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1/30/2015

Mitt Romney Out – Open Thread

Filed under: General — JD @ 12:25 pm

[ Guest post by JD ]

Mitt will not be running for President.

Discuss.

—-JD

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: You know who this benefits?

197 Responses to “Mitt Romney Out – Open Thread”

  1. I still say Romney would make a great Vice President (for Scott Walker).

    ropelight (fb96a7)

  2. Mitt Romney will throw his support behind ____________ (fill in the blank). Discuss 😀

    Steve (ddadf8)

  3. Smart move. He would be a great addition to anyone’s cabinet. Also, now that he’s not running, I would like to see him more unleashed in responding to TFG and others.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  4. ==I would like to see him more unleashed in responding to TFG and others.==

    Me too, Gazzer. He could start with an open letter to now retired Candy Crowley. One retired debate “participant” to another– with suggestions on how media might better and more fairly handle future debates, and further he could explain why technically only actual candidates are supposed to be “participants” in presidential debates.

    elissa (3dc489)

  5. Good point. He would make an excellent Veep, with the foreign expertise that Slow Joe was supposed to bring. Although, that might be a waste of his talent.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  6. Mittens needs to just go away…

    and stay there.

    redc1c4 (dab236)

  7. he was gonna fix all the poverty

    guess he has other priorities

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  8. I am glad to learn that he is sane and has the good sense I assumed when I voted for him.

    GKH (1943bf)

  9. Like a speed boat hitting a bad wave. He swamped his candidacy with the agw chants of affirmation.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  10. it’s not as if she’s earned any forbearance,

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/01/30/give-sarah-palin-a-break/

    narciso (ee1f88)

  11. he was gonna fix all the poverty

    the only way to “fix poverty” is less government, less taxes and moar freedom, but not only would that not get past congress or the MFM, Mittens is down with glowbulb warming, and the only solution to that is MOAR regulation of every aspect of your life, not less.

    hence my desire to see his dumb a55 go away permanently.

    and that’s before you throw Romneycare into the mix.

    redc1c4 (4db2c8)

  12. I’m glad he dropped out – and surrpised he dropped out so suddenly, and surprised to learn that evidentaly it had already been pretty serious – he had evidentaly raise dmoney.

    His stated reasons reasons for dropping out look foolish, but not horribly surprising from Romney. He now thinks there might some new candidates who would not only make abetter candidate – after people know him – but even a better president. Does Mitt know who these people are, or is that going to be a surpise to him too?

    Wo is thinking of? Jindal? Paul Ryan?(except that Ryan said he isn’t running. If he hadn’t you might think he would like Ryan)

    Sammy Finkelman (e806a6)

  13. but

    the olympics

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  14. I wonder if his kids vetoed his nascent attempt to waste another $10 million of their inheritance.

    Leviticus (f9a067)

  15. Sorry. I immediately feel bad about that comment. I’m sure his children are very bright and very successful by their own efforts and skills, seriously. I don’t know why I said that.

    Leviticus (f9a067)

  16. Maybe because your first instinct is almost always snark, Leviticus?

    elissa (3dc489)

  17. I like the idea of Romney doing a reverse Herbert Hoover.
    without the actual PotUS part.

    seeRpea (9a7f2e)

  18. the donors seem to crave amateur sociology, and this passive aggressive pose toward opposition, when has that worked in the past?

    narciso (ee1f88)

  19. This is not good news.

    Romney was sure to siphon off some of the funding that the RINOs are seeking. Life just got easier for Bush and Christie and Huckabee.

    Ed from SFV (60f25d)

  20. Update – Another Possible Ebola Case at a Sacramento Hospital
    This one is being held at Kaiser South – a separate unrelated to the first patient (still not identified in anyway – media blanket enforcement total).

    The first patient “X” at UCD Med Center has tested negative for ebola. Thank goodness. Bt with this sort of ruthlessly efficient media non coverage, via cooperation with Pres Ebola’s wish or coerced by his will, I wonder what they would say if the test were positive?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  21. NRO writers/comments seems to think either Christie or Walker get the edge, cause of Romney’s statement in favor of “new blood.” Perhaps playing contrarian about the RINO/CoC/Bush crony money that looks to go to Jeb.

    What is interesting is how the comments are absolutely filled with loons complaining:
    “how dare you criticize ____”
    “circular firing squad”
    “11th Commandment”
    “NRO is a bunch of neocons”
    “NRO is full of establishment RINOs”
    “Krauthammer is to blame for Obama” – really bizarre.

    Pretty pathetic.

    Steve Malynn (6b1ce5)

  22. “Maybe because your first instinct is almost always snark, Leviticus?”

    – elissa

    Because my snark is usually unwarranted, I would say. You’d have a hard time showing that anyone’s “instinct” was “almost always” anything, of course. Aren’t you the one who gets irritated when people make assumptions about what you do or do not think?

    Leviticus (f9a067)

  23. My first instinct is almost always snark.

    JD (86a5eb)

  24. Who will pander for the Morman vote?
    Does it matter?

    mg (31009b)

  25. My first instinct is dark-eyed brunettes.

    nk (dbc370)

  26. I think he would do a good job fixing cabinet agencies that are in dire need of a cleanup. IRS or VA, take your pick.

    Jeffrey (2eddb6)

  27. I don’t know why I said that.

    because it is a valid, and reasonable, possibility?

    redc1c4 (4db2c8)

  28. It will be interesting to learn if, like Sarah Palin, people continue to ding on Romney. Silly nicknames, personal insults, fake stories, exaggerations, etc. It’s truly weird. Heck, I heard a “superconservative” commentator on the radio this afternoon saying that Romney was bad for dropping out because it gave Jeb Bush a better chance. The same person has consistently thought Romney was a bad candidate.

    Sigh.

    It reminds me of the weirdness when I was in grad school, and Reagan was President. During his Presidency, the Presidential Young Investigators program started, and a faculty member received that award. One of my fellow graduate students sneered that Reagan had cut the program. Everyone nodded sagely.

    Finally, I said “Dude, this is the first year of the program. How could Reagan cut it before it was founded…something he was on record agreeing with?” Silence. “Hell,” I told him, “Reagan could give you a hundred bucks as a Christmas gift and you would be mad it wasn’t a hundred and one.”

    Here is the truth: Romney is a good person. A fine man. He has done more to help others than almost anyone I know.

    Don’t want him to be President? That’s okay. There are lots of fabulous human beings I don’t think should be President; I don’t give them dumb nicknames and make up crap about them. I just don’t understand all the nastiness. It’s almost a neurotic thing with some folks.

    This is why I have consistently asked people to talk about who they like for office, not who they hate to the point of losing sight that Team D cannot win in 2016.

    Eyes on the Prize, folks.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  29. no, it’s different, the Huntress has practically no public defenders, the scrum against her is seemingly instinctual, although we know better,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  30. I love my husband and I want the best for him. He’s the smartest person I know and he could make a difference in politics at any level. I also admire people who want to serve and make a difference in public life. But I would hate it if my husband or any family member ran for political office, and I wouldn’t blame the Romney, Palin, Clinton, Obama or any politicians’ children for wishing their parents didn’t do that for a living.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  31. Having said that, some people want to run for and win political office and Romney is obviously one of those people. I don’t see Walker picking him because Walker’s strong point is management and organization. I think it hurt Romney that he picked Ryan, who seems like a mini-Romney to people not familiar with the GOP. You want some contrast on the ticket so it appeals to different people. I don’t see any of the Governors who are running picking Romney, except perhaps Christie if Romney throws his support that way.

