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11/15/2014

News Journalist Told Pointing Out The Faulty Math Of Obamacare Was Disrespectful To The Office Of The President

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:15 pm



[guest post by Dana]

When the host of the Melissa Francis Money show on Fox Business worked at CNBC, she was reprimanded by her superiors for “disrespecting the office of the president.” And what did she do to warrant the rebuke? She pointed out the truth to viewers about Obamacare:

It’s shocking, but it actually doesn’t surprise me because when I was at CNBC, I pointed out to my viewers that the math of Obamacare simply didn’t work. Not the politics by the way. But just the basic math. And when I did that, I was silenced. I said on the air that you couldn’t add millions of people to the system and force insurance companies to cover their pre-existing conditions without raising the price on everyone else. I pointed out that it couldn’t possibly be true that if you like your plan, you can keep it.

A news journalist telling viewers the truth? Madness, just madness.

On a side note, six videos released so far, and yet a search of the Los Angeles Times website reveals they still have not reported on Grubergate.

–Dana

34 Responses to “News Journalist Told Pointing Out The Faulty Math Of Obamacare Was Disrespectful To The Office Of The President”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. Disrespectful and raaaaacist!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3. Gruber said they had no idea how to control the cost of medical care. Instead of a 2000 page bill to dance around the issue, that could be a achieved with a simple line.

    The hospitals must charge the insured and non-insured the same amount for service.

    DejectedHead (532aac)

  4. Good Morning, Dana.
    The L.A. Times knows what we should read and believe.
    They care about our future.
    Like a sow eating her farrow.

    mg (31009b)

  5. I said on the air that you couldn’t add millions of people to the system and force insurance companies to cover their pre-existing conditions without raising the price on everyone else. I pointed out that it couldn’t possibly be true that if you like your plan, you can keep it.

    It is worse than that.

    If the people were added to a pool that covered the 300 million in America, that would be one thing. You might not even notice. But they were added to a pool of about 5 million families who had to bear the ENTIRE burden, namely the self-employed.

    Kevin M (d91a9f)

  6. They’ll all get their comeuppance. The day of our country’s fiscal reckoning is near. When the September jobs numbers for 2012 came in at 863,000 to lower the unemployment rate below 7% I laughed like mad. Anyone believing any numbers coming out of any government agency these days is a d@mned fool—no exceptions!

    hadoop (657247)

  7. The hospitals must charge the insured and non-insured the same amount for service.

    They do. Then they discount differently depending on contract.

    Kevin M (d91a9f)

  8. Compromise people. We must learn to get along.

    DNF (7e0641)

  9. 8. Superb.

    DNF (7e0641)

  10. This isn’t startling as Bush (and possibly his dad) thinks that criticizing
    the President somehow diminishes the office.

    I guess we should also include defending oneself and ones policies as demeaning
    to the office as he failed to do during his administration. Interestingly to
    the detriment of the office AND the country.

    jakee308 (d409c2)

  11. It should be noted that CNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and NPR, as well as the Times newspapers of New York and Los Angeles, and many other media outlets, have yet to post a first prime-time story on Gruber.

    WaPo had a page one story after the first video, but it was headlined something like ‘Republicans try to use video for political gain’ or something similar.

    MSNBC let Gruber have as much time as he needed to explain it was just an off-the-cuff remark, he didn’t really mean it, slip of the tongue just like the previous video of him saying the states had to set exchanges because their people would get no subsidy through the federal exchange.

    Of course, that was before videos 2 through 6 came out. And the guy who found them – just by watching free online videos where Gruber is listed – says there are more, yet.

    Some slip o’ the old tongue, eh?

    – –

    But you know who else argued it was proper to lie and deceive stupid people to get big things done for their own good?

    Lenin.

    Estragon (ada867)

  12. From Sheryl Atkisson and from this woman you get what it looks like from the inside when your supervisors are Democratic operatives with editorial positions.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  13. Teh Dems are only people that want better lives and Republicans are socialists who run candidates that are fortuate sons of well-known politicians.

    Colonel Haiku (507862)

  14. Obama should get the same level of respect he shows those who have opinions that differ from his and who don’t think he’s all that and a bag of Cheetos®

    Colonel Haiku (507862)

  15. “Grubering” marries Obamacare and Global Warming – MSM serves as bridesmaid and best man.
    The term “grubering” is apparently entering our lexicon: “So now a new word has entered the national lexicon. If you buy a car that turns out to be a piece of junk, you’ve been “grubered”. A “gruberism” is a lie concocted by the left for the purpose of keeping voters in the dark, at least until the next election.”

    http://springeraz.blogspot.com

    WUWT notes that the term is especially relevant to “Global Warming”: “I think that no other word describes what we have seen in the climate debate quite as well as Grubering. The Climategate emails are full of discussions about how to “sell” the public on CAGW through a campaign of lies and exaggerations. There are many discussion about how the public could not possibly understand such a complex subject.”

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/201
    The MSM’s role in perpetuating these two frauds is undeniable. Because the MSM is ideologically in lock step with these two central-planning, power-grabbing, wealth redistributing schemes, it has aided and abetted their war against traditional American freedoms by utterly failing to vet any cockamamie belief put forward on their behalf. As I said previously, today’s MSM is a complete waste of a perfectly good First Amendment.

