Patterico's Pontifications

10/31/2014

CDC Quietly Pulls “Droplets” Poster From Website

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:58 am

[guest post by Dana]

As Patterico posted about here, the CDC acknowledged earlier this week that Ebola can be spread through “droplets” (via a sneeze). You can see their now-scrubbed poster at link above.

Yesterday the CDC changed its mind:

The ​U.S. ​​Centers for Disease Control on Thursday yanked a poster off its Web site explaining how Ebola can be spread by contaminated droplets — from a sneeze for example — a day after The Post reported on the frightening revelation.

The fact sheet was taken off line, and a link that led to it a day before now sends viewers to a different page with a different message.

“The ​’​What’s the difference between infections spread through air or by droplets?​’​ ​f​act sheet is being updated and is currently unavailable. Please visit cdc.gov/Ebola for up-to-date information on Ebola,” it read​ Thursday​.

​Officials ​with the CDC ​remained mum on the issue, refusing to respond to questions for the original story and again on Thursday.

–Dana

74 Responses to “CDC Quietly Pulls “Droplets” Poster From Website”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. Oh, good grief. Can’t we expect this administration to do anything without falling over itself?

    David Crowley (970d6c)

  3. I think the CDC may have gotten a call from the IRS.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  4. I am not a clinician (I’m a software engineer) but I work at a hospital. Part of our yearly training is in the difference between airborne and droplet infection, and the precautions that need to be taken in each case. As I say, I’m not a clinicin, but even I know, for example, that an airborne infection needs a negative-air-flow room while a droplet-borne infection does not.

    Did I know the difference before I started to work in health care? Probably on some level, yes. But I realize that there are plenty of “Low-Information” people who don’t know the difference. So while techically Ebola isn’t (yet?) airborne, it is snot-borne and if you get the snot on you, you have a chance to get sick.

    What happened here is that the SCIENCE-worshipers (as opposed to the scientists) heard some clinician say “Ebola isn’t an airborne virus” and didn’t bother to define terms; they took it on faith that if it “wasn’t airborne” then it couldn’t travel through the air on a happy snot drop.

    Politics is about crafting messages and using words; this issue is a jargon collision between the clinical term “airborne” and the common one.

    If the CDC is scrubbing their SCIENCE to align with their POLITICS, we are doomed.

    Pious Agnostic (7eb3b0)

  5. They wouldn’t know COMPETENCE if they tripped over it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infections-spread-by-air-or-droplets.pdf

    The What’s the difference between infections spread through air or by droplets? Fact sheet is being updated and is currently unavailable. Please visit cdc.gov/Ebola for up-to-date information on Ebola.
    National Center

    I have to say that I thought Patterico was being a little paranoid about screencapping the poster “in case they pull it.” I was wrong.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  7. heh.

    The White House said on Thursday that it did not support the decision by a nurse in Maine to flout the voluntary quarantine imposed upon her by state authorities concerned about her exposure to Ebola.

    The spokesman for Barack Obama said that it was up to states to set their own public health rules, although he believed they should be guided by science, Josh Earnest told reporters during a briefing on Air Force One. Obama was campaigning in Maine.

    elissa (a5ecea)

  8. He’ll have more flexibility after the election.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. Lucidity now!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  10. The Obola administration is built on a foundation of lies that requires the low information voter to forget what was said from month to month. Crash a few hard drives, assign the survivors of a disaster to remote hell holes for a year or two, erase a webpage that contradicts the EarLeader, intimidate reporters with intrusive hacks demonstrating the reach of the administration’s wrath, delay inquiries by any means possible … preferrably more lies … and time will do it’s magic with the Democrat base and thus with the MFM which entertains these morons. The problem with lying about “SCIENCE”, which Obola regards as just another venue for purveying his baloney, is that reality, which is the subject of science, doesn’t forget. It just keeps rolling along. Obola probably expects this all to go away simply because that is the outcome that will be most beneficial for him. It appears to have worked for him every time he’s tried it because his measure of success is the forgetfulness of his base. This won’t work outside the narrow confines of what we call politics. That which can’t go on forever won’t.

