An Unfortunate Irony
[guest post by Dana]
In a bit of irony, the New York Times reporter who saw fit to publish Darren Wilson’s home address is now learning how it feels to be so vulnerable. This after a *website published Julie Bosman’s Chicago home address. Reportedly, Julie Bosman now:
“keeps calling the 020th District station complaining about people harassing and threatening her,” our source told us. She’s also “complaining about numerous food deliveries being sent to her residence.”
Certainly some will say she deserves what she gets because she brought it on herself. And while that may be so, as much as I believe publishing Wilson’s address was wrong, so too was publishing Bosman’s. It’s a dangerous game of tit-for-tat. One hopes neither Wilson nor Bosman will come to any harm as a result.
*I opted not to link to the website.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (8e74ce) — 12/2/2014 @ 9:28 pmI hope nothing bad happens, either. But I believe that the only thing that seems to get journalists thinking about what they do is when there is some kind of consequence for their poorly chosen actions.
Thank you for posting this, Dana.
Simon Jester (025128) — 12/2/2014 @ 9:31 pmFurther fail. The address published as Wilson’s was either out of date or that of the law firm involved in his remarriage (per Snopes). She did not even do her homework.
kishnevi (3719b7) — 12/2/2014 @ 9:34 pmkishnevi,
I read that it wasn’t the house number, but rather the street. However, it is apparently a short block and there was also a photograph of the house accompanying the street name. Enough to track it down if one were so inclined.
Dana (8e74ce) — 12/2/2014 @ 9:35 pmNormally I’d agree with you on the ‘tit for tat’, but not in this case.
seeRpea (2a32aa) — 12/2/2014 @ 9:41 pmThe only reason to give out the address and then keep the street name and photo available was for malicious intent. i can not come up with an example of when this would be an OK thing to do.
So yeah, let it happen to her, maybe this will serve as a deterrent.
Welcome to the 21st Century. Did I say that?
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 12/2/2014 @ 9:51 pmDana – This is terrible! The elite are not to be treated in this manner. Only little people and Republicans deserve harassment.
THIS WILL NOT STAND!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:03 pmOh, hell, I think the home address and phone number of the owner of the New York Times (who’s at least as “lefty” as the reporter is, if not more so) should be published.
Mark (c160ec) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:14 pmI agree it is a bad thing to do, but it is a typical tactic of the Left and/or the anarchist hackers. The only example in recent memory of conservatives doing this was also a retaliation, when the McClatchy papers began publishing addresses of gun permit holders in New York state, when the newspaper reporters’ and editors’ addresses began appearing.
It is distasteful to get down in the muck with the pigs, but it did work in New York. We only ‘dox’ them in retaliation, let the punishment fit the crime.
It is the only way it will ever stop.
Estragon (ada867) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:25 pmIn a war to the death, there are NO rules of engagement. strike hard, and keep striking.
John Cunningham (9f3ba7) — 12/2/2014 @ 10:42 pmDana, you did the right thing — both by posting this, and by omitting the link. Good for you.
Beldar (fa637a) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:09 pmWith respect, Mr. Cunningham (#10 — 12/2/2014 @ 10:42 pm), and with no defense of the NYT reporter implied in this quibble, but:
In a war to the death, there are indeed rules of engagement. Every war the American military has ever fought has been “to the death,” albeit hopefully for more of the enemy than of us. Even against enemy combatants who ignore the Geneva Conventions and all other indicia of civilization, our military maintains, after appropriate adjustments, its rules of engagement.
And again with respect — not only to you but to those who fight in the real ones — “war to the death” probably isn’t the right metaphor here. One must maintain a sense of proportionality, in language no less than viewpoint.
Sorry to be pedantic. I’ll go back to shooing kids off my lawn. Maybe I’ll grab the Lefty neighbor’s blue-wrapped NYT off his lawn, and throw it at those kids.
