A Muslim cleric is holding people hostage in a Sydney cafe. He has displayed a black Islamic flag in front of the cafe, and reportedly has demanded that the ISIS flag be delivered to the cafe.
Officials report that his motivations are unknown.
Sounds like a case for Sherlock Holmes! (H/t aunursa.)
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It’s a head-scratcher.
Patterico (9c670f) — 12/15/2014 @ 7:49 amDamned if you do, damned if you don’t. Call this guy a Muslim terrorist and that’s the message he wants to send too. Call him “just another nutcase”, you take away his “political” status but you are misleading the public.
nk (dbc370) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:02 amIt is either a publicity stunt or a guy who can not think straight. He is one man, apparently. Eventually, he will need to use the restroom, and either sleep or start thinking and moving in a muddled way. One hopes the hostages have sufficient initiative and muscle power to solve the situation themselves.
kishnevi (a5d1b9) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:08 amBTW, from what I know Australia has gun laws that Bloomberg can only dream about.
Police, politicians, and news readers can pretend to be confused about motive all they want, but no one is actually confused, not in the slightest. This is just another Islamic fanatic, in a long list of Islamic fanatics, demonstrating his personal commitment to the strict tenants of an abhorrent and bastard religion.
We’ve seen it before, there’s nothing new, it’s yet another example of monkey see – monkey do at work on the twisted mind of a 13th century halfwit. Another bloodthirsty barbarian dupe making a blood offering to a malignant gutter god in exchange for the illusion of a self-indulgent afterlife.
The world would be a better place if these animals were exterminated. The sooner the better.
ropelight (8fc677) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:13 amIt’s workplace violence.
I’m laughing at the contortions the media is going through to keep from
calling this guy either a muslim and/or a terrorist.
Next thing you know they’ll try to make him out to be a TEA partier.
jakee308 (f0aa61) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:17 amIt’s over. Just heard it on SeeBS radio.
nk (dbc370) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:26 amIt’s obvious this individual has something against chocolate.
navyvet (66f9d3) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:28 amjust another moose slime terrorist nutcase…
redc1c4 (589173) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:34 amthe *other* mystery the MFM isn’t looking into is that this event is unpossible in Australia, because they outlawed all those icky guns years ago, and made people turn theirs in, except for a few that are very tightly controlled and registered…
so, this event is obviously a hoax.
đ
redc1c4 (589173) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:37 amThe apparent assailant is named Man Haron Monis:
The guy was already facing sexual assault and accessory to murder charges; he really had nothing to lose by this.
Which begs the question: if he was already out on bail, and then re-arrested after sexual abuse allegations emerged, why was he out of jail in he first place?
From initial reports, this sterling representative of the religion of peace has gone to his eternal reward, but at least one other person has been killed.
The Dana who reads the news (f6a568) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:37 amFoxNews has a couple of details not in Dana’s link.
kishnevi (3ebfe9) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:45 amhttp://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/12/15/sydney-siege-five-hostages-escape-police-contact-gunman/
Might be a good idea to deport mentally ill radical Iranian Islamists.
Of course, I denounce myself.
His motives are unknown.
Patricia (5fc097) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:50 amthe Jawas have the low down on his back story
suspected murderer, rapist & all around pervert: why was he out on the streets to begin with?
redc1c4 (589173) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:50 ami’d be livid is some stupid terrorist wouldn’t let me leave a coffee shop except my understanding is this one also carries a variety of tasty chockits
happyfeet (831175) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:57 amFor non-clickers the following is from Dana’s link at #10:
ropelight (8fc677) — 12/15/2014 @ 8:57 amthe hotairs are saying is all over
dead terrorist is dead
christmas is saved
happyfeet (831175) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:02 amOf course:
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2014/12/14/lindt-cafe-refused-halal-certified/
DNF (7b206c) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:14 amHere’s some ice for that, Jesper:
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomatic-Conference/Danish-ambassador-JPosts-Caroline-Glick-exchange-verbal-blows-over-EU-attitude-toward-Israel-384438
DNF (7b206c) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:18 amWasn’t there a an outcry from the Muslim clerics when Australia raised their terrorist alert status awhile back?
felipe (b5e0f4) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:36 amWell, listen, it is only “alleged”, according to that CBS News report in the second link, that he is holding hostages, and he is only apparently a gunman.
His motives must be even more uncertain, if indeed anything noteworthy is actually happening.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:36 amApparently it is all the work of one man, who has numerous criminal charges pending against him, the most serious of which is being complicit in the murder of his ex-wife.
