State Deptartment: Religion Had Nothing To Do With Execution Of Japanese Citizen By ISIS
[Guest post by Dana]
As we have already observed, the White House has steadfastly refused to use the “I” word. This in spite of other world leaders citing “radical Islam” as being linked to the current wave of terrorist attacks throughout the world as well as the continuing executions by the Islamic State.
This weekend, in yet another act by a member of the Washington Theater of the Absurd, a top State Dept. official claimed there was “nothing religious” about the execution of a Japanese citizen held hostage by ISIS. Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs Rick Stengel made the comment as he condemned the execution of Haruna Yukawa:
Brutal criminal murder of Japanese citizen #Haruna Yukawa by the terrorist group #Daesh. Nothing religious about it.
— Rick Stengel (@stengel) January 24, 2015
Of course Stengel is following the lead of the White House. After the attacks in France, the White House claimed it would be “inaccurate” to use the phrase “radical Islam” with regard to terrorists.
This weekend at Davos, Kerry again pushed the company line, explaining that by using “radical Islam” instead of “violent extremism” the barbarians might get mad at us:
“We have to keep our heads,” Kerry said. “The biggest error we could make would be to blame Muslims for crimes…that their faith utterly rejects,” he added.
“We will certainly not defeat our foes by vilifying potential partners,” the top U.S. diplomat said. “We may very well fuel the very fires that we want to put out.”
Kerry referred to the terrorists as “nothing more than a form of criminal anarchy–nihilism, which illegitimately claims an ideological and religious foundation.”
Kerry said it is not appropriate to use terminology referring to Islam because the terrorists are ignorant individuals with ulterior motives that distort the religion.
As a counterpoint to the administration’s careful avoidance of certain terminology, former Wall St. Journal reporter and Muslim Asra Q. Nomani, who has faced death threats for criticizing Islam and fighting for reforms, explains why it’s vital to frame the debate correctly. Nomani writes about the “ghairat brigade,” an organized group that powerfully bullies and publicly labels as “Islamophobes” any pundits, journalists, public figures and individuals who dare to criticize or challenge Islam. No one is too big or too small to be a target of this campaign. With a strong online presence and being “coordinated, frightening and persistent,” their goal is to protect the image of Islam before the world as well as force critics to back down and refrain from suggesting or discussing any links between Islam and jihad or terrorism. And it is chillingly effective:
Bullying this intense really works. Observant members of the flock are culturally conditioned to avoid shaming Islam, so publicly citing them for that sin often has the desired effect. Non-Muslims, meanwhile, are wary of being labeled “Islamophobic” bigots. So attacks against both groups succeed in quashing civil discourse. They cause governments, writers and experts to walk on eggshells, avoiding important discussion.
Silencing the critics.
Nomani points to Obama:
Next month, the Obama administration will hold a conference on challenging violent extremism, and President Obama last year called on Muslim communities to “explicitly, forcefully and consistently reject the ideology of al-Qaeda and ISIL.” But his administration isn’t framing extremism as a problem directly tied to Islam. Last month, by contrast, Egyptian President Abdel Fatah al-Sissi acknowledged that there was an ideology problem in Islam and said, “We need to revolutionize our religion.”
When I heard Sissi’s words, I thought: Finally.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (8e74ce) — 1/26/2015 @ 6:49 amone mustn’t take the Unites States government too seriously in these matters
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/26/2015 @ 6:57 amConsistent, they are.
And I hope they continue to be this consistent through Nov of 2016 and make it good and clear why the vast majority of candidates with D after their name are unqualified to hold public office.
Here’s question for the debates:
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:03 am“Do you think Nidal Hassan’s actions are best characterized as “workplace violence”?
If not, what did you say or do in protest when the Obama Admin labeled it so?”
*United* States government i mean
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:05 amThey are determined to ignore the most important aspect of the most serious foreign policy issue of the present age. Why is it dangerous for Iran to have the bomb ?
The Shia Islam obsession with the 12th Imam and the “Mahdi “ as explained by Robert Spencer.
This eschatological revenge fantasy would be of no concern to anyone but pious Shi’ites and religious anthropologists were it not for the element of Shi’ite tradition that requires that the earth be “filled with tyranny and violence” before the Twelfth Imam can return.