Beldar (fa637a) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:18 pmShe’s being harassed? Oh my, that is a spot of bother isn’t it, Julie? It sure beats a 9mm cap to the head, which is what the person who would track down Darren Wilson would likely have in mind.
Funeral Guy (afbf7b) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:21 pmif she want’s sympathy, it’s in the dictionary, right between “5hit” & “syphilis”…because i’m fresh out.
if you play stupid games, you should expect to win stupid prizes, which she did. maybe the next professional scumbag liar in the MFM will think twice before doing something like this again. (doubtful, but one can always hope)
and spare me the hand-wringing too, please. i give my enemies the same consideration they do me.
redc1c4 (a6e73d) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:29 pmthe only way it stops in the future is if something happens to the reporter and yes, she brought it up herself … actions have consequences … she intended for Wilson to be harmed … real justice demands that the same harm be visited on her …
KaiserDerden (faa0ee) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:33 pmBeldar … we droped 2 nuclear weapons on civilian targets … don’t talk to me about “rules of engagement” and war …
KaiserDerden (faa0ee) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:36 pmIt is hysterical to read the leftists wail about this. Their typical “defense” is that Wilson’s address/location was published in August, and since Wilson isn’t currently there, publishing it again causes no harm. What they ignore is that if he isn’t there, it is superfluous and gratuitous to include it, and can put the neighbors at risk, given the violent riots and death threats, not to mention if he isn’t there, publishing it is no longer accurate.
JD (86a5eb) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:40 pm#16: it is well documented that the Japanese were going to use “civilians” as suicide troops against any invasion of the home islands.
so no, they weren’t “civilian targets”… and nuking those two cities saved, literally, millions of lives on both sides.
redc1c4 (a6e73d) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:47 pmmeanwhile, theNYT editor is butthurt over the whole thing
how dare little people act the same what journalists do?
redc1c4 (a6e73d) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:48 pmWord I’ve heard is that what was published was Wilson’s former address and his wife’s former address from their wedding license.
Bosman has placed the current residents at those addresses in totally unwarranted danger. How many of the hot heads could ID Wilson in a police line up? Who is she going to get harassed and perhaps killed? I’m sorry. I have very little sympathy for the (censored).
(Patterico, dig around in old records from 1986 & 1986 for anything you can find about one Sigmund Kluger. I was one of his harassment victims. And even with THAT history I can’t pull up sympathy for the (censored). What she did she brought on herself. If something happens to her then nail the perps. That’s all I had going for me. She can tough it out, too.)
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JDow (770dee) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:52 pmNot worth losing the twitter account over?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/3/2014 @ 12:01 am“Beldar … we droped 2 nuclear weapons on civilian targets … don’t talk to me about “rules of engagement” and war …
KaiserDerden (faa0ee) — 12/2/2014 @ 11:36 pm
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Take your pious self-flagellation and cram it, please. I am sick to death of this. I have been listening to “We’re awful for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki” my entire life, and it’s crap.
The Japanese behavior in China gives them exactly zero moral stature from which to bitch about how they were treated. The Japanese STILL do not treat as equal citizens the children of Korean slave laborers THEY brought to Japan. The Japanese are, to this day, absolutely appalling racists on any number of subjects and yet we are supposed to listen to them whine that we wouldn’t have atom bombed them if they were white?
The planned defense of the Japanese home islands, if carried out as outlined by a Japanese high command desperate to avoid the consequences of its behavior, would have caused many more deaths than the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki just among the Japanese, and never mind the casualties we would have suffered. As it was, there is considerable evidence that without the great moral courage of the Emperor and his vital Coup d’état against what was nominally his own government, the High Command would have GONE AHEAD and ordered a hopeless defense likely to cost a million Japanese lives.
I lived in Washington DC for several years. Every year I was there some self-righteous jackass would raise a fuss about the display of the Enola Gay in the Air and Space Museum. My position then as now is that we ought to drape the plane in a banner, declaring in Japanese and English “You rape Nanking again, we bomb you again”.
