BREAKING: Rogue New Orleans Prosecutor Commented Anonymously on Articles About O’Keefe
Remember those rogue prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in New Orleans who continually commented, anonymously, on articles in the local paper concerning their own cases? Regular readers will recall that I wrote about this extensively, including the way that the federal judge on the case laid into the prosecutors for their stunning lack of ethics. Two of those sock-puppeting prosecutors have resigned in disgrace, and managed to keep their licenses by agreeing to stay out of federal court so that judge and his colleagues will never have to look at them again.
If I added any value to that controversy, it was in noting that the office that was crawling with unethical sock-puppeteers . . . is the same office that had prosecuted James O’Keefe. Indeed, extremely observant readers may remember that I wrote, in November 2012:
AUSA Jan Mann is one of the people excoriated by the judge for leaving numerous comments on nola.com about a pending case and lying about it. Mann was quoted in the press at the time James O’Keefe was prosecuted by this same office. And at the time of O’Keefe’s prosecution, guess what she said?
Mann, the first assistant U.S. District Attorney for the Eastern District of Louisiana, declined to talk about specifics of the case, but said there were are no ulterior motives with their case.
“We don’t try cases in the press,” Mann told FoxNews.com. “The U.S. Attorney’s Office is motivated by nothing more than what we believe is to mandate and enforce the existing laws that were put in place to ensure the safety and security of federal buildings.”
We don’t try cases in the press — unless we do so anonymously, and then lie to the court about it.
I wonder if they left anonymous comments about the O’Keefe case. I especially wonder whether they left such comments on nola.com. Frankly, I don’t see how they could have helped themselves.
Always trust content from Patterico.
I knew in my bones that these prosecutors must have commented on articles about O’Keefe. I looked and looked for those comments, but never could find any.
Well, guess what?
James O’Keefe has.
Here is an image of “legacyusa” commenting on a James O’Keefe article at nola.com (the Web site of the New Orleans Times-Picayune.)
Who is “legacyusa”? One of the sock-puppeting U.S. Attorneys from New Orleans — that’s who.
Beyond that, I can’t say more, because to be honest, I wrote this post last night, and scheduled it to publish today after O’Keefe’s press conference. And I don’t know what else O’Keefe has dug up, or how he is going to tie it to Landrieu (although the relationship between Landrieu and sock-puppeting disgrace Jan “we don’t try our cases in the press” Mann is well known).
More later.
I’m so irritated I didn’t find this myself.
I think they scrubbed Mann’s comments.
Patterico (3bdcf5) — 12/4/2014 @ 12:09 pmOur esteemed host wrote:
I think that there’s a topical creme for that. 🙂
The Dana practicing medicine without a license (f6a568) — 12/4/2014 @ 12:14 pmThere is a mouthwash to get that taste out of your mouth — 180 proof Peppermint Schnapps.
PCD (39058b) — 12/4/2014 @ 12:19 pmPatterico – Don’t the ends deserve the means? According to EPWJ, James O’Keefe is a national security risk who deserves to be in Guantanamo rather than walking around free today.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 12:19 pmThat wasn’t Mann, was it?
EPWJ (8f5c4e) — 12/4/2014 @ 12:26 pmPerricone. I think they scrubbed all Mann’s comments. Mann and Perricone tended to comment as a tag team. I’ll eat my hat if Mann didn’t do this too. And my hat is big.
Patterico (3bdcf5) — 12/4/2014 @ 12:42 pmPatterico, if you have to eat a hat, eat a real cheesehead of swiss cheese.
PCD (39058b) — 12/4/2014 @ 12:55 pmhttps://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii
tek (2063de) — 12/4/2014 @ 12:55 pmhttp://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2012/03/sal_perricones_self-praise_is.html
I think it would be interesting to contact the author of the article
EPWJ (e8c813) — 12/4/2014 @ 1:02 pmhttp://search.nola.com/legacyusa/
EPWJ (e8c813) — 12/4/2014 @ 1:03 pmActually finding hundreds of Legacyusa comments – here’s a doosey exchange on Nola.com
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/08/rapper_c-murders_case_last_yea.html
legacyusa
Aug 15, 2010
Why do the clerks of court need an associaton? Jefferson Parish is one big criminal enterprise, which will be revealed soon.
mmschoolboy
mmschoolboy
Aug 15, 2010
The Clerk of Court is not part of “THE PARISH” it is a totally separate Organization…
Just like The Sheriff, and the Assessor, and the DA.
legacyusa
legacyusa
Aug 15, 2010
Oh really?? then why is he collecting fees for “jefferson parish?” How does he get elected, if not with the support of “jefferson parish”? Remove your cranial cavity from your rectum.
mmschoolboy
mmschoolboy
Aug 15, 2010
Legacyusa
Learn what you are talking about, as you will see in the story he does not get tax dollars to run his office, no tax dollars for saleries, no tax dollars for insurance, no tax dollars for retirement, no tax dollars to run his office. He does NOT answer to the Parish President orm to the Council. He is Seperate.
But then I guess you think you know your butt from a hole in the ground!
Well you don’t!
legacyusa
legacyusa
Aug 15, 2010
Oh Really, what planet are you on??? If he didn’t do what the other JP politicians wanted, he wouldn’t have the job. Is that your definition of “separate?” Think, if you can.
legacyusa
legacyusa
Aug 15, 2010
ps: anytime a citizen pays a dollar against his will, it’s a tax. Not a fee, not a fine…at tax!!!
EPWJ (e8c813) — 12/4/2014 @ 1:05 pmlegacyusa
EPWJ (e8c813) — 12/4/2014 @ 1:08 pmApr 17, 2010
Her husband is Fred Heebe….can anyone hear the galloping hoofs of Letten’s posse?
Jan Mann in 2012 on Edwin Edwards
eweman
Jan 15, 2012
Like I said -you prove my point thick. People went in to say EWE was stealing and forced the hands of the feds who cannot ignore evidence. They don’t care who you are . Yes, difficult but not impossible obviously. So who is not in whose league now?
eweman
eweman
Jan 14, 2012
The Feds did not go after EWE for fun. He kept committing crimes and left them no choice. Eddie Jordan is as pathetic as Edwards is evil . Luckily Jordan was sensible enough to keep his mouth shut for the entire trial. Even EWE said Jordan slept the whole trial. EWE was smart and wasted it on greed and self-service. Jordan was dumb and used by smarter crooks to advance their own agendas. Had he not been elected DA our crime problem would not have spun so far out of control . He virtually did not convict anyone as DA. Those killers who walked are the ones still out there killing.
Well said conservative1965, and all I can add is that to this day there are still people that give Eddie “The Hat” Jordan credit for the Edwards collar. But when you pull back the curtain, we finally see the bumbling incompetent that he was. Thankfully we now have Jim Letten to put fear in the heart of those politicians and their low-life benefactors that should be a lifetime job for anyone in this low expectation State of ours.