There is no requirement that non-Muslims must be responsible for that violence; Shi’ites filled with religious fervor, like the Ayatollah Khamenei and the mullahs behind him, could hasten the Twelfth Imam’s return and the consummation of all things by, say, launching a nuclear strike against Tel Aviv or some other Infidel outpost, knowing that by doing so they would almost certainly be provoking a retaliatory strike that would subject the Muslims in Iran to more defeat and repression than even the Shi’ites had previously suffered. That would be enough to bring the Twelfth Imam out of the well where he is said to be hiding.
Spencer is vilified for saying so but that is what Obama and Kerry and their acolytes are hiding from.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:10 amMike K,
Unsurprisingly, according to the article on Nomani, Robert Spencer is a target of the brigade.
Dana (d13846) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:16 amActing on the principle that a good offense is the best defense, the Islamist defense groups have adopted the term “islamaphobia” as a defense/propaganda measure. Oddly enough, they have borrowed the effective technique from the gay rights activists who have been using the term “homophobia” effectively since the mid 1980’s.
Bar Sinister (b48c12) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:17 amReligious belief is no more substantive than color preferences.
DNF (9bf551) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:20 amWell, as long as Christians don’t get the bomb, either. Have you read that last chapter in the Bible? Gracious!
nk (dbc370) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:26 am“We have to keep our heads”. Is that some kind of sick joke?
KGG (9915dd) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:30 amIs it possible that The One is a muslim who converted after to islam after being elected?
seeRpea (1d44c7) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:31 amDaddy was a Muslim; stepdaddy was a Muslim; he attended a madrassa as a child in Indonesia. He’s a cultural Muslim even if not a devout one.
nk (dbc370) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:38 amStengel shows why the Obama administration plucked him from reliable Democrat shill Time magazine. He is and always has been in lockstep.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:40 amHonestly, this is all explained by an academic mindset—the very strange oikophobia of disliking Western Civilization (old and boring) and adoring other cultures (new and kewl). More to the point, it is all about how the thinker feels about her or himself, not about facts.
Again, self-congratulation and narcissism uber alles.
These characters are nothing if not academic types in psychology. I hear stuff like this all the time.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:46 amObama lives in his own fantasy world and those who expect he’ll acknowledge even an occasional dose of reality will be sorely disappointed time and time again.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:50 amHe has a mid-west, pimp stroll that is sweet as molasses
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:53 amBut what really sets him apart is his penchant for surrounding himself with lickspittle asses
Oh yeah
You figure if the geniuses throughout our government, including in the US military, can claim the case of Nidal Hassan was “workplace violence,” there’s no telling just how Orwellian things can get.
Welcome to 1984.
Mark (c160ec) — 1/26/2015 @ 8:11 amnk (dbc370) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:26 am
nk, I know you said that tongue firmly planted in cheek,
but, my goodness, too many people (not knowledgeable in the NT) already think like that (that somehow Christians have a role in fomenting the violence in Revelation). The only role that Christians have in the violence in Revelation is being victims of it.
Which means I guess one can blame Christians for violence in the end times as much as one can blame Jews for the Holocaust, which I guess some people manage to do.
Simon and others, it is indeed an illustration of the charge that “claiming to be wise, they became fools”. The first thing any “objective scientific person” needs to do is observe, really observe what is there, not observe through pre-conceived notions. It doesn’t take much observing to understand that there are many people perpetrating violence who think and say they are doing it because of Islam with plenty of straightforward argument from the Koran to back them up.
Who am I to tell them that their Koran doesn’t really say what they think it says when it looks like it says it.
All of the nonsense just gets in the way of the observation that of course not all who call themselves Muslims are jihadists (yes, yes, I know, then you get into what percentages and how can you tell, etc., etc.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/26/2015 @ 8:34 am“Revelation” is Gog and Magog?
seeRpea (1d44c7) — 1/26/2015 @ 8:47 amMost of the time at the conference will be spent discussing violent environmental extremism, or something. If Islam is not linked to the terrorist attacks and violence being committed, why would Obama bother warning Muslim communities not to embrace the ideologies of ISIL and al-Qaeda, in whose name the many of the acts are committed. Besides, I thought Obama crushed al-Qaeda back in 2012.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/26/2015 @ 8:57 amJayvee President
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/26/2015 @ 8:58 amseeRpea – Yes, the last book in the NT is commonly referred to as simply “Revelation” by most Protestants, though I think some branches of the Christian church refer to it as the Apocalypse, being in the Greek.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 1/26/2015 @ 9:03 am“Reality is that which does not go away when you stop believing in it.” — P.K. Dick
mojo (5c8ea5) — 1/26/2015 @ 9:18 amThe jihadis supposedly hate the term “Daesh”, so I thought that was enough reason to use it frequently.