    But I could see the various Senators, especially Rubio, picking Romney because they are short on hands on experience. Picking Romney would add to the maturity factor and administrative experience on the ticket. The question is, do independents care about that? What demographic did Biden help Obama get?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  32. Biden helped to corner the dirty old idiotic man market.

    JD (86a5eb)

  33. so wait–Leviticus is snarky. Then he thinks better of it and in his next comment says he doesn’t know why he said it. I answer that with snark and HE gets all bent out of shape???? Riiiight.

    elissa (3dc489)

  34. I’d guess big money/old money lefties. The Kennedy wing, maybe the Goldman Sachs wing who would otherwise be scared of a Jeremiah Wright acolyte?

    nk (dbc370)

  35. Blue collar Democrats like Biden so Obama may have picked and kept him because it shored up the base, especially after Obama’s bitter, clinger comments.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  36. What’s weird is young voters like him, too. I can’t explain that and I’m not even going to try.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  37. dang, nk beat me to my theme in #25. make it long and i’d consider it among the firsts :)
    Palin is a threat to the political hierarchies, Romney is not. We are not going to see spying from next door concerning Romney.

    ps: just want to add and remind once again how remarkable it is that they had access to all of Palin’s email covering multiple years and came up with nothing to attack her with.

    I like Palin a lot, and hope she continues her influencing from outside.

    seeRpea (9a7f2e)

  38. Hahaha… I’m not bent out of shape! I’m just saying that a brick is not a wall.

    Leviticus (f9a067)

  39. I have an instinctual snark, that I feed perpetual outrage. Keep it in the backyard with the turkey behind the chickenwire.

    Sometimes, not often because it will bite, I let it out in front for the neighbors to see.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  40. “‘If your Snark be a Snark, that is right:
    Fetch it home by all means—you may serve it with greens,
    And it’s handy for striking a light.

    “‘You may seek it with thimbles—and seek it with care;
    You may hunt it with forks and hope;
    You may threaten its life with a railway-share;
    You may charm it with smiles and soap—'”

    (“That’s exactly the method,” the Bellman bold
    In a hasty parenthesis cried,
    “That’s exactly the way I have always been told
    That the capture of Snarks should be tried!”)

    “‘But oh, beamish nephew, beware of the day,
    If your Snark be a Boojum! For then
    You will softly and suddenly vanish away,
    And never be met with again!’

    nk (dbc370)

  41. “But a brick is not a wall
    and a wall is not a man
    but a chair is still a chair
    Even when there’s no one sitting there
    But a chair is not a house
    And a house is not a home
    When there’s no one there to hold you tight,
    And no one there you can kiss good night.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. The timing, against the recent background, screams to me that his polling was giving him very bad news. That doesn’t surprise me.

    Gov. Romney is doing the right thing for party and country. He may still have public service ahead of him — perhaps a cabinet post, but more likely some sort of reprise of his trouble-shooting service when he rescued the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics — but the GOP has a broad, deep, and very talented bench, and I’m glad he’s stepping aside for a new generation of 21st Century Republicans. Would that some of the other also-rans and almost-rans from 2008 and 2012 who are now making noises about running would instead take his example (I’m looking at you, Huckabee, Santorum, Trump, et al.).

    Beldar (fa637a)

  43. “all and all you’re not another brick in teh wall”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  44. I have the impression that Romney’s AGW affirmations were his way of signaling “I don’t want to do this again”. To lesson the blow for his long time fans.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  45. Walker/Romney would be the narcolepsy ticket, by the way. Romney is not a particularly good campaigner, and the GOP Veep nominee will need to be one. My biggest reservation about Walker is that he’s dull, but I don’t think he’s as prone to tin-eared verbal gaffes (“binders full of women,” etc.) and his dullness isn’t nearly as threatening or off-putting as Romney’s vibe was to many voters who couldn’t relate to his very traditional background and lifestyle.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  46. Mitch Daniels 2016!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. Thank goodness. Now I don’t have to face the “Lesser of Two Romneys.”

    I can’t wait to see what VichyGOP, pretend conservative I won’t be voting for next year.

    WarEagle82 (b18ccf)

  48. I wonder if Mitt made a mistake when he did not run for a second term in Massachusetts. He would have won, and serving two terms in a democratic state would have been a strong campaigning position.

    mg (31009b)

  49. Walker may be dull but he doesn’t have the mega-wealth of Romney and that would have always been a distraction and red meat for the Dems and the media. (Yes, Pelosi etc are mega-wealthy, too, but they re Dems, so it doesn’t count.)

    Dana (8e74ce)

  50. I wonder if possibly Ann Romney’s health was an issue. Campaigning demands are extraordinary and I remember last time, she was down for the count at various periods of time. This is several years later and she’s several years older and with M.S.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  51. when Mr. Governor Walker softly smiles his super special free enterprise and individual liberty smile – the one he usually saves for when he feels he’s among friends and countrymen – he lights up rooms

    nay

    cathedrals!

    And people walk away sure in the knowledge that there remains one true heart with fealty to our constitution and its precepts, and that this detestable beaten whoredog of a country, it can, one day, be great again.

    and hallelujah

    happyfeet (831175)

  52. I think Beldar has it exactly right at #42. Mitt is first and foremost a business man. He can both read charts and understand what investors are saying and not saying. There was no reason whatsoever to drag out the inevitable.

    elissa (3dc489)

  53. Every time I run into someone who tells me how fabulous Joe Biden is (and I hear it lot, folks—the media has quite an effect on the brain), I show them this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho

    But first I have to reassure the person that is indeed Joe Biden before the silly hair transplant.

    I have lots of reasons to think Biden is a bad person. His actions during Supreme Court appointments were bad enough. He is pretty nasty. But that’s okay: the press has decided he is sweet.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  54. And it was all lies, Simon. From National Review,
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/315700/great-moments-vice-presidential-lying-jonah-goldberg

    Most of these statements were outright lies. Biden graduated from college with just one degree, not three. Yes, he did win a moot-court competition, but he graduated 76th in his class of 85. He wasn’t the outstanding political-science student. And why is he still talking about how many credits he graduated with? Who does that?

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  55. It always shocks me to know there is anybody who still thinks Joe Biden is OK. I mean, even the lapdog press corps to a man knows Joe’s an idiot and a walking, talking gaffe machine. Sure, they try to bury some of his flubs in ways they’d never do if he were a republican. But they record and print quite a few of the good ones, too.

    elissa (3dc489)

  56. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: You know who this benefits?

    Patterico (9c670f)

  57. (That’s a running gag at Hot Air.)

    Patterico (9c670f)

  58. “Sorry. I immediately feel bad about that comment. ”

    Romney gave away his inheritance to the university to fund a graduate school of business. Maybe his children have similar plans.