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  11. 12. Well, the court hasn’t heard anything yet. A temporary order is going to be ased on who gets harmed more if they are right and they don’t get what they want.

    The 3-foot rule is the old CDC advice. It is 6-feet for extended periods.

    The 21-days coimes from the same people whom they don’t want to beleive when they say it is not necessary.

    Her quarantine would expire on November 10

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  12. I’m looking forward to the photo op of Kaci voting at her polling place next Tuesday.

    elissa (a5ecea)

  13. The Obola administration

    What are you, 9 years old? Grow up.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  14. Run out of midol carlitos?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  15. In what has become par for the course, it’s a new day with new CDC guidelines:

    UPDATE: 10/31/14, 7:41 a.m. — The CDC has added a new answer about coughing and sneezing to its Ebola Q&A. The new answer emphasizes that the virus doesn’t spread that way:

    Can Ebola be spread by coughing or sneezing?

    There is no evidence indicating that Ebola virus is spread by coughing or sneezing. Ebola virus is transmitted through direct contact with the blood or body fluids of a person who is sick with Ebola; the virus is not transmitted through the air (like measles virus). However, droplets (e.g., splashes or sprays) of respiratory or other secretions from a person who is sick with Ebola could be infectious, and therefore certain precautions (called standard, contact, and droplet precautions) are recommended for use in healthcare settings to prevent the transmission of Ebola virus from patients sick with Ebola to healthcare personnel and other patients or family members.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  16. Carlitos, I’ve enjoyed your often contrarian take on things as well as your unabashed cynicism as a long term commenter What I don’t get (and clearly I’m not alone) is your recent focus on bashing other commenters’ choice of words, or grammar, or their sources of information instead of engaging their points if/when you believe they are off base. Really, what’s that about? It feels and looks very elitist and hall monitor-ish. Is that what you are intending? Do you think all the rest of us are not able or not quite intellectually capable of drawing our own conclusions on the merits?

    elissa (a5ecea)

  17. DRJ (a83b8b) — 10/31/2014 @ 10:26 am

    That is getting more dishonest, not clarifying.

    Perhaps the author of the “Benghazi Talking Points” was consulted for assistance.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  18. I shouldn’t get involved, but …

    elissa: If carlitos has someone at home who supports Obama and those family members know you hang out here — perhaps because you’ve told them this is a conservative website that is fair to both sides — then seeing people call Obama names undermines you with your family members. In a way, it makes you look or feel bad (in your family’s eyes) for hanging out at a place where people do that.

    carlitos: I’m not trying to speak for you because I know you can do that, but please consider that when things get to the point where mature conservatives like bobathome are calling Obama names, it probably means there is widespread frustration with Obama and his policies — and frustration may be too weak a word. If my thoughts are anywhere near correct, please ask your family members to remember how frustrated they were during the Bush years and whether they consistently corrected people who made fun of him. I doubt they did, not because they aren’t good people but because they were so frustrated with what they felt was his risk-taking and extremism with the lives of our troops. Some of us are frustrated with Obama for the same reason. He’s a risk-taker and extremist with every American’s future.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  19. Here’s a link to the CDC’s Q&A page that matches my comment 18, MD. In other words, today’s version.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  20. point of order, DRJ.