No I wonder if this wasn’t just another fabrication by the WH Spin Machine.
Out of the billion muslims, there are 100M or more who think the Koran and the Prophet tell them to wage a worldwide war against the infidels, The Great Satan, and the Little Satan (Israel).
Others have had the “wage war, and “avenge” scriptures taught to them and although they may not participate directly in jihad, the believe that the jihadis are operating in accordance with Koran.
Outside the western influence, the entire population of some nations seem almost unanimous that the Jews must be exterminated.
In the Christian Bible, the end of the story is this huge swirling mess of a battle that is portrayed as ongoing since before the creation of man. The imagery of Dragon poised to kill Jesus at birth is the story of King Herod who rages into infanticide at the perceived threat to his throne; a raging battle a battle with foes coming in from all sides and the valley runs with blood so deep that Jesus’ robe is bloody from beneath his knees to his feet.
All this fur, yet no directive to christians to go out and kick this battle off.
No orders to go back to the old testament and live life likes it is 2000 BC but with modern weapons.
No orders to butcher, maim and behead.
A wise man once told me that people who read the bible need to start at the front of the book and read to the end rather than skipping ahead. He called the bible a love story set in the middle of a great battle.
Islam is a dangerous religion because their prophet demands crazy things and it is heresy to deny any of them. There is no Jesus to come and take on the so called scholars who advocate BS due to their rigidity.
steveg (794291) — 1/26/2015 @ 9:23 amFreedom never comes from Islam. Islam is captive to its laws and The WH is full of fools
up with the new boss, same as the old boss
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/saudi-arabias-new-king-helped-fund-radical-terror-groups/
narciso (ee1f88) — 1/26/2015 @ 10:29 amAt some point ISIS, now Islamic State (IS) will rename itself RIS (Radical Islamic State) just to see the State Department get tongue tied when identifying it.
Corky Boyd (5a6d03) — 1/26/2015 @ 11:00 amIf only someone in the administration would read history. We look at the appeasers before WWII and we characterize them as fools and idiots because things worked out very badly for them. But at the time, they thought they were the smartest people on the earth, and all their [dis]armament treaties and their willingness to sacrifice small countries to Germany’s territorial ambitions were very fashionable. It was only in 1938 that their foolishness became apparent to them, and I’m pretty sure Chamberlain’s “peace in our time” was a desperate attempt to buy time to rearm. But by then it was too late.
These silly men in the WH think that by having a foreign policy of “don’t do stupid things” that they are innoculated from stupidity. Instead they are walking down the same path to disaster.
During Reagan’s term the left was full of apologists who made public statements that we must talk politely, and leave the stick at home. When the Soviets experimented with biological warfare weapons in remote regions of Laos, prominent members of the Harvard faculty said that the tribesmen had died from terror over bee pollen. The Soviets, after all, were signatories to treaties that prohibited such activities. These same types shuddered in fear when Reagan upped the ante and began building a missile defence. And they could see no benefit in calling the Soviet Union an “evil empire.” Ditto “tear down this wall.” They saw nothing wrong with Carter’s fumbles. It was only after the fall of the Soviet Union that the left’s beliefs were shown to be completely illusory. A city in Siberia was found to be the home of a huge biowarfare facility employing tens of thousands, and the vaunted Soviet technology was like lip stick on a pig.
So you really don’t have to go very far back in time to see how successful foreign policy is conducted. But you need to reject the advice of those who look to their own fears and ignorance as a compass to utopia.
bobathome (f208b6) — 1/26/2015 @ 11:04 amLook at that!
He used a name different from ISIL!
Maybe he was forced to use Daesh because that was a hashtag.
He also used the word terrorist. The BBC does not.