C. S. P. Schofield (848299) — 12/3/2014 @ 1:00 amUnfortunately, play fair with the left doesn’t work. They believe that
the ends justifies the means. And they get to decide what the ends are
to be. Especially so called journalists. They’ve decided they’re there
to “educate” and “guide” the public. They feel no qualms about distorting
or ignoring facts. They’ve shown this for quite some time but recently
they’ve become quite adamant about their justifications to do so.
Time to show the gander what the goose has been putting up with.
jakee308 (d409c2) — 12/3/2014 @ 1:17 amDana, I’d never presume to try to tell you your business. But Darren Wilson was an innocent victim. Julie Bosman was the perpetrator. It is not equally bad when the perpetrator gets the same medicine as their victims.
These people in the LHMFM do this kind of thing all the time. And they only do it to people they think deserve what will happen to them when they publicize the targeting information. And I do mean targeting information. Remember when Sarah Palin’s target map shot Gabby Giffords? The LHMFM was certain that Sarah Palin might as well have pulled the trigger herself because, projection. That’s exactly what they intend when they let crazies know where to find their victims.
Recall the NY state newspaper that published an interactive map with the names and addresses of all handgun license holders in the counties in their market?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-gun-permit-map/index.html
Despite all their pretense at just trying to foster debate, it was clearly intended to punish people and make them targets after Newton. In a “how do you evil gun owners like having a target painted on your backs” sort of way. They wanted those gun owners to feel vulnerable so they would stop being gun owners.
It was only after bloggers published the names, facebook pages, and addresses of the publisher and staff of the paper that they took the map down. Like Bosman, they were under no real threat (unlike the gun owners who rightly believed they would be targeted by thieves after their weapons). Also like Bosman, they flipped out with fear. They even hired armed guards for the paper and their staff. Instead of making gun owners feel vulnerable, now they felt vulnerable and they didn’t like it one bit. So they cried uncle.
These are evil people. They will only stop being evil when forced to take their own medicine. They like lobbing missiles at their enemies only when they believe nothing of the same sort of thing could ever happen to them.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:29 amyes the propaganda whore is evil
plus she lives just a few blocks from here
happyfeet (831175) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:58 amWhen dealing with ideologues, personal consequences are all they understand. They have already made the mental bargain to abandon any principles in the quest for their ideological goals, expecting them to wise up and behave morally just because we set a better example is a fools errand. When dealing with fair minded people you can respond to them fairly. When dealing with immoral and unprincipled people, the gloves HAVE to come off in order to give us a weapon that has some bite. Any “decent” response will just be interpreted as weakness on our part, which in a way, it is. These people use the rules of any social system to constrain their opponents but they feel no constraints on themselves.
Mr Black (dd0b88) — 12/3/2014 @ 3:24 amCharles Johnson (the “good” one) should publish the reporters’ editors’ names and addresses, too. And I wish nothing happens to them to the exact same degree they wished nothing happened to Darren Wilson and his wife. Erections have consequences. They should have moderated their hard-on for Darren Wilson.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 4:12 amBy “reporters” I mean unindicted Julie Bosman and unindicted Campbell Robertson.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 4:25 amInteresting that someone who knowingly endangered the life of a policeman while clearly doing it on the side of lawlessness is running to the police to protect herself from the lawlessness.
Gosh I wish the world was perfect, where all police had that nifty net gun, Chuck Norris judo skills, Olympic Strength, yet endowed with the worldly wisdom of the Dala Lama – but then again I also wish I could beat JD in a foot race
neither is about to happen soon
EPWJ (0c89e8) — 12/3/2014 @ 4:40 amI see they moved the 20th District police station. I had a trial at the old one. The judge wanted to view the crime scene near there and we reconvened at the police station to save the trip back to court and finish the case that day. Good times.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 5:14 amwell she helped fan the flames there, with the aid of Frances Robles, the interesting thing is the juxtaposition of Donnie Ray Williams, a Hill staffer and administration official who pled guilty to sexual assault, democrat, whose linkedin was ‘dropped down the memory hole, and Elizabeth Lauten, whose Juvee records were released ala Joe the Plumber, listening Neil Dewing, illegally, because outrage!!
