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Ferguson: Darren Wilson Interview And National Guard Delay

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:13 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Darren Wilson was interviewed today at a secret location by ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos:

Wilson said that Brown reached into his police car and grabbed for his gun, causing Wilson to fear for his life.

“All I wanted to do was live,” said Wilson, who the grand jury declined to indict in connection with the fatal shooting in August.

About his struggle with Brown:

“I didn’t know if I’d be able to withstand another hit like that,” Wilson said.

“I had reached out my window with my right hand to grab onto his forearm ’cause I was gonna try and move him back and get out of the car to where I’m no longer trapped,” Wilson said.

“I just felt the immense power that he had. And then the way I’ve described it is it was like a 5-year-old holding onto Hulk Hogan. That’s just how big this man was,” Wilson said.


When asked if he would be haunted by the incident, Wilson said, “I don’t think it’s a haunting; it’s always going to be something that happened.”

“The reason I have a clean conscience is I know I did my job right,” he said.

Wilson said he asked himself if he could legally shoot Brown. “I thought, ‘I have to. If I don’t, he will kill me if he gets to me.’ “

Today hundreds more National Guard troops have been deployed to Ferguson. Although 700 National Guard troops were deployed Monday, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles is questioning the delay last night, stating the National Guard “was not deployed in enough time to save all of our businesses.” (The damage count after last night’s rioting: a dozen Ferguson buildings burned and 61 people were arrested on charges including burglary, illegal weapons possession and unlawful assembly.)

“The decision to delay the deployment of the National Guard is deeply concerning,” Knowles told a news conference. “We are asking that the governor make available and deploy all necessary resources to prevent the further destruction of property and the preservation of life in the city of Ferguson.”

The mayor is not the only one questioning the delay:

“Here’s my question that the governor must answer,” Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder said today. “Is the reason that the national guard was not in there is because the Obama administration and the Holder Justice Department leaned on you to keep them out?”

Kinder noted that the Guard had been sent to other locations in the region. “I cannot imagine any other reason why the governor who mobilized the National Guard would not have them in (to Ferguson) to stop this, before it started,” he said.

It is no secret that the president was caught off guard and less than happy when Gov. Nixon deployed Guard troops in August at the time of Brown’s death, and last week, Eric Holder voiced his criticism of Gov. Nixon’s decision to call up the National Guard. Perhaps after seeing the night of violence, Holder, who was “disappointed” by the actions of some, might see the increased and immediate need for Guard troops:

“It is clear, I think, that acts of violence threaten to drown out those who have legitimate voices, legitimate demonstrators,” Holder told reporters. “Those acts of violence cannot and will not be condoned.”

Gov. Nixon said that more 2,200 National Guardsmen will be in the Ferguson area tonight.


Added: From commenter seeRpea comes this letter from Ronald T. Hasko, President of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund and Former Assistant Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to President Obama entreating him to reengage with the law enforcement community in light of the chasm between the administration and the men and women who serve and protect, including in Ferguson. In part:

…The growing divide between the police and the people – perhaps best characterized by protesters in Ferguson, Mo., who angrily chanted, “It’s not black or white. It’s blue!” – only benefits of members of a political class seeking to vilify law enforcement for other societal failures. This puts our communities at greater risk, especially the most vulnerable among us.

Your attorney general, Eric Holder, is chief among the antagonists. During his tenure as the head of the Department of Justice, Mr. Holder claims to have investigated twice as many police and police departments as any of his predecessors. Of course, this includes his ill-timed decision to launch a full investigation into the Ferguson Police Department at the height of racial tensions in that community, throwing gasoline on a fire that was already burning. Many officers were disgusted by such a transparent political maneuver at a time when presidential and attorney general leadership could have calmed a truly chaotic situation.

It won’t be long before the American people turn their attention to other matters. Long after Ferguson is forgotten, police officers across America will still remember the way their senior federal executives turned their back on them with oft-repeated suggestions that race-based policing drives a biased, broken law enforcement agenda.

102 Responses to “Ferguson: Darren Wilson Interview And National Guard Delay”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. Hello. TFG, leading from behind again. It’s what he does.