Maybe somebody can get them to use the term ISIS as well, or would that require a special dispensation from the president?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 1/26/2015 @ 11:46 amHezbollah, also does not call them Moslems, but heretics:
Yaalon: Israel Will Work to Depose Assad if Attacked from Syria
I suppose you could interpret that as meaning they were heretics because they were Sunnis.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 1/26/2015 @ 11:57 am27. bobathome (f208b6) — 1/26/2015 @ 11:04 am
It could be they are reading history.
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt imposed sanctions on Japan, and negotiations took place, and when Japan gave up on the negotiations, they attacked Pearl Harbor.
Maybe therefore, Obama does not want sanctions that are too tough.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 1/26/2015 @ 11:59 amsteveg (794291) — 1/26/2015 @ 9:23 am
You’re pulling that numbe rout of thin air. Things would look a lot different if was really 10%.
It’s actually a tiny, tiny minority, but the size of that tiny minority in increasing by some 20% a year (pulling a number out of thin air)
Others have had the “wage war, and “avenge” scriptures taught to them and although they may not participate directly in jihad, the believe that the jihadis are operating in accordance with Koran.
Outside the western influence, the entire population of some nations seem almost unanimous that the Jews must be exterminated.
In the Christian Bible, the end of the story is this huge swirling mess of a battle that is portrayed as ongoing since before the creation of man. The imagery of Dragon poised to kill Jesus at birth is the story of King Herod who rages into infanticide at the perceived threat to his throne; a raging battle a battle with foes coming in from all sides and the valley runs with blood so deep that Jesus’ robe is bloody from beneath his knees to his feet.
All this fur, yet no directive to christians to go out and kick this battle off.
No orders to go back to the old testament and live life likes it is 2000 BC but with modern weapons.
No orders to butcher, maim and behead.
A wise man once told me that people who read the bible need to start at the front of the book and read to the end rather than skipping ahead. He called the bible a love story set in the middle of a great battle.
Islam is a dangerous religion because their prophet demands crazy things and it is heresy to deny any of them. There is no Jesus to come and take on the so called scholars who advocate BS due to their rigidity.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 1/26/2015 @ 12:36 pmFreedom never comes from Islam. Islam is captive to its laws and The WH is full of fools
Only “born again Muslims” and some converts. The Kouachi brotehrds were that kind of Moslem, who ten years ago belonged to asmall mosque run by someone who had failed to take over a bigger one.
Usually such people want to do more.
This is stronger, but even in Jordan it is not anywhere close to 100%.
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/jordanian-public-keen-on-hamas-but-not-isis-or-the-muslim-brotherhood
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 1/26/2015 @ 12:46 pm#30: Sammy,
Maybe therefore, Obama does not want sanctions that are too tough.
In other words, Obola wants the appearance of sanctions, without the potential effectiveness of sanctions.
If it croaks like a toad, hops like a toad, and looks like a toad, don’t kiss it. It is a toad.
Appeasement in the 30’s was rationalized in all sorts of ways too. Fundamentally they hoped that there would never be another war, and they based all their actions on that hope. We have an administration whose only commitment is to “hope”. The purpose of this administration’s sanctions is to appear to be doing something right up to the moment where the USGS seismometers go off the scale in the neighborhood of Iran. At that point, we can begin hoping that Iran doesn’t start producing these things on an industrial scale. Hope begets hope.
bobathome (f208b6) — 1/26/2015 @ 1:18 pmbobathome (f208b6) — 1/26/2015 @ 1:18 pm
I had the thought they are waiting for Ali Khamenei to die, or run out of money.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 1/26/2015 @ 1:26 pmI think something’s being overlooked here.
Richard Aubrey (f6d8de) — 1/26/2015 @ 2:41 pmConservatives have lambasted Bush for doing the religion-of-peace thing from the get-go, and never deviating. Obama is doing the same thing. This brings up a question. You might think Bush is a really bright guy and Obama is a dunce. Or you may think the reverse.
Which brings up the problem: If a dunce and a genius are both doing the same thing, maybe there’s something we’ve overlooked. Ever think of that?
Which is, as I’ve heard, our Muslim allies–stretching the word–such as Pakistan, SA, the Gulf States, Egypt, Indonesia, certain neighborhoods in Europe, all, when polled, are terrifyingly high and sometimes majority in favor of shariah, suicide bombing, force to spread the Faith, death for mocking the faith or the prophet, death for apostasy, adultery, for being gay.