    …because they were so frustrated with what they felt was his risk-taking and extremism with the lives of our troops.

    this would be, at best, an utterly dishonest excuse (par for the course for our leftard fellow residents) because more GI’s have died in Afghanistan during BamBam Obola’s 6 years in office than did under Bush’s Presidency, even though it was then that the initial invasion, etc, occurred.

    the Left just can’t stand facing their own tactics. personally, i give our #SCOAMF all the respect his performance in office has earned him. None. all that worthless POS has earned is my undying contempt.

    redc1c4 (589173)

  21. Can’t we expect this administration to do anything without falling over itself?

    no. i would have thought that six years of willful incompetence would have made that obvious to any intellectually honest person.

    redc1c4 (589173)

  22. W was held responsible for every act, commission and omission, the Dems played up the ‘Dixie chicks’ who were ashamed of their country, the claptrap from Michael Moore, Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, we know they are nazguls but they were given credibility, the precious blood spilled in Iraq and Afghanistan was squandered, Karzai was treated with a level of disrespect, akin to that applied to Netanyahu and he learned the lesson, the massive efforts conducted by the administration during Katrina, were regarded as akin to a crime, and the democrats campaigned on the bodies of those who drowned in the 9th ward and elsewhere, due to their negligence and corruption, and all of that was blamed on global warming, which hasn’t happened in 18 years

    narciso (ee1f88)

  23. DRJ — Thanks for trying to offer/add some perspective around the frustration. As you may be aware, Patterico himself actually deleted one of Carlitos’ comments this morning –and that’s saying something– because our highly tolerant host almost never does that.

    elissa (a5ecea)

  24. anyone wanna offer odds on the likelihood of the new “guidance” reflecting facts found in the new MIT study on the subject?

    personally, i figure i have a better chance of winning the lottery without buying a ticket than being told the truth by the First Failure and his flying monkeys of mendacity.

    redc1c4 (589173)

  25. I miss Chimpy McHitlerburton!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  26. carlitos: My thinking about Obama has matured over the last few years. He is a fraud, and transparently so. Consider, for example, the stooges in lab coats lending local color to his pronouncements yesterday. The President of the United States does not need these phony stage props. Obola apparently believes that his words won’t have the proper gravitas without them.

    Finding the right word to address him is an evolving challenge. I like Obola right now, but there’s two more years left in his reign, so this will surely change.

    The left has gained power by destroying the credibility of many decent men. The latest revelations about the 17 servicemen who were harmed by poison gas in Iraq after 2004 is an example of how these falsehoods are wholesaled to the public. You may recall “Bush lied, people died!” chant that was so prominent in 2006? I hope my words remind you that he is an empty suit, worthy of little more than contempt.

    The ball is in Obola’s court, and every day offers him a new chance to do something right. I hope he changes for the better. If he should, I will be more respectful. But flimflamery is not the road to something better. It is just more of the same.

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  27. 15 elissa (a5ecea) — 10/31/2014 @ 9:57 am

    .I’m looking forward to the photo op of Kaci voting at her polling place next Tuesday.

    It’s interesting that this issue hasn’t been mentioned.

    Here is maybe why:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-10-30/what-if-kaci-hickox-wants-to-vote

    Hickox does not appear to be registered to vote in Maine, where the governor would like her to remain at home through Nov. 10, the end of her 21-day quarantine. She is registered in Clark County, Nev., where she worked with the Centers for Disease Control in Las Vegas, though officials say she hasn’t applied for an absentee ballot.

    Bloomberg Then outlines 3 possible ways she could vote:

    1) Vote (absentee) in Fort Kent, Maine. But it is too late to re-register in Maine, isn’t it?

    2) Fly to Nevada. Or vote absentee there. She seeems to have no plans. And where is she living now, anyway?

    3) Contact Barack Obama, or the DNC, which is so anxious to increase turnout and have somebody arrange a way for her to vote. Or maybe she could be used as an object lesson in the next election on the necessity of re-registering when you move.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  28. I didn’t know that, elissa. Did Patterico delete the comment after someone pointed it out to him?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  29. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/31/2014 @ 10:33 am

    That is getting more dishonest, not clarifying.

    Well, they are clarifying what they were saying.

    All that about staying 3 or 6 feet feet away – that’s for someone known to have ebola. Or at least after there is a reason to suspect it.

    Not someone who might have been infected but hasn’t shown any symptoms yet.