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/3/2014 @ 5:18 amLauten got what she had coming. F*** her, I’ve got an awkward teen girl too.
And it was not necessarily Juvie. She was seventeen. And in most circumstances if a case against a juvenile is brought in adult court, I would not object to it being adjudicated there. The kid enjoys more rights, not the least of which is trial by jury, and if found guilty the disposition (sentence) would still be under juvenile court standards. Lauten’s case would have been a no-brainer for a revolving door minor theft court. But you stand the chance that the case is not sealed.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 5:31 amMake that bail being more important than jury. There’s no bail in juvenile cases and a kid can be locked up at the judge’s discretion pending trial while an adult is out on a $100.00 cash bond for a misdemeanor charge.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 5:37 amTit for tat or noblesse oblige. Take your pick.
ropelight (bc5e14) — 12/3/2014 @ 5:37 amMay both Bosman and teh Nawlins fella enjoy their infamy.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 12/3/2014 @ 5:50 amPleading with them to do the right thing already failed. Their training already failed. Their consciences—if they have any—already failed. If people do not suffer—at least a little—as a consequence of their bad actions, then no reform is possible.
I hope no one comes to harm.
“Tit for tat or noblesse oblige. Take your pick.”
Exactly right. They thought they ‘could make a difference’ being journalists, so ethics and responsibility means nothing to them. Either they do the right thing or suffer from doing the wrong thing.
ErisGuy (76f8a7) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:21 amFrankly, I fail to understand why the names, addresses and phone numbers of leftist dogs are not printed more frequently as a deterrent for their constant lying and fabricating. Why not that info on all the MFM personalities, the Black Caucus, leftist college professors and most of all lawyers for the ACLU?
Hoagie (4dfb34) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:21 amwatch what happens when you follow this ‘local crime story’ as the Thelma of Voxxer crew, Sarah Kliff would put it:
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2012/09/donny-ray-williams-jr-ex-obama-staffer.html
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:24 amwe dropped 2 nuclear weapons on civilian targets
Lie or mistake, one or the other. Even fellow travellers Wikipedia writes: “During World War II, the 2nd General Army and Chugoku Regional Army were headquartered in Hiroshima, and the Army Marine Headquarters was located at Ujina port. The city also had large depots of military supplies, and was a key center for shipping.” Military target × ∞.
Never forget the bomb was designed to be used on Nazis, and who wouldn’t want to have seen Berlin, Munich, Hamburg in radioactive ruins?
ErisGuy (76f8a7) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:31 ami thought Lauten’s facebook post was fine
there’s no reason politician children should be off limits
i want to live in a country where the children of politicians live in fear and isolation in proportion to the whorishness of their parents
after all we’ve tried it the other way and the results suck
happyfeet (a037ad) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:32 amOn the contrary, ‘Tit for Tat’ is the best strategy — in both games and real life — for the individual and for the maintenance of peace. It is the expectation of tit for tat that kept nuclear weapons from being used during the Cold War, and kept Hitler from using nerve gas in WWII. It is the expectation of tit for tat that keeps most thugs from assaulting police officers. And tit for tat will likely keep the next newspaper from publishing the addresses of cops facing death threats, and concealed carry members of a state, among other categories of people.
David Pittelli (b77425) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:33 amThe friends of the chatterati in the legal profession have made them legally unaccountable for their bad acts, so this sort of self-help is not deplorable in any uncomplicated way. A more appropriate target would have been the ‘layers and layers of editors’ who failed to excise that address.
Art Deco (ee8de5) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:37 amNot this chap. http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2014/12/glenn-beck-loses-bid-to-dismiss-saudis-libel-suit-199438.html
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:44 amthe politician’s boy
by happyfeet
Once upon a time there was a young boy who lived in a beautiful big house in Georgetown, which is a neighborhood in the capitol of a large and once-respected country called America, and Oliver was his name.
