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One Of These Guys Landed On The Southern Poverty Law Center’s “Extremist Watch List”…And It Wasn’t The Elected Official (Updated With Apology From SPLC)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 2:20 pm

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Dr. Ben Carson:

“[I]f we can redefine marriage as between two men or two women or any other way based on social pressures as opposed to between a man and a woman, we will continue to redefine it in any way that we wish, which is a slippery slope with a disastrous ending, as witnessed in the dramatic fall of the Roman Empire.”

(h/t Daily Caller)

Omaha Sen. Ernie Chambers (D-Nebraska):

Omaha Sen. Ernie Chambers said all white people are racist and that his blood was “polluted” by white people last week while filibustering a bill and lambasting a state education board member who has rejected calls for his resignation after his blog called the president a “half-breed.”

Chambers, a 77-year-old African American senator who is the state’s longest serving lawmaker, made the comments about race while filibustering a bill that would increase the fee for marriage licenses.

(h/t Instapundit)


UPDATE: Southern Poverty Law Center has removed Dr. Carson from their hit list and issued an apology:

In October 2014, we posted an “Extremist File” of Dr. Ben Carson. This week, as we’ve come under intense criticism for doing so, we’ve reviewed our profile and have concluded that it did not meet our standards, so we have taken it down and apologize to Dr. Carson for having posted it.

It’s not an entirely clean apology given that further in the statement, SPLC sanctimoniously informs the public that they will continue to monitor Dr. Carson because of all those outrageous comments he has made and extreme views he holds.

36 Responses to “One Of These Guys Landed On The Southern Poverty Law Center’s “Extremist Watch List”…And It Wasn’t The Elected Official (Updated With Apology From SPLC)”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. happyfeet on gay marriage:

    hey where did the ship go

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. That would be “Left-Wing Hate Group SPLC”.

    Craig Mc (299f38)

  4. I’d take inclusion as a badge of honor.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  5. Felipe on gay marriage:

    It set sail on the same course as the Titanic.

    felipe (56556d)

  6. what’s left out of carson’s quote here are his comparison of
    gay folks to beastiality, his references to the tiny fringe grou,
    NAMBLA as if they represent all gay people, and his suggestion that bakeries might want to poison
    cakes for gay weddings. does that make him an ‘extremist’ or
    just a totally-biased jerk ?

    el polacko (a42f50)

  7. Sigh. It’s not about getting rid of racism, of course. It’s about creating a class of people who cannot be criticized.

    As Glenn Reynolds puts it: “...because shut up…

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  8. Context is everything:

    “I believe in justice and fairness for everybody. And I don’t care what people’s sexual orientation is. If two adults want to be together, I’m not going to stop them from being together,” Carson said, after being asked about same-sex marriage. “If they even want to have a legal contract so they can share property and have visitation rights, I don’t have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is when people try to force people to act against their beliefs, because they say, ‘they’re discriminating against me.’ So, you know, they can go right down the street and buy a cake, but no, let’s bring a suit against this person because I want them to make my cake, even though they don’t believe in it.

    “Which is really not that smart,” he quipped, “because they might put poison in your cake.”

    Terry Giles, chair of Carson’s political action committee, USA FIRST, said Tuesday it was unfortunate Carson’s words made some people upset, but making “a significant issue” out of his comment is “disingenuous at best and the worst kind of political demonizing at worst.”

    “Dr. Carson’s response was intended to be humorous from the standpoint that you do not upset the people serving you food because — as the saying goes — ‘they may spit in your soup,'” Giles said in an email. “That is neither controversial nor difficult to understand.”

    Dana (8e74ce)

  9. @el polacko-reading comprehension is hard, huh?

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  10. It’s noteworthy that SPLC added Carson to their list right before he he announced he will be throwing his hat into the race. That’s some ammunition to use against him. (Carson polled ahead of Cruz, Christie, Jindal, Kasich, Bush, Perry, Rubio, Santorum and Trump in Republicans’ first choice choice for president).