EPWJ (e8c813) — 12/4/2014 @ 1:20 pmThere really should be a special wing in the federal penitentiary for this motley assortment of our representative “finest”.
I would wonder if the OPR subpoenaed the blog’s records?
EPWJ (e8c813) — 12/4/2014 @ 1:33 pmLetten also lied to the court about the extent of internet commenting by his staff we later learned through Jan Mann’s testimony. Scumbag spud hobbit.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 1:36 pmPatterico:
The O’Keefe case was in the Spring of 2010 but the first allegation that prosecutors were involved in anonymous online commenting didn’t occur until March 2012. The prosecutorial misconduct wasn’t confirmed until November 2012 when the Judge issued the Order Patterico blogged about on November 29, 2012. Did anything happen in 2012 that might explain why it was hard to research nola.com comments about O’Keefe? According to this nola.com article dated January 4, 2013:
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/4/2014 @ 2:19 pmPlus the Times-Picayune has fought subpoenas seeking information on its commenters, so it’s possible any suspicious comments were removed or blocked.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/4/2014 @ 2:22 pmDRJ
I showed here in this Thread that Sal has been commenting since 2008, can’t find any on Jan before 2011
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/4/2014 @ 2:38 pmDaley
Can you point to a transcript where Letten Lied?
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/4/2014 @ 2:41 pmI can’t point to a transcript that Letten lied under oath, but there’s this:
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/4/2014 @ 2:48 pmMann’s testimony that she told Letten was under oath “… in testimony to Justice Department investigators probing misconduct.”
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/4/2014 @ 2:50 pmI agree there’s nothing on Jan Mann aka eweman prior to 2011. In fact, there’s nothing at all, according to nola.com. Do you think it could have been scrubbed?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/4/2014 @ 2:51 pmThis is, and has been an interesting story with very interesting updates. I saw the You Tube video with O’Keefe and his lawyer on the earlier thread. I know they have filed ethics complaints against several people and the justice department and why O’Keefe and his attorney had to do so. Good. What is not clear to me yet is how else it is being used publicly in New Orleans, LA, shopped to media, or made part of the Landriu election narrative. Does anybody know who else is seeing this and digesting this today besides Patterico followers?
elissa (7ad6dc) — 12/4/2014 @ 2:54 pm“Can you point to a transcript where Letten Lied?”
EPWJ – Have you tried clicking on Patterico’s links in this post? Also, where did I claim lies were in a transcript or under oath?
You have got your own circus going on and your own monkeys running around in your head. Please don’t try to pull me in there.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 2:57 pmEric–you have gone for months and months with almost no posts here– and now, today, on this subject you are here and just all over the place on fire with your comments and defenses and accusations. Granted, we all have certain issues and specific topics that interest us more than others. We often may possess knowledge or insight that is better applied to certain threads than to others. But in the interest of full disclosure, I think it might help if you would please try to articulate why this O’Keefe topic is so very, very important to you, and why it seems to cause you such stress. It’s almost as if your own ox is getting gored. Is it? Are you involved in some direct or indirect way? Do you personally know some of the people involved?
elissa (7ad6dc) — 12/4/2014 @ 3:16 pmEverything I needed to know about municipal government I learned watching “The Wire”.
Kevin M (d91a9f) — 12/4/2014 @ 3:17 pmelissa,
Okeefe doesn’t cause me the slightest stress. I am from New Orleans. My ox is gored daley 🙂
EPWJ (598909) — 12/4/2014 @ 3:46 pmDaley,
Please show the transcript where Letten lied please.
EPWJ (598909) — 12/4/2014 @ 3:46 pmOh dear Allah. Not this again.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/4/2014 @ 4:48 pm“Please show the transcript where Letten lied please.”
EPWJ – Your claim not mine. Reread my comment correctly.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 4:58 pmMoron
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/09/jan_mann_sal_perricone_attorne.html
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 5:05 pmDaley,
Transcript PLEEEASE.
EPWJ (992ed5) — 12/4/2014 @ 5:28 pmthe US department of justice has become some kinda weirdo ivy league sleaze magnet
happyfeet (831175) — 12/4/2014 @ 5:31 pmLook – I already discounted the very idea that the NOLA.com is going to erase evidence that has been subpoenaed by the DOJ
The comments are there going back to 2008
There is no evidence the comments were scrubbed – the statement that they were is incorrect
In fact there are very few commentators on the blog
It took me 3.5 seconds to find these comments – not a state secret
EPWJ (992ed5) — 12/4/2014 @ 5:35 pmEPWJ – Daley never claimed it was under oath. Your transcript please nonsense is just that. Nonsense. I know this general issue gets you out of your mind, but history also shows that you tend to wind up in time-out when you start pulling this crap.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/4/2014 @ 5:39 pm“Transcript PLEEEASE.”
EPWJ – Not my circus, not my monkeys.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 5:47 pm‘Vishnu, Buddha Pazuzu’ don’t you ever give up, the New Orleans DA, has become a ‘ hive of scum and villainy,’ perhaps worse than the Jim Garrison years.
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/4/2014 @ 6:02 pmEPWJ,
The New Orleans Times-Picayune admits some of the prosecutors’ comments were restored. If they’re going to “restore” comments, don’t they first have to be removed, scrubbed, taken down, erased, or whatever word you want to use?
Furthermore, look up some of the names the prosecutors admitted they used — names like eweman, legacyusa, Henry L. Mencken195, dramatis personae, and possibly campstblue. I can’t find those names at nola.com’s commenter search engine. If the comments are still there, I can’t find them either.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/4/2014 @ 7:34 pmGiven the timing, my guess is the administrators of nola.com took down the comments after receiving inquiries or subpoenas about the IP addresses involved. And since there are still inquiries and subpoenas being issued in these matters, that may also be why the administrators of nola.com haven’t restored all the names and/or comments.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/4/2014 @ 7:37 pmSome swamps just refuse to be drained.
askeptic (efcf22) — 12/4/2014 @ 7:44 pmDRJ – The Times Picayune is also fighting subpoenas to reveal anonymous commenter identities on First Amendment grounds in a number of matters.
Plus the article I linked in #31 refers back to the June 2012 court hearing in which Letten represented he was aware of only one commenter in his office, directly contradicting Jan Mann’s later sworn testimony that she told Mann that she had been in March of 2012. If EPWJ is so interested in a transcript he can find one himself for that June hearing. One result of that hearing though was that Jan Mann was tasked with responding to the Judge’s demand that the U.S. Attorney’s office provide him a list with all personnel who had commented on the internet and their handles. Jan did not even complete that task honestly in spite of having informed Letten of her activities and Letten did not force her to disclose her activities to the judge in her report.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 8:03 pmStill waiting for a transcript where Letten lied
DRJ
Right, Nola decided to go to jail by scrubbing comments that easily could have been screen capped – who’s going to jail for someone else?