Oliver’s dad was a senator from a faraway coastal state, and his mom was a journalist at a cable tv station. Their names were Kyle and Judy.
By Oliver’s reckoning his life should be super sweet: he was free of any and all deprivation, ahead of him were loads of opportunities that the children of commoners can only dream of.
But Oliver was sad.
Oliver was sad cause people were mean to him and avoided him because Kyle and Judy were wanton socialist whores who hated the Constitution. Sometimes people said mean things about Oliver on facebook.
It wasn’t fair.
But that was just how it would be for the rest of his life.
The end.
happyfeet (a037ad) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:50 amcan put the neighbors at risk, given the violent riots and death threats,
Yes, plus “Strike back twice as hard !”
Mike K (90dfdc) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:56 amFor the tale that you tell me, there’s another to be told (twice)
There was once a broad who thought, all the s*** she said was gold
So she opened up her piehole and on two little girls she picked
The next thing the blonde dummy knew, she was getting her ass kicked.
To a tsamiko 3/4 beat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3zgBv7u2w0
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 7:00 amthis lauten person
she’s only getting her ass kicked cause she directed somewhat negative comments toward the spawn of socialists who have viciously raped america
that’s the only reason
that’s the America we live in
It’s not optimal.
happyfeet (a037ad) — 12/3/2014 @ 7:09 amSchadenfreude climax achieved. It was good for me, Darling.
DNF (9efcdc) — 12/3/2014 @ 7:21 amThe real depressing thing about all of this is everyone’s mutual understanding that our country has its fair share of scum who would physically harm a person or a person’s family because the person did something that the scum didn’t like.
Leviticus (f9a067) — 12/3/2014 @ 7:26 amto my thinking Mr. Leviticus it would be profoundly more depressing to live in a little country where everyone shares the mutual understanding that the burgeoningly fascist government has a monopoly on violence
happyfeet (a037ad) — 12/3/2014 @ 7:49 amTo remove old windshield stickers, kerosene works best. Other petroleum distillates work too, to varying degrees of success. Avoid gasoline, the smell stays for days; and acetone will bleach your dash trim if it drips.
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 7:54 amNot quite. As in I’m not quite satisfied. Twitter people – who are they to discharge the Peoples Cube and others from their service for the imagined slight of prominently sharing the freely available addresses and phone numbers of reporters?
Have these anonymous twitter people ever cancelled services to the media, who make a living by doxing members of the defenseless public?
I want the twitter peoples phone numbers and addresses, or better yet (in the vein of being forced to make gay wedding cakes) lawsuit to shut twitter down forever or until they reinstate their service to all, without bias.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:10 amnote this information was released after there have been death threats against him from the Black Panthers, Anonymous, and everyone else in that venn diagram,
narciso (ee1f88) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:11 amNames of twitter people would be a good start. 😉
papertiger (c2d6da) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:13 amThat YouTube video I linked, BTW, is from Lysistrate (you know, “no huggy, no kissee until you end this war”) and it’s about two guys, one who hates women so much that he does not want to live in the same city with them and the other who hates all men enough to kill them but loves all women. Two guys with the same dilemma for very different reasons. 😉
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:49 amWhat is this about the windshield stickers, and wouldn’t rubbing alcohol work?
Sammy Finkelman (f5dc11) — 12/3/2014 @ 8:57 amThe lefty NYT reporters should have ALL their addresses and phone numbers posted on the NYT website and with every article they publish. It would stop their wanton liberal assaults on people and institutions that are without merit.
Anyone remember the lefty that published the home addresses of all gun owner in her area, and the poopstorm from the left when their addresses were published?
I figure this tit-for-tat will continue until enough above the law, if not decency, are killed waking the liberal community.
PCD (39058b) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:03 amFalls under the heading of karmic justice.
The really groovy Dana (f6a568) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:19 am58, No, Dana, under Heinlein’s Theory of Balancing.