    I doubt they are worried about $10 million. I have been hearing rumors this week that he is moving to Utah and may run for the Senate seat from there. Mike Lee is next up for election and I would not think Romney would do well trying to defeat him in a primary. Hatch is up in 2018. He is selling his La Jolla house, I hear and maybe even thinking of taking a high position in the LDS church.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  59. I rilly doan think we have to worry about Biden getting the Democratic nomination for president, at least.

    elissa (3dc489)

  60. Biden lied his way through the debate with Palin and was I sorry she hadn’t been better prepared to call him on it. Biden clowned through the debate with Ryan and looked an awful fool but maybe that appealed to the fools voting for Obama.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  61. Who benefits?
    Bobby Jindal!

    askeptic (efcf22)

  62. Romney will make a great Secretary of the Treasury – another Andrew Mellon.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  63. If it’s Christie, Cruz, Rubio, or Jindal, I’m voting CPUSA.

    nk (dbc370)

  64. Are you sure you’re not too Left for that crowd, nk?

    askeptic (efcf22)

  65. seeRpea and DRJ mentioned lack of information on Jeb’s foreign policy views on the other Romney thread. So I did a quick Google, and this seems to be the most recent, nothing very earthshaking or lightshining…
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article4249229.html
    And an article from last month on foreignpolicy.com which reiterated that Jeb has said little on a number of issues.

    kishnevi (294553)

  66. nk actually prefers Syriza.

    kishnevi (294553)

  67. Probably, the revisionist neo-Maoist neo-capitalist bourgeoise lapdogs.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. Syriza is Swedish. KKE is Stalinist.

    nk (dbc370)

  69. Is there a Dzerzhinsky party?
    That’s more my style.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  70. Exactly, askeptic. BTW, would you know if Dzerzhinsky’s Mauser was a C96 or a Model 1914? I’m leaning towards the 1914, but it’s only a guess, and the question has been bugging me for a long time. It seems that “Dzerzhinsky’s Mauser” was a colloquialism in Russia — like “Superman’s cape”.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. Simon, thank you for that link to Biden in his pre-implant days. I have relatives who feel compelled to send me advice about the need to support hope and change, or the need to deal with Bush for arranging to have the WTC leveled (by bombs placed before the airplanes coincidentally crashed into them.) I now have a non-textual response.

    My gosh, how did we come to this place? There are aerial photos of the Navy’s fleet with tens of major aircraft carriers in the Pacific just prior to the end of WWII. The ships are awesome on many levels, but at the very least they demonstrated that we really don’t need to bow down to anyone. And yet we grovel.

    Obola chose carefully, but after six years, Biden is no longer the insurance policy that EarLeader assumed he would be.

    And think of that when you hear criticism of either Ryan or Palin … Obola chose Biden, and the Republican Party has yet to be able to exploit that profound example of incompetence. Ryan and Palin are original Americans that harken to days past. Biden is a nothing. Obola is a negative on every scale that that has an objective measure.

    bobathome (f208b6)

  72. You can get airsoft Mausers but if you’re smart you’ll leave the orange safety cap on.

    elissa (3dc489)

  73. 60. Biden lied his way through the debate with Palin and was I sorry she hadn’t been better prepared to call him on it. Biden clowned through the debate with Ryan and looked an awful fool but maybe that appealed to the fools voting for Obama.

    Mike K (90dfdc) — 1/30/2015 @ 5:25 pm

    Yes, Obama supporters ate up Biden’s act. Just like they eat it up when President Passive Aggressive flips people off while pretending to scratch his head.

    These two have zero class. And we’re paying for it now on the world stage. The way this administration is treating Netanyahu is a disgrace. They think they’re being clever by sending out anonymous officials to call him names like “chickens***.” But it’s just childish. It isn’t as if anyone who wasn’t already an Obama supporter is impressed. As a matter of fact, a lot of former Obama supporters are horrified.

    Most world leaders think Obama is a joke. They have zero respect for him.

    Steve57 (a04df5)

  74. 45. Walker/Romney would be the narcolepsy ticket, by the way. Romney is not a particularly good campaigner, and the GOP Veep nominee will need to be one. My biggest reservation about Walker is that he’s dull, but I don’t think he’s as prone to tin-eared verbal gaffes (“binders full of women,” etc.) and his dullness isn’t nearly as threatening or off-putting as Romney’s vibe was to many voters who couldn’t relate to his very traditional background and lifestyle.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 1/30/2015 @ 4:27 pm

    Walker has been working on that reputation for being dull. By all accounts his speech at the Iowa Freedom Summit was very well received. He’s still not the rousing public speaker Cruz is, but he did hold everyone’s attention for the duration of his speech. He didn’t put anyone to sleep.

    Steve57 (a04df5)

  75. nk, I didn’t find the answer to your question, but I did find these.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_political_jokes

    kishnevi (a5d1b9)

  76. 75. Yes, that seems to be the source, but it also seems that it caught on as a commonly understood phrase: http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/02/25/russia-one-bloggers-dream-come-true/

    From that same link: “A Mauser is something instantaneous. You’ve done your shooting and feel happy.”

    See, neither the C96 nor the 1914 are worth a shuck for fighting. They’re badges of rank for officers, for committing suicide, or for executing prisoners with a bullet in the back of the head (C96s were popular with the SS for that purpose). So Felix could have carried either. I lean towards the 1914 because it’s easier to carry around.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. It always shocks me to know there is anybody who still thinks Joe Biden is OK

    Joe has a gift. He knows more about the middle class than any ten members of his party and he can get people to believe in him on a retail basis. His President is just the opposite of that; a man who hobnobs with the dilettante class of which he is a member and is stiff and uncomfortable with the common man.

    Biden cannot both run for President and support Obama at the same time. The next 2 ears are going to be interesting for Joe Biden.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  78. I was first surprised that it looked like Romney was going to run again after saying he wouldn’t, now I’m surprised again that after making a such an impression he was going to run for him to say he is not.

    It would be sort of interesting to know why. I’m guessing there may be people who are influential in fundraising and commandeering support among some groups who told him they were no longer in his camp, for whatever reasons.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  79. If Walker is the nominee, his VP is going to have to be able to carry the load on attack. Someone who does not mind getting in people’s faces, and perhaps enhances Walker by contrast. Christie comes to mind (and also balances the ticket). There are probably others.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  80. As for Romney: I cannot think of a better person to charge with restructuring and downsizing the US government. Cut out $500 billion a year for starters and reform pensions and civil service while closing and combining departments, agencies and programs.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  81. http://t.co/C5qZukYuQy

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  82. Sadly Kevin that assumes the the Reps actually want smaller gubmint. They have not indicated this to be the case.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  83. Ah Pitties. The rapists of the canine world.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  84. elissa (#52): Hugh Hewitt — whose Romney-crowd contacts are deep-deep-deep — described this on his radio show today as Romney “having done the due diligence” before making his decision. That strikes me as likely being exactly right.