EPWJ (9dacda) — 12/4/2014 @ 8:08 pmEPWJ,
Wait a minute, okay? I’m not saying the newspaper did anything wrong, only that there was a decision made to take down the comment search feature and possibly some comments. I speculated this was done for legal/subpoena reasons but it could also be for PR reasons or even technical reasons. That wasn’t the point.
As far as I know, there isn’t a right to having comments appear and/or stay posted in a newspaper, a blog, or anywhere. It’s the owner’s decision what to publish. However, my point is that since the newspaper has admitted some comments weren’t there for a period of time, we don’t know if other comments are still missing. It looks to me like there are many missing comments.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/4/2014 @ 8:23 pmPlus, I don’t think the newspaper’s executives or administrators would go to jail for removing comments. Their duty is to comply with subpoenas by providing information when requested or, alternatively, seeking to quash subpoenas in court. I believe they’ve done both at various times, and I have no reason to think any laws were violated.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/4/2014 @ 8:25 pm“Still waiting for a transcript where Letten lied”
Where are you?
I will send a public safety check.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 8:26 pmhttp://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/09/from_improper_online_posts_sca.html
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 8:43 pm“grotesque” is just a great word. It has so many uses. So, I guess Letten did lie, then, huh?
elissa (779993) — 12/4/2014 @ 8:51 pmEPWJ….”Ding!”
reff (4dcda2) — 12/4/2014 @ 9:20 pmOne “New Orleanian to another…
Eh, still no transcripts I see…
EPWJ (9dacda) — 12/4/2014 @ 9:42 pmJD
Daley needs to provide a transcript to back up his statements that a US attorney lied in a DOJ investigation
EPWJ (9dacda) — 12/4/2014 @ 9:45 pm“Daley needs to provide a transcript to back up his statements that a US attorney lied in a DOJ investigation”
EPWJ – You need to stop making crap up. I never said that.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 9:53 pmreff – No, EPWJ’s DingBat
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 9:55 pm“Eh, still no transcripts I see…”
EPWJ – Mediocre Bill Schmalfeldt imitation. Add a doom clock and some butt stuff.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/4/2014 @ 9:58 pmLetten lied, EPWJ cried?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/4/2014 @ 10:08 pmOh, give it a rest, Eric. Here’s a recent story on the appeal of Englehardt’s order before the Fifth Circuit. http://www.theneworleansadvocate.com/news/crime/10935166-123/justice-department-blasts-engelhardt-in At least the cops remain locked up during the appeal, so that’s a good thing. And if the Fifth Circuit, some time next year or the year after, overrules Englehardt, it will be a very good thing. Killing a man and framing his own brother for it. Even the NYPD would not stoop that low. At least I don’t think it would.
nk (dbc370) — 12/4/2014 @ 10:15 pmAnd, BTW, Mann’s and Perricone’s disbarments on consent from the Federal District Court are honest to goodness loss of license to practice law in front of that Federal District Court. Each federal District is its own licensing and disciplinary jurisdiction.
nk (dbc370) — 12/4/2014 @ 10:28 pmdaley, so you have nothing, in other words
EPWJ (9dacda) — 12/4/2014 @ 10:29 pmnk,
they were not disbarred, and can be reinstated at any time
EPWJ (9dacda) — 12/4/2014 @ 10:32 pmThe EPWJ broken record of nuttiness returns. It was as predictable as it is sad.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:34 amnk,
they were not disbarred, and can be reinstated at any time
Even labcatcher would agree that attorney licensing requirements in a Federal District Court are something I know about, Eric. It’s the way I said it was. It was disbarment on consent. Yes, they can be reinstated at any time. They would have to petition the same Court, and prove they were rehabilitated and they no longer pose a danger to the public and to the administration of justice. By the same token, I can marry Kate Upton at any time.
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:50 amReading the order, found at the Nola link in the blog post, Perricone appears to have taken a plea deal of self removal from the Federal bar in lieu of disciplinary punishment.
I suspect that was a very smart move on his part, as I suspect an actual disbarment would have triggered disbarment from other courts, or at least made it difficult to practice law at any level of the court system.
Xmas (f65ded) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:12 amThe orders:
http://media.nola.com/crime_impact/other/PerriconeResignation.pdf
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:21 amhttp://media.nola.com/crime_impact/other/JanMannResignation.pdf
Those were signed by Martin Feldman, I wonder if it was my former dean at Tulane
EPWJ (775325) — 12/5/2014 @ 9:02 amhttp://www.laed.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/local_rules/LAEDDisciplinaryRules.pdf
After a year they can be summarily reinstated and all proceedings are sealed
EPWJ (0e7ed5) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:00 amFive years (where do you see one year?); and Kate Upton can summarily decide to marry me, or hold a hearing on my character and fitness and rule against me if I come up short. 9.3.1 et seq
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:08 amAccording to your link at 64, a suspended or disbarred lawyer may be reinstated. These lawyers “permanently resigned” per the links at 62. I don’t think the reinstatement rules apply to that.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:11 amIt is stunning that Eric is apparently looking for ways or mechanisms that these scummy ethics- challenged lawyers who resigned might be re-instated to the federal bar. Why????
elissa (587353) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:22 amIt’s happened before, elissa.
I’m still marveling at nk’s pending nuptials with Kate Upton.
Greek gentlemen have maaaad skillz.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:27 amI will go to nk’s wedding if I am invited and if there is Greek food and if it’s really Kate and not some fake one-dimensional cardboard figure standing in. Whether it’s a marriage or a prosecution we’re talking about I just think with respect to the parties involved (bride, sock-puppet) there needs to be some honesty.
elissa (587353) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:37 amGood point, DRJ, even though it contradicts my “disbarment on consent” interpretation of the “resignation”. I see a summary dismissal of a motion for reinstatement.
Did I place the quotes properly, BTW?
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:37 amIrony is a lost orphan child with you guys, sometimes. I was teasing EPWJ for his Mann and Perricone “can” be reinstated.
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:40 amWe know. nk. We’re not Sammy. We “got” it the first time.
elissa (587353) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:42 amI think the Kate Upton part gave it away, but aren’t you a little happy that we thought it was conceivable?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:43 amAnd here I thought you were going to play football with Kate Upton.
Because football players are unpredictable. Women adore that.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:44 amSee how wonderful DRJ is? On the other hand, I have a “beauty and the beast” relationship with my wife. I have no explanation for why she asked me to marry her.