Probably he decided things would be better for him, and he’d get some support from somewhere, if he was a terrorist.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:41 amI tell you what it is. It’s the damned Whig party!
CrustyB (69f730) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:58 amHe had recently converted from Shiite to Sunni Islam.
The question is, are there other people in his cult?
In the news: Israeli religious singers Benny Elbaz and his son Gad had a narrow escape. They left Sydneyâs Lindtâs CafĂ© only moments before it was under siege, and several minutes before all of their friends left after sitting there and hour and 15 minutes. They had to catch a plane to Singapore.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/15/2014 @ 10:13 amThat Iowahawk!
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/544351778427248640
SarahW (267b14) — 12/15/2014 @ 10:38 amWhere is your EMPATHY? H8rs!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/15/2014 @ 10:48 amSheikh Man Haron Monis can’t breathe.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/15/2014 @ 10:54 amone sad Persian cat
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/15/2014 @ 10:57 amputs a dhimmi on barbey
Religion of Peace
Mostly peaceful medieval rapey death cult.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/15/2014 @ 11:18 amOver A Thousand People Spent 10,000+ Hours Making This Christmas Song. It Will Give You Chills!
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2014/12/over-thousand-people-spent-10000-hours.html
Steve (d0ee10) — 12/15/2014 @ 11:34 amIf Elbaz was eating there, then presumably Lindt’s has a kashrut certification. Presumably they felt that halal certification was an unnecessary or impossible to maintain with kashrut certification, or that their Jewish clientele was more important than their Moslem clientele.
kishnevi (870883) — 12/15/2014 @ 11:35 amInfidel’s suck!
muslim (52039e) — 12/15/2014 @ 11:45 amthe picture of the hostages in the window with the flag of death?
#HandsUpDontShoot!
redc1c4 (589173) — 12/15/2014 @ 11:45 amWatson: “By Jove, Holmes, it looks like the work of those diabolical Mohammedans again.”
Holmes: “Watson, you dolt, don’t you realized this is the fiendish work of that notorious Papist, Professor Moriarity? He is obviously trying to make The Religion of Peace look bad to further his depraved plot to bring Christianity to the world. Notice the clever use of the ISIS flag to mislead the casual observer.”
Watson: “Holmes, my good man, you astound me!”
Holmes: “Quite.”
Orcadrvr (38828c) — 12/15/2014 @ 11:47 amThe Berlin-style food truck at the Chicago Christmas market had halal doner kebabs and currywurst. It was delicious, but I had thoughts of an upside-down calf bleeding out while I ate them.
carlitos (c24ed5) — 12/15/2014 @ 11:51 amwhat’s a Berlin-style food truck?
i asked the googles but they are not forthcoming
happyfeet (831175) — 12/15/2014 @ 11:54 amSo what pack was this lone wolf from?
crazy (cde091) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:00 pmzany iranian terrorist buffoon is zany
happyfeet (831175) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:02 pmMuslim wrote:
The multicultural Dana (f6a568) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:04 pmPoop! Hit the Enter button too soon!
Muslim wrote:
You, sir, are a h8ful h8ey h8er, and a heteronormativist to boot, and I denounce you, I thoroughly denounce you!
The multicultural Dana (f6a568) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:05 pmCarlitos….if that disturbed you, then you’d better also not eat kosher hot dogs. Or any kosher meat.
kishnevi (870883) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:05 pmMuslim wrote:
NTTAWWT
The very tolerant Dana (f6a568) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:07 pmI know that I tend to favor that portion of my customer base who pay their bills and then leave, which allows me to make some money as well as eventually close up and go home at the end of the night. As opposed to those who invade my place and one way or another require a police response to rid me of their presence.
Small business people are funny that way.
Steve57 (600c9e) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:07 pmNo, Dana, he is a cisheteronormatist!
You have proved to not know The Jargon, and therefore
I denounce you!