    Gazzer (cb9ee2)

  3. Even more than President Obama Eric Holder has been an absolute disaster for race relations in this country. Both he and the president knew darn well there would be rioting last night and clearly they thought it needed to be allowed happen to “clear the air” a bit. Well, the optics of that didn’t look so good to America after all. Legitimate questions have been raised about why the Guard wasn’t used and the wisdom of just letting ‘er burn last night. Getting control of the situation now is going to be harder–not easier.

    elissa (d22714)

  4. wow, Holden really has no decency.

    seeRpea (ff2cfe)

  5. I must say, I am disgusted by everyone who says we need to have “a discussion over these issues”.
    The discussion is real easy, if you pick a fight with a cop, or someone else who has a gun to defend himself, don’t be surprised if you get shot.
    Now, if you want to have another discussion about something else after that, go right ahead.
    That was the one thing I did not like about the DA’s speech last night, but I understand why he thought he needed to say it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  6. Barack Obama could also get his lapdog media to change the subject and cool the racist rhetoric down a notch or two if he really wanted to. The journolist is alive and well and the individuals always have their ears perked waiting for their directions and treats.

    elissa (d22714)

  7. I actually think we do need to have a national discussion. But it needs to be about responsibility, morality, decency and obligations of citizenship– and not tied to race.

    elissa (d22714)

  8. i’d be really annoyed if I were a guardsman spending thanksgiving away from home just cause a bunch of fergdorks don’t know how to behave like normal people

    plus it would be boring and I don’t have like a gameboy or anything so I’d just have to spend the time reading kindle books

    and I have no idea what you’d do there for dinner

    but I guess I’d find out huh

    happyfeet (831175)

  9. 4. wow, Holden really has no decency.

    seeRpea (ff2cfe) — 11/25/2014 @ 7:33 pm

    Why should he when depravity and dishonestly have always worked so well for him and his agenda?

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  10. His “resignation” last month was kind of a farce, wasn’t it, Steve57?

    elissa (d22714)

  11. don’t laugh but today I wore my steel toes just for in case I encountered a social justice type situation in which my participation was requested

    but it was just a normal day

    i got cocoa at xoco – it was the kind what tastes like they just mixered up cocoa and some spices with corn starch but still it was very pleasant and not at all super-expensive

    happyfeet (831175)

  12. I actually think we do need to have a national discussion. But it needs to be about responsibility, morality, decency and obligations of citizenship– and not tied to race.

    I agree, elissa, however we both know that it is virtually impossible for it not to be tied to race. For one, our president won’t allow it to be. Further, there are too many stakeholders, profiteers and race baiters involved and would never, ever let it be otherwise. It’s an awful shame, too, because it does not allow for people to be judged by their character and principles as individuals.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  13. I actually think we do need to have a national discussion. But it needs to be about responsibility, morality, decency and obligations of citizenship– and not tied to race.

    While we’re at it, can we have one about replacing county governments with metropolitan authorities in densely settled areas, one about merging municipal police departments into metropolitan forces, one about optimal deployment of police forces, one about full and proper staffing of police forces, and one about best practices in policing slums?

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  14. 7. I actually think we do need to have a national discussion. But it needs to be about responsibility, morality, decency and obligations of citizenship– and not tied to race.

    elissa (d22714) — 11/25/2014 @ 7:40 pm

    And you need to check your privilege and shut up and listen, elissa.

    No, I’m not joking. I’m just prepping you for how what you’re saying is going to go over.

    A reading from the Trinity United Church of Christ’s Black Value System. You remember; the church where he met his pastor and spiritual mentor, the one him who taught him how to read the Bible?

    Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.” Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control. Proverbs 3:13-14 – Happy are those who find wisdom and those who gain understanding, for her income is better than silver and her revenue better than gold.Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

    Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
    Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
    Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
    So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

    Why should they set into the snare you are setting for them, elissa? Those things you are talking about are white middle class values and white middle class morality. Those are the tools of the white power structure that would enslave them.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  15. I’m not sure I like the idea of Ben Carson running for President, but he sure gives a different take on the race discussion then President Obama.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  16. 12. …we both know that it is virtually impossible for it not to be tied to race…

    Dana (8e74ce) — 11/25/2014 @ 8:04 pm

    You can’t see that it’s always about race because your white privilege blinds you to reality.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  17. 10. His “resignation” last month was kind of a farce, wasn’t it, Steve57?

    elissa (d22714) — 11/25/2014 @ 8:01 pm

    Yes it was. Just like every other aspect of this freak show called the Obama administration, elissa.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  18. Um, Steve57, you forget who you are talking to.