    Dana (8e74ce)

  11. Just remember the one sidedness of all this. We need to be loud and proud speaking up against hypocrisy.

    Simon Jester (dedf31)

  12. ernie chambers was Lenora felani’s running mate, 20 some years ago, crazy as a bag of cats,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  13. You’ve got to hand it to the left. They are excellent at infiltrating organizations for their own ends. I believe they did the same to the Sierra Club and now they are working with the Ruskies, oil producers as we all know, to oppose the Keystone pipeline.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  14. Speaking of which #13, on leaving my in-laws place the other day, I used the word “watermelons” to refer to some environmentalists, and they looked at me blankly. How insular do you have to be to never have heard that, whether you agree with its sentiment or not? So I asked them “What color is a watermelon?” and of course they said “green”. Then I asked “But if you look inside what color are they?” I think they must still be screaming!

    Ray Van Dune (80504e)

  15. SPLC has never been about hate groups or extremists. It is a fundraising effort for the personal benefit of Dees. He did manage to sue the last of the active Klan groups and confiscate their remaining assets – some 40 years ago. After that, he went in the business of scaring wealthy white liberals with the prospect of a resurgence.

    When the suckers began to realize the Klan was never coming back, he switched gears to scare them with militia groups and white-power skinheads. Dees never DID anything about any of them, but he scared the heck out of donors with his fundraising letters and press releases and staged press conferences (always dutifully covered by the leftist press).

    No, he only draws a salary of $200k or so, but he controls the money and the SPLC pays all his expenses. That way he has no real tax liability for most of it.

    Estragon (ada867)

  16. SPLC and the ADL need to have their names changed.

    SPLC has turned into a witch hunters club aimed at anyone THEY deem to be
    on the right.

    The ADL has become the Jewish Democrat Apology League as that’s about all
    they do these days.

    They sure don’t attack the PLO or the Anti Zionists. That might lead to


    jakee308 (f0aa61)

  17. SPLC and ADL -among others – are examples of O’Sullivan’s First Law,” which holds: “All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing.”

    Mike Giles (b8b724)

  18. I prefer:

    “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”

    Eric Hoffer, The Temper of Our Time

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  19. A minor quibble, but the Nebraska Unicameral Legislative is nonpartisan. Thus, Mr. Chambers is technically not a Democrat.

    Having watched his antics for years, I can assure readers that he takes great joy saying outrageous things and proclaiming racism to be the cause of every problem he encounters or manufactures.

    Elmer Stoup (9db16e)

  20. First of all, the nonsense about poisoned blood is ridiculous. Chambers should be ridiculed for it and labeled extreme.

    That said, this statement:

    as witnessed in the dramatic fall of the Roman Empire.

    Is utterly stupid. Pick up a history book. There are many reasons the empire fell. To suggest that sexual behavior is what started the Romans down a slippery slope ending in their demise is beyond extreme. And just think – this is coming from an educated man, a Dr for goodness sake. But dont anyone think too hard about it, because he supports your position.

    So for all I care, put both of these ya-whos watchlists.


    Gil (27c98f)

  21. 11-Simon –
    Does that mean team rino as well?
    As they are as big of liars as the democrats.

    mg (31009b)

  22. food stamp invokes the crusades for to show how christians are inherently evil like his terrorist friends

    dr. ben carson invokes the fall of the roman empire for to show how gay marriages will destroy civilization as we know it

    these people are pseudo-intellectual fruit loops

    happyfeet (831175)

  23. In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. — Napoleon

    nk (dbc370)

  24. Absolutely, mg.

    We live in a bumper sticker world, with thought just about as deep as a bumper sticker.

    Name calling, trivialization, etc….I mean, to each their own.

    But the stakes are awfully high to worry more about scoring silly points than winning hearts and minds.

    Simon Jester (dedf31)

  25. I am fond of the little Corsican’s quotations, nk. Here are two that fit our current situation quite well:

    History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.


    If you wish to be a success in the world, promise everything, deliver nothing.