So nk, you should wait by your computer. I’m certain Kate Upton’s e-mail will be appearing shortly.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:45 amnk,
I was taught to put punctuation marks inside quotes, but I was also taught to put two spaces after every period and never end a sentence with a preposition. No one cares about those things anymore so don’t worry about quotes.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:45 amMy understanding is Perricone and Mann resigned from the roster of the federal bar in the Eastern District of Louisiana, and the judge struck them from the roster in the Middle District of Louisiana. They can still practice in state court and in the federal court for the Western District of Louisiana. Thus, they haven’t been disbarred or suspended from the practice of law in Louisiana, so reinstatement doesn’t apply. It’s up to the judges in the federal courts where they’ve been removed from the roster to decide if they can be re-listed. It can happen but I think it would be unusual. It would be even more unusual for a President to name one of them as a federal district judge nominee.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:51 amOn the other hand, O’Keefe announced yesterday that he’s filed Ethical Conduct Complaints with the Louisiana disciplinary board regarding Mann, Perricone, and Letten. If proved, that could result in various sanctions including suspension and disbarment.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 10:57 amI think baseball is more Kate’s game. My understanding is she spends a bunch of time with Justin Verlander.
elissa (587353) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:00 am“I was taught to put punctuation marks inside quotes, but I was also taught to put two spaces after every period and never end a sentence with a preposition. No one cares about those things anymore so don’t worry about quotes.”
DRJ – I was taught the same rules but hired a professional writer to help with some corporate communications for several years who advised much the same. Forget the two spaces and your other old fogey rules. That sort of hurt, because she was older.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:07 amelissa #79…
That’s just because she hasn’t met nk. Logically, it can not be proven otherwise.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:20 amdaley,
Old clothes are back in style. I’m not holding my breath but who knows? Maybe we’ll see the old grammar rules come back, too.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:26 amNot as I sit grading a stack of term papers, DRJ. Sigh.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:30 amI’d go to nk’s wedding if invited no matter who he was marrying. I saw a movie about Greek weddings once, they look like a great time.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:33 amHeck, I’d probably go to nk’s wedding if invited even if he wasn’t Greek.
DRJ
Unless they were convicted of a crime, usually always reinstated – in fact the wording is Must, so the resignation was symbolic, and the court didn’t have to accept it, they could have pursued the matter but chose not to because there probably wasn’t anything there. They were all also cleared in OPR investigations as well.
O’Keefe can’t help but be seen as vexatious, IMO. His arrest and the publicity by his side far outweighed a single comment calling Landrieu a moron, and throw the book at him. And he confessed and pled guilty, something that is going to be weighed by the court. Also, he didn’t help his case by confronting Letten’s family at their home and work.
Its not like these attorneys got drunk, verbally abused the arresting police officers, tried to use their office to intimidate them to letting them go or drove a car recklessly near schools while plowed.
All sal did was call criminals scum bags on da internet – oooooohhhhh OMG! Attorney’s having anonymous opinions mostly after the cases were settled – SAY IT ISNT SOOOOOOO!!!!!
I’ve seen convicted attorneys be reinstated who absconded with clients funds, I’ve heard of one attorney who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter be reinstated. And the fact that they STILL can practice law in Louisiana Federal Courts reinforces my opinion that this is for show.
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:42 amI’m afraid professors will be the last to see grammar rules come back, Simon.
MD, I think we’d all like to meet each other if we could.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:43 amYou know, DRJ, my oldest son spells well and writes with verve and style. His younger brother, going to the same schools, experienced our “new” curriculum. I was present when his 4th grade teacher told the parents that they did not emphasize spelling because it was “counterproductive.” I wanted to ask the teacher if she misspelled things on her teaching job applications. I didn’t.
My youngest son does not spell well. So my wife and I drill him on the topic now.
Government experimenting with kids. Blech.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:53 amYes, indeed, DRJ.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:53 amEPWJ,
I think you’re confusing an attorney having his or her state bar license reinstated after suspension or disbarment, with an attorney who resigns from and gets reinstated to the federal bar roster. State bar licenses are issued by each state and allow attorneys to practice in state courts.
Federal courts have their own admission and practice rules. Most require that an attorney have a state bar license but they usually require more. For example, the Eastern District of Louisiana requires applicants to file an application to practice law before the court and presentation (sponsorship) by an attorney who is already a member of the Eastern District federal bar. In my area, applicants must have two sponsors, as well as a certificate from the Texas State Bar that they are in good standing and proof of completion of a seminar on federal court practice.
In addition, there are different admission rules for different federal courts, so getting admitted to a federal district court in one area doesn’t admit an attorney to practice before all federal district courts. Further, there are separate admission procedures for appellate courts (including the Supreme Court) and for specialized courts like tax courts, etc. Each court decides who to admit, who to ban, and who to reinstate.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:53 am“Old clothes are back in style.”
DRJ – Unfortunately the air in my closets shrank most of mine. 😉
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:55 amFound this comment
legacyusa
Jan 26, 2010
Why were they there? What were they looking for? I don’t condone their behavior, but you must admit, they nailed ACORN. So, is there something in Mary’s office we should know about? Just asking to know both sides of the story.
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:56 amhttp://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/01/acorn_gotcha_man_arrested_for.html
Ohhh this doesn’t help
The two comment Sal made were actually defending O’Keefe from this comment he was responding too:
bizfix19
Jan 27, 2010
Legac, please, the only thing uncovered is a group of morons demonstrated they are at heart a bunch of criminals.
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 11:59 amEPWJ,
As for O’Keefe, has he asked the judge to set aside his conviction? I haven’t seen him do that. What I have seen is that he filed complaints with the entity that considers complaints against attorneys licensed in Louisiana. I don’t know Louisiana law but, typically, the issue in proceedings like this isn’t the claimant’s conduct. The issue is whether the claimant alleged and proved misconduct by the attorneys subject to his complaint.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:04 pmI present the evidence – read the thread from the article I linked
The Jan 26 comment was responded to by bizfix19 who called them criminals and then sal made the two comments – when stood alone look damaging when taken into the 4 comment conversation are not what people seem to be led to believe:
Here they are in sequence:
US Attorney Sal P writes:
legacyusa
Jan 26, 2010
Why were they there? What were they looking for? I don’t condone their behavior, but you must admit, they nailed ACORN. So, is there something in Mary’s office we should know about? Just asking to know both sides of the story
then a response
bizfix19
Jan 27, 2010
Legac, please, the only thing uncovered is a group of morons demonstrated they are at heart a bunch of criminals.
Then the US Attorney Sal P responds:
legacyusa
Jan 27, 2010
Wrong. You are being to myopic. Of all the idiots we have in the Senate, why did they pick Mary. Besides, she’s hardly ever in that office, anyway. So why? Sure they should be punished. Throw the book at them. But why that office?
legacyusa
Jan 27, 2010
I guess morons attract.
Why the sea change in opinion one can speculate but maybe the FBI came in and also the criticism of the Feds in general and maybe the hostility of the participants? Anyone’s guess
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:08 pmEPWJ,
Can I have a link for your comment 92, please?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:11 pmDRJ
If he’s found to be filing frivolous complaints he will open up more and more legal problems for himself. He really needs to get a lawyer who cares more about him and his personal freedoms.