    But you are making me laugh!

    Dana (8e74ce)

  19. Too bad this didn’t get more pub when it was delivered –

    seeRpea (ff2cfe)

  20. Boy, seeRpea, that is a powerful letter. I didn’t know about it. I’m going to add it to the post as it’s insightful to hear from those who protect and defend, including in Ferguson.

    Dana (8e74ce)


    White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack

    The national “discussion” will not go as one might hope.

    This article is now considered a ‘classic’ by anti-racist educators. It has been used in workshops and classes throughout the United States and Canada for many years. While people of color have described for years how whites benefit from unearned privileges, this is one of the first articles written by a white person on the topics…

    …Through work to bring materials from Women’s Studies into the rest of the curriculum, I have often noticed men’s unwillingness to grant that they are over privileged, even though they may grant that women are disadvantaged. They may say they will work to improve women’s status, in the society, the university, or the curriculum, but they can’t or won’t support the idea of lessening men’s. Denials, which amount to taboos, surround the subject of advantages, which men gain from women’s disadvantages. These denials protect male privilege from being fully acknowledged, lessened or ended.

    In all seriousness, you only want to talk about what you want to talk about because you are in denial about the real problem. Your overprivilege.

    In fact, the idea you can set the agenda and say what the discussion needs to be about is just another manifestation of white privilege. Who are you, the oppressor, to dictate to the oppressed what we’re going to talk about?

    That’s white supremacy in action, right there.

    I’m not being sarcastic. As Orwell said, some ideas are so obviously wrong only a very educated person could believe them. No ordinary man could. The concept of white privilege which means to have an opinion on race if you’re white is proof positive of your racism is one such idea.

    The following is not satire. This is what a US education really produces.

    Last weekend, my housemate and I were mugged at gunpoint while walking home from Dupont Circle. The entire incident lasted under a minute, as I was forced to the floor, handed over my phone and was patted down.

    And yet, when a reporter asked whether I was surprised that this happened in Georgetown, I immediately answered: “Not at all.” It was so clear to me that we live in the most privileged neighborhood within a city that has historically been, and continues to be, harshly unequal. While we aren’t often confronted by this stark reality west of Rock Creek Park, the economic inequality is very real.

    …When I walk around at 2 a.m., nobody looks at me suspiciously, and police don’t ask me any questions. I wonder if our attackers could say the same.

    Who am I to stand from my perch of privilege, surrounded by million-dollar homes and paying for a $60,000 education, to condemn these young men as “thugs?” It’s precisely this kind of “otherization” that fuels the problem.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  22. 18. Um, Steve57, you forget who you are talking to.

    But you are making me laugh!

    Dana (8e74ce) — 11/25/2014 @ 8:12 pm

    I couldn’t keep a straight face either.

    But these other people, they’re actually no kidding serious. I suppose the main characters in the theater of the absurd aren’t supposed to recognize that the play is absurd. Or even that they’re players in it.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  23. Here’s another one in the annals of the self-awareness- challenged. A church affiliated with the Brown family was torched last night. But the pastor is sure it was White Supremacists who did it– he says it was not part of the arson accompanying the fiery violence that erupted elsewhere in the community by Brown supporters.

    elissa (d22714)

  24. 23; Might just be a straight up case of Jewish lightning.

    Gazzer (cb9ee2)

  25. That’s silly, elissa. We all know it was the Joooooz. A guy from Hamas who was offering moral support to the people of Ferguson sez so.