PCD (39058b) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:24 amWhat is this about the windshield stickers,
nk (dbc370) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:29 amJust a helpful hint for car owners, Sammy.
and wouldn’t rubbing alcohol work?
Try it and let us know if it does.
Der Kaiser wrote:
My mother worked in Tokyo during the Korean War, and her position — expressed to me during the late 1960s — was that we should have dropped a “demonstration” atomic bomb in Tokyo Bay, to show the Japanese what would happen to them if they didn’t surrender. What my favorite mother didn’t realize is that, at the time, the two atomic bombs which were used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the only two we had! The third atomic bomb — discounting the Trinity test device — wasn’t completed until December of 1945. If we had conducted the test shot, and it failed, we’d have had only one, which itself might malfunction.
I get sick and tired of people who say that we shouldn’t have used the atomic bombs. Without them, we would have had to invade Honshu, and the Army estimated hundreds of thousands of American casualties. What der Kaiser doesn’t seem to realize is that Harry Truman wasn’t somehow the protector of all mankind, but the President of the United States, and it was his job to win the war with the minimum number of American casualties, and not worry about how many Japanese were killed.
The historian Dana (f6a568) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:33 amOne presumes that Ms. Bosman is not an idiot so the printing of the officer’s address (or to be correct the general location along with the means to find it) even after certain groups had, in effect put a bounty on his head (the infamous $5,000 to get his location so people could talk with him) was deliberate and certainly not journalism. There was no need in the story to do this and one can only conclude she knew that she may be putting the man and his family in extreme jeopardy and either didn’t care or thought he deserved it for his actions. By the publishing of her address the left is being put on notice now that conservatives may well resort to the left’s tactics in order to put an end to this dangerous game. I suspect that her incessant whining now is dissuading others from doing the same thing. Conservatives are going to have to stop turning the other cheek and start slapping back if they wish to save their country.
scr_north (f0de9b) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:43 amThe two atomic bombs weren’t the worst bombing attacks conducted. The Operation Meetinghouse firebombing of Tokyo on May 9-10 was worse, and we were using incendiary “firestorm” bombing raids against Japanese cities, heavily damaging many of them. But the shock of the atomic bombs, whole cities destroyed by a single aircraft, gave Emperor Hirohito the leverage to force the government to surrender.
The historian Dana (f6a568) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:50 amTit for tat is almost always bad. But if people understand that if they choose to do this (make private addresses public) that it could very possibly happen to them….well, maybe they’ll think twice. So really, this incident could prevent bad things from happening in the future.
Or maybe I’m being overly optimistic to think people might learn their damn lesson for once.
Georganne (e37667) — 12/3/2014 @ 11:13 amThey should be tracked down and arrested and most of them shot for resisting arrest!
gunner (575106) — 12/3/2014 @ 11:50 amFor those who dislike the “tit for tat” model, let us just return to the “treating people equally” model …
Politicians/legislators should be subject to the laws that they choose to pass into law … (yes, I know – it’s a Republican belief, not a Democrat/Progressive belief)
Those who want the population unarmed should themselves stay unarmed – and that includes not hiring armed guards …
Those who support water-rationing for ordinary people in cities should have whatever is deemed to be the “fair” ration enforced on them – especially when they can afford to buy more water for themselves so as not to be limited by the rationing …
Those who think that Obamacare exchanges are a great source for healthcare should be required to get their own healthcare through Obamacare exchanges …
I am reasonably sure that we each have ideas in the area of equal treatment …
Alastor (2e7f9f) — 12/3/2014 @ 11:51 amOur country is unique in this regard? I know of a certain Danish cartoonist who still lives in fear for his life and has a safe room and police protection because he insulted a certain you-know-who.