    Walter Cronanty (f48cd5)

  16. well Michael Shear had a piece deep inside, yesterday’s paper, doing their best ‘Chip Dillard’

    narciso (ee1f88)

  17. Re #6…yeah, I had the same reaction. “Are you freaking kidding me???” And since then there’s been only faint noises to the effect of ‘oh, there were some errors’ not ‘there was blatant lying going on to manipulate an election’. We need to find a garrulous in-love-with-his-own-voice Gruber equivalent in that department…

    rtrski (2e2489)

  18. I don’t like Jonathan Gruber. He looks and sounds just like a guy who’d want sex change operations covered by his health insurance policy.

    nk (dbc370)

  19. Gruber said they had no idea how to control the cost of medical care.

    The concept of a free market would never occur to these guys. Everything has to be central control and rewards and punishment.

    Unless Obamacare is over turned we are going to see the growth of a cash market in medicine for those who can afford it. It has always been there for the rich but now the upper middle class is losing its insurance and the incentives for doctors to drop out of all insurance is growing. It already exists in Canada.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  20. 19.I don’t like Jonathan Gruber. He looks and sounds just like a guy who’d want sex change operations covered by his health insurance policy.

    I think she already had one, nk.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  21. pro-tip: giving millions of dollars to a lying MIT whore is not how you bend the cost curve in the right direction

    happyfeet (831175)

  22. But happyfeet, it’s good work if you can get it.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  23. This contempt for their base should be thought of as their Achilles’ heel. It means that they must be estranged from the very people they rely on for their political power. The LA Slime, for example, appears to be operating under the presumption that if they don’t print it, then the boys and girls in their plantation will never learn about it. The question is what does the arrow look like that will exploit this weakness. The target is huge and thin-skinned. Our inability to discover this weapon is probably an indication that we are operating under a similar misunderstanding.

    bobathome (5d64cd)

  24. Why doesnt she name names? Who censored her honest reporting?

    JD (159494)

  25. Just checked the AZ Republic. Not one word of J Gruber. Mind you, this was the newspaper that didn’t mention Fast and Furious until it was an 18 month old story. And it was a local story, to boot.

    Gazzer (cb9ee2)

  26. #7. Yes, but the final sale point must be the same. With and without insurance.

    DejectedHead (532aac)

  27. The reaction of schadenfreude is well deserved, totally justified, when it comes to the economic withering of the media, particularly for print like the LA or NY Times, or Washington Post, etc. Of course, even if I liked the political slant of the MSM, they’d still be hurting due to changes in technology and culture. But some of that decline goes beyond the advent of home computers, and is mirrored in opinion surveys that show more Americans than ever before view the media as among the lowest of the low of industries or occupations in the US. And justifiably so.

    BTW, if the MSM were as ludicrously tilted to the right as they are to the left, I’d also feel very cynical towards or suspicious about them. Even more so if they were carrying water for instead of an ultra-liberal in the White House, an ultra-conservative one.

    Mark (c160ec)

  28. The president is disrespectful to the office of the president.

    jorgen (7136d2)

  29. DejectedHead (532aac) — 11/15/2014 @ 11:42 pm

    The hospitals must charge the insured and non-insured the same amount for service.

    They don;t charge even insured people the same amount – it depends on the deal they struck with each insurance company. By the way this is why it makes sense to run a charge through an insurance company even if you are far getting to adeductible – the insurance company will not pay, but you’ll be charged the price the insurabce company agreed to pay.

    What I thought was something like this: Charge at the 15th percentile or maybe adjust the percentile level depending on how much is insured and how much not. If only 20% of cases was paid for by insurance, you might set things up differently.

    That idea, would of course inituially drive up the cost of insurance.

    It is really best if people get afund to pay, and taht theer are several steps they can takle to increae the fund. At the point of purchase it only matters to 12% of medical bills what it costs.

    Therefore we get thinmgs like insurance companies not paying for an MRI unless an X-Ray was previously taken, although in the individual case you know an X-Ray is highly unlikely tp settle the matter. The cost of an MRI or a sonogram would also go way down.

    Sammy Finkelman (ae0b12)

  30. Gruber’s the kind of guy who … let’s have Gunny from “Full Metal Jacket” say it (NSFW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA_nV1NAfTs

    nk (dbc370)

  31. #30. Yeah, I know hospitals make deals with insurance companies and charge them all differently based on the deal. But the problem is that that is the source of the inflated pricing. If they must create a standard unit of sale, there would be cost controls. There is no reason hospitals need to charge an uninsured person $25 for a Tylenol pill and an insurance company $0.50. The Insurance companies even point out that the Hospital’s outrageous paymaster system is used as a base price during negotiations for the insurance cost agreements.

    If you deny them the ability to charge differently based on customers, then the prices overall would come down because they are so inflated.

    DejectedHead (532aac)

  32. lese majesty?

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  33. It should be noted that CNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and NPR, as well as the Times newspapers of New York and Los Angeles, and many other media outlets, have yet to post a first prime-time storyy

    Not true…CBS and NBC have run prime time stories on it. Shocking, I know. I figured they must be losing their religion or something.

    carol (6e33a2)


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