    Sounds like the press and many politicians…

    Simon Jester (414640)

  26. No, he only draws a salary of $200k or so, but he controls the money and the SPLC pays all his expenses.

    Morris Dees lives the high life, the good life, the life of a “champagne socialist.” Meanwhile, many of his enablers, particularly in the liberal-loving, barely-or-sub-middle-class dystopias of America, lead another type of existence.

    Don’t cry for us, Argentina—or, for that matter, the prosecutor likely assassinated by that country’s current president, Cristina Kirchner.

    Mark (c160ec)

  27. re #20: not extreme at all. It was one of the things that drove the rise of Christianity and developed into a wedge issue that split the Roman elite.
    You may not like that, but to just dismiss it because it doesn’t fit your narrative …

    seeRpea (8193fc)

  28. @27
    Many historians discuss the fall of Rome at length. Yes there are those who state moral decay as one possibility. But there are others who dispute this, and still more who cite other reasons leaving this one out. For Dr Carson (and you) to reduce it down to one issue is incredibly simplistic and stupid if not dishonest.

    Gil (27c98f)

  29. Heh! Dr. Carson was probably talking about this Fall Of The Roman Empire: You may know it better by the remake “Gladiator” with Russel Crowe. He would have been required to take three classes in Social Sciences in Pre-Med but none needed to have been in History.

    nk (dbc370)

  30. clearly Rome did not have a Dr. Ben Carson to warn them of their suicidal folly

    poor lil monkeys

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  31. Gay marriage is not the HIV in our failed wanton pickle state. It’s the Kaposi sarcoma. Other things will bring us down because we have squandered our resistance for a pocketful of marbles. (Such are promises.) But the blind man does not fear the snake.

    nk (dbc370)

  32. nk, something to consider.

    Lewis Thomas used to be head of Sloan-Kettering a long time ago. He wrote a collection of essays called “The Lives of a Cell.” In it, there is an essay called “The Premedical Curriculum.”

    In the 1970s.

    Thomas argues that there is too much emphasis on science in the premedical curriculum. He points out that the science gets taught to them again in medical school, after all. I have to agree, having helped many dozens of students through the process of attending medical school.

    Anyway, Thomas suggests that the “ideal” major for premed students should not be biology or chemistry. It should be classical Greek.

    Why? The topic is difficult, like medical school. It requires genuine hard work and commitment, like medical school. But unlike every other major, every single thing you learn in classical Greek applies to human nature and humanity.

    Getting back to Ben Carson. It’s sure possible to criticize him. But it’s amazing to me that most of the people doing so haven’t really thought about his example. He is a pretty selfless guy.

    I find he is worth listening to, even when I disagree with him.

    As for the premed curriculum, here is Columbia’s:

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  33. The thing is science nerds take science courses for fun. No offense. 😉 I know, because the baby is an ophthalmologist. He went to Circle, like me, but where I was doing line drawings of nude ladies he was dissecting frogs’ retinas. He wrote it up too and presented it (poster) at a conference while still an undergrad.

    nk (dbc370)

  34. Oh, nk…. Lots of nerds like to see and draw pretty naked people. Some of us even get to see the real thing from time to time up close (without paying admission).

    More seriously, our system tends to hammer students into the idea that learning about many subjects is bad.

    I’m with Heinlein: specialization is for insects. We should specialize in one thing for a career, but appreciate many areas.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  35. Ernie Chambers is hate-mongering bigot of a scofflaw. A petit tyrant if there ever was one. I witnessed his antics while I lived in Omaha. There wasn’t a violent criminal gang member he wouldn’t cuddle up to.

    PCD (39058b)

  36. Update to post: SPLC has removed Dr. Carson from its hit list and issued a (qualified) apology

    In October 2014, we posted an “Extremist File” of Dr. Ben Carson. This week, as we’ve come under intense criticism for doing so, we’ve reviewed our profile and have concluded that it did not meet our standards, so we have taken it down and apologize to Dr. Carson for having posted it.

    Dana (8e74ce)

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