    The other guy, Oliver Friedfeld (a senior in the School of Foreign Service no less), who wrote “I Was Mugged, And I Understand Why” in the student newspaper actually wrote this:

    …The millennial generation is taking over the reins of the world, and thus we are presented with a wonderful opportunity to right some of the wrongs of the past. As young people, we need to devote real energy to solving what are collective challenges. Until we do so, we should get comfortable with sporadic muggings and break-ins. I can hardly blame them. The cards are all in our hands, and we’re not playing them.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  26. Steve, you do not understand how deep the rot goes. For those people, to be white is to be a racist, to be male is to be sexist, etc.

    kishnevi (a5d1b9)

  27. Who does the base go in the case of a tie, Gazzer?

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  28. kishnevi, the only reason Darren Wilson didn’t want to be killed by Michael Brown is because Brown was Black.

    Being killed by someone named Michael Brown would have been a little slice of heaven as far as Wilson is concerned, had Brown been a blond, blue-eyed Aryan.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  29. What can anyone say to these people ? They are fools and liars and they don’t even realize how silly they sound. Black students from overseas have learned to avoid American blacks. They think they are crazy.

    I have had a number of black foreign medical students. They do well, even when they are too poor to buy a laptop, which now replaces the microscope for medical students. I have had several American black students. The only one who did well played water polo in college. That is sort of an indicator.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  30. umm, just want to make sure that it is understood i had found a link to the letter but
    not the letter itself. sorry, don’t remember where i found the link.
    And remember folks, the Holden DOJ investigation of the Ferguson PD is continuing.

    seeRpea (ff2cfe)

  31. I’m not getting your reference Steve57. Maybe I am dense tonight?

    Gazzer (cb9ee2)

  32. Well that Oliver Friedfeld dips#it is welcome to “take some for the team” if he wishes. I think that level of guilt is awfully silly and he will probably end up in a Rachel Corrie situation sooner or later.

    elissa (d22714)

  33. The way a case of such obvious self-defense has been politicized by the usual suspects (hello, leftwingers!) is disgusting.

    What’s even more pathetic (and ironic) is there was an instance of a person (a black guy, btw) being shot and killed a few months ago in the nearby jurisdiction of St Louis, which I believe Patterico even pointed out in one of his blog entries. That person was unarmed — and had his arms raised while taunting the police to shoot him — and several feet away from the cop who fired quite a few times. If a situation deserves some benefit of the doubt for commotion coming from the police brutality” crowd, that would be it. But it figures that people of the left are ass-backwards in so many instances — then or now — raising a peep when they should keep it zipped, and AWOL when they perhaps deserve some attention.

    Mark (c160ec)

  34. Gazzer, I was referring to the fact that when the black pastor blamed the white supremacists for the arson, we both immediately knew ultimately the Jews would get blamed somehow. It’s just how these conspiracy cultists roll. To the paranoid mind the Jews are behind everything.

    And we both posted the same general thought at the same moment.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  35. Steve, gotcha.

    Gazzer (cb9ee2)


    …4:29 pm – New York Times Publishes Name of Street Darren Wilson Lives On

    Breitbart News will not link the story or give out the specific information, but the New York Times had no qualms whatsoever about publishing almost all the information needed for Officer Darren Wilson’s enemies to track him and his wife down at home:

    Officer Wilson and [his wife] own a home together on XXXXXXX Lane in XXXXXXXXXX, Mo., a St. Louis suburb about a half-hour drive from Ferguson.

    This malicious move by the New York Times has not gone unnoticed by Ferguson’s protesters:…

    He’s not wrong. The LHMFM really is that vile.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  37. Sorry. I had two tabs open and cut and paste into the wrong one. I meant to comment here:

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  38. 36-
    And the info on the two NYT reporters who outed Wilson and his wife can be found here.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  39. Officer Wilson was paid “mid to high six figures” for the ABC interview. Same source as askeptic.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  40. Governor Nixon’s apparent decision to withhold National Guard protection for Ferguson reminds me that the Governor of New Jersey was accused of reducing the number of toll booths serving Fort Lee commuters on the George Washington Bridge on 9/13/2013. I seem to recall that the lane closure story ran for months. It will be interesting to see if the LHMFM runs with the Nixon-Holder-Obola scandal. It will also be interesting to see if the LHMFM makes any attempt to connect the dots between the obstruction of roads and freeways by “protesters” with the deaths of patients in ambulences stuck in the resulting traffic jams, or the deaths of people trapped in burning buildings while the emergency response vehicles are trapped in the traffic jams.