It’s difficult not to have that mutual understanding when certain protected groups can get away with publicly putting out to what amounts to hit contracts on their targets and not suffer the consequences. All in the name of tolerance. It isn’t because we “instinctively” understand there’s a sickness in our societies. It’s because people can put things like this in writing and get away with it.
http://downtrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/wanted-for-racist-murder.jpg
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 12:06 pmFor too many in society, and particularly on The Left,
askeptic (efcf22) — 12/3/2014 @ 12:19 pmtheir actions result in no personal consequences.
I hope that this reporter has learned a lesson, while staying safe.
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jakee308 (d409c2) — 12/3/2014 @ 1:13 pmRegarding the bombs, I’ve read a book by a missionary who stayed in Japan during WWII (mostly in an internment camp…); unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of the book or author. She claimed that the emperor finally ordered surrender when he read in the imperial newspaper* that a certain palace was “slightly damaged”. One of the domes had been blown up, and that made him realize that he wasn’t getting the facts.
*Rather than providing a daily briefing on the situation, the officers provided him with a written “newspaper”, intended only for the emperor, that purported to describe recent events of concern. As evidenced by the story in question, this newspaper bore only a tenuous relationship to reality, and was doctored to make the government decisions look like the right course of action.
Ibidem (541300) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:24 pm61. The historian Dana (f6a568) — 12/3/2014 @ 9:33 am
It was a giant bluff.
Sammy Finkelman (688d8d) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:32 pmIbidem #70 –
Alastor (2e7f9f) — 12/3/2014 @ 2:50 pmIbidem #70 –
This is irritatingly reminiscent of a certain naked Emperor who keeps learning about problems in His Government from the media, is it not ?
Alastor (2e7f9f) — 12/3/2014 @ 3:13 pmCertainly too close for comfort.
askeptic (efcf22) — 12/3/2014 @ 3:23 pmBeldar, your war analogy is why it’s appropriate to publish journalists’ names, addresses, facebook pages, etc., when they will not cease and desist from doing the same to others.
In the Law Of Armed Conflict the concept is called Reprisal. You can’t prosecute an enemy for violating the LOAC while they remain armed combatants in the field. When you have a violation and its something that won’t ever see the inside of a courtroom you need other means to enforce good behavior on the battlefield. So the LOAC permits combatants to perform acts of reprisal to enforce an enemy’s compliance with the LOAC. The act of reprisal is an act that would otherwise be illegal but for the enemies prior unlawful act. That makes the act of reprisal entirely legitimate.
Which is why I am on the other side of this.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/3/2014 @ 5:20 pmAlastor, to an extent it is reminiscent, but I had thought about something slightly different:
the fact that a Certain Commander-in-Chief gets his daily briefings exclusively in written form.
Also, there’s the fact that the Emperor of Japan promptly got rid of his administration and ordered surrender.
Ibidem (541300) — 12/3/2014 @ 5:40 pmThe point of this exercise is to demonstrate to reporters that they do not have a monopoly on the Press, and that if they violate the established rules of civility there is an almost 100% chance that one of the people they piss off will retaliate in kind.
One does not have to like the result, but one cannot say they are shocked by it.
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Note: this differs from the Facebook post thing in that writing in the NY Times is intended for a wide audience and is in no way a personal act.
Kevin M (d91a9f) — 12/3/2014 @ 6:05 pmI live less than a mile from Julie Bosman. It is tempting to pay her a visit but as she lives in an apartment building the other tenants don’t deserve what should be dished out to Bosman. It is interesting that she is getting attention for this in decidedly lefty Chicago. I am glad there is pay back for her and her fellow NYT reporter.
nk,they moved the 20th District HQ about 10 years ago and it is now on Lincoln Avenue. The one where you were was probably the one on Foster.
Ipso Fatso (10964d) — 12/4/2014 @ 5:45 amKaiserDerden: You’ll have to troll a lot harder than that to get a rise from me.
Beldar (fa637a) — 12/4/2014 @ 8:02 amKaiserDerden:
The article you may wish to read, if you have not yet done so, is “Thank God for the Atomic Bomb,” published over a decade ago in the New republic if I recall correctly. The bottom line of that piece, was that the men most at risk from future weeks of war were grateful for the bomb, as were their relatives back home.