    Romney could have self-financed, regardless of polling and donations, and simply by virtue of his past status, he’d have been a formidable primary competitor. That he choose not to do that, that he bowed out now, may be the most selfless decision he could have made.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  85. The Solon had if I’ll running point for him during the debate “the us kicked hezbollah out of lebanon” and the rest of the journalist afterwards

    narciso (e93d54)

  86. The syria n’s are much like the pro Soviet Pasok in the 40s they learned nothing from the intervening three decades

    narciso (e93d54)

  87. Re Slow Joe Biden’s spectacularly undistinguished law school career, I reviewed the then-public evidence, as of 2005, here, which included quotes to news sources establishing that he graduated 76th out of 85 in his class at a not-very-prestigious law school, even after being allowed to re-take the class in which he’d been given an F, and nearly expelled, for plagiarism.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  88. Beldar,

    Selfless, especially as his polling was strong and growing. That makes it a bigger sacrifice for such a competitive person.

    Interesting that the Dems are unable to be gracious with his decision. Such little people:

    “Damn! Friday now ruined that Romney is not running,” tweeted Obama campaign manager Jim Messina. “I knew God didn’t love me enough for that gift.”

    Obama 2012 spokesman Ben LaBolt tweeted out Romney’s “Who Let the Dogs Out?” video with the note: “Thanks for the memories.”

    Former Democratic Rep. John Dingell tweeted: “Congratulations to Mitt Romney for finally saying something the American people want to hear.”

    Clinton strategist Paul Begala tweeted: “Now that he’s not running, what’s the over/under on car elevators in the next mansion he builds? 3? 4″”

    Dana (8e74ce)

  89. There’s enough evidence however to suggest he’S a knave rather a fool.

    narciso (e93d54)

  90. Dana, a fish rots from the head, so they say.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  91. Twitter really exposes people for who they are doesn’t it, Dana?

    elissa (3dc489)

  92. Yeah, I’m sure ancient ol’ John Dingell thought that up and tweeted it all by himself.

    elissa (3dc489)

  93. Jeb Bush: USDA Choice Dork.

    DNF (00dbcc)

  94. This was a foregone conclusion. In fact its only my dislike of tin-foil hats that keeps me from thinking this was a set piece from the get go. If Romney endorses Bush which I expect him to do, than I may brave that tin-foil anyway. There are only three viable candidates: Bush, Rubio, Walker. So9me combination will be the ticket. Bush-Walker or Walker-Rubio.

    Mark Johnson (614e1b)

  95. Anyone but Walker and we are boned yet again.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  96. Actually, refreshing my memory on what Jeb did as governor, I find that he did not really downsize state government so much as outsource it to private companies under taxpayer funded contracts.
    To me that is not downsizing. So consider my enthusiasm for him (which was never great) as having been withdrawn. Although he still is IMO more conservative than several others being touted in the media.

    kishnevi (a5d1b9)

  97. You know, if Jeb decided to use the Spanish translation of his name, Arbusto, to campaign with, a lot of LIVs probably wouldn’t know he was really just a white privileged scion of the famous Bush dynasty.

    elissa (3dc489)

  98. Anyone but Walker, from this bunch, and we are boned yet again.
    Gazzer (e441dc) — 1/30/2015 @ 8:51 pm nk

    nk (dbc370)

  99. Anyone but Walker, from this bunch, and we are boned yet again.

    He is the only one with guts.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  100. Thanks nk, that is what I meant.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  101. We will be robbed again if voter fraud isn’t mitigated, the lapdog media not hounded out of the ranks of the employed and the uncouth left punched back five times as hard. Enough of this pissing in the wind.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  102. nk (dbc370) — 1/30/2015 @ 6:02 pm

    Just a gut feeling, but I tend towards the ’96 Broomhandle, which was nicknamed the “Bolo” for a reason as it was the favored pistol of the Bolsheviks.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  103. How people could vote for another booosh or clinton makes me want to puke.
    The two most over rated families in American History. They all belong behind bars.

    mg (31009b)

  104. How people could vote for another booosh or clinton makes me want to puke.

    Ignoring the ideology of either group (ie, Bush Sr and Jr, and Bubba and Hillary), there’s such a trashy, blatantly dishonest quality about the Clintons — or “meaning of is is” and First Lady dodging sniper fire on airport tarmacs — that it’s a case of moral relativism to lump the two camps together. The worst that can be said about the Bushes is the dad’s “read my lips” and his and his son’s squish-squish, but they don’t quite enter the exact same upper echelon of lying and thrashed integrity best exemplified by the left, including the Clintons.

    However, as with Mitt Romney, there’s a severe illness known as squish-squish that’s pervading all levels of US society, including the one occupied by politicians, and it’s turning this nation into France West, Mexico North. Or sort of a political version of incurable cancer.

    Mark (c160ec)

  105. The bush doctrine is to have one America- from the tip of Tierra del Fuego to the North Pole.
    Living with that doctrine is Bush league. No way will America stand for another Bush to the White House. This is a selfish attempt to make damn sure the bush name is carried on. How can people fall for this b.s. Walker/West 2016

    mg (31009b)

  106. About time we have a president without a college degree.
    The last few presidents with college degrees SUCK.

    mg (31009b)

  107. 103. Good point. I’d forgotten about that.

    nk (dbc370)

  108. Back on topic, when it comes to politicians every silver cloud has a dark lining.

    nk (dbc370)

  109. 106. I’m down with that noise.

    I love women, with notable exceptions, but the next term will beyond any reasonable doubtedly require heroes at the helm.

    And Maggie’s passed.

    DNF (00dbcc)

  110. Undoubtedly

    DNF (00dbcc)

  111. As Rush said yesterday if Republicans hope to win job one is bringing in their base.

    Unfortunately, on the evidence of this forum, the party faithful are little more malleable than farm animals.

    This is especially evident in a professed preference for lengthy explanation in which the patently obvious is obfuscated with turgid nuance.

    DNF (00dbcc)

  112. at this point Team R is way ahead of the game if they just avoid antagonizing their base

    in particular, this “Jeb Bush” character is a very antagonistic, gratuitously chubby, base-taunting, hyper-entitled whore from a trashy family

    whilst porky porky Chris Christie’s leg-humping of Obama after superduperstorm sandy is likewise memorably antagonistic of the sensibilities of normal Republican-type people

    cf. Meghan’s coward daddy, Mitt “minimum wage hells yeah” Romney (interestingly, these curious quasi-historical artifacts were the last two presidential nominees of the Republican Party, nominated in 2012 and 2008, respectively. They both lost their respective races. Respectively.)

    happyfeet (831175)

  113. Don’t worry about unity in the GOP. If the Dems run Hillary you can bet your sweet bippi Bill Buckley’s sage advice (Vote for the most conservative candidate who can win!) will be repeated so often and in so many forums that the dwindling number of noisy disappointed political puritans will STFU, put aside personal pique, climb onboard the only train going in their general direction, and pull the lever for the Party’s presidential standard bearer.

