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10/23/2014

Saying It Like It’s A Good Thing: “Obama Has Removed The Threat Of Deportation For Most Illegals”

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:59 am



[guest post by Dana]

Democrat activist and strategist Simon Rosenberg speaking at Georgetown University Law Center this week:

“I think that the immigration community has, frankly, given the Democrats and the president far less credit than they deserve for how much we’ve – the president has fundamentally altered the system to essentially have removed the threat of deportation over virtually every undocumented immigrant in the country already,” Rosenberg said. “That’s already happened.

Rosenberg believes the president will make his big move (read: amnesty for millions ) after the midterms. No political cynicism there, right? Spelling it out for us:

“The government of the United States no longer wants to deport people from the interior without criminal records,” Rosenberg said. “What that means in practicality is that the threat of deportation over the vast majority of undocumented immigrants in the United States has been lifted.

–Dana

50 Responses to “Saying It Like It’s A Good Thing: “Obama Has Removed The Threat Of Deportation For Most Illegals””

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. Good bye.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  3. Next, the vote. Count on it.

    f1guyus (647d76)

  4. This makes me feel ever so grateful for my good fortune in being born in the USA and having the gift of US citizenship…. Oh… wait…

    The Democrats cheapen every facet of life.

    Colonel Haiku (b624c3)

  5. There is no downside for Chairman O. He just rules, no one, least of which is the dinosaur media, so he just does as he and his sycophants want.

    Roman (84e1ca)

  6. I don’t hear any prominent Republican leaders complaining do you

    happyfeet (e4bb01)

  7. I don’t hear any prominent Republican leaders complaining do you

    happyfeet (e4bb01) — 10/23/2014 @ 8:13 am

    The democrats are planning to import a large number of voters, which is a smart model and has worked relatively well in other countries, such as Britain. I mean, worked well as far as the votes go, anyway.

    Some Republicans have raised noise about it. Some liberals ones, even, during the primary, though I felt their records were in stark contrast to their noise. But then there are a lot of Republicans who do not seem that worried about this, and that perplexes me.

    I think some Republicans really don’t worry about the party’s long term prospects. They are concerned with cashing in on their opportunity in congress, and of course undocumented workers are extremely profitable. This is a very cynical explanation… worse even than the democrats, as it’s based on human misery. Then there’s the explanation that some Republicans are acutely paralyzed at any statement that could conceivably be twisted into a charge of racism.

    But happyfeet and I are not Republicans. Maybe it’s time to stop looking to the GOP every time we see the democrats do something we’d like to see fought.

    Dustin (801032)

  8. I have reached the point where I feel entirely betrayed by the American government, leadership and particularly this administration for cheapening if not entirely destroying my American birthright. As Colonel Haiku so sarcastically implied, an America which won’t secure itself is doomed.

    The very idea that after 40 years of open, unfettered abortion the leftists realize without illegals being “citizenized”** they have no new voters appalls me. They spent all these decades advocating the abortion of the poor and minorities just to replace them with people who aren’t Americans, have no allegiance to America, have nothing in common with American culture and in some cases hate and want to destroy the very country the left is bringing them in to.

    America is not a culture in decline. It’s a culture on suicide watch.

    **I made up the word “citizenized” because these people are not being Americanized like our families were. They don’t want to be American, they just want “stuff”.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  9. Sheep in wolves’ clothing… Stalking, happy, crazy sheep.

    Colonel Haiku (b624c3)

  10. I have reached the point where I feel entirely betrayed by the American government, leadership and particularly this administration for cheapening if not entirely destroying my American birthright.

    That’s certainly a bold way to put it. But it does remind me that if we were to get rid of this ‘birthright citizenship,’ aka jus soli, and instead make citizenship contingent on bloodright, aka jus sanguinis, a lot of this issue would be resolved. Most of the modern world uses bloodright citizenship. I think it’s considered bad here because it promotes nationality, but I’ve never heard a more compelling case than that.

    They don’t want to be American, they just want “stuff”.

    I think there probably are some of both. If I were in Mexico, I would want to be an American, and willing to work very hard, learn English, and follow the difficult process. I would be frustrated by those who skip to the head of the line by ignoring the laws, and I would know this only makes it much less possible for me to ever immigrate.

    Part of immigration reform needs to be the tall walls, but part needs to be the wide gates for law abiding, hard working people who aspire to be Americans. It’s not only too easy to come here, it’s too hard. That’s the funny part.

    Dustin (801032)

  11. The only way to deport an illegal is in a coffin.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  12. Oh, good. The Feds can lay off many of the immigration judges and their staffs. Retraining the immigration lawyers for other work will take a while. Any costs saved can go to build more jails and hire more prosecutors and police. Don’t forget to fund public defenders, too.

    LTMG (94c4c3)

  13. Spengler had an interesting comment a couple of weeks ago. He quoted a well off Chinese man who said “Everybody wants to be an American.”

    The French have found out what happens when an indigestible lump of immigration settles in banlieues where policemen are afraid to go and firemen leave alone to burn.

    Canada has now a taste of the future with their Islamic population. I am all for immigration from India and China as those people have a work ethic that exceeds our own. The Mexicans that I have encountered have a work ethic but no education and little prospect of improving themselves, especially with race hustlers egging the children on with dreams of Aztlan and other nonsense.

