) — 2/9/2015 @ 10:51 pmthe First Pickle suffers from a least infection.
redc1c4 (dab236) — 2/9/2015 @ 11:33 pmThat’s good.
Steve57 (36c0a6) — 2/10/2015 @ 2:36 amGet used to it, the upside was 25 years ago.
mg (31009b) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:31 amWith no party to stand up for the middle class, get ready for battle, warriors.
i guess the takeaway here is we’re just now learning that this obama person does not bleed
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:58 amThe big problem with “random: is that the deli wasn’t selected randomly. it was selected because it was a kosher z deli and grocery.
So he doesn’t want to say he’s for protecting Jews? Because it might backfire? Is that it?
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:00 amIf that’s the case, that indicates that he thinks the problem with radical Islam is much worse than he’s willing to indicate.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:01 amPrezzy I Got This wants us all to chill:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/french-artists-calls-for-peace-end-in-brutal-beating-by-local-muslims
Evil too cool for school.
DNF (a505c5) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:05 am#22: #Unexpectedly!
redc1c4 (6d1848) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:34 am
nk (dbc370) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:36 amTaggersahem, “street artists” need to be beaten, sometimes brutally.yeah i do not respect their art
national soros radio periodically tries to tell me i should
but I don’t
That’s just who i am.
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:56 amUPDATE BY PATTERICO: The shooters mostly spared women and specifically sought out cartoonists and editors. This was a random shooting about as much as it was a bombing.
Patterico (9c670f) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:03 amstrategic patience
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:18 amPrez golfing and chillaxing
they’re killing people
I’m sorry, but Obama has a very clear strategy. It belongs to them. We’re the problem. We’re standing in the way of their legitimate pursuit of their dreams. They’ll stop attacking US as soon as we get out of their way and recognize it’s theirs. In the meantime bombs away on a few disposable folks who don’t accept brilliance of Obama’s strategy and keep embarrassing him by attacking US.
crazy (cde091) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:37 amThe police, though, acted stupidly. At least the cops have a unifying strategy Prom Queen can discern..
Steve57 (36c0a6) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:40 amSeriously. This ba$tard wants us to think he can see what’s in the hearts of other men?
Steve57 (36c0a6) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:49 amObola even gets criminal violence wrong. It’s not that “random”. A new study, Tragic, but not Random, by Yale University researchers looked for social networking links between crime victims and perpetrators. The method of the study has recently been used by the Chicago police to create lists using similar networks. The police compiled a list of all the people who had been killed between 2010 and 2012. They created as second list of people who had been arrested in company with the victims in the first list. And then they created a third list of those who had been arrested in company with members of the second list. Note that all of the people in these lists had been arrested. Amazingly, the total number of people was about 100,000.
The police used other (unnamed) criteria to distill this list of 100,000 down to a group of 504 individuals. Since March, 2013, 40 had been shot. Three of those shot were killed and one more was killed by a method other than gunshot. Note that these totals do not include the murder victims from the first list. These victims are all from the second and third lists.
This is similar to what the Yale researchers found. In selected communities of Chicago with a total population of about 80,000 people, between 2005 and 2010 they identified 1600 who were linked by social networks similar to the Chicago police lists. Out of that group they found that 48 had been killed, or 30 out of 1000. These 48 killings amounted to 70% of the total killed, so there were about 21 additional murders for the remaining 78,400 people.
To put these numbers in perspective, whites in Chicago experience about 1 death per 100,000, hispanics about 28 deaths per 100,000 and blacks 113 deaths per 100,000. Within the selected groups, the rates are much higher. The police list corresponds to about 400 deaths per 100,000 and about 4000 injured. The Yale list works out to 3000 violent deaths per 100,000.
So Obola’s attempt to escape responsibility for terrorism by declaring it to be random violence isn’t supported by recent research. The violence is anything but random. It is what replaces the Rule of Law in black markets. Of course there was nothing random about the French terrorism either.
The Feckless Won had best keep his eyes straight ahead. Reality is gaining on him, and if he falters, if he looks back, or if the track is muddy, he’ll be trampled.
bobathome (f208b6) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:41 amErrata:
The police list corresponds to about 790 deaths per 100,000 and about 7930 injured.
Not the 400 and 4000 in my original post.
bobathome (f208b6) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:08 amHappenstance, coincidence, sabotage.
Ain’t no randoms here, Boss.
htom (4ca1fa) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:17 amMajor Nidal Malik Hassan gave a briefing on the subject. Michael Adabelajo cited chapter and verse after he killed drummer Rigby. I understood them.
You want to know what my secret is? I can read books.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:10 amRandom, in a closed-loop sorta way:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/09/german-court-rules-synagogue-firebombing-an-act-of-protest.html
This time we’ve chosen the losing side.