    That’s what politics in a 2 party system is all about.

    ropelight (015535)

  114. but it’s not politics anymore Mr. ropelight

    america has been so viciously raped by obama that the poor little thing is facing an existential crisis

    Existential. Crisis.

    this election has to be more than about who’s going to bury the stinking fascist corpse of failmerica

    clotty-headed Hillary and pudgy Bushtrash are both equally qualified to supervise last rites

    but this election has to be about breaking with the past and facing the bleak future of this once-great country with honesty and courage

    if we’re not presented with this choice, then election day should be more about eating tasty pancakes, perhaps at yolk, particularly if you live near chicago, Indianapolis, or Dallas

    CHICKEN ‘n’ WAFFLES
    …9.99
    Our bacon waffle topped with crispy fried
    boneless chicken &
    sausage gravy. Served with
    a side of warm maple syrup.
    Add a fried egg for 75¢

    now that’s the kind of value all Americans can support

    happyfeet (831175)

  115. 114. Sure, that’s the ticket! Mob delusion.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/29/federal-judge-blasts-doj-lawyers-in-case-fast-furious-whistleblower/

    If anyone thinks this sort of crap is limited to this WH Administration you are probably a lawyer.

    DNF (00dbcc)

  116. If Bush, the common core crony –
    cared for country, he would drop out and back a conservative.

    mg (31009b)

  117. nonono Mr. mg

    Bush needs to be repudiated in the primaries

    flushed down the toilet of history like the hyper-entitled legacy p.o.s. candidate he is

    then Team R can draw a bright line between their future-oriented nominee and the backwards-looking fascist candidate Hillary Clinton, whose qualifications consist entirely of just two things… a saucy pair of old lady boobies and an empty loveless marriage to a whorish, herpes-ridden husband who served two consecutive terms as “President of the United States” back in the 90s

    happyfeet (831175)

  118. ok, happyfeet
    Seeing him flushed to the sewer will be noble.

    mg (31009b)

  119. it’s nice having something besides tasty pancakes to look forward to

    happyfeet (831175)

  120. When murdoch praises bush on amnesty to jarrett, the first thing that goes through my empty brain box is BUSH 2016!!!!

    mg (31009b)

  121. 117. The problem isn’t that self-interested capitalists are prone to give in to their vulgar instincts–lust for money and power and all they afford–the problem is not using the few brains God gave them.

    DNF (00dbcc)

  122. CHICKEN ‘n’ WAFFLES
    …9.99
    Our bacon waffle topped with crispy fried
    boneless chicken &
    sausage gravy. Served with
    a side of warm maple syrup.
    Add a fried egg for 75¢

    happyfeet, I love the way you think. And eat!

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  123. The two most over rated families in American History. They all belong behind bars.

    Amen to that! They sure ain’t no Adams clan.

    And as to Walker’s lack of degree, how about a Reagan-esque rejoinder: “After the last 40 years of Ivy League rule, I won’t hold your degree against you.”

    Patricia (5fc097)

  124. Of course the EU is not the US, but just as Japan was not the EU, today’s economics resages tomorrow’s:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-31/ecb-threatens-athens-bank-funding-cutoff-if-no-deal-one-month-february-28-now-d-day-

    This is a country of 16 million, entering a seventh year of economic depression, on the hook to repay a debt of $270 Billion.

    The next tranche of 7 Billion simply finances that debt. Tossing that sum on top of the pile only exacerbates the dilemma–the debt will never be repaid.

    The new goverment’s opening proposal is to write down half the debt.

    A sneaky opening to Grexit. Fools in German and ECB leadership will lose it all because they will not countenance losing any.

    Look now into your own hearts.

    DNF (00dbcc)

  125. Presages

    DNF (00dbcc)

  126. That’s a good idea, Patricia.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  127. For one indie, and I believe others here might second the observation, I have a visceral dislike for partisan Republicans. At the same time we all recognize some party discipline must of needs be maintained.

    For that reason indies do not unrealistically demand that a candidate meet their every requirement and take accusations of Puritanism in the malign spirit they are cast.

    When we say, e.g., Walker is the only party apparatchik we will support or darken ballots for that is a significant concession and we regard those who consider not the cost to us round A-holes.

    DNF (00dbcc)

  128. The culture, of which public education is a large part of,
    is what the problem is:
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/01/another-reason-to-home-school-your-kids.php

    We need someone who will be focused on being unapologetic about common sense and not distracted in to rabbit holes when there are pits big enough to trap a tiger to be pointed out.

    See Nehemiah, who knew enough to keep working and tell his detractors he was too busy getting things accomplished.
    I’ll leave the exact reference to Sammy, but I imagine he won’t see this until __ after sundown tonight? tomorrow?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  129. MD@130, I presume you’re thinking of this passage:

    1 Now it came to pass, when Sanballat, and Tobiah, and Geshem the Arabian, and the rest of our enemies, heard that I had builded the wall, and that there was no breach left therein; (though at that time I had not set up the doors upon the gates;) 2 That Sanballat and Geshem sent unto me, saying, Come, let us meet together in some one of the villages in the plain of Ono. But they thought to do me mischief. 3 And I sent messengers unto them, saying, I am doing a great work, so that I cannot come down: why should the work cease, whilst I leave it, and come down to you? 4 Yet they sent unto me four times after this sort; and I answered them after the same manner.

    (Nehemiah 6:1-4, KJV)

    Ibidem (f6791f)

  130. (off-topic)
    Surprisingly, not another game of “Name that party”:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/01/30/pennsylvania-state-treasurer-quits-will-plead-guilty-to-campaign-finance-charges/

    Pennsylvania state Treasurer Rob McCord announced on Thursday that he is stepping down as treasurer after six years in the office. The Democrat, who just ran unsuccessfully for governor, has been under a federal investigation over campaign finance violations.

    Ibidem (f6791f)

  131. Anyone but Walker and we are boned yet again.

    OK, I’ll bite. Why only Walker? Why not, say, Perry or Cruz or someone else? What qualities does Walker have that are so unique?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  132. That’s what politics in a 2 party system is all about.

    Yes, but the narcissism of American culture tells some people that they should oppose all candidates that don’t share their EXACT politics and values. As in “Anyone but X and we are betrayed.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  133. I think it’s human nature, Kevin M. It’s like buying a car when you decide you only want that one. After you get the car or if you wait awhile to buy it, you realize other vehicles would also be fine. Similarly, as the primaries play out, I suspect people who only wanted Romney will see other acceptable options, just as people who only want Cruz will also accept other options … even if we don’t feel like accepting other options right now.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  134. the American people have resoundingly rejected cheesy warmed-over Republican establishment sleazewhores twice already

    This means something.

    It has to.

    It’s like how it means something when a movie bombs or when GM comes out with some crappy car nobody buys.

    happyfeet (831175)

  135. #133, Kevin M asked, Why only Walker? Why not, say, Perry or Cruz or someone else? What qualities does Walker have that are so unique?

    Walker can win, both Perry and Cruz carry too much baggage, their appeal is limited, either regionally or ideologically. Walker has proved he can prevail against long odds. He a proven winner.

    At least give the guy a chance to win you over. Who knows, you might come around.

    ropelight (015535)

  136. what Walker has proven is that he understands that some issues have a more greater priority and urgency what attach to them

    and he’s proven that he knows which from which

    This is a rare skill for Republicans.

    happyfeet (831175)

  137. The Spring of ’16, when this dust-up will be settled within the GOP, is a long, long, way off.
    The entire world can change between now and then.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  138. ropelight–

    Walker is acceptable to me, as are some others. My only qualms are his hard line attitudes on some social issues like abortion, which I do not share and play into the Democrat/MSM narrative. OTOH, Walker’s dislike for the Deep State is well known and matches mine.