Look at the info I just posted – it doesn’t help him in his narrative – if he left out the Jan 26 comment from his bar complaint
That will not be seen in a good light.
Internet going down so if I don’t respond its not being disrespectful
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:12 pmDrj
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/01/acorn_gotcha_man_arrested_for.html
its takes awhile to find it
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:13 pmI sent all these to Okeefe btw years ago
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:14 pmCorrection – I may have sent them to Andrew – I don’t have that email address anymore though
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:16 pmIn fact in fairness just disregard my last two comments – I should verify first sorry
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:17 pmI’m sure he appreciated that, EPWJ. Perhaps you should take credit for helping O’Keefe bring these claims against the prosecutors.
As for legacyusa’s comments, the point is that a US Assistant Attorney General on the prosecution team that was handling O’Keefe’s case was commenting anonymously online about the case. You focus on the Landrieu comments, which is interesting since the US Attorney isn’t supposed to take political sides. I focus on this:
Sounds anti-O’Keefe to me.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:19 pmThe last comment was directed at bizfix19 calling him a moron
So the ONLY COMMENT’S WORDS that were prejudicial to Okeefe were ‘sure, throw the book at them’ but then he went right after MAry LAndrieu
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:20 pmI’d still like a link when you can. It’s hard to find this stuff since nola.com makes it hard to search its website.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:21 pmDRJ
It was mild – that’s a statement that is made in press conferences and so forth –
very mild
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:23 pmLegacyusa sounds more protective of Landrieu to me — as in, Why pick on Mary? — something I would expect from a colleague of her brother.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:23 pmThey aren’t allowed to act this way, EPWJ, no matter how mild you think this conduct is. Granted, it’s mild compared to internet trolls, but prosecutors are held to a much higher standard. Why do you think Jim Letten, Jan Mann and Sal Perricone had to resign from the US Attorneys’ office and the federal bar?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:25 pmThank you for the link, EPWJ. This wasn’t a conversation between legacyusa and bizfix19. There were many other comments and commenters involved, but I get your point. Do you get mine?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:31 pmAlso, will you admit that a prosecutor was posting about O’Keefe while his case was pending?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:33 pmFrom re-reviewing this thread I find have no clue whom Eric is defending or standing up for or is pillorying–or what point(s) he is trying to make with all his posts. I can’t tell who he thinks are the bad guys (if any) or who he thinks are the ones who have been treated unfairly (if any). I can’t tell what he thinks can, and should happen next (if anything) with respect to any of the principals in the Landrieu office federal case. You are a better woman than I if you have figured it out, DRJ. I admire your tenacity in trying to suss it out with EPWJ.
elissa (252da0) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:34 pmDRJ
I’m trying to get you an exact link to the comment – so far the article and scrolling painfully through them is the only way
Okeefe must have known about these comments. Its interesting – did he omit the Jan 26th comment from Patterico? If he did, then why? And no, these people were exposed months before in an unrelated case.
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:35 pmelissa
I am just posting the evidence as I find it. The Jan 26th comment and the comment(s) by bizfix19 were instrumental and were omitted until I found them.
Facts, information is disturbing when left out – read that into whatever motivations you are ascribing to me.
Should I not have shown the fact that they are not disbarred, they are not permanently banned from practicing in Federal Courts in Louisiana? Should I have ignored a REMARK apparently made EVEN EARLIER by the US ATTORNEY that was sympathetic and actually was very favorable to O’Keefe?
What would you have thought of me then, if you discovered that I deliberately omitted that information?
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:39 pmAnd I spent maybe 20 minutes on all this, and finding it and most of that time was reading for other US ATTORNEYS to see if any of the comments on this thread were possibly from LE
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:41 pmDRJ
He was making no statements about the case.
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:43 pmDRJ
Yes they are, good lord, sure they are unless the judge orders them not to. Good grief my Attorny was Mann’s predecessor and she was CONSTANTLY on the news about EDWARDS and others even before they were tried or charged, if not her Boss Voltz was and they filed complaint after complaint after complain about Voltz
Pleease, if this were true I can see hundreds of lawyer blogs disappearing overnight…
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:48 pmWell, thank you for the conversation and the patience DRJ and you too Elissa.
In passing, why was the Jan 26 comment either not found or omitted?
EPWJ (8b746f) — 12/5/2014 @ 12:51 pmThat is a comment made in an alias used by a prosecutor about the case, EPWJ. It’s one thing to make statements in a public press conference, as prosecutors do. It’s another thing entirely to make comments online, anonymously, about a pending case. It’s an effort to influence public opinion. It’s wrong.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 1:05 pmEPWJ,
I don’t know what O’Keefe knows and neither do you, but he doesn’t have to tell us or anyone everything he knows. Neither does Patterico. Neither do you, but you’ve certainly made me curious.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 1:06 pmEric–please try to grasp this: I am not ascribing any motivations to you whatsoever. I am actually quite unclear what your motivations are, and I have asked you about this to no avail. I am not arguing with you. But I am trying to pin down what is your larger interest or POV on this case–the mysterious unknown POV that is lost/buried in the many many comments you have entered. Other than my gathering that generally you don’t have much of a problem with prosecutors posting on a newspaper website (under sock-puppet anonymity) as disinterested commenters about a case while that case is pending, is there something else you think is being missed? Is defending sock-puppets your main goal or is there something else?
elissa (252da0) — 12/5/2014 @ 1:06 pmYou realize that a Bar disciplinary committee will look at the source documents and not just the complaint when evaluating an ethical complaint, right? O’Keefe’s complaint should tell them where the objectionable comments are located so they can be subpoenaed from nola.com.
I don’t see legacyusa’s comments as being pro-O’Keefe the way you do but if there is something in the comments that matters, I think the disciplinary board will have access to it.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 1:16 pmelissa, DRJ
I don’t see these comments being outside the norm of statements in a press conference. Any public comments or publicity about anyone indicted is highly prejudicial, in this one case, O’Keefe may have overreached – something that some have attributed to him as well as any other undercover investigator.
I don’t think these three comments hurt Okeefe over the dozens that wanted payback for Acorn.
EPWJ (e8c813) — 12/5/2014 @ 1:33 pmAlso, incomplete complaints are not in the best interest of anyone – if he omitted the 1/26/14 comment and the 27th bizfix19 reply.
EPWJ (e8c813) — 12/5/2014 @ 1:35 pmOh dear Allah. Running around with the goalposts lighting yourself on fire never gets old, does it? Which one was your law school prof?
JD (86a5eb) — 12/5/2014 @ 2:10 pmThe continued descent into madness continues apace.
JD (c3cff2) — 12/5/2014 @ 2:28 pmJD,
All that’s going on is key evidence withheld. A Missing part of the story changes the whole thing.