DNF (259036) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:23 amThe Nazis couldn’t make Dutch doctors perform euthanasia. They resisted. And the guy who tried to make them perform euthanasia was hung as a war criminal.
Now, try to stop a Dutch doctor from offing a patient. And the reasons are the same. Actually, worse. I don’t think the Nazis killed people for depression.
From war crime to human right in what? Two generations.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:35 amThe Lord of Lies isn’t confused, isn’t an incompetent ideologue, events are progressing much to his liking and with each passing day wherein his quarry slumbers he likes the odds of his eventual triumph all the more.
We are his lambs led to slaughter.
DNF (259036) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:38 amNormally I don’t go for the “Of course I’m not talking about everybody” BS.
But in this case I’ll indulge. Of course I’m not talking about all Dutch doctors. Not all of whom, clearly, are bent on killing.
Some, many perhaps, Dutch doctors don’t think they are the authorities to pass judgement on whether or not their patients are living lives somebody should want to live.
And sometimes they’re shocked to find out, when they try to get them a bed in a hospital, that the hospital doesn’t feel the same way. Why waste valuable resources on an 80 year old?
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:41 amAn interesting aside, and maybe relevant to the discussion. The Quran says Allah is the best of deceivers. Most English translations of the Quran don’t spell that out. But when the Quran gets to the part about the Jews plotting to kill Jesus (complete BS, as if Jews would brag about killing a prophet that was prophesied about by prophets of Yahweh) the Quran uses the same word to descrive what activity Allah engaged in in response.
Most English translations of the Quran say something bland, like Allah is the best of planners. Ain’t so. He is the best of deceivers. The best of liars.
The Ahadith say that only an unbeliever is unafraid of Allah’s lies. One of Muhammad’s companions, I don’t recall which at present, said if he had one foot in paradise he’d be afraid that Allah would send him to hell before he had the chance to set the other foot down.
Who is the Lord of Lies?
Know your enemy.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:56 amhttp://www.nationalreview.com/corner/398258/obamas-fool-randomness-jonah-goldberg
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/10/2015 @ 12:34 pm39. Mephistopheles and after a fashion his annointed.
“Job” is accounted by many the most ancient OT account at its point of compilation. Satan had no power of his own but was given sway over the Almighty’s beloved for a time.
DNF (259036) — 2/10/2015 @ 2:49 pmhttp://quran.com/7/99
http://quran.com/3/54
The Arabic may be beyond most. But Allah “plans” like the disbelievers. That has to tell you something, right there.
Taqqiya is a figment of no one’s imagination.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:08 pm28. I would agree that SmegmaBreath’s knock on the Crusades is precisely that Palestine did not ‘belong’ to Xians.
That does not quite explain why Tejas belongs to them muzzies too. Reparations perhaps?
No, an overarching, organizing principle remains necessary to explain an unerring grasp for the most vile outcome at every turn.
A nihilist who’s hedging his bet.
DNF (259036) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:11 pm41. You have the dead scent.
DNF (259036) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:16 pmYes, DNF, there were a couple of Popes a few years back who didn’t grasp the concept of Christ’s kingdom not being of this world.
I don’t see how that trashes the whole religion, though.
The problem with Islam, as I see it, is that ISIS does get it. Unlike those long ago Popes is they’re not getting it wrong.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:26 pmI’m not familiar with the idiom. Do you mean I can smell carrion?
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 3:30 pm45. I’m hazy on the idiom too, that the K-9 agent picks up from an empty trunk or a shattered building.
A little help here?
DNF (259036) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:08 pmYeah, I thought you meant the dogs who search for cadavers.
Thing is, with those dogs, you really have to keep encouraging them. They get depressed, unlike other search dogs, because they never find a live one.
You might not think it makes a difference to a dog.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:18 pmThere is no hope for a cadaver dog.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:21 pm47. I pretty sure we’ll be getting live ones in 2 years time.
DNF (259036) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:23 pmall those billions for the pentagon piggies and the NSA poofterboys
and not ONE pattern recognition analyst?
I just don’t know what to think
happyfeet (831175) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:31 pmThey s***canned everyone who could recognize a pattern, feets.
I wish I was kidding. I wish I was being a smart@$$.
CAIR is doing your intel analysis now. That’s where your money is going.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:35 pmWhat do you think happened to anyone involved in the after action report that Nidal Hassan was motivated by, I dunno, Islam, maybe? Think that was a good career move, what with the Army Chief of Staff’s first reaction to hearing about the killings ran to concern for his diversity goals?