We cannot, according to the dunce and the genius both, afford to alienate whole populations while their governments are enough trouble, and are having enough trouble, being more or less on our side.
Sammy, you are right.
I used some very much overly broad sweeping statements, used words like unanimous.
That pool you are reading doesn’t ask a question about exterminating jews?
steveg (794291) — 1/26/2015 @ 2:48 pmJordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt are the least likely nations to provoke a war with Israel.
In Syria, even the Christians don’t like the Jews.
I think that if a pollster was to ask muslim people in the middle east and southwest asia a question like: If Hezbollah was to start a war to take back Palestine and kill all the jews, whose side would you be on Jews, Hezbollah, Neutral, Or screw them both.
I think a huge majority would pick Hezbollah and then Screw them both. Next would be neutral
steveg (794291) — 1/26/2015 @ 2:48 pm
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/26/2015 @ 3:04 pm14. Yeah, but academics tend to know stuff about something or other.
DNF (900924) — 1/26/2015 @ 3:34 pm31. “You’re pulling that number out of thin air”.
As opposed to someone’s well-aired nether regions. How risible.
I ought to tap out a ream of dreck to punish the bastard.
DNF (900924) — 1/26/2015 @ 3:43 pmre #35: hmm, beginning of the century i felt the same way as then President Bush.
seeRpea (181740) — 1/26/2015 @ 4:13 pmBut not now, not for a few years. So maybe GB2 does not feel the same way either.
Or at the least does not insist that Islam has nothing to do with the terrorists.
re #30: Sammy, the Japanese always planned to attach Pearl Harbor once they hit China.
seeRpea (181740) — 1/26/2015 @ 4:14 pm#40: seeRpea, it is an extraordinary act of faith to think any modern day politician is a “bright guy.” I think Richard was creating a strawman when he said:
You might think Bush is a really bright guy and Obama is a dunce. Or you may think the reverse.
I agree with Richard’s subsequent point (islam is a religion of pirates and brigands,) but I don’t think you need his strawmen to get there. And Richard’s conclusion, based on these strawmen, that we cannot afford to alienate whole populations is baloney. If these populations insist on jihad and submission of the West, then we cannot afford to pretend that we can strike a deal that will be satisfactory for both parties. We faced the same thing with international communism, and we did not submit. We prevailed.
I think Richard is giving us a look into his real beliefs. I take it as a matter of fact that most “conservatives” don’t idolize their candidates. In fact, we have rather mundane expectations of them. About all they have to do is convince us that they have core beliefs that center on ideas like duty, honor and country, that they have enough life experience to have read books like Sowell’s, that they appreciate the exceptional character of our Constitution and our rule of law, and we hope that when everything goes sideways, they’ll make decisions based on those beliefs. To put Obola in the same camp with either Bush is sacrilege. Obola is a feckless narcissist who can read a teleprompter. He likes golf, and people like Chris Christie and John Boehner want to be seen with him. But beyond that, he is Clint Eastwood’s empty chair. Richard’s assumption that we idolize our leaders is typical of the cultists who populate the progressive side of the debate.
bobathome (f208b6) — 1/26/2015 @ 5:27 pmBobatHome and SeaRpea.
Richard Aubrey (f6d8de) — 1/26/2015 @ 6:25 pmIt’s not how you feel. It’s not how Bush and Obama feel. It’s what happens when one–you pick it–is a dunce and the other is a genius. According to various partisans. They come to the same conclusion. How likely is that? Which is that, to keep various nations on side, we have to pretend.
I recall a fictional character in a Poul Anderson novel expressing outrage and feeling misled when Russia pushed the Norks into South Korea in the Korean War. “Russia, which my beloved FDR had convinced us was a town-meeting democracy.” FDR knew better.
Now, the nations whose populations believe this stuff may be full of people who believe this stuff but the nations are not actively fighting us and may even be helping us–if only “the enemy of my….”in some way. Maybe we’ll have to deal with them later. But there’s no sense getting too much on our plate when, perhaps, we have bases in one place or another.