EPWJ (ce3edd) — 12/5/2014 @ 2:33 pmI was about to ask you the legal standards required for filing a complaint, to include the extent and degree of defense arguments and evidence required to be included, bu realized that since you are just making stuff up, there is no real point asking. Which one were you at Tulane law with?
JD (c3cff2) — 12/5/2014 @ 2:39 pmEPWJ did not know the horsemeat stew had turned… until it was too late.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/5/2014 @ 2:54 pmJD,
Let me know when you have ANY facts to back up your assertions. Usually when you get personal, its all about the misdirection and deflection.
If it becomes known that he based his complaint on two comments and didn’t disclose the two that refuted them, its not going to go well for him. DRJ has been very diligent in defending him but its a weak argument.
Numerous Bar complaints flow like water against prosecutors – deliberately trying to mislead a state board is not going to go unanswered, if he left those two comments out – its not going to be pretty.
EPWJ (c12453) — 12/5/2014 @ 2:55 pmJD,
Why was this comment omitted?
legacyusa
Jan 26, 2010
Why were they there? What were they looking for? I don’t condone their behavior, but you must admit, they nailed ACORN. So, is there something in Mary’s office we should know about? Just asking to know both sides of the story
When you finish insulting me and go through the usual paces of insults and whatever
Why do you think this wasn’t in the post or sent to Pat?
EPWJ (c12453) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:00 pmyou see a pattern with the prosecutors in Anchorage who conjured the bogus indictment against Stevens,
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:02 pmFitz’s crew in Chicago, the office that Ronnie Earle built in Austin,
So your argument is that 2 of the unethical sock puppeted comments by the multiple prosecutors on their own case were not as bad as two other sock puppeted comments by the multiple unethical prosecutors on their own case?
elissa (252da0) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:03 pmAm I getting close?
elissa (252da0) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:07 pmI am asserting nothing, EPWJ. You just made that up. I actually asked you a question, albeit indirectly. You are invested in this. We get that. Who were you at Tulane with?
JD (c3cff2) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:18 pmelissa
Its never a good idea in any complaint to leave out potentially exculpatory material, whatever the situation.
EPWJ (c12453) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:21 pmEPWJ – please point us to the legal standard for filing a complaint, to include the amount and degree of discovery evidence that must be submitted with a complaint.
JD (c3cff2) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:23 pmJD
Please let me know why you are invested in this. All I did was look at the comment section and found this:
legacyusa
Jan 26, 2010
Why were they there? What were they looking for? I don’t condone their behavior, but you must admit, they nailed ACORN. So, is there something in Mary’s office we should know about? Just asking to know both sides of the story
Which seem so far to be omitted
EPWJ (c12453) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:23 pmlike a terrier after a rat, epwj seeks TEH TRUTH.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:26 pmTEH TRUTH is that the DOJ’s branch office in Nawlins is a cesspool of corruption, avarice and back-scratchin’. Letten is, was and has always been a L-L-L-L-Loser consigned to a brackish, backwater that practices voodoo lawyerin’ and political chicanery.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:32 pmI’m staying out of this, but a lurker trying to influence opinion on a web discussion sometimes has to say things a little bit positive for credibility,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:42 pmit’s like concern trolling.
I’ve been there done that seeing it.
Whether that had anything to do with this, I have no idea,
and I’m staying out of it.
Yeah, we need some Johnny Cash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG_4GUZpnPk
Orleans Parish District Court
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:53 pmWon’t you reinstate by dark-haired girl
I’m with DRJ that the comments are not harmless and not necessarily pro-O’Keefe. Remember that Obama is the president from ACORN and that the left pretty much had a vendetta on O’Keefe after his ACORN tapes led to the defunding of ACORN by HUD and ACORN’s theoretical dissolution. The left was positively gleeful over O’Keefe’s arrest and it garnered network covered that his exposes would not, including the persistent misreporting that O’Keefe and his crew were wiretapping, bugging or tampering with phones. David Shuster flew to New Orleans to provide breathless on the spot coverage.
If there is a theory of undue command influence from Washington to overcharge for a misdemeanor offense, if that, I don’t think the comments do anything to persuade otherwise.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:53 pmDaley
So why did they apparently leave out this comment:
MD in Philly, staying away but concerned trolling? Pat said he wished he had found the comments so I went and immediately found dozens and then this one and there are more – is leaving out evidence now concerned trolling?
EPWJ (c03e05) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:59 pmI also seem to remember that Wade Rathke, the corrupt head of corrupt ACORN International and one of its corrupt SEIU puppets, was based in New Orleans.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:59 pmDaley
yes that’s correct in fact Acorn was founded in New Orleans
EPWJ (c03e05) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:01 pmEPWJ-
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:09 pmI was not referring to you. It was completely an aside about the original postings, not anything that was done afterwards, that if you find a sock-puppet making some statements that sound kind of positive about what they are trying to undermine, don’t be surprised.
“So why did they apparently leave out this comment:”
EPWJ – Since you are tight with them, why not ask directly. I don’t claim to read minds like you or hang with a bunch of corrupt attorneys.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:15 pmDaley
I have spoken with some of them yes, one yesterday.
Before the champagne corks pop – here are some recent LADB decisions
EPWJ (775325) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:20 pmwhoops, the link
https://www.ladb.org/DR/
EPWJ (775325) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:21 pmHow do you “leave out” info ? Where is this standard that he keeps bleating about?
Which one did you attend Tulane law with?
Notice that he tried to slink away from his TRANSCRIPT nonsense when confronted with the facts.
JD (c3cff2) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:26 pmi’m worried about all these rogue prosecutors
it’s corruption is what it is
plain old third world corruption
happyfeet (831175) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:27 pmThere’s “corks” poppin’… but it ain’t champagne.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:32 pmI am curious, from an actual legal mind, not a serial fabulist, whether the tone, tenor, or relative positivity or negativity matters even one iota in accessing this inappropriate behavior by the attorneys.
JD (c3cff2) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:32 pmJD,
Did O’Keefe leave out this comment on his complaint? If he did why?
legacyusa
Jan 26, 2010
Why were they there? What were they looking for? I don’t condone their behavior, but you must admit, they nailed ACORN. So, is there something in Mary’s office we should know about? Just asking to know both sides of the story
EPWJ (775325) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:33 pmDoes not matter one goddam iota if he left it out. That is a legal standard you have created by immaculate assoull. He is not required to include that, or any other statement made by your crooked buddies. He is filing a complaint, not submitting their defense. I call BS on your Tulane BS. No way you went there. And if you did, they would prefer you to quit advertising it.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:37 pmJD
A standard that has been recently applied is whether did it do any material harm.
ALI ZITO SHIELDS
EPWJ (775325) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:42 pmNUMBER: 12-DB-038 c/w 13-DB-053
Non responsive, that only goes to punishment.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:43 pm“I have spoken with some of them yes, one yesterday.”