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:40 pmmaybe there’s a groupon they could use
happyfeet (831175) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:40 pmThey’ll need it, being out of a job. But they better use it quick.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:50 pmAnother Coast Guard video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZHOoToj0Zg
I never served in the USCG. But disappointment I know all too much about.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 4:53 pmwell if it’s just random violence:
http://therightscoop.com/failure-of-leadership-obama-had-chance-to-rescue-isis-hostages-refused-to-act/
narciso (ee1f88) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:23 pmSteve, I was never on surf boats, but I had temporary duty on the Rockaway in 1971. We were between Cape Cod and Bermuda in a gale that sank a tanker that was carrying home heating oil to Boston. The waves were running about 50′ and the Rockaway was muddling along on a single prop (the skipper had pranged the other one docking,) at 12 knots. The scene from the Rockaway’s bridge was a lot like your video. The waves were about 500 yards crest to crest, and little things like 120′ fishing boats would only be visible if you were on the top the crest, and they were in the trough right in front of you. WWII radar, standard CG equipment 20 years later, was able to detect the fishing boat from about 5 nm. When the bow of the Rockaway came down, the whole ship would ring like a bell. But those 311′ cutters were very seaworthy. They’d been designed as sea plane tenders with lots of anti-aircraft guns. Remove the guns and the cranes, and they were very hard to tip over, and they had a tremendous range.
bobathome (f208b6) — 2/10/2015 @ 5:36 pmA man is sitting in a saloon in Paso Robles, California and was far from home when Barack Obama came on TV.
The man looked at the TV and said, “Obama is a horse’s ass.”
Out of nowhere, a local jumps up and punches him in the face, knocking him off his bar stool, then stomps out.
The man got back up, rubbed his cheek and ordered another beer.
Shortly after, Michelle Obama appears on the TV. The man looked at the TV and said “ She’s a horse’s ass too!”
Out of nowhere, another local punches him in the other side of the face, knocking him off his bar stool again.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/10/2015 @ 6:03 pmThe man gets back up and looks at the bartender, “I take it this is Obama country?”
“Nope, replies the bartender, “Horse country.”
I had to look her up, bob. Rockaway wasn’t a name I am familiar with. My dad served in the ex-USN gunboat Mendota and the ex-USN tug Cherokee. He retired in 1967 so you probably didn’t cross paths.
I crossed the T of a hurricane in Carl Vinson. We spent two weeks in Subic Bay fixing the bow. Anybody who goes out in that kind of weather on purpose, I have nothing but respect for.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:04 pmThe damage that storm did to Carl Vinson apparently doesn’t rate a mention on Wikipedia. Which is hardly surprising. One, because it’s wikipedia. Two, it was a screw up. I recall how the CAG ran his plane into some other planes upon landing. That should have been written up as a Class A flight mishap because there was that much damage. But that was airbrushed out of existence, too. RHIP
http://navysite.de/cvn/cvn70deploy.htm
If you poke around the cruise book, February – July 1990, and you know where to look you’ll see my handsome face.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:21 pmhttp://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2015/02/10/obama-random/
At some other time, in some other situation, this would be funny.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:41 pm#26
A tagger here was painting his stuff on a RR overpass when he fell… landing on the concrete in front of a police officer.
steveg (794291) — 2/10/2015 @ 7:54 pmBroken Bones. Revoked parole. Living the rest of his life unable to possess a felt pen.
Say hello to Wasco
The Obama administration has not yet peaked. Or, bottomed out.
http://freebeacon.com/blog/vox-dot-com-accidentally-breaks-news-instantly-regrets-it/
An excellent observation. The USG has a definition of terrrorism.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition
Our idiot preezy is going on about terrorism as if it’s random. But if you read the USG’s own definition of terrorism, it is anything but random. It’s supposed to drive a specific point home. It’s supposed to effect governmental policy toward a specific end. We are now reduced to having a preezy who not only won’t call Islamic terrorism Islamic, he won’t even call it terrorism.
I wonder if any of us will live to see the end of this.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 8:09 pmOh, it keeps getting better.
http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/02/06/serenity/#more-41810
Got that? Obama is dealing with the world as it should be. A perfect world that is deserving of our preezy. As described in a freshman dorm at Columbia University, circa 1980.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:06 pmOne in which Iran has nuclear weapons. Because of course in the perfect world of the future as discovered 35 years ago in a bong the Mullahs are decent human beings.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 9:09 pmre #61: HAH! 😀 🙂
B.O.T. –
seeRpea (8193fc) — 2/10/2015 @ 10:16 pmAre the Vox people that obtuse that they didn’t realize what was said to them?