    If they were more honest, they could say that getting ebola from contact with someone who might have been infected, but hasn’t yet shown any signs of having ebola, is an extremely low probability event, and people don’t normally worry about low probability events, so the possibility, of getting ebola from someone not showing any symptoms of ebola, while not non-existent, should be disregarded. Meaning any such infection should be regarded as a freak accident.

    And that’s the basis upon which they give all their advice for all diseases, not zero probability, but low.

    And there is ZERO probability of an epidemic starting that way.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  30. Since no one actually knows when the exact moment one becomes infectious, it would be prudent to be cautious rather than cavalier. If you’re a health care worker, quarantining yourself for the public good would be the best possible course of action.

    hadoop (f7d5ba)

  31. 33. hadoop (f7d5ba) — 10/31/2014 @ 11:29 am

    Since no one actually knows when the exact moment one becomes infectious, it would be prudent to be cautious rather than cavalier. If you’re a health careworker, quarantining yourself for the public good would be the best possible course of action.

    there probably is no exact moment, as it might depend on the degree of vulnerability and the number of vbirus particles and the probability of getting them inside your body, but the point where you get a reasonable chance of infections is probably well after symptoms first appear.

    Quarantining at the point of fever is already being very cautious.

    If you want more, then all the nurses in Bellevue now taking care of Dr. Spencer, should themselves be quarantined, because they might have become infected, and a maybe even people who have contact with them, and there’s no end to it.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  32. DRJ@ 11:30am–I have absolutely no idea what transpired nor do I know what Carlitos wrote because it was “disappeared”. (See O’Keefe thread then Patterico’s comment@ 11.)

    elissa (a5ecea)

  33. “Meaning any such infection should be regarded as a freak accident.”

    Sammy – I can’t find the words “freak accident” in the CDC’s guidance about Ebola transmission and precautions. Can you point me to the right spot please?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  34. Sammy, #34, you’re beginning to understand what concerns so many of us. If we continue down this path of loose or nonexistant quarantine, and if the geniuses at CDC are wrong about the ease of transmission of this disease, then there will be “no end to it.” The nurses and doctors who care for EVD patients should be quarantined. Not locked up or chained to the wall, but isolated from other nurses, doctors, and their families and friends. And this isolation should be well managed and as enjoyable as possible, perhaps with all expenses paid vacations after the crisis has passed. And they shouldn’t have to do more than a couple of tours of duty in these circumstances. If you recall the Dallas experience, you know why.

    I don’t know everyone who has come in contact with Kaci as she wandered around her community, but assume for argument’s sake, that she said hello to someone’s daughter or grand daughter. It’s now 10 days later and that daughter has a fever of 100F. What would you recommend: a rush to the ER with fears of EVD? Or let’s calm down and see what happens over a couple of days. Duncan died probably because he was forced by the ER to follow the latter path. Is this an acceptable cost? And if the daughter has EVD, how many will she expose to the disease while you’re waiting to see if things get better by waiting around for a couple of days. There is “no end” to this chain without quarantine.

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  35. What do we know for sure?

    We know that Dr. Spencer went to Africa, helped treat Ebola patients, came back apparently healthy, and then came down with the disease.
    We do not know if he picked up the disease while caring for patients and somehow isolation precautions were broken, or whether he got it from unknown exposure walking around in Liberia.

    So, we know that the risk for this nurse, or any other health care worker coming back from Africa after treating Ebola patients, is not zero, nor is it likely to be “negligible”, as it has already happened without that many opportunities.

    I imagine that the argument can be made that people involved in caring for Spencer, with current procedures, are at very little risk, and they do not have the risk of walking around in a land where the disease is endemic to worry about.

    An abundance of caution is reasonable, differences in opinion are reasonable, yelling “Science” when the issue is not science but one’s willingness to take risks with other people’s lives is what is ridiculous.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  36. 16.