    Walker would need a strong VP or perhaps Sec State on foreign policy, like Bolton or Rice. Walker/Rice might work very well, if she’d do it. And Walker could use a Romney for restructuring, as I suggested above.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  139. My question was more “why are the others a betrayal?”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  140. yeah Walker’s views on abortion suck

    but you can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good

    happyfeet (831175)

  141. We need a military presence for v.p.- Col. West

    mg (31009b)

  142. askeptic (efcf22) — 1/31/2015 @ 11:13 am

    Agree completely.

    I think Walker can field questions about the abortion issue much better than some have.
    He has won 3 statewide elections in 4 years in Wisconsin.
    Though I imagine there are many Catholics and Lutherans throughout the state of WI who are registered Democrats but more social conservative than the Dem party.
    Even the Milwaukee area, where he was county super before Governor.
    It’s only the Peoples Republic of the County of Dane and its capitol Madison where he is anathema.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  143. Col. West

    Talk about baggage. Just because a guy is loved by his troops does not make him executive material. His reputation is more for half-cocked action than calm decision-making. No.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  144. I think the formation of the Republican Party was caused by circumstances that are quite similar to our present situation. The Whigs were willing to go along to get along with the Democrats in the 1850s. Which sounds awfully familiar. In doing, so they necessarily let the dual problems of slavery and its role in the westward expansion of the country fester. Their fecklessness became more and more untenable for many of their Northern supporters. The abolition movement grew over the 1850s and the Whigs had no answer to the abolitionist demands. And they were demands.

    The Tea Party has yet to latch onto a similarly compelling issue, but then slavery wasn’t such an issue until the compromises and the Supreme Court decisions of the 1850s elevated it to what many regarded as an existential problem late in the decade. Today, the invasion of our country by illegal immigrants is one such issue, and it could become pivotal if we discover the hard way that there were thousands of trained terrorist who joined the parade across the Rio Grande. Another issue that could fester is the debasement of our currency. This problem lies dormant at present because the rest of the industrialized world has followed the same course, only with relatively more gusto. Miraculously leaving the dollar as the last drunk standing at the bar. But the decline in the wealth of our middle class is one obvious result of our current practice, and this will become more apparent if financial problems beset the world.

    These are real problems, and the Republican Party should be working actively to solve them if it is not to be left behind by events. In the news yesterday was an interview with an ISIS operative in Turkey who has been organizing refugee smuggling out of Syria over the last several years. He claims to have infiltrated 4000 trained terrorists into Europe by salting each refugee group with two or so terrorists. Equally troubling, money flowed out of Greek banks in December at a level of about 6% of Greek GDP. This money is presumed to be deposited in Germany, or better yet for those who managed it, Switzerland. This was after the call for elections, but before the results were known. The January and February outflows will be greater. This will force the new government to do something remarkable. Being Marxists, look for them to freeze deposits once they understand the significance of the problem. This will create any number of new problems.

    Financial collapse and burgeoning terrorism might just provide the impetus needed to disband the current Republican Party. Particularly if it is seen as little more than an ineffective observer. Or worse yet, an enabler.

    bobathome (f208b6)

  145. Or worse yet, an enabler.

    like how Mike Pence kissed tea party ass to get elected then decided no actually he was a medicaid-loving obamawhore

    happyfeet (831175)

  146. Darn it! Now I will have to trow away all of my bumber stickers for mitt. Bumper sticker: VIETNAM WAR DRAFT DODGING CHICKEN HAWKS FOR MITT!

    mittens (021b58)

  147. Mr. mittens i successfully evaded service in Vietnam but the only time i was even remotely for “Mitt” was after he got gang-raped by Candy Crowley

    he just looked so pitiful shivering uncontrollable with that blanket wrapped around his shoulders

    so lost

    so confused

    but in the end I still couldn’t vote for him

    happyfeet (831175)

  148. shivering *uncontrollably* i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  149. what Walker has proven is that he understands that some issues have a more greater priority and urgency what attach to them

    and he’s proven that he knows which from which

    This is a rare skill for Republicans.

    happyfeet (831175) — 1/31/2015 @ 11:02 am

    A much rarer skill among Republicans is being able to set forth conservative positions in a way that the middle of the road, low info voters comprehend. Or to open their eyes to what the real Democrat agenda is. Most don’t even try. To his credit McCain did try when he brought up Joe the Plumber. Romney tried to make the 2012 election about competence.

    Gerald A (d65c67)

  150. that’s a very very good point Mr. A

    i wonder if that was what Mitt thought Ryan could deliver

    happyfeet (831175)

  151. Kevin M.- A man loved by his troops is called a leader.

    mg (31009b)

  152. Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/31/2015 @ 12:14 pm

    “Half-cocked” is better than “no cocked”.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  153. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/31/2015 @ 11:32 am

    Doc, I think Gov. Walker is the best thing that’s happened to the GOP from the Upper Mid-West since Harold Stassen, and probably has a brighter future too.
    All-in-all, I’ve been quite impressed with what he’s done, though I’m sure I could find things to disagree with – as you can with virtually any politician.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  154. It’s interesting. Folks…just…can’t…help…it.

    They must trash people even after they are no longer candidates.

    It’s all sociopathically personal with people these days. And Democrats smile, because the Right is doing their work for them.

    For free.

    But we all pay, if you see what I mean.

    Simon Jester (4299be)

  155. I never read the LA Times, but I’m at my brothers temporarily, glanced at the opinion page for shits and giggles.

    The page today is lamenting the fact that global warming will never be solved until we solve the overpopulation problem.

    Malthus must be a demon possessing minds of millions to believe this garbage – his ghost must be smiling.

    Steve Malynn (885b2a)

  156. 141. Toward the end in 2012 I too believed Willard had a good chance of winning. In retrospect he lost pretty badly for a number of reasons an election versus a deeply unpopular incumbent.

    As has been maintained many times above the betrayal comes in not bringing in the base.

    Convincing you appears above our collective pay grade and only you can discover the cause.

    DNF (00dbcc)

  157. 156. They, who might they be?