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  41. askeptic, Julie Bosman and Campbell Robertson, the NYT reporters who outed Wilson and his wife, will no doubt exhibit great courage and restraint as they flee their homes and move back in with Mom and Dad. Much like the heroic student, Oliver Friedfeld, who understands that it is his lot in life to be a thug’s doormat. And Friedfeld is correct, he is the wave of the future of U. S. diplomacy. Benghazi was not a bug, it was a feature. Henceforth, we can dispense with the Marine guards entirely and just let the wogs run amuck over our foreign service. It is Karma. After all, isn’t this our policy with respect to our “sovereign” border?

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  42. If G.W.B. were president, perhaps all major cities would have burned.

    Perhaps these rioting ingrates should learn how to read. If they could read, they would be aware of THE FACTS.
    NEA-complete failure for the black race.

    mg (31009b)

  43. If one wants action, the GOP should begin impeachment proceedings on the DOJ starting with Holder and moving through all of Obama’s appointments. The GOP can redirect the issues even with the MSM’s Der Stürmer approach.

    cedarhill (d8feae)

  44. Officer Wilson was paid “mid to high six figures” for the ABC interview. Same source as askeptic.

    And when he’s paid off his legal bills, he’ll have left in the bank something on the order of the mid-to-low four figures.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  45. It’s just how these conspiracy cultists roll. To the paranoid mind the Jews are behind everything.

    I see you read the comboxes at the Unz Review as well.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  46. And when he’s paid off his legal bills, he’ll have left in the bank something on the order of the mid-to-low four figures.

    How did you get hold of his legal bills?

    nk (dbc370)

  47. Leaving aside that police officers 1) have “Bivens” insurance through their union or privately and 2) they are indemnified by their police departments/municipalities as a matter of course these days.

    But I’m curious. How do you know his legal bills?

    nk (dbc370)

  48. 45. It’s just how these conspiracy cultists roll. To the paranoid mind the Jews are behind everything.

    I see you read the comboxes at the Unz Review as well.

    Art Deco (ee8de5) — 11/26/2014 @ 5:21 am

    No, just the signs at Occupy Wall Street held by people who paid $150k to get degrees in Marxist ethnic and gender grievance studies identifying the real culprits behind the fact that employers weren’t throwing money and jobs at them.

    Steve57 (c4b0b3)

  49. re #67: the Holden DOJ will force the insurance companies not to pay for the legal bills caused by obviously race biased actions.
    the Holden DOJ investigation is ongoing …

    seeRpea (ff2cfe)

  50. I just heard on the Fox morning show, with the two girls, no desk so we can see their legs, They specifically said Officer Wilson wasn’t paid for the ABC appearance.
    Maybe I heard it wrong.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  51. From what I understand Edward R. Murrow almost never showed his legs on TV. Just sayin’.

    elissa (bfb71d)

  52. Normally I am against this whole doxing thing. But when NYT does it so blatantly, it’s time for mirroring their tactics right back at them. I am glad it has been done.

    Dan (00fc90)

  53. Someone should get a FOIA in on all emails between DOJ and Gov Nixon.

    Be interesting to see what was said about the first call out of the National Guard and the non action of the Guard when the no bill came out.

    Dan (00fc90)

  54. Oops there goes another hard drive.

    SarahW (267b14)

  55. 42. Emotion trumps reason, perception invalidates facts, rage is primary–a lawless society enables its weak, its disturbed, its vermin their day in front of the cameras.

    DNF (3b2963)

  56. That quote about the National Guard was from the Lt. Governor. If he was really concerned, instead of posing for TV, why didn’t he ask the governor directly?

    kishnevi (3719b7)

  57. Missouri Governor Nixon has some inconvenient questions to answer:

    1. Why did he decide to wait till after dark to announce the Grand Jury’s decision?

    2. Why did he call out the National Guard and then make sure they weren’t in position to deter rioting?

    3. How do Governor Nixon’s efforts to facilitate the riot serve the interests of the people he was elected to serve?

    ropelight (74bd0d)

  58. 56, 57. Nixon is evidently not clear on the concept. Regardless of why he chose to hold the Guard back in front of the State offices, when accused of kowtowing to the Feds self-preservation demands that one runs to the ready defense.

