Two Baby Boys And Two Choices Made – One For Life, One For Death
[guest post by Dana]
The answer to the question “What makes a good man?” depends on who you are asking. For one ardent feminist named Lana, her answer would unarguably be that to suggest a man could be good is itself a contradiction in terms and thus, the question is moot. Never the terms shall meet. Because of her misandry, Lana refused to allow her baby boy entry into the world where he would have had the opportunity to prove his mother wrong:
In the spring of 2012, I found out that I was pregnant. I had a good idea who the donator was, but money wasn’t really an issue, and I knew that I would be a good mother-like figure for the child by myself. I have always believed in the right for all women to have a choice in terminating their pregnancy, but when I confirmed the diagnosis about a month into into it, I decided that I WAS ready to have this child.
My journey has taken me to many different places fighting for women’s rights and carrying the banner of the Feminist Movement, even to the point of eschewing a career. One of the more prominent themes that I saw in these places was that men generally would look down on us, refuse to help us, or hardly even lend an ear so that we could air our grievances. This didn’t surprise me, the patriarchy has been well entrenched since the dawn of time, but here I was, here I am, ready to change it.
Seeking to justify her growing distrust and dislike of the patriarchy, she describes an incident early-on that happened on a plane. As she informed a male passenger sitting next to her that she was flying to an Occupy Wall Street rally, he told her “B****** like you need to learn their place”. Lana describes feeling as if “His words had violated both my feelings, and my trust, perhaps as much of a violation as actual physical touch.” Upon being told by the steward that he could not move the man because no violation had actually occurred, Lana reacted:
I was flabbergasted, and then betrayed as they recommended that I move to one of the empty seats. This left me in tears. I knew the only way to get away was to move seats so I did so tearfully and having felt as though I had been verbally and emotionally raped.
By the time we landed, my outlook had changed, I could no longer depend on men to be an ally of the cause.
Of course, Lana had automatically assumed she would have a girl. When she was informed by her doctor that an ultrasound determined she was instead pregnant with a little boy, she was horrified. Her reaction to her “body’s betrayal”? She had an abortion a few days later. Of her decision:
I stand by my decision to abort my baby because it was a male.
I don’t hate men, I hate the patriarchy, what men, and even some women, turn into, I wasn’t going to let that happen with my offspring. The chances were greater that it would with a male, it was unacceptable.
If the curse returns, I would do the exact same thing all over again.
And her response to her critics:
To me, the experience was liberating, the emotions I felt when deciding what I should do, and after learning my fetus was male was something I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. Coming out of it a liberated woman though was more than worth it. If I had to do it all
over again, I would do it in a heartbeat.
In her eyes, it was a noble sacrifice: Killing her son was a way to literally become part of the change she wanted to see: the end of the patriarchy.
While most mothers would lay down their lives for their babies in a heartbeat to protect them, no questions asked, this paragon of selfishness instead told her baby, You must die for me so that you don’t become what I don’t like.
With that, Samuel Forrest eloquently demonstrates what a good man is and what the power of love looks like:
“This pediatrician walks out of the room with a little bundle — that was Leo,” Forrest said. “She had his face covered up and hospital authorities wouldn’t let me see him or my wife. When the doctor came out, he said ‘there’s a real problem with your son.’”
Forrest followed doctors and nurses into a room where he’d finally get to meet his baby.
“When I walked into the room they all turned to me and said ‘Leo has Down syndrome,’” he told ABC News. “I had a few moments of shock.”
After the news had sunk in, Forrest held Leo for the very first time.
“They took me in see him and I looked at this guy and I said, he’s beautiful — he’s perfect and I’m absolutely keeping him.”
Soon Forrest walked into his wife’s hospital room with Leo in his arms.
Her reaction was unlike one he ever expected.
“I got the ultimatum right then,” he said. “She told me if I kept him then we would get a divorce.”
Forrest chose his son.
Forrest is a good man. A fine and decent person who likely doesn’t have time to consider the patriarchy or whether some feminist had her feelings hurt by a man, because Forrest chose life. Real life. Diapers, night-feedings, colic, a perfect precious life in an imperfect little body. And Forrest chose sacrifice – a life time of it. And he chose it lovingly, gratefully and with arms and heart wide open.