XD
kishnevi (870883) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:14 pmAll slaughtered animals are bled out, whether stunned first or not. Further, kosher and halal is a quick, deep cut through both jugulars and carotids and the trachea. Death is pretty quick. What you should think about when you eat halal is that the person who follows that religious stricture also follows an equally strong religious stricture: To wipe his behind, after defecating, not with toilet paper, but with his left hand (dipped in water if water is available).
nk (dbc370) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:15 pm44
I’ll have to ask my Muslim coworker about that. Using the left hand for that function goes way back, long before toilet paper or indoor plumbing, for that matter. It’s why we are used to using the right hand to shake hands, to put food in the mouth, etc. [Insert complaint from left handed people here.] We Jews are supposed to ritually wash our hands after using the facilities (and before prayer and eating bread). It is done in a different way, and after, the normal washing with soap. The only restriction on toilet paper is the need to prerip individual pieces prior to Sabbath or holy days, since ripping paper is not allowed on those days.
kishnevi (870883) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:24 pmPrivileged Ambidextrous Muslims squeeze teh Charmin…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:35 pmMore disturbing, if you’re in Canada, it’s a violation of human rights up there for a restaurant to require an employee to wash her (in this case) hands after using the bathroom. đ http://www.weightymatters.ca/2008/04/your-human-right-not-to-wash-your-hands.html
nk (dbc370) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:36 pmPrivileged Muslims love teh manicure.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:37 pmI feel so ashamed. đ
[slinking off to hide.]
The very chastened Dana (f6a568) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:39 pmAhab teh Arab… teh Shrieking Sheikh of the Burning Sands
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:41 pmkishnevi: does this mean that, if you neglect pre-ripping, you have to use — and therefore flush — the whole roll?
The non-Jewish Dana (f6a568) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:44 pmkishnevi wrote:
Sheryl Crow could not be reached for comment.
The snarky Dana (f6a568) — 12/15/2014 @ 12:47 pmAllah Akbar barak hussien obama.
muslim (52039e) — 12/15/2014 @ 1:01 pm52…
kishnevi (294553) — 12/15/2014 @ 1:49 pmNo. Use paper towels or napkins, and make sure it gets to the dumpster.
Or rip away in the confidence that only the Allseeing Eye will see, and that the Allseeing Eye is a forgiving kind of Eye.
There is no restriction on ripping paper. The restriction is on cutting to measure. Since the paper is perforated, that’s ecact cutting. I read other reasons, though.
Human dignity takes precedence, however.
Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/15/2014 @ 1:50 pmthe real reason to not patronize any place that advertizes halal products is that the money paid for certification eventually w*rks it’s way back to the usual suspects who encourage, incite and/or excuse terror attacks against civilization.
why support your enemies in their quest to kill or enslave you?
redc1c4 (589173) — 12/15/2014 @ 2:07 pmYou got your left hand
You got your right hand
The left hand’s diddlin’
While the right hand go to work
I said yo’ left hand diddlin’ now
While the right hand go to work
You got both hands
You got praying hands
They pray for no man
O. K…. Relax…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/15/2014 @ 2:14 pmAnd assume the position
Go into religious submission
Wash your hands three times A day
That stuff you wipe ain’t made of clay
Wipe your ass in the following way
wash your hands three times A day
terrorists lol
they’ve kinda peaked huh
happyfeet (831175) — 12/15/2014 @ 2:31 pmHello.
Denver Todd (5f001f) — 12/15/2014 @ 3:02 pmWhy didn’t he bring his own flag?
Denver Todd (5f001f) — 12/15/2014 @ 3:03 pmAll I know for sure is what I learned in the comments at Mother Jones.
“To all the right wing bigots that post here, this hostage taking has nothing to do with Islam, and everything to do with a mentally disturbed man. You can also shove the pathetic nonsense about gun control up your behinds when your “brains” are.”
Diagnosed from thousands of miles away. Who could argue with that?
Dejectedhead (4bfcf6) — 12/15/2014 @ 3:53 pmCommonwealth police seem to have taken leave of their senses.
askeptic (efcf22) — 12/15/2014 @ 4:05 pmWhat a bunch of mealy-mouth crap.
Or is this guy bucking for a job with Scotland Yard?
Well, we all know that Persians drink tea, so clearly he was a TEA Party, right-wing extremist type! Sara Palin and Ted Cruz must be to blame!
I am all in favor of gun control. I use BOTH HANDS!