    Darwin is not mocked.

    DNF (3b2963)

  59. Oops there goes another hard drive.
    SarahW (267b14) — 11/26/2014 @ 6:48 am

    I had the same thought. Considering the precedents, this would be a smoking gun.

    Besides, it’s really hard to purge all the backups, DR sites, etc. Ask IRS.

    Dan (00fc90)

  60. This is the most recent article I can find on the status of the Wilson Defense Fund

    kishnevi (a5d1b9)

  61. elissa (d22714) — 11/25/2014 @ 8:01 pm

    His “resignation” last month was kind of a farce, wasn’t it, Steve57?

    I think is resignation was real – he never originally intended to stay this long – he’s losing lots of money he could make.

    But the resignation was done in such a way so as to almost force the Republicans (if, as was very possible, they gained a majority in the Senate) to confirm his successor.

    And if not, maybe they would get the lame duck Senate would confirm the nominee.

    The same tactic is being used with Secretary of Defense.

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  62. #56: kishnevi, the Lt. Governor said that the mayor had attempted to contact the Governor and various members of his staff begging for help from the National Guard and no one would return his phone calls. The mayor ended up calling the Lt. Governor in the early morning, but the Lt. Governor has no authority to order the N. G. nor did he know where Nixon was hiding out. All in all, this was just your typical Obola screwup.

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  63. It is no secret that the president was caught off guard and less than happy when Gov. Nixon deployed Guard troops in August at the time of Brown’s death, and last week, Eric Holder voiced his criticism of Gov. Nixon’s decision to call up the National Guard.

    I just noticed that segment of Dana’s blog entry and am now disgusted beyond the breaking point. If it was possible to be even more contemptuous of what’s going on in this society and the current presidency, to a level now just one notch below the way I feel about the people running places like Venezuela, I’ve just reached it. Given current trends, it’s only a matter of time when that disgust will reach parity with the scorn one should have for Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela or Cristina Kirchner of Argentina, or the lack of respect one should have for a nation similar to an always-dysfunctional Mexico.

    Describing the US as the world’s biggest banana republic is no longer merely a quip or just pure sarcasm.

    Mark (c160ec)

  64. Obola’s legacy: willfully malignant mendacity disguised as mindless incompetence.

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  65. Holder’s “resignation” was pure political theater to get his malignant presence off the table as a 2014 midterm issue. The assurance both to and by the WH that he would “stay on” until a replacement was found and confirmed” was the clue. Cabinet officials regularly walk out the door either by force or to take other positions and upon their departure their departments are temporarily serviced by deputies/career employees.

    elissa (bfb71d)

  66. Obama really is serious about replacing Eric Holder with Loretta Lynch.

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  67. 64. Yeppers.

    DNF (3b2963)

  68. Obama really is serious about replacing Eric Holder with Loretta Lynch.
    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed) — 11/26/2014 @ 7:50 am

    And then the lynchings will really start.

    Dan (00fc90)

  69. Missouri Governor Nixon has some inconvenient questions to answer:

    Not my trade, but the governor and his minions have seemed dithering and ineffectual. There seems to be some sort of 10th planet operating there.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  70. Now that these businesses have been sacrificed on the altar of political correctness Obama will be able to arrive with a check in hand to rebuild and heal the community.

    crazy (cde091)

  71. Slight spin on “we had to burn the town to save the town?”

    Dan (00fc90)

  72. As a replacement for our current racist Attorney General, how about Kathleen Sabelius or if she’s unavailable there’s always either Susan Rice or Lois Lerner. All 3 have demonstrated the essential qualifications to become Obama’s new cat’s paw, they’ve proved themselves subservient, reliably obedient, tight lipped, and yellow dog loyal (to him), and oblivious to the interests of American citizens.

    ropelight (74bd0d)

  73. Anyone giving odds that the black man found shot and burned in a car outside the apartment building that faces the street where Brown attacked Wilson was one of the “secret” grand jury witnesses who recanted their inflamatory statements?