I wish Obama’s foreign policy was random.
http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2015/02/08/obamas-secret-iran-strategy-began-in-2006-with-robert-gates/
George Bush had his fair share of bad ideas. But there isn’t one of them that Barack Obama can’t make ten times worse.
That article sums up why voting for Democrats would be a catastrophe. But the Republican will no doubt be merely a disaster. I like Scott Walker, but I fear he’d listen to these same people.
Steve57 (13bd8e) — 2/10/2015 @ 11:35 pm#67: Steve, you have the year right, but Obola spent 1979 to 1981 at Occidental College in L. A. The college still basks in its reflected glory.
bobathome (f208b6) — 2/11/2015 @ 2:40 amThree Muslim kids shot to death in North Carolina:
“The father of two victims, Dr. Mohammad Abu-Salha, believes hate led to the killings.
‘It was execution style, a bullet in every head,” he told the News Observer. “This was not a dispute over a parking space; this was a hate crime. This man had picked on my daughter and her husband a couple of times before, and he talked with them with his gun in his belt. And they were uncomfortable with him, but they did not know he would go this far’.”
Random? Maybe. Maybe not.
Leviticus (f9a067) — 2/11/2015 @ 11:07 amthere’s tagging and then there’s tagging Paris
what’s wrong with people
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/11/2015 @ 11:23 amWith respect to the murder of three young Muslims in N.C.: Via Pajama media the shooter was big into athiest culture.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/02/11/killer-of-3-unc-chapel-hill-muslim-students-was-hardcore-anti-religion-progressive/?utm_term=%23tcot
Via Ace,
Also-NYT weighs in on the parking dispute escalation.
elissa (1486dc) — 2/11/2015 @ 11:27 amhttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/12/us/muslim-student-shootings-north-carolina.html
” People say nothing can solve the Middle East Problem –not mediation, not arms, not financial aid. I say there is something. Atheism.”
elissa – I’m sure Gil will be right along to splain how that would work.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/11/2015 @ 11:37 amThe NC State students sound like 3 nice kids. What a tragedy.
DRJ (e80d46) — 2/11/2015 @ 11:52 amThe people running ISIS are probably secretly, or not so secretly, atheists.
Atheism, or near atheism, it is true, is more acceptable to Muslims than another religion because it is not actual apostasy.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 2/11/2015 @ 11:54 amyou can tell it’s a tragedy cause of it has its own hashtag
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/11/2015 @ 11:57 amI agree, DRJ. Very sad, and an event that will further aggravate tensions that certainly did not need further tinder to be added to the “fire”.
elissa (1486dc) — 2/11/2015 @ 12:14 pmDefinitely. Tragedy is the best word. I think Obama is far more likely to refer to these shootings as “terrorism” at some point, if they turn out to be religiously motivated, but that only goes to show his cowardice when it comes to referring to attacks like Charlie Hebdo by the same name.
Leviticus (f9a067) — 2/11/2015 @ 12:53 pmIn a way they were religiously motivated. The killer, Hicks, by all accounts and from the available evidence was a devout atheist who hated all religions. Here’s a partial screenshot of his Facebook page in which he declares his desire for religion to go away as an anti-Theist.
http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Screen-Shot-2015-02-11-at-7.22.18-AM.png
He may have expressed anti-Muslim sentiments as well, but it appears he despised all religions equally. He seems to be the kind of guy who would be vigorously nodding in agreement when Obama drew a (false) moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam. No doubt he thinks God orders the Jews to commit genocide in the Old Testament. They’re all equally bad.
According to his wife, who spoke to CNN, he really did shoot these students over a parking space. A$$holes like Hicks don’t need a “good” reason to commit murder. Any excuse no matter how small or petty will do.
Steve57 (730903) — 2/11/2015 @ 1:15 pmparking lot violence
mg (31009b) — 2/11/2015 @ 1:19 pmLest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other religion, remember that people have always committed terrible deeds in the name of atheism.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/11/2015 @ 1:47 pmLegal Insurrection has a nice post up about the Chapel Hill murders and a touching photo of one of the victims at her recent wedding with her own caption, “Dancing With Daddy”.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/02/its-just-a-photo/
elissa (1486dc) — 2/11/2015 @ 5:23 pmThis vile act cries out for the sober take Gil always provides.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2015 @ 6:42 pmThat is a touching photo. I couldn’t help but think there were several things, though, in that photo that ISIS would have executed the dancers for doing. Or the Taliban. Or Boko Haram. Or any number of groups.
It saddens me to think how many Muslims come here to escape zealotry. Yet these three young people got gunned down by a zealot in the US.
Steve57 (560f3e) — 2/13/2015 @ 7:52 amTotally random.
seeRpea (aa8044) — 2/13/2015 @ 8:14 am