Granting both the Shrub and the SCOAMF the full benefit of the doubt, we don’t want the oil rich regimes to fall, corrupt and despicable as they are, because we have no way to prevent the terrorists from taking over the oil wealth and using it to finance their war against us. As we are finding out in Iraq and Libya.
nk (dbc370) — 1/26/2015 @ 6:30 pmre #43: you didn’t bother reading my post or are so closed minded that you refuse to comprehend my point. Looks like bob@home was correct.
seeRpea (1d44c7) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:11 pmRichard Aubrey (f6d8de) — 1/26/2015 @ 6:25 pm
FDR didn’t really do that. Not even Henry Wallace did that.
Now maybe there were periodocals that sort of almost hinted at that, which were never contradicted at the time. Maybe TIME Magazine acted that way (Whittaker Chambers was fighting that)
The roblem with extracting things from that story is that you are reading it half a century or more later, and you don’t know all the other things that people then knew.
That’s actually an ironic, somewhat exaggerated comment by the fictional character. It’s meant to come across as a surprising statement. It had been maybe treated as a decent government during the war.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:23 pmIt’s what happens when one–you pick it–is a dunce and the other is a genius. According to various partisans. They come to the same conclusion. How likely is that? Which is that, to keep various nations on side, we have to pretend.
It’s the squish-squish, love-love, hugs-hugs side of both George W Bush (“compassionate conservatism!”) and — most certainly — Barry Obama that is at the core of the rationalization and political-correct-berserk-ness concept of “religion of peace.” That includes liberal-drenched sentiment that the big, evil, imperialistic Western World must give a million benefits of the doubt to the Third World, Emerging World, Second World, or (closer to home) city of Detroit, Michigan or Ferguson, Missouri, etc, etc, and any Muslims (or GLBTers, or AGW fear-mongers) interspersed thereof.
Mark (c160ec) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:28 pmDisculpe Ud. If already linked:
http://www.thetower.org/1542-journalist-prosecutor-tied-rouhani-to-argentina-terror-attack/
DNF (900924) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:36 pm41.re #30: seeRpea (181740) — 1/26/2015 @ 4:14 pm
Wait, wait.
The attack on Pearl Harbor was indeed part of a much bigger plan, but they were already in China. They had been in Manchuria since 1931 and in more of China since 1937. In fact they were already in Indochina. that’s when FDR put on aanctions and stopped sending them oil.
His condition for restoring it was that not only they stop new aggression but give up their previous conquests.
Japan then faced the choice of having to stop the war, or go after the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) where there was oil.
They figured that maybe the U.S. would get militarily involved, espedially since they also decided to attack the Phillipines, and so, to prevent that, they attacked the U.S. Pacific fleet in Pearl Harbor. It had the exact opposite effect.
Also, both the Japan and the U.S. thought battleships were important but actually it was aircraft carriers that were important.
Here is some people writing about the whole thing:
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/summary.cfm?q=905
Well, it would have meant giving up and reversing their entire foreign policy for the previous ten years. Japan wasn’t ready to surrender in 1941.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:46 pmThe Nisman case seems to be snowballing.
kishnevi (a5d1b9) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:49 pmhttp://www.timesofisrael.com/argentina-to-dissolve-intelligence-agency-after-prosecutors-death/
I seem to remember Rouhani’s connection to the bombing has been pointed out before.
48. So the negotiators really could be saying how can you promise you’ll lift sanctions, when Congress wants to impose more? Why will this work any better than the agreement with Argentina for immunity and to replace prosecution with a “truth commission” (except that it wouldn’t tell the truth either)
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:51 pmThe Nisman case isn’t really a locked room mystery. There was another door, and in fact a third door, where fingerpirnts were found.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/21/world/americas/ap-lt-argentina-prosecutor-killed.html
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/26/2015 @ 7:55 pmRichard Aubrey – I disagree that Bush and Obama were doing the same things although early on Bush tried to make it clear that the U.S. was not at war with Islam. Bush did make clear, however we were fighting Radical Islamists, militant jihadists, Islamofascists and he drew parallels between Radical Islam and communism and their oppression of people who disagreed with them. Overall, inapt comparison.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/26/2015 @ 8:04 pmJanuary 22:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/23/world/americas/argentina-cristina-kirchner-changes-position-on-alberto-nisman-death.html
She claimed that Nisman was maniplated into making accusations against her and then killed to make them look true.
Hey! You know who Ron Noble is?