    The Obola administration

    What are you, 9 years old? Grow up.

    carlitos (c24ed5) — 10/31/2014 @ 10:00 am

    Calling this dangerous fool names is only a small portion of the contempt he deserves. He’s actively undermining our standing in the world. He’s sending out his minions to anonymously call Netanyahu “chickens#@$.”

    The fact that you’re boresighted on the names we’re calling Prom Queen instead of the damage President Jarrett is doing speaks volumes for the type of person who at this late date thinks we owe Obola even the appearance of respect.

    Steve57 (ee8c38)

  37. To paraphrase President Tiger Beat, a 9 year old would be a better preezy than King Putt, a better diplomat then Secretary of State Seabiscuit, and a better debate moderator than George Stephanopoulos.

    Also taller, in the latter instance.

    Steve57 (ee8c38)

  38. it’s turtles all the way down, steve

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/352842.php

    narciso (ee1f88)

  39. 40. Don’t you mean an average 9-year old?

    But that’s not true.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  40. elissa,

    Thanks, but I’m missing something here. How can you rely on Patterico’s frustration as a justification here when you don’t even know what he objected to about carlito’s comment in the O’Keefe thread? Patterico is very tolerant but even saints have limits. I’m not sure that’s enough to discredit everything carlito’s says.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  41. I’m not “relying” on anything DRJ. And I’m not trying to read Patterico’s mind–just reporting the facts that he deleted a comment and that he stated exactly why he did so. And I wasn’t looking for justification for anything. And I don’t believe I said I discredited “everything Carlitos says”. In fact I believe I stated pretty clearly that I’ve enjoyed his comments for the most part over the years until he’s changed his style fairly recently, in regard to which he and I have had several seemingly cordial interactions. I also said I appreciated your observation that Carlitos’ family dynamic maybe has something to do with his changed approach, because I assume that you may know more about Carlitos’ background than I do.

    So, frankly I’m honestly not sure where you’re going with this.

    elissa (a5ecea)

  42. you should have an adult check the candy first before you eat cause of there could be droplets

    happyfeet (a06270)

  43. Oh my goodness, Happy, that is a chilling thought.
    “Think about the chirrin”!

    felipe (40f0f0)

  44. Speaking of chirren, I am very concerned that so far there has been a tickdown in trick or treaters this year, and that therefore I may have a fairly large amount of fun sized Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups left when the night is over.

    elissa (a5ecea)

  45. my sister is reporting a paucity of clientele as well

    happyfeet (a06270)

  46. fun sized Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups

    So candy marketers read 1984, eh? If you want your kid to learn what doublethink and doublespeak mean, put the “fun sized” candy bar next to the normal candy bar and tell her that the small one is the “fun sized” one.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. I’m just asking questions to try to understand, elissa. Where were you going with your comments and questions to carlitos?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  48. i’ll be right over elissa…

    no trick or treating at my house, and very little on our block.

    we stopped decorating, lighting, etc, when it became clear that we were giving stuff to the anchor babies of our neighbor’s gardeners, nannies & housekeeprs, and not neighborhood kids.

    since we already keep the little disease vectors in junk foor & smart phones all year with our ridiculous taxes, there’s no way in hello we’re going to invite them to our door for moar free 5hit.

    redc1c4 (589173)

  49. my sister is reporting a paucity of clientele as well

    and here i thought she was a nice girl… 😎

    /me ducks & runs off

    redc1c4 (589173)

  50. Five so far, normal count would be 20-40.

    It’s empty chairs, all the way down.

    htom (9b625a)

  51. Spoke too soon. Two more, with two dads, and three adult women standing on the driveway watching. Weird. Tiny dude was in a dragon costume, so he got extra helpings.

    htom (9b625a)

  52. An update from the CDC:

    Can Ebola be spread by coughing or sneezing?