    DNF (00dbcc)

  158. I think that the “repub establishment” made a mistake in not showing more respect for the views of those who considered themselves “Tea Party” members. I can understand politicians not wanting to throw their lot in completely with an amorphous group with little leadership or predictability, but I think they could have shown much more respect for the concerns voiced by the Tea Party rather than making them feel ignored.
    Once you feel ignored, you either give up and resign yourself to being ignored,
    or you make a fuss.
    People were and are fed up, they don’t want to be ignored.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  159. well it’s a pattern going back to the 60s, MD, they sneered at goldwater, even helped sabotage his campaign, they barely tolerated Nixon, willing to drive the kudgel into him, and it took a perfect storm to accept Reagan,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  160. maybe having recently seen ‘Sons of Liberty’ sparked some interest in this:

    http://conservatives4palin.com/2015/01/gov-sarah-palin-tired-government-gone-wild-heres-can.html

    narciso (ee1f88)

  161. with that background, narciso, one would think the repub establishment would realize they are alienating a significant group,
    but then again, they may figure they won elections with Nixon, GHWB, and GWB without them, so who needs them.
    But GWB did get a lot of support from conservatives, esp. social conservatives (Amish for traditional marriage helped in Ohio) and pro-military (anybody but John F Kerry)

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  162. Like Adam said when Eve asked “Do you love me?”, I think both parties take a “Who else?” attitude towards their core constituencies. Taking them for granted because they’re the more palatable choice.

    nk (dbc370)

  163. but in the end I still couldn’t vote for him

    Not even to stop Obama? This is how we fail.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  164. I don’t think there’s any candidate, Pikachu doesn’t have deep contempt for,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  165. A man loved by his troops is called a leader.

    That does not mean that all men loved by their troops should be president. There is a difference between leaders of men and leaders of nations. Mainly in that mistakes have greater costs. In a national leader I wasn someone calm and not inclined to act without thinking. I soured on Gingrich in 2012 over this.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  166. 130. 131. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/31/2015 @ 9:17 am

    See Nehemiah, who knew enough to keep working and tell his detractors he was too busy getting things accomplished.

    I’ll leave the exact reference to Sammy, but I imagine he won’t see this until __ after sundown tonight? tomorrow?

    I wouldn’t have recognized the reference anyway and the refeernce (Nehemiah 6:2-3) doesn’t fit with this idea anyway, as Nehemiah didn’t go because he thought they wanted to do him harm

    Going to meet a detractor (if that’s the only problem) asking them to come, is a good thing – at least Moses did this with Datan and Aviram (Numbers: 16:12)

    What I would have thought about in the case of Nehemiah is how they protected themselves s with weapons and didn’t even take off their clothes at night. (Nehemiah 4:12, and 17)

    http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt35b04.htm

    12. and the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the horn was by me.

    17.So neither I, nor my brethren, nor my servants, nor the men of the guard that followed me, none of us put off our clothes, every one that went to the water had his weapon.

    Sammy Finkelman (e806a6)

  167. re #130: at least one hour after Saturday night sundown.
    I don’t understand the Nechamia reference, who was convinced they were going to kill him so he just
    used a handy excuse.
    Not to say he wasn’t practical, I believe he convinced Ezra that the Jews be allowed to arm themselves on the Sabbath without provocation.

    oh, sorry Sammy.

    seeRpea (9a7f2e)

  168. So, we see that the Republican condition is not ameliorable.

    Johnny can’t learn nor can Shlomo.

    DNF (41f71b)

  169. Doh! The Fourth Reich was going to have as much success bringing Europe under its domination through mercantilism as the Third had through warfare.

    nk (dbc370)

  170. And, the Greeks were the first to defeat, d-e-f-e-a-t, an Axis power that time too. Wiped out Mussolini’s whole army and made him irrelevant for the remainder of the war.

    (There’s also Hitler’s speech in the Reichstag, 4/5/1941: “For reasons of historical necessity I have to admit that out of all the adversaries who have confronted us The Greeks fought
    with bold courage and highest disregard of death.” –recorded by Herman Rauschning as he did with all Hitler’s speeches, and mentioned in his book “Hitler Speaks: A Series Of Political Conversations With Adolf Hitler On His Real Aims”)

    nk (dbc370)

  171. Kevin M.:

    141.My question was more “why are the others a betrayal?”

    Because each group feels their views represent the majority of the Party, so nominating someone who doesn’t hold those views is a betrayal of their (and, hence, the Party’s) values.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  172. straining past the cave wall:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/the_administrations_epidemic_speech_tic_.html

    we’ve hard two rounds of blanc mange candidates who haven’t accomplished the task, how about a meatier stew next time,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  173. 172. This intuition of yours hits at the crux of the matter; Nietzsche’s disavowal that truth is knowable enables the Will to Power, magical thinking uber alles.

    Man can remake himself and reality in his image, whatever he chooses.

    Germany has the ambition, the know how, the discipline to export to the world, let us create the greatest economy on those broad shoulders and put a Porsche on every street in Lisbon.

    What could go wrong?

    Like maybe there’s a limited market for almonds and Porto?

    DNF (41f71b)

  174. 122. …The problem isn’t is that self-interested capitalists socialists are prone to give in to their vulgar instincts–lust for money and power and all they afford–the problem is also not using the few brains God gave them.

    DNF (00dbcc) — 1/31/2015 @ 7:53 am

    I had to fix that for you. The problem isn’t capitalists. We have very few of them. And I’m not just talking about the socialists running the government. It’s also all the rent-seekers on Wall Street or running large businesses lobbying the socialists in government for carve outs and to stamp out any last remaining vestiges of capitalism. So they don’t need to face competition.

    The PPACA had nothing to do with providing anyone with health care, as we are seeing now as the middle class forgoes seeking medical treatment because of their new, ridiculously high deductibles.

    But it had a lot to do with the socialists in business getting a bunch of good deals from government. Such as making hiring new people prohibitively expensive beyond a certain number of employees. Thus ensuring companies that might have grown to challenge the big corporations, can’t. There were a number of provisions in that bill that are OK for large corporations with economies of scale, but make operations prohibitively expensive for smaller up and coming companies. And those large companies can hire lobbyists and get those; small companies don’t have lobbyists.

    These government cronies are anything but capitalists. If they were there wouldn’t be a revolving door between the Obama administration and Goldman Sachs. Capitalists aren’t the problem. We have very few of them. Which is why we don’t have free-market capitalism, and haven’t for about a century.

    We do have a lot of self-interested socialists prone to giving into their vulgar lust for money and power, though, like that grifter family from Arkansas. And lots of like minded socialists willing to pay them hundreds of thousands of dollars a pop for doing absolutely nothing except giving those rent-seekers access.

    Steve57 (a04df5)

  175. Different strain of the Hellene, the foreign minister wanted Walesa jailed for gosh sakes,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  176. 175. The little old lady is a freaking genius.

    DNF (41f71b)

  177. 169. seeRpea (9a7f2e) — 1/31/2015 @ 9:56 pm

    I don’t understand the Nechamia reference, who was convinced they were going to kill him so he just used a handy excuse.

    It’s not he same thing as Md talked about in #130, where his idea is not to be diverted from work or what he needs to do by a useless meeting. In the case of Nehemiah, this was an excuse. Where is that really? I need to think of some exampe, if there is any.

    I believe he convinced Ezra that the Jews be allowed to arm themselves on the Sabbath without provocation.