The Assistant Secretary for Enforcement of the United States Department of the Treasury,1993-1996 (he had been kept n reserve and not actually taken over anything until after the Waco fire, if I remember correctly)
he was then named head of a “Waco Administrative Review Team” which produced a report on the ATF’s actions against the Branch Davidians leading to the Waco Siege.
Now that raid was all planned by Jay William Buford, Friend of Bill and head of the BATF in Little Rock, Arkansas, who probably murdered three of his own men on the day of the raid to make David Koresh look violent, and the raid certainly needed. But things didn’t goas planned, and Koresh was alive at the end of he day, because Buford hadn’t taken account of the new development of cellphones, and hewas able to communicate even though the phones had been isolated, and there was a ceasefire and Buford was also wounded.
Bill Clinton burned the compound down and murdered most of the Branch Davidians to cover that up.
Noble supervised the United States Secret Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the Office of Foreign Assets Control, and the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network. who was head of the Department’s
So it is no surprise to me he weould help cover up something else. But this means that Bill and Hillary Clinton want to protect Iran, or are willing to protect, Iran too.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/26/2015 @ 8:12 pm53. There are some similarities – it means both Bush and Obama were taking advice from the same people.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/26/2015 @ 8:14 pm“There are some similarities – it means both Bush and Obama were taking advice from the same people.”
Sammy – Are you saying Obama is taking advice from Dick Cheney and John Bolton?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/27/2015 @ 8:32 amseaRpea
Richard Aubrey (f6d8de) — 1/27/2015 @ 1:18 pmMissed again. Nothing about idolizing. Point is, two different presidents, viewed differently by two different cohorts of the electorate, come to the same conclusion. Two presidents presented by their parties, their supporters, and the media, as different as night and day.
They’re doing the same thing.
Which, I submit, is amazing. They’re pretending we’re not at war with Islam. Or, I suppose, it’s possible that Obama doesn’t know better….
And the reason is, we can’t afford to Libya all the nutcases out there at once. Not now. That will come. See Fernandez’ Three Conjectures.
“There are some similarities – it means both Bush and Obama were taking advice from the same people.”
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/27/2015 @ 8:32 am
No, the CIA, and maybe some lifers in other arts of the government. Cheney got Scooter Libby in trouble because he doubted the CIA. He wanted to know if that report about Saddam Hussein wanting to get uranium was correct.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/27/2015 @ 1:53 pm“There are some similarities”
Sammy – Let me try my hand at modifying your completely vacuous statement:
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/27/2015 @ 2:28 pmand the CIA ignored the DGSE, MI=6, BND, SVR, et al
narciso (ee1f88) — 1/27/2015 @ 2:35 pmMy life, my love, and and my lady is the sea, Mr. feets.
Oh, and a fast ship what’ll go in harm’s way.
Steve57 (a04df5) — 1/27/2015 @ 2:56 pm“There are some similarities – it means both Bush and Obama were taking advice from the same people.”
Risible commentary…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/27/2015 @ 3:20 pm“There are some similarities – it means both Bush and Obama were taking
advicemoney from the same people.”That’s better.
nk (dbc370) — 1/27/2015 @ 3:24 pmThey were both treating CAIR as the good Moslems, and that because somebody was giving them advice.
I don’t think either was taking money – it was the advisers who were taking money maybe.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/27/2015 @ 5:56 pmdaleyrocks amending what I said:
No disagreement with that.
It was Richard Aubrey @35 who noted hey had done the same thing, or close to it. He said even if you think one is a dunce, and the other is bright guy, regardless of which one you think is the dunce, the fact the bright guy was doing the same thing as the dunce must mean that maybe there’s something we’ve overlooked, and maybe it is the right thing to do. No it;s not, they were both taking the same bad advice from the same people about that.
Sammy Finkelman (e806a6) — 1/27/2015 @ 6:01 pmSammy,
Richard Aubrey (f6d8de) — 1/29/2015 @ 5:46 amPlease give us the up side of telling every Muslim in the world that we’re coming for them and we’re pissed.
Never tell anybody you’re going to kill him before you have done it.
nk (dbc370) — 1/29/2015 @ 5:48 amI think calling the Taliban armed insurgents instead of terrorists is a swell idea
JD (86a5eb) — 1/29/2015 @ 6:23 amjust don’t call em late for dinner!
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/29/2015 @ 6:28 am