    There is no evidence indicating that Ebola virus is spread by coughing or sneezing. Ebola virus is transmitted through direct contact with the blood or body fluids of a person who is sick with Ebola; the virus is not transmitted through the air (like measles virus). However, droplets (e.g., splashes or sprays) of respiratory or other secretions from a person who is sick with Ebola could be infectious, and therefore certain precautions (called standard, contact, and droplet precautions) are recommended for use in healthcare settings to prevent the transmission of Ebola virus from patients sick with Ebola to healthcare personnel and other patients or family members.

    Also, Huffpo notes another change late this afternoon:

    The CDC has replaced the document describing the difference between airborne infections and ones that spread via droplet. A key change is that the airborne section stresses that airborne germs “can be inhaled even after the original person is no longer nearby.” Droplet germs, by contrast, “travel shorter distances, less than about 6 feet from a source patient.” Ebola is the latter type of germ.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  53. “Quarantining at the point of fever is already being very cautious.”
    = = = = = = =

    Except for the pesky 12.-something percent of people who don’t show a fever at all.

    I assume they become contagious at some point.

    A_Nonny_Mouse (6c6463)

  54. ==Where were you going with your comments and questions to carlitos?==

    DRJ–I apologize if my comment directed to carlitos this morning was not clear, and I regret now that I responded to your initial comment @10:35. I tried my best to address two more additional comments from you related to carlitos since then. I know it’s easy to misread and misjudge what other commenters are thinking and saying on-line and sometimes we all mistakenly intuit what is not there. But right now I’m feeling very much as if you’re trying to pick a fight with me. I don’t understand why, and if it’s all the same to you I’m not going to participate. In fact I’m going to turn off the porchlight and unwrap a couple Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups.

    elissa (a5ecea)

  55. I didn’t know that, elissa. Did Patterico delete the comment after someone pointed it out to him?

    No, I saw it myself and was independently irritated by it. And coincidentally enough, it was a comment about someone else’s writing style. I provided details here, since carlitos (I assume inadvertently) misled people about which comment I was criticizing.

    elissa, I don’t think DRJ was trying to pick a fight with anyone. It is interesting that the issue you identified happened to be precisely what had bothered me about his comment — and I got further irritated when he started acting like I had been criticizing him for his comment about O’Keefe (which I had left up, and which was not particularly objectionable in my view).

    Patterico (9c670f)

  56. Milk goes great with those peanut-butter cups, elissa.

    mg (31009b)

  57. Tetanus has always been my favorite airborne disease. Its spores are a fine dust; they’re everywhere; and they can settle onto any open wound. But that’s using a pretty purist definition of airborne.

    If you’re walking through a fog, you’re walking through airborne droplets of water. Clouds are droplets of water. The white color of your car’s exhaust is from water droplets. Kiss me right here, CDC. And you’ve never told us what causes obesity in lesbians, either.

    nk (dbc370)

  58. lol again, nk.

    mg (31009b)

  59. There is no evidence indicating that Ebola virus is spread by coughing or sneezing.

    and yet, there is no evidence that it isn’t…

    unsurprisingly, with a disease this deadly, that, until recently was only found in the backwaters of our world, we don’t know a whole hello of a lot about it, other that, once you get it, you’re likely to die a horrible and excruciating death, while endangering those caring for you in the process.

    thus, anyone with an IQ larger than their hat size, and without an agenda that extends past trying to stop the spread of the outbreak and save who we can, is likely to proceed from a view point that an abundance of caution may NOT be sufficiently cautious, and step protective measures up to “draconian”.

    as a healthcare professional, and as someone who was (hard to believe) the unit SME on such matters for a military hospital unit, i have no problem going for total lockdown on exposed personnel and invoking overkill in both PPE standards as well as with the post exposure decon procedures to get out of it.

    of course, i come to that stance having been both the person at least somewhat responsible for the safety of others, both patient & caregiver, as well as being a belts & suspenders sort of guy anyway, courtesy of my Drill Sgt, who pointed out to me one very cold dark Georgia morning that, if i didn’t have time to do something right the first time, when the hello did i ever think i was going to find time to do it over.

    preventing the outbreak of a disease is just a tad bit more important than cleaning one part of a barracks to standard, but the logic is both immutable and completely transferable.

    since taking chances will get likely get people killed, anyone saying not to worry is either stupid or reckless.