    That seems to have been an issue in the time of the Macabees.

    n the time of Nehemiah it wouldn’t have been an issue, because I think most of the prohibition of carrying was only instituted by Nehemiah in the first place! Prior to Nehemiah there was a prohibition of buying and selling on the Shabbos, instituted by the propehets during the late first temple period (cf: Isaiah 58:13) because it not actually a Biblical violation, but only it destroys the spirit of Shabbos, and in that case, attention is not taken away from everyday matters, and a person is always worrying and thinnking and pressed for time. Nehemiah 10:31 mentions how the people of the ;land were trying to buy and sell food and other things to Jews (in Jerusalem) on Shabbos and they wouldn’t buy. This might mean Jes too. In Nehemiah 13:15-18 he mentions how, and he is talking about Jews there, Jews from Judea, that is the neighboring area outside Jerusalem, used to break the Shabbos in various ways – therefore it has to be talking about Jews, and furthermore he distinguishes thjem from men of Tyre – and he admonished them selling..but notably, not for carrying, although it could be interpreted both ways, maybe that’s just the final step.

    http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt35b13.htm

    In those days saw I in Judah some treading winepresses on the sabbath, and bringing in heaps of corn, and lading asses therewith; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day; and I forewarned them in the day wherein they sold victuals.

    And then later on after he gave orders that the gates by locked during the day on Shabbos they then used to wait outside until the Shabbos was over, until he threatened to use his governmental powers against them.

    The thing that is known is that most of the prohibition against carrying on the Shabbos is a Rabbinical prohibition, which is then countered by an “Eruv” – they instituted both. The Biblical prohibition applies only to a real “Reshus Harrabaim” (permission for many) of which an example of a desert – a place that belongs to no individual or person or small group, but there, there is a Biblical prohibition even of walking 2,000 amos (approximately a kilometer) I think the Mishnah , which devotes a lot of space to carrying, looks like it treats it as Biblical, yet further study reveals that in most practical cases, it is not. I really have to examine all of this more closely. They don’t say ever it is Biblical, and maybe there’s not even any hint.

    So for one reason or another, not prohibiting in the first place or an eruv, holding weapons on Shabbos would not have been an issue at all in the time of Nehemiah.

    Sammy Finkelman (e806a6)

  178. See what I mean?

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/06/21/sources-nbc-not-concerned-about-chelsea-clintons-alleged-overpriced-salary/

    Chelsea Clinton’s contract as an NBC “special correspondent” has come under intense public questioning given that she hasn’t been featured on-air since January despite being on a $600,000 annual salary deal, as reported by Politico.

    But according to a well-placed media insider, the network higher-ups are hardly perturbed by the high price tag for little TV time.

    “This is a business and when you are the daughter of a former president, it is not the same as everyone else’s contracts. They have information and can call up anybody – they are used for their resources. They aren’t hiring Chelsea because she is a brilliant [journalist],” a source told FOX411. “The company thought it was worth it, the money loss is chopped liver to them. It’s a competitive media market, and they think it was worth it…”

    Two problems. It isn’t a competitive media environment. And the LHMFM are doing everything they can to keep it that way, and if they can make it less competitive. And Chelsea doesn’t have any information, and she can’t call up “anybody.” She can call up mommy and daddy.

    So this is a pay-off, nothing more. Just like those companies and universities don’t agree to a $250k price tag for one of Hillary!’s speeches because they think she’ll have anything intelligent to say.

    This is vulgar. And it has nothing to do with capitalism.

    Steve57 (a04df5)

  179. Self-banned commenter Art Deco said it a couple of months ago, drawing the comparison to banana republics: “It is the job of the first lady to launder the graft.” I guess the first daughter too.

    nk (dbc370)

  180. 174. Prominent to this overarching hubris:

    http://biblehub.com/psalms/131-1.htm

    People rebel against the God who did not gift them for a particular purpose.

    Lord, I see by the evidence of my own eyes and from the reports of my fellows, Your beloved, that I am an unpresentable member of the Body and shall cover myself in public lest my nakedness expose an ungrateful arrogance against Thou my Redeemer.

    Not a bit of it.

    DNF (41f71b)

  181. despite being on a $600,000 annual salary deal, as reported by Politico.

    Ahh, nothing better than being on the gravy train of the limousine liberals and the champagne socialists (hello, George Soros!, etc). How do I get a ticket, how do I get aboard?

    The way things are progressing (or regressing), the distinction between those two camps is getting harder to discern, although everyone else (eg, ailing middle class) is getting more and more — as they say — screwed.

    Good times!

    BTW, the Drudgereport today has a link to an opinion piece in a British paper about the way that Israel’s Netanyahu is becoming increasingly polarized from the guy in the White House. The writer oozes his disapproval and notes that even Republicans and Fox News aren’t happy with Israel’s president. If such an assessment is accurate (and also a sign of how pathetically misguided things are turning out), there’s something oddly Biblical — very dark — about a situation where diabolical Iran is evoking more sympathy (or at least less disdain) than Israel.

    This current era feels like being in the middle of a car crash in slow motion.

    Mark (c160ec)

  182. The NYT has corrected its agitprop to acknowledge Bibi accepted Boehner’s invitation only after the WH had been notified.

    So, so sorry.

    DNF (b596db)

  183. I’m shocked, they would omit this, as I pointed out on another blog, Bibi is protesting this misbegotten deal, which should have never seen the light of day.

    narciso (ee1f88)

  184. That’s beyond terrible. No matter how many times I say nothing Obama does will surprise me, he still finds a way to surprise me.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  185. if this doesn’t cover the spirit of the age:

    http://biblehub.com/romans/1-21.htm

    now is Wallace merely a fool, he was among those taken in, at Fox,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  186. narciso @186, remember, there are layers and layers of editors at the LHMFM like the NYT.

    That’s why they’re so much better at keeping their facts straight than bloggers sitting around in their pajamas.

    Steve57 (a04df5)

  187. So that’s where editors come from.

    nk (dbc370)

  188. Actually, narciso, I think this also captures the spirit of the age.

    http://biblehub.com/luke/18-11.htm

    10″Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people–robbers, evildoers, adulterers–or even like this tax collector.

    But then the left edits out the rest of the parable in their new lite version of the Bible; now with half the commandments! So they never get around to which of the two men justified themselves, and what happens to those who stand in the temple exalting themselves while they pray loudly.

    I was thinking about this because just now on Town Hall Journal Hugh Hewitt was interviewing John Kasich on his Medicaid expansion in Ohio. And when conservatives ask him about what he was thinking he gives them a lecture about certain verses in Mark about feeding the hungry and clothing the naked.

    Like government programs are good at that. The left advances those programs because results don’t matter, just demonstrating their good intentions. In other words, so they can exalt themselves.

    I really don’t need to hear someone posturing as a conservative exalt himself, mutilating the Bible as he demonstrates he’s not a theologian. More importantly and of immediate practical concern, Kasich has adopted the left’s premises hook, line and sinker. So many Republicans have. Which is why I can’t vote for them anymore.

    Steve57 (a04df5)

  189. Walker wins while rejecting the left’s attempts to set the terms of the debate.

    Steve57 (a04df5)

  190. 191. And perhaps the least authenticated story in John’s gospel:

    “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” Never appears with it’s conclusion.

    “Neither do I condemn you. Now leave your life of sin.”

    DNF (b596db)

  191. I always thought it was, “Mom! I didn’t mean you! Besides, women are not allowed at stonings!”

    nk (dbc370)

  192. Well Washington did make and sell rye.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/02/01/obama-flubs-george-washington-lived-in-the-white-house/

    Gay crack whore renegade muzzies don’t need no history.

    DNF (a1eb9d)


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