EPWJ – Don’t leave us in suspense. Why did they comment and why did they say what they did?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:45 pmI am curious, from an actual legal mind, not a serial fabulist, whether the tone, tenor, or relative positivity or negativity matters even one iota in accessing this inappropriate behavior by the attorneys.
JD (c3cff2) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:32 pm
No, it was inappropriate in every possible respect. Think about it. “Your Honor, we felt bad about prosecuting poor Mr. O’Keefe so we went anonymously on the internet and said the nicest things we could think of to say about him in order to gain him some public sympathy or at least balance.” Now, picture the judge’s jaw dropping to his chest and his eyes popping open to his hairline from incredulity.
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:51 pmJD
Misdirection isn’t going to answer why this comment was possibly left out?
legacyusa
Jan 26, 2010
Why were they there? What were they looking for? I don’t condone their behavior, but you must admit, they nailed ACORN. So, is there something in Mary’s office we should know about? Just asking to know both sides of the story
EPWJ (acb2d0) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:52 pmEPWJ – let me be very clear. I don’t give a rats arse why it wasn’t included. There is no legal standard that requires the oak tiff t provide evidence for the defense in the complaint. You are on one of your downward spirals.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:55 pm“Misdirection isn’t going to answer why this comment was possibly left out?”
EPWJ – Since nobody here knows whether it was left out, did the involved party you spoke with direct you to the comment and point out that it was omitted from the ethics complaint?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:56 pmEPWJ,
First, I am mystified by your repeated assertions that O’Keefe left out a comment from his ethical complaint against Letten, Perricone and Mann. I don’t know what he put in the complaint and I don’t think you or anyone here knows, because to my knowledge the complaint hasn’t been published online.
You seem to be confusing Patterico’s post — including his excerpts from the comments left by legacyusa at nola.com — with O’Keefe’s complaint. Patterico wrote this post, not O’Keefe, and Patterico told you in the post that he didn’t know what O’Keefe was going to say in his press conference, other than that a prosecutor had posted comments at nola.com on O’Keefe-related stories. Patterico included two comments by legacyusa to give us a taste of what he thought O’Keefe was going to say. Please stop confusing Patterico’s post with O’Keefe’s complaint.
Second, from your own comment regarding attorney sanctions:
You highlighted part 3 but I highlighted part 1, and I think it’s far more relevant. As I pointed out to you here and here on earlier thread, attorneys are limited in what they can say in public — and prosecutors have even more specific limits because they are public servants who have a special duty to do justice. As I told you the other day:
It isn’t a question of whether the prosecutor said something really bad or sort of bad or even something nice. It isn’t a question of whether the prosecutor could have said or did say the same thing in a press conference, or whether other prosecutors say the same things in public. The point is that the prosecutor did this anonymously to try to influence those members of the public who were interested enough in this case to read about it in the newspaper. That’s the problem.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:57 pmNo single factor is dispositive, Eric, they’re weighed as a whole. Furthermore, there was harm to the orderly administration of justice. It is necessary to discipline these attorneys to deter similar conduct by other attorneys that might do more harm and to uphold the dignity of the court. And, the most important, judges don’t like lawyers thumbing their noses at basic rules of conduct. This really is not fine point of law where reasonable minds could disagree. It was wrong — open and shut.
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:57 pmDaleyrocks – Tulaneaw privilege applies to that.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:58 pmEric, are you a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient, if I may ask?
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:02 pmEPWJ,
Am I understanding correctly that you admit you spoke to one of the original prosecutors in the O’Keefe case yesterday? Who and how do you know them?
Is that why you were so against O’Keefe when this story first broke … because you are friends with one or more prosecutors and wanted to support them online?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:02 pmnk,
except look at the dates – that doesn’t hold up
EPWJ (acb2d0) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:02 pm?
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:05 pmOur Cairn Terrier has some exceedingly bad flatulence this eve… #ICan’tBreathe
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:05 pmI’m terrible with dates (no, Haiku). Help me out.
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:07 pmYesterday in a longer comment I said to you, Eric:
=But in the interest of full disclosure, I think it might help if you would please try to articulate why this O’Keefe topic is so very, very important to you, and why it seems to cause you such stress. It’s almost as if your own ox is getting gored. Is it? Are you involved in some direct or indirect way? Do you personally know some of the people involved? elissa (7ad6dc) — 12/4/2014 @ 3:16 pm==
And here was your very coy non-answer:
==elissa, Okeefe doesn’t cause me the slightest stress. I am from New Orleans. My ox is gored daley EPWJ (598909) — 12/4/2014 @ 3:46 pm==
Now, a full day later and after posting countless more comments, in response to a question from daleyrocks your story is a tad different. Now, you’re an insider:
elissa (252da0) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:09 pm==I have spoken with some of them yes, one yesterday. EPWJ (775325) — 12/5/2014 @ 4:20 pm==
DRJ
WE are not colleagues and we are not “friends” – I am not against O’Keefe – I just wonder why this comment was left out:
legacyusa
Jan 26, 2010
Why were they there? What were they looking for? I don’t condone their behavior, but you must admit, they nailed ACORN. So, is there something in Mary’s office we should know about? Just asking to know both sides of the story
EPWJ (0c89e8) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:15 pmI think EPWJ may know the Manns, Letten or someone that supports them. If so, then he supports the prosecutors who haven’t been caught commenting on the O’Keefe case, and he doesn’t know/support Perricone aka legacyusa who has been caught.
This theory explains why EPWJ sounds so contradictory at times — because he supports some prosecutors but not all of them. It also explains his preoccupation with dates. Perricone commented as far back as 2008, but we don’t know when Jan Mann started commenting and she has only confessed to commenting beginning in 2011. We don’t know if she commented on the O’Keefe case, and I bet some people want to keep it that way.
Am I getting warm, EPWJ?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:17 pmelissa
I am not nor ever was involved in any of OKeefes affairs – Breitbart and I were classmates for 2 1/2 years at Tulane.
EPWJ (0c89e8) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:20 pmDo you feel bad for Letten, EPWJ? His assistants put him in a horrible bind if he didn’t know what they were doing.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:28 pm==I am not nor ever was involved in any of OKeefes affairs – Breitbart and I were classmates for 2 1/2 years at Tulane.==
That does not answer the question and you know darn well it does not. Clearly you did not talk to Andrew Breitbart yesterday.
elissa (252da0) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:28 pmDRJ,
in 1984 or 85 I was invited to a dinner by her father at their house – that’s the last time I have had contact with the family. The Maselli’s.
I never heard of Sal I see he commented as far back as 2008 – some of the comments are inappropriate. Jan doesn’t seem to have commented on the case nor Letten.
It was I who gave Andrew the info and on this blog that Maselli should have recused herself because she served on a board with financial over site of a budget in the millions with Mary’s sister at the time of the case – go look back in the patterico archives
Part of my discussion was the issue that she should have recused herself – if you were wondering why I called.