    (unless they actually WANT an outbreak here, of course)

    JMHO,YMMV.

    redc1c4 (589173)

  60. IOW, what we actually know about Obola, it’s native host reservoir, it’s transmission methods, it’s threshold of exposure to cause infection, it’s stability in ambient environments, etc, could be spray painted on the head of a pin, in all caps, with room left over for BamBam’s resume of accomplishments as Presentdent.

    we may not all die from his stupidity and that of his minions, but anyone who isn’t at least somewhat concerned is fortunate that breathing is autonomic, because i doubt they’re smart enough to remember to breathe on their own.

    redc1c4 (589173)

  61. I think that there’s a whole bunch of “they” who want to make it the western world’s problem, so the western world will devote the resources to find a vaccine for it. I’ve said it from the beginning. Whether it’s from outbreaks or from public hysteria without outbreaks. Since the affected African nations, who’ve had it for about forty years, could not pool the money needed in all this time to commission Eli Lilly to develop a vaccine for it. Because only the white man has the juju.

    nk (dbc370)

  62. I had dinner with a medical professional this week whose spouse is in charge of Ebola research at a rather large health institute. Fascinating to listen to their observations. One of note was that because the first world has had so little opportunity to study up close (with active patients, etc), that information regarding the virus is still in the process of being gleaned. Third worlds have only had it for around 40 years, but in the states, the up close & personal has been very limited, thus impacting a number of possible studies that could have been done. A limited knowledge. But if so, I would rather the CDC just be straight up about it. Enough with the administration, etc., and their smoke and mirrors.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  63. Understandably paraquat could not be used, but what about DDTing the continent?

    mg (31009b)

  64. 65. …But if so, I would rather the CDC just be straight up about it. Enough with the administration, etc., and their smoke and mirrors.

    Dana (8e74ce) — 10/31/2014 @ 7:01 pm

    Dana, remember what you’re dealing with.

    http://milwaukeelive.blogspot.com/2014/10/obamas-white-house-lied-and-covered-up.html

    … According to the Post, government documents and interviews reveal that senior White House aides — including Kathryn Ruemmler, who was then serving as White House counsel — were given information by the Secret Service at the time suggesting that the scandal extended to a member of the advance team who was in Cartagena at the behest of the White House.

    Jonathan Dach, then a 25-year-old law student at Yale University, was a volunteer with the White House travel office who helped coordinate drivers on the trip. He was paid a per diem, not a salary, and reimbursed for expenses. Still, according to the story, travel volunteers are often reminded that their conduct reflects on the President and first lady.

    The allegation was that Dach’s conduct in Colombia left something to be desired. Despite the young man’s insistence, through his attorney, that he didn’t engage the services of a prostitute or invite anyone to his hotel room, the information that the Secret Service shared with the White House at the time suggested that Dach had registered a prostitute as an overnight guest.

    …In the end, nothing happened to Dach, whose father, it turns out, is a prominent and generous donor to the Democratic Party….

    Even the supine media was dumbstruck by this. It was a story of microscopic importance. If the Obola administration had been straight up about it with the public it would have at most been a harmless one or two day story. It would have gone like this: “Stupid 25 y.o. unpaid intern hires hooker in Cartagena. He broke no laws, but it was a stupid move so the WH canned him.”

    That’s all the would have had to say. The story about a WH intern getting fired for doing a hooker in Cartagena would have been even less of a non-news event than Joe Biden’s own son getting fired from the Navy for doing blow.

    But instead of doing what any other competent WH PR team would have and could have done (get out in front and put the story to bed) this WH PR team went to the mattresses to cover it up.

    And the LHMFM was left scratching its head, asking itself “Why?”