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  74. It’s Holder who wanted to quit (because he’s probably spending his savings)

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  75. Bobathome…thanks for the background information.

    But if the LT. GOV. doesn’t know how to get hold of the GOV. or members of his staff, than something is seriously screwed up with the GOV., or the two don’t get along, or both. (I vote for both.)

    kishnevi (09ffe8)

  76. 73. We’ll find out pretty soon.

    In any case, it’s pretty clear to me that Michael Brown was part of something much bigger.

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  77. #76, Yes, Sammy, Big Mike Brown was part of the fastest growing crime cohort in America, Black, fatherless, raised on welfare by single mothers, coddled in public schools, taught to be angry and entitled, viciously violent, alcohol and drug dependent, racist, armed, criminals. Up front, in your face, and spolin’ for a fight with whitey.

    ropelight (74bd0d)

  78. ropelight (74bd0d) — 11/26/2014 @ 9:07 am

    Big Mike Brown was part of the fastest growing crime cohort in America,

    That’s been shrinking since about 1990, although I think Al Sharpton is trying to restart growth.

    Black, fatherless, raised on welfare by single mothers, coddled in public schools, taught to be angry and entitled, viciously violent, alcohol and drug dependent, racist, armed, criminals. Up front, in your face, and spolin’ for a fight with whitey.

    My own feeling is, I think he was affiliated with some sort of organized crime.

    You are describing people acting atomistically. (why does FireFox,with its built in spelling checker, claim that is not a correctly spelled word?. I checked with Google, and it is.)

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  79. This s really for another thread, but I described here once what the juno e-mail spelling checker suggested as a correction for “Google”

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  80. “…You are describing people acting atomistically….”

    There is great ironic humor in this statement.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  81. Once the prosecutor’s office turned over grand jury information to the Justice Department, the identities of witnesses and their testimony could easily be revealed to protest leaders and the doors to violent retaliation opened wide.

    The dead and burned body of 20 year old DeAndre Joshua, a friend of both Big Mike and Dorian Johnson was found after a night of rioting near the site of Brown’s death. DeAndre seems to fit the profile of one of the grand jury witnesses who testified Officer Wilson’s account of the encounter matched what DeAndre knew happened.

    ropelight (74bd0d)

  82. Jason Riley has an opinion piece in the WSJ today echoing the sentiments made by Rudy Giuliani Sunday on Meet The Depressed which got him accused of being a White Supremicist by race baiter Michael Eric Dyson. Such sentiments are not helpful in this lecture this nation of cowards is supposed to listen to on race:

    “We now know that Michael Brown was much more of a menace than a martyr, but that won’t stop liberals from pushing an anti-police narrative that harms the black poor in the name of helping them.

    The black teen in Ferguson, Mo., robbed a store, attacked a white police officer and was shot dead while resisting arrest. That was the conclusion of a St. Louis County grand jury that brought no charges against the officer after considering all the physical evidence, along with eyewitness accounts from blacks in the vicinity of the confrontation.

    Not that any amount of evidence would have stopped the hooligans in Ferguson Monday night who were determined use Brown’s death as a pretext for more bad behavior. Nor will evidence thwart liberals who are bent on making excuses for black criminality and pretending that police shootings are responsible for America’s high black body count.

    According to the FBI, homicide is the leading cause of death among young black men, who are 10 times more likely than their white counterparts to be murdered. And while you’d never know it watching MSNBC, the police are not to blame. Blacks are just 13% of the population but responsible for a majority of all murders in the U.S., and more than 90% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks. Liberals like to point out that most whites are killed by other whites, too. That’s true but beside the point given that the white crime rate is so much lower than the black rate.

    Blacks commit violent crimes at 7 to 10 times the rate that whites do. The fact that their victims tend to be of the same race suggests that young black men in the ghetto live in danger of being shot by each other, not cops. Nor is this a function of “over-policing” certain neighborhoods to juice black arrest rates. Research has long shown that the rate at which blacks are arrested is nearly identical to the rate at which crime victims identify blacks as their assailants. The police are in these communities because that’s where the emergency calls originate, and they spend much of their time trying to stop residents of the same race from harming one another.”