Thankfully, in one little baby boy’s life, love conquered all.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/8/2015 @ 10:46 amOMG, the mother did not want a child with D.S. ? I can’t help but think of
seeRpea (8193fc) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:02 amSarah Palin and her decision.
If I were asigned to a seat next to a self identified occupy wall street freak threatening to kill her unborn child who is likely to piss in my ear about it cross country, I’d be highly offended.
Why is her dungeon more important than his comfort?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:10 amI think it was absolutely appropriate for him to tell her to put a cork in it.
Maybe it’s just me, but the first story reads like trolling to me. It just seems a little too over the top, it’s on some random blog, and it’s written anonymously. Now she’s “responding” to her critics with stuff that’s only going to inflame her critics even further.
If it’s real, then evil doesn’t quite come close to describing her actions…..however, I have my doubts.
ElCapitano (e68869) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:17 amOccupy Wall Street freeloader on a plane in America is about the equivalent of a Muslim dropping off his Hezbulah ninja outfit at a Jewish dry cleaner.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:19 amEl Capitano,
You could be right. It has that feel to it and yet, if so, then there’s a whole lot of time and energy being spent on that website to just provoke. Nonetheless, sadly I don’t think her story is that remarkable in feminist circles.
Dana (cd2ad6) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:28 amPIV = Rape
Why did that idiot Lana allow her selfishness to overcome her values and permit a “depositor” to use her for her glandular relief?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:29 amI find I cannot judge someone who is adverse to a special needs child. It’s not me on whom the burden falls.
But abortion for sex-selection is evil. Suppose it was abortion due to race? Would that be clearer to her? Would she have kept a boy if the doctor had told her the father was black? Or been conflicted? After all, the patriarchy is white…
And how, pray tell, did she ever get pregnant in the first place? What man would put up with her long enough?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:32 amRE: The Lana story I am aghast and at a loss for words
Angelo (d89d7b) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:37 am==felt as though I had been verbally and emotionally raped.=
I’m glad Luna wrote those words because it makes it easy to dismiss her as a complete nut case and to discount everything else she says.
elissa (3adc7a) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:39 amLana is too neurotic to have any kids, but, you can tell she’s white. If she was black she would be used to being called B****.
She’s probably a women’s studies major.
Jim (84e66d) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:39 amDana, thank you for the second part of this post. I have always been afraid of the first part.
The first part demonstrates the dangers of our current weird oikophobic sociology developing (I asked Patterico to share something with you that happened in my classroom to reinforce the point). It leads to things like this.
But I promise, this same person is very worried about islamophobia…despite how women are treated in many Muslim societies.
It’s all narrative, all the time. Not fact. It’s also mixed with a weird self-indulgent narcissism.
Still, the second story made me feel better. I have heard it said that we are evolutionarily tuned to “bad” or “dangerous” things (because that helped keep us alive), while ignoring good things. Thanks for showcasing a good story, in our strange times.
Simon Jester (dd05d9) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:45 amI also wonder how “Lana” feels about China’s “one child” strategy, and the gender imbalance it creates. You would think she would be much more concerned about the “female genocide” taking place there.
Simon Jester (dd05d9) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:46 am“I’m glad Luna wrote those words because it makes it easy to dismiss her as a complete nut case and to discount everything else she says.”
elissa – When you decide that after somebody you’ve never met before and will likely never meet again says something you don’t like that your only choice is to abort your baby, you might have a few issues, but I’m not a mental health professional or radical feminist.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2015 @ 11:49 amKevin M @ 8,
She didn’t have sex with a man. She says it was donated sperm.
Dana (cd2ad6) — 2/8/2015 @ 12:15 pm“Surf’s Up
Aboard a tidal wave
Come about hard and join
The young and often spring you gave
I heard the word
Wonderful thing
A children’s song
Child, child, child, child, child
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/8/2015 @ 12:26 pmA child is the father of the man
Child, child, child, child, child
A child is the father of the man
A children’s song
Have you listened as they played
Their song is love”
“She didn’t have sex with a man. She says it was donated sperm.”
Dana – That’s not my read on it. Her words were “I had a good idea who the donator was”, which I take to mean which man was the guilty party, not that she went to a sperm bank. I think she’s using rad fem speak for useless men, but I could be wrong.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2015 @ 12:30 pmIt just seems a little too over the top,
To sane, non-ultra-liberal people it is.