    Now even they have to admit that anybody who would pull out all stops just to keep a WH intern’s commercial sexual activities secret would cover-up anything. This WH doesn’t just lie when they don’t have to. This WH lies when it’s stupid to lie. They lie when the truth would work better for them.

    They are constitutionally incapable of being straight up about anything. Ever.

    Steve57 (c1c90e)

  65. “… but anyone who isn’t at least somewhat concerned is fortunate that breathing is autonomic, because i doubt they’re smart enough to remember to breathe on their own.
    redc1c4 (589173) — 10/31/2014 @ 6:49 pm ”

    = = = = = = = =

    Oooh, goody! a perfect set-up for my “blonde joke”:

    OK, the college students were all assembled for the professor’s lecture. He was a bit of a stickler, and didn’t stand for anybody goofing off or sending text messages, or whispering way in the back. (You probably know the type.) So he’s down in front at his lectern, starting to rev up into that day’s presentation… and sees The Blonde. She’s got the little something-box with a plug going to her ear, and appears to be focusing on whatever she was hearing from the device, NOT paying rapt attention to Herr Professor.

    “Miss Jones. Miss! Jones! I am lecturing here – take that thing out of your ear and put it away!”
    “Oh, but, sir, unh, but, umm, see . . . it’s vitally important!”
    “Right this MINUTE, Miss Jones. No, it’s not ‘vitally’ important. It’s not like you’re going to die if you miss out on whatever-that-is.”
    “Ah, err, um, …” but he’s glowering at her. “OK,” she says, and she removes the earpiece and focuses her attention as the Professor starts over.

    But just as he’s recovered his pace, and really gets going with the lesson, there’s a commotion up where Miss Jones was sitting. She’s fallen out of her chair! Good Heavens, she’s blue in the face!! Oh, no, how awful — she’s dead!!! … and she still has her little electronic device clutched in her hand. One of the students nearby, curious, picks up the earpiece and listens: “Breathe in . . . Breathe out.” “Breathe in . . . Breathe out.” “Breathe in . . .”

    = = = = = = = =

    Poor blondes. The only group outside of white Christian males that we’re still allowed to make fun of…..

    A_Nonny_Mouse (243185)

  66. Here’s a Scottish woman joke. Safe in Scotland, they won’t see it as a joke. http://i.imgur.com/6bcHmPG.jpg

    nk (dbc370)

  67. elissa,

    I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. This isn’t the first time you’ve been upset with my questions. I credit (or blame) my legal training, where they teach us to ask questions to try to understand the limits and implications of policies and arguments. I’m not trying to attack you. Quite the opposite, the only reason to question someone is because you believe the person has ideas worth exploring. But it’s obviously not pleasant or interesting to you, so please forget it.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  68. Two links that go in-depth concerning precautions for those caring for Ebola patients, in case anyone is interested,
    the first I think you should all be able to get;
    http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/procedures-for-ppe.html

    this one is a video instruction, but on Medscape and I don’t know if it is a link anyone can get;
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/833907?src=wnl_edit_specol&uac=64783AY

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  69. carlitos: I’m not trying to speak for you because I know you can do that, but please consider that when things get to the point where mature conservatives like bobathome are calling Obama names, it probably means there is widespread frustration with Obama and his policies — and frustration may be too weak a word

    That Carlitos can’t relate to that frustration, along with his left-leaning stances on certain issues, makes me wonder whether he’d be quite as indignant if the name-calling were coming from the left instead of the right, and directed at a conservative instead of a leftist president.

    “Obola” really is the most philosophically, emotionally leftist president in the history of the US, particularly in the context of a society that already is far more liberal now than it was 50 or 90 years ago. IOW, I’m not judging our wondrous president as extremely of the left based on the standards of, for example, the 1950s or the 1930s, but by the standards of just the past 10 to 20 years.

    Mark (c160ec)

  70. our confidence in detection, is overestimated;

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/dont-know-ebola

    narciso (ee1f88)


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