    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  83. Jason Riley has a new book out on race relations titled “Please Stop Helping Us”.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  84. I just wonder how close we are to Frederick Douglass’ “Third Box”?
    We seen to be having dismal results with #’s 1 & 2.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  85. Meh, the Jason Riley piece is behind the subscription wall. He is consistently good on race in America. The issue here is black criminality, not the behavior of cops.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  86. Sorry Dana

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  87. Dana, try the Google Search back-door.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  88. Got it, askeptic. Thanks.

    It’s interesting how reasonably and without emotion Riley presents his pov. To me, that makes his points more credible because *he* is not trying to sell me something, but rather is letting the facts and statistics make the points for him.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  89. And because of all that, he’s been read out of the NAACP.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  90. 89-….more….
    There are a limited number of people I grant pretty much absolute authority to at the Journal.
    Jason is one of those, Kim Strassel is another, as are Dan Henniger and Stuart Varney; though all members of their Ed-Board seem to have drunk the Kool-Aid on Immigration.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  91. From Jason Riley:

    Racial profiling and tensions between the police and poor black communities are real problems, but these are effects rather than causes, and they can’t be addressed without also addressing the extraordinarily high rates of black criminal behavior—yet such discussion remains taboo. Blacks who bring it up are sell-outs. Whites who mention it are racists.

    The claim is even made that the relatively high proportion number of blacks with a criminal record is an artifact – it’s not real – it doesn’t reflect an underlying reality.

    Now you could come up with super-racist “explanation” as to why these statistics are true, but there is no reason to. They also changed, and have changed, over time, and it wasn’t true at all in the 1920s..

    The claim is made that a black person is more likely to wind up in jail for a crime that a white person would not. The exact opposite is the truth That’s a big part of the reason theer is such a high crime rate.

    The number of people who have clear, error-free thinking, on this subject is not high.

    Some people blame this on single parenting. That is wrong. The crime preceded (and indeed caused) the illegitimacy.

    Now I would say the root cause of this was an alliance between parts of the Mafia and some dumb, naive liberals who reduced the penalties for crime, and policing, in what had become segregated black neighborhoods, starting in the 1930s, so that people could continue to steal to feed their heroin habits. This affected every part of the country.

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  92. The WSJ had a bad, or disappointing editorial though, yesterday, in which they said that the Brown family and President Obama offer the right response.

    No, they didn’t.

    Because no effort ws smade to debunk the claim taht theer was something wrong with the grand jury decision not to indict.

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  93. atomistically @78. 80. The way ropelight would have it, crime is atomistic – each individual on his own, maybe because of his backkground, but on his own, decided to be a criminal, when the most important factor is who or what his friends are, and what they are doing.

    This is called differential association.

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  94. It is true that people learn to be criminals in jail.

    But what is true of jails, is even more true of schools.

    Public schools anyway.

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  95. You all really should spend an afternoon or evening listening to MSNBC.

    JD (a13448)

  96. someday for sure i will i promise

    happyfeet (831175)

  97. i don’t care who you are

    i care about ferguson less than you

    and you can take that to the bank

    happyfeet (831175)

  98. Yesterday there was an excerpt on TV of Al Sharpton saying they should announced it in the morning.

    In the New York there was something (yesterday) about how some (unnamed and not well described) individuals wanted the announcement to be made on Sunday morning.

    Sammy Finkelman (f0d6ed)

  99. From what I understand Edward R. Murrow almost never showed his legs on TV. Just sayin’.

    elissa (bfb71d) — 11/26/2014 @ 6:20 am

    So we’ve made progress, right?

    Something to share with my homies. “And the crowd chanted Barabbas. Give us Barabbas…

    Naw. It’s good.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  100. The 2015 MO Legislature:
    Missouri State Senate elections, 2014
    Senate Partisan Breakdown: Democratic Party (9) Republican Party (23)
    Missouri House of Representatives elections, 2014
    House Partisan Breakdown: Democratic Party (52) Republican Party (109)

    Can the Governor of MO be impeached under the State Constitution?
    If he can, then he’s in more trouble than Flash Gordon.
    And the Lt.Gov. is a Republican.

    askeptic (efcf22)

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