However, there was a time when I never thought someone with the extremist, disreputable background of the guy now in the White House would have had a snowball-in-hell chance of becoming this nation’s president. Yet, there he is.
So if the woman is, in fact, authentic and describing her situations accurately, then the good side to the story of the life she snuffed out is who in their right mind would have ever wanted to get stuck with a nutcase like her as as a mother?
Mark (c160ec) — 2/8/2015 @ 12:32 pmDaley,
That’s how I read it too. And also that she has had multiple male partners.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/8/2015 @ 12:34 pmHow long before impregnating someone with a boy is “rape”?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/8/2015 @ 12:36 pmKevin M – Right now all PIV = Rape to the rad fems. I don’t know how it works with basters.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2015 @ 12:44 pmdaley,
I guess I’m not hip to rad fem speak. You are probably right. But then, that makes her even more hypocritical. If she hates the white patriarchy so much, wouldn’t then, for the sake of logic and consistency, she only have sex with non-white men – thus alleviating any fearful contribution she might make to the patriarchy.
But perhaps logic and consistency weren’t in her bag of tricks.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/8/2015 @ 12:52 pmShe’s looney tunes. It’s useless to try to find logic or make sense of any of her actions, her statements, or her thought processes.
elissa (b3e865) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:09 pmhe told her “B****** like you need to learn their place”
The part of the story that may be a bunch of crappola is the comment of the person sitting next to her on the plane. The stranger in reality may have actually said something no more inflammatory than “the Wall Street Occupy crowd really isn’t serving a useful purpose and would be better off somewhere else. By the way, I know a good restaurant a block away from the rally….”
Of all the Rashomon-type descriptions applied to a situation, the observations from a liberal should automatically be greeted with the most skepticism.
Mark (c160ec) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:14 pmElissa, I’m a little suspicious. I once had a student who was super duper vegancentric. People who ate meat were “destroying the planet and their own health.” The usual. Very aggressive about it.
Guess who I caught at McDonalds eating a Big Mac?
There is a lot of shoulder dislocation on the Left from patting themselves on the back too enthusiastically for “goodthink.”
The truth differs sometimes.
Simon Jester (dd05d9) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:15 pmWhy did that idiot Lana allow her selfishness to overcome her values and permit a “depositor” to use her for her glandular relief?
Maybe the batteries in her vibrator had died.
The second story has a sequel. The father put out a crowd funding thing and got 300 plus thousand. Now it’s $484,635
The ex-wife has now changed the story and said she doesn’t want a divorce. Obviously, she has heard about the money and wants a share.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:23 pmShe would have been/will be an awful mother anyway. She could at least have gotten him adopted.
Gazzer (e441dc) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:24 pmPart of the new story is this:
Neither did he tell me anything on the day we filed for divorce If both people file who are they divorcing ? I don’t believe her.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:26 pmThe Revenge of Conscience- At some deep level we know what evil is and come up with ways that justify it, the worse the evil the more absurd and bizarre the reasoning to justify it.
My wife suggested that the second story should not emphasize the goodness of the man, but the coldness of the woman. It was not that many years ago that the man’s behavior was the norm, and all would be aghast at the new mother. The downhill slope is steep, and the point of no return may not be recognized until too late.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:29 pmThanks for the additional info Mike K.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:30 pmI guess we’ll see what more is to come.
OT: A request for Sammy-
Do you think you can put your research skills into whatever excerpts we can we can find of Hillary’s senior thesis on Alinsky.
Assuming it’s true that she did indeed write such a paper on him, which is what I heard years ago.
I understand “they” did what they could to buy up all of the copies of Kerry’s “Winter Soldier” they could find.
It would be so helpful to see in print her accolades for his luciferness,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:36 pmbut if you find it, maybe we should sit on it for another 18 months or so.
Guess who I caught at McDonalds eating a Big Mac?
The epitome of (and since your account does pertain to food or drink) a “latte liberal.” However, I’m always a bit less exasperated if a bout of two-faced, mindless liberalism is emanating from a younger person, such as a student in college. It’s when such an individual is as old as, say, the guy now in the Oval Office that I become not just exasperated but sickened too.
BTW, no less than a great humanitarian like Adolph Hitler was a big fan of veganism and animal rights.
Maybe the batteries in her vibrator had died.
LOL.