WarEagle82 (b18ccf) — 12/15/2014 @ 4:06 pm#62: most of the smart people in the Empire died in Big Mistake #1.
the rest died in Big Mistake #2, leaving only the sick, the lame, and the lazy.
redc1c4 (a6e73d) — 12/15/2014 @ 5:55 pmIdentities of the victims have been released
kishnevi (3719b7) — 12/15/2014 @ 6:32 pmhttp://www.timesofisrael.com/cafe-manager-lawyer-identified-as-sydney-cafe-victims/
i had tea this year with a persian
it was … tasty tea … and all these different/similar cookies involving dates
but he made us watch all these videos of weddings in Iran, cause of he’s a videographer
it was very cringey cringey how tacky iranians are
cheesy cheesy tacky tacky no age difference too large
but tell you what they can put together a spread o tasty foozle
or maybe saffron rice just videos incredibly well
happyfeet (831175) — 12/15/2014 @ 6:53 pmI had to go to Sydney once. When I was going through passport inspection, the officer asked me if I had ever been convicted of any crime. I said, “No, sorry, I didn’t think that you still required that”.
nk (dbc370) — 12/15/2014 @ 6:57 pmIt’s got to be really frustrating for the Muslim terrorists. Originally they figured offing us infidels while shouting “Allahu Akhbar” would be enough of a clue. But no, western officialdom and the LHMFM just couldn’t discern what was motivating them. Perhaps, they mused, Muslims were upset about substandard educations their sons and daughters were getting, or inadequate child care services so devout Muslim women would be free to work, or maybe income inequality. After all, all cultures are equal, and we all want the same things! And really who wouldn’t want boys and girls to get a good STEM education and then equal economic and social opportunities for everyone regardless of race, sex, creed, or religion?
So then they figured they had to get a little more explicit. Michael Adebalajo had a speech prepared and had a bystander record it as he cited chapter and verse (really; Surat Al-Ma’idah 5:33, Surat At-Tawbah 9:111, etc.) about how his religion compelled him to kill drummer Lee Rigby on the streets of London.
Naw, sez the British authorities, that couldn’t be it. Perhaps it’s because immigrant yutes like Adebalajo feel alienated from the British society they are so clearly desperate to assimilate into.
Bad, bad Britain! How dare you make such a gentle soul feel so outcast!
MAJ Nidal Hassan actually went so far as to spell out how Islam compels Muslims to attack their fellow soldiers in the circumstances he found himself in; a pending deployment to Iraq. He had to, he explained in detail, to save his immortal soul. Then after he gunned down 13 of his fellow soldiers while shouting “Allahu Akhbar” he offered to go through all the Islamic particulars again in his proposed “necessity” defense. Which was disallowed.
And once again officialdom and the LHMFM just couldn’t puzzle out why MAJ Nidal Hassan did what he did. Clearly facing an unsolvable mystery, they just chalked it up to undifferentiated “work place violence.”
I’m sure lots of Muslims are wondering what sort of cluebat they need to beat us (as in, our “thought leaders” and “opinion makers”) with until we acknowledge the glaringly obvious.
Steve57 (600c9e) — 12/15/2014 @ 7:36 pm1. The Lindt cafe is not certified kosher, but the Elbazes probably just had coffee.
2. Halal certification for most products is pretty cheap, and the money probably just covers the certifier’s expenses, if that. It might even be subsidized by donations. So there’s unlikely to be much if any remainder that might find its way to terrorists.
Milhouse (9d71c3) — 12/15/2014 @ 9:25 pmHe killed the waiter and the bar manager. Maybe he wasn’t getting quality service. Sometimes stiffing them for the tip just isn’t good enough.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/16/2014 @ 12:15 amBetween 2000 and 2002, Monis styled himself as an âexpert in astrology, numerology, meditation and black magic.â More than 40 women have alleged that he used this as an opportunity to sexually assault vulnerable clients, who came to him for help.
Heh. Bet they all believed in global warming.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/16/2014 @ 12:21 am3. kishnevi (a5d1b9) â 12/15/2014 @ 8:08 am
That’s what happened, but the cafe manager miscalculated.
They had already been forced to recite some statements, so they were perhaps afraid that they might not get a better chance.
He started to nod off, and they thought he was asleep. The cafe manager, seeing this, attempted to grab his gun, but he woke up, or got active, and shot him. That was the signal for the police to intervene, because the rule is generally, if one hostage is killed, that’s the time to attack (the gunman didn’t know this, though) The police could not see in (a hidden camera apparently not having bene delivered) but they could hear shots, and that was the basis for going in.
One other hostage, a 38-year old woman lawyer, is reported to have died of a heart attack ??
Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/16/2014 @ 3:00 pmIran says they warned Australia about him (at the time he requestd asylum? And later?) Nobody of course believed Iran.
Sammy Finkelman (8bd44f) — 12/16/2014 @ 3:01 pm