Those at a distance, and less inclined to be killed or maimed if the war went on, could afford to be daintily upset: after all, it was not of immediate importance to them. Academics in the US, then and now, were the most removed, and essentially favored the further wasting of their fellow citizens in the military, with continued weeks of war, before dropping the bombs that ended it all. The most prominent contemporary critics of the bomb drops were either children, or not even born when it occurred.
The bomb drops ended a war the Japanese started, and during which they raped, bayoneted, starved and shot millions of Chinese and Koreans, not to mention the savage treatment of allied POWs. They saved US and allied POW’s, US soldiers, and probably hundreds of thousands of Japanese from starvation or other deaths that would have resulted from a blockade or an invasion.
The US has no reason to apologize, particularly knowing that the Japanese would not have hesitated to use one on us. There was a good and bad side to the war, despite all efforts to obfuscate that simple fact: we were the good guys. We had a right to end it with as few US casualties as possible. The culprit was the Japanese military and the emperor, who refused to surrender until they had to. Its OK to blame them: anyone alive then could have told you.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82) — 12/4/2014 @ 9:01 amSo long as the NYT reporter only has to deal with phone calls and food deliveries, I can’t get worked up about this. It reminds her that she is just as human and vulnerable as Darrell Wilson and operates as a deterrent to other reporters who don’t seem to understand the line between “newsworthy” and “invitation to harassment.”
bridget (5ed8f8) — 12/4/2014 @ 9:38 amThe New Republic is a good place to start. But if you really want to understand why the US has no reason to apologize, read this book.
http://www.amazon.com/Hell-Pay-Operation-Downfall-1945-1947/dp/1591143160/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1417714118&sr=1-2&keywords=downfall+japan
Were it not for the bomb, I probably wouldn’t be there (OK, I realize that’s not a selling point for anyone but me). My dad was already in the Pacific in 1945. And if anyone else’s dad just barely missed the war, that’s because of the bomb. A land invasion would have added another two years.
General MacArthur’s Chief Surgeon, who did the medical planning for the invasion, would have needed his very own air force and navy just to supply the casualties with blood and plasma. The anticipated casualties were staggering. And staggering though they were, the planning would have fell short because the figures were based upon casualty figures from earlier in the island hopping campaign. The Japanese learned as we went. Every time we took an island, the casualty rate went up. So by the time we invaded Okinawa, the medical planning was already superseded by events. But the effort would have been so gargantuan that the planning and preparation had to start so much earlier.
Here are some excerpts from the synopsis for the book.
One of the takeaways is that we still would have used the atom bomb. GEN Marshall insisted on it, because without the tactical use of the atom bomb the casualty rate would have been even higher. Keep in mind, no one really understood the effects of radiation at that time.
Another is that the Japanese had anticipated and planned for our every move almost down to the final detail. By the time we landed on Okinawa they had studied our amphibious operations. They knew the capabilities of our forces. They knew what types of beaches we preferred for landings.
The Japanese Imperial Army and Naval Staffs were tasked, after their surrender, to provide us with their detailed plans for the defense of their home islands. It’s chilling. It isn’t like they were privy to our planning. But not only did they know we would have to land on Kyushu first. They knew exactly where on Kyushu we’d land. The same for Honshu.
The final takeaway? Words can’t describe what the invasion of Japan would have looked like. Be very glad we dropped those two bombs. Be very glad the Emperor made those fanatics surrender.
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/4/2014 @ 10:12 am*…I probably wouldn’t be
Steve57 (c4b0b3) — 12/4/2014 @ 10:13 amtherehere…Steve57: Stop confusing people with the facts, and even more, stop asking them to be loyal to the US, as they are “Citizens of the world.”
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82) — 12/4/2014 @ 12:50 pmTit-for-tat is an excellent teaching tool. Parents use it with their children all the time.
Just A Guy (08458e) — 12/5/2014 @ 3:04 pm