Mark (c160ec) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:49 pmI respect both of these women for the honesty of their choices. Both women understood they were incapable of parenting their own children and they acted on that insight. Sadly, our prisons are filled with sons who endured horrific childhoods in the households of women who failed to make that choice.
In this world of equal opportunity, the dwindling number “fine and decent person(s)” shows no gender bias.
ThOR (a52560) — 2/8/2015 @ 2:40 pmMy wife suggested that the second story should not emphasize the goodness of the man, but the coldness of the woman. It was not that many years ago that the man’s behavior was the norm, and all would be aghast at the new mother. The downhill slope is steep, and the point of no return may not be recognized until too late.
With respect to Mrs. MD, in light of Lana being an excellent and sufficient representation of the selfish narcissism of women, why crowd the field? I felt it more important to contrast that with the selfless love for his son.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/8/2015 @ 3:30 pmIs “I have a good idea” better than “I have a sneaking hunch”?
I thought her just annoying.
Now she’s Maury Povich Pater test material.
The donator, if the child hadn’t been murdered by the egginator, would have been required by law to feed, clothe, care for, house, the baby boy. Isn’t the egg despensor liable for the crime of robbing the donator of his family heritage?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/8/2015 @ 4:04 pm31. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/8/2015 @ 1:36 pm
Well, I found out right away what the current situation is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_senior_thesis.
There is indeed such a thesis. It is supposed to praise Saul Alinksy personally, but say his methods were ineffective, and also complained that he doesn’t make too much sense. (She thanked Alinsky for two interviews and a job offer but wrote “after spending a year trying to make sense out of [Alinsky’s] inconsistency, I need three years of legal rigor.” )
The thesis puts him in a category with Eugene V. Debs, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Walt Whitman, and is mostly written in academic jargon.
All this from a 2007 msnbc report: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17388372
The thesis was in the archives of Wellesley College, in Massachusetts, and was made unavailable to the public in early 1993, at the request of Bill and Hillary Clinton, although that this was at their request was not confirmed apparently until MSNBC did it in 2007. Initially, the college did it without explanation, but in 1995 they adopted a rule which resulted in it being made available in 2001.
Here is an MSNBC story claiming the decision to lock it up was stupid:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17388394/ns/politics-decision_08/t/how-clintons-wrapped-hillarys-thesis/
The hold on it expired on January 20, 2001 (although it would come back again were she to become president) and many people were not aware that the hold had expired.
But you have to go to Wellesley, Massachusetts to read it. It is available only to those who visit the Wellesley archives. But there is a loophole if you can get the library to send a microfilm copy to you via interlibrary loan, or you could in 2007. You cannot copy it in their library or disseminate it on the Internet because Hillary Rodham Clinton holds the copyright on it. Except that it might be available anyway..somewhere, or was in 2007, in violation of copyright.
Now MSNBC wasn’t the first to write about it. In fact this gets things backward. MSMBC wrote about it because others had already. And a copy had escaped from the library, via microfilm. The reason it’s not generally available is because of Hillary’s copyright.
A journalism professor at Boston University wrote about it in 2005 and put what he had written for one of his classes on the Internet on December 19, 2005, and here is what he wrote, courtesy of the wayback machine (hat tip, Wikipedia)
http://web.archive.org/web/20110614022102/http://www.centristcoalition.com/blog/archives/002771.html
The Boston Globe also reviewed it in 2007:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/03/04/a_students_words_a_candidates_struggle/
It has a number of quotations.
Human Events also had an article about in March 2007, based on a text that a journalism student named Dorian Davis had. He got it through his college’s interlibrary loan program with Wellesley, and he wrote it out and e-mailed it to Human Events. Wellesley officials refused to verify the accuracy of the copy in 2007 citing limitations of staff and time. But Human Events writes that other things written about it seem consistent with their copy.
A quotation contained in the Human Events article:
Peggy Noonan also saw the thesis, according to Wikipedia.
The Wikipedia article doesn’t seem to have any updated information on the availability of this thesis. There’s a campaign going on to delete the article, but it’s been refused.
In 2014, some letters between Hillary Clinton and Saul Alinsky became available and the Washiongton Free Beacon wrote about it:
http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-letters/
http://freebeacon.com/blog/the-revolution-will-be-monetized-how-hillary-clinton-betrayed-a-liberal-icon/
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 2/8/2015 @ 5:39 pmFuture generations will look back at today with horror.
gahrie (12cc0f) — 2/8/2015 @ 5:40 pmWasn’t intending to be critical of what you wrote, Dana, I was just offering another perspective.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/8/2015 @ 6:20 pmOne would hope so, but I doubt it. It seems we just get worse and worse.