EPWJ (db4127) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:31 pmEPWJ,
I’ve seen your comment about Jan Mann, Mary Landrieu, and Ursuline Academy. I’m sure that was common knowledge in New Orleans but it’s still nice of you to want to help expose ties between the various people involved, but it didn’t matter to the judge at the time since he didn’t agree to transfer the case.
Back on point, who are you talking to now about this?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:34 pmDRJ
Letten was a US Attorney for a long time – longer than most – the other two were career US Attorneys. They were involved in a horrible case of several police officers who shot down several unarmed black men and were being excoriated in the comment sections in a very small town where their families lived and worked.
So they smacked some trolls, who think that the police can gun down as many people as Kent State…….
O’Keefe is trying to piggyback on this with a claim that may not have all the information.
All he and Andrew had to do back in Jan 2010 was apologize and shut up
Nope…
EPWJ (db4127) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:39 pmDRJ
No it wasn’t common Knowledge, that academy was very private and I knew they had both attended but was shocked they were in the same class. My oldest who is from New Orleans is one of the few elected Female class officers at West Point was sent on a recruiting trip to get more young men and women in New Orleans – their school not only refused to grant her access but was overly belligerent in their reply.
There is no reason to disclose any of any conversation or who it was with.
EPWJ (db4127) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:47 pmNope. Sorry. I understand and sympathize about the dirty Danziger Bridge cops. They needed to be put away at all costs. Why should career AUSAs risk everything over a nothing-burger juvenile prank like O’Keefe’s? Unless … hmm, what would they have learned if they had succeeded?
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:51 pmAbsolutely true, which is why this is so shocking. They should have known better.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:54 pmthis thread calls for more popcorn.
mg (31009b) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:54 pmI tolds Mary about it
Told her I was prosecuting O’Keefe
Mary smiled and she told me
“Be sure to throw the book at the creep”.
James O’Keefe you are evil
You made poor Mary throw a fit
James O’Keefe I’m gonna get you
I’m gonna put your butt in the clink.
You could have made trouble for Mary
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 5:56 pmMary was upset I could tell
I think it’s now incumbent
On me to put you away for a spell.
You’d think the attorneys and/or staff involved in the New Orleans commenting scandal would have learned they can’t control what people say online and shouldn’t get involved in what happens there. And yet, if EPWJ is right, apparently someone still cares enough to notice this blog. Old habits die hard, don’t they?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:01 pmnk,
John voltz played huge office pranks, Chuck Rosenthal Johnny Holmes and several other DA’s sent risqué pictures ribald jokes setting off fire alarms fire works – these comments are soo mild compared to who they are dealing with…
EPWJ (db4127) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:02 pmWell, ok, so why should O’Keefe’s prank make them care enough to violate the Rules of Professional Responsibility?
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:06 pmJim Letten was a hard-working prosecutor who was appointed by George W. Bush and reappointed by Barack Obama. He took on corruption cases and won, including Louisiana’s popular governor Edwin Edwards. It must be a very hard to see his career end because of some stupid comments on the internet.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:07 pmnk,
most “pranks don’t end up with a half dozen US Marshalls drawing down on you….
DRJ
The real shame is that the prank wasn’t successful and legal
EPWJ (db4127) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:13 pmDRJ
Also when you get a case like Danzinger – your career is over – but you have to do your job – an entire police force doesn’t forget and NOLA is a bowl where there is no escape for your relatives or yourself.
EPWJ (db4127) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:15 pmDRJ – is there any legal standards or canon that would require someone to include materials relevant ton he defense of a complaint, in the complaint? If a standard of professional conduct says don’t do something, does it matter even a little bit that what you did was either positive or negative? It seems like much of the basics in this are trying muddied by a pig that likes to fling mud and spin yarns.
JD (c1679f) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:47 pmOregon vs Arizona is going to be a great game. I hope the playing surface does not effect the outcome in any way.
JD (c1679f) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:48 pm“Jim Letten was a hard-working prosecutor who was appointed by George W. Bush and reappointed by Barack Obama. He took on corruption cases and won, including Louisiana’s popular governor Edwin Edwards.”
DRJ – He sure comes across as a third-rate unprofessional dirtbag talking to O’Keefe in the clip taken at Tulane.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:52 pmO’Keefe had just before ambushed Letten’s wife, alone at home, with his buddies, his book and his cameras, daleyrocks. A prosecutor’s wife getting a visit at home from a criminal her husband had convicted. He was lucky Letten didn’t punch him out.
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:57 pmDaley – o’keefe is a terrorist and should have been jailed for assaulting Letten
JD (c1679f) — 12/5/2014 @ 6:57 pmdaleyrocks,
I don’t know much about Letten, but what I’ve read portrays him as a hard-working prosecutor willing to take on high-profile corruption cases. However, I completely agree that he didn’t come across well in the video at Tulane. Maybe he’s an everyday guy who just didn’t feel like dealing with O’Keefe, or maybe he has a temper when crossed.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 12/5/2014 @ 7:15 pm“A prosecutor’s wife getting a visit at home from a criminal her husband had convicted. He was lucky Letten didn’t punch him out.”
nk – I’m not feeling your violent vibes.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 7:21 pmWho, me? I’m a cuddly lamb. I’m talking about Letten’s obligation to be a nice sweet professional to a criminal his office had sent up who had just paid a visit to his wife.
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 7:34 pmhe pulled a foolish stunt, to prove why Landrieu, now on her way to the Last Bayou, blocked all phones to curtail feedback to the Louisiana Purchase, and Letten treated it like Watergate, perhaps because his son was involved,
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/5/2014 @ 7:38 pmThat’s what I meant up above, in my comment to EPWJ. It was a nothing-burger attempt at a prank. Why so serious?
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 8:08 pm“I’m talking about Letten’s obligation to be a nice sweet professional to a criminal his office had sent up who had just paid a visit to his wife.”
nk – You’re as bas as EPWJ. There was no sending up. O’Keefe pled out to a misdemeanor with probation. He went to Letten’s house to try to talk to him. Letten wasn’t there he left. You think Letten should have punched him out for that, I think you faux Greek macho BS is showing but it would have looked good on tape if Letten had swung on him and it would have made a good addition to the ethics complaint.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/5/2014 @ 8:10 pm1. Want to learn how to read? When did I say Letten should have punched him out? I said he was lucky Letten didn’t punch him out. I praise Letten for controlling his temper.
2. Want to refresh your memory with Patterico’s post of the incident which includes O’Keefe’s video of his visit to Letten’s house? It was more than “Pardon us, ma’am, is Mr. Letten home?” “No?” “Sorry to have bothered you.”
And Letten didn’t even send him up. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and got probation. Ok. So what was the beef? That he got a scolding instead of hugs like mommy always gave him?
nk (dbc370) — 12/5/2014 @ 8:23 pm