Chuck Bartowski (3e0e89) — 2/8/2015 @ 6:26 pmI didn’t take it as a criticism at all, MD. I hope you didn’t take my explanation of why I chose to emphasize the man’s goodness as an insult to Mrs. MD! Because it certainly wasn’t.
Dana (8e74ce) — 2/8/2015 @ 6:27 pmWe’re clear, Dana.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/8/2015 @ 6:57 pmIts either trolling or its murder. Our system is so messed up it defies description.
Mark Johnson (614e1b) — 2/8/2015 @ 7:00 pmOffering child sacrifices was one thing the Canaanites did that aroused God’s anger, IIRC.
Modern society simply likes to offer them earlier.
I guess I could make it onto the SPLC list for stuff like that.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 2/8/2015 @ 7:04 pmThe feminutso sounds like a phony story. The second one sounds like “don’t take a woman seriously an hour post-partum”. Not for forty days after, even.
nk (dbc370) — 2/8/2015 @ 8:38 pmThe REAL question, Kevin, is:
IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d) — 2/8/2015 @ 9:20 pmIs there a turkey baster on the planet which wouldn’t want to tell her off before it finished? :-9
Sometimes it is difficult to ignore ignorant liberals. Sometimes you should ignore ignorant liberals. The Internet does not make them smart and their own beliefs will eventually make them go away.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 2/8/2015 @ 9:25 pmDana, she’s an ultra-Feminist (dare I invoke Godwin’s Wrath by referring to her as a “Feminazi”…? It truly seems appropriate in this case)…
It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that “logic” and “consistency” have never been within miles of the woman. And if they ever were, she felt “emotionally and verbally raped by them”, this is a sure thing.
IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d) — 2/8/2015 @ 9:28 pmNot true.
We do not tolerate many things today that people thought nothing of in the past:
General Slavery
Race-Based Slavery
Sexual Battery
Racial Discrimination (well, except against whites)
Religious Discrimination (well, except against Christians)
And, though it tends to be taken to an irrational distance, Mistreatment** of the Handicapped (physical and mental) as well as Mistreatment of Animals are both strongly frowned upon.
This notion that we’re worse people than our ancestors is just flat-out bovine excreta. While there is much brutality in the world, it is more the flat out numbers of people which has increased, along with the general population. The number of people capable of actual in-your-face brutality is a fraction of the population. Even the central bitch of this story isn’t truly faced with her brutality, she just goes in, lies down, gets sedated, and it’s done. And I’m willing to bet the doctors doing the job have plenty of their own sophistries to neutralize the reality of what they do considerably.
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**(I say “irrational” in that we tend to think it’s acceptable to inconvenience everyone else in order to reduce the inconvenience of the handicapped a little. The UNIVERSE fucked ’em up, but hey, everyone else gets to shoulder the burden. Gee, thanks.)
IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d) — 2/8/2015 @ 9:43 pmwe’re in an awful mess and i don’t mean maybe
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/9/2015 @ 7:20 amBoth of these stories supply some rationale for male birth control. Men should have more of a choice in the “mother type” figures for their offspring. A woman who calls having a male child a curse really deserves no semen ever again.
Wendy (d1499b) — 2/9/2015 @ 8:24 amSnopes is saying that the abortion story is “probably false”, and the original site is now not available. Any other details? http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/abortedboy.asp
Don (cf1711) — 2/11/2015 @ 4:15 pmThe whole story may indeed be false. But the story is a product of a sick mind. When I was in college for some strange reason I had occasion to read feminist literature. Short stories. Man, that was some twisted stuff.
I read this original story through, and it was pathetic and funny how “Lana” was describing how she was going to raise her daughter to be strong and to believe she could do anything. Yet that involved choosing the right girls-only schools.
So she’d raise her daughter to believe she could do anything. Except for mingling with and competing against men. Which is pretty damned weak, but then what do you expect from a woman who is reduced to tears by the thought of sitting next to a man on a plane?
Steve57 (730903) — 2/11/2015 @ 4:38 pm