    Mike K (decf3d)

  14. 12- We don’t need no stinkin’ public defenders – that’s what jailhouse lawyers are for.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  15. Dustin, pardon my ignorance but I don’t know the difference between birthright and bloodright citizenship. I assume you to mean if an American woman has a child while visiting France the child is American by bloodright and not French which would be by birthright.

    I disagree that we need ” wide gates for law abiding, hard working people who aspire to be Americans”. I don’t really care what someone “aspires” to be, becoming an American should be based on our needs and aspirations, not theirs. Just so you know my wife is a naturalized American citizen and she was born in South Korea. She did not come to America seeking fame or fortune, she brought it with her. Along with a college education, her own company and the ability to speak American English. And it still took us ten tears and about $15k in legal fees to get her to the swearing in ceremony.

    “Wide gates” cheapens the perceived value of becoming an American. If I had my way I’d charge to the opportunity to apply just to enter the country. The big lie is “we need those people to do the jobs Americans won’t do”. Really? As long as there is one healthy American on welfare we don’t need an immigrant. They either do the job or they don’t get the check. There is no economic, practical or moral reason to pay our own people not to work while allowing illegal immigrants to sneak in to take available jobs.

    We need very narrow gates and very stringent restrictions coupled with a high wall guarded well and severe penalties for illegal immigration. I think one good penalty is if you are caught here illegally you’re assigned to a chain gang to build the border wall. When it’s completed you’re placed on the other side and released.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  16. “I don’t hear any prominent Republican leaders complaining do you”

    feets – I certainly have. Republicans complaining about Obama’s nonenforcement of existing laws and the inability to trust Democrats is one of the main obstacles to negotiating any reform concerning immigration. DACA was one of the issues Republicans considered suing Obama over.

    Selective hearing and memories are funny things.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  17. Got an idea that pulls together a few threads. Many people think that Obam ais really from another country, not Hawaii. Let’s make it one and the same. Face it, Hawaii is only a part of the US for its strategic location and great natural harbor at Pearl Harbor. Politically it makes San Francisco look downright moderate.

    After Obama retires there, give Hawaii its independence, but after negotiating a treaty in perpetuity granting us access to use of Pearl Harbor.

    Obama gone, out of the US, Hawaiians (whatever that is) have a country again (sic), we still have the central Pacific covered, and we drop a simmering liberal hotspot. Win, win, win. “8-]

    NeoCon_1 (ff7ff2)

  18. “Wide gates” cheapens the perceived value of becoming an American. If I had my way I’d charge to the opportunity to apply just to enter the country. The big lie is “we need those people to do the jobs Americans won’t do”. Really? As long as there is one healthy American on welfare we don’t need an immigrant. They either do the job or they don’t get the check. There is no economic, practical or moral reason to pay our own people not to work while allowing illegal immigrants to sneak in to take available jobs.

    I wasn’t saying we need those people to do the jobs American teenagers would probably do.

    I guess we just differ on the need for immigrants. I think it’s severe. Just to keep pace with the demographics, I want every hard working, law abiding person who seeks freedom to consider coming to the United States. I think it makes us a richer and better country. I would like to see a lot of assimilation, a common language, and I want these folks to have careers and contribute to society.

    Bloodright citizenship means that your nationality is inherited. Like Ted Cruz and Barack Obama had an American parent and were born Americans by blood, rather than because they were within our national boundaries at the time of their birth. I think this eliminates the incentive for those living in other countries to come here, have their children, and then hope to be permitted to stay because their American citizen child shouldn’t be separated from their parent. I think that tends to cause a lot of problems.

    Dustin (801032)

  19. #15… Agree, Hoagie. “Aspiration” in the context of ILLEGAL immigration is of a far-left mindset… all touchy-feely and illogical. We don’t have the resources to accommodate those who “aspire” to live and work (benefit of the doubt given) in this country and enter the country using ILLEGAL means.

    Colonel Haiku (b624c3)

  20. Thank you for clearing that up for me, Dustin. I think I was on the right course. Bloodright means just because an immigrant (or even a visitor) has a baby here, without the right of blood meaning at least one parent being American, that kid is not an American.

    I guess we just differ on the need for immigrants. I think it’s severe. Just to keep pace with the demographics, I want every hard working, law abiding person who seeks freedom to consider coming to the United States. I think it makes us a richer and better country. I would like to see a lot of assimilation, a common language, and I want these folks to have careers and contribute to society.

    That paragraph befuddles me. Okay, yes we differ on the need for immigrants. But why, or better yet how can it be severe with all those coming in? And exactly what demographics are we in need of keeping up with? Lettuce pickers? Then you say you want every hard working, law abiding person who seeks freedom to come here. Well, Dustin, that’s about 2 billion of the worlds population. Plus, if they’re really hard working why can’t they be hard working in their own country? And if they’re law abiding why are they breaking our immigration laws in the first place?

    You say you’d like to see “a lot of assimilation, a common language, and I want these folks to have careers and contribute to society.” The problem is Dustin, they don’t assimilate any more. That’s why we need to “Press One for English”. They com from countries that are more socialist than free-market and just like Californians moving to Texas, they bring that socialist mindset with them. We don’t need that, we have our own home-grown leftists here to contend with.

    Finally, the vast, overwhelming majority of these people have no career. Unless picking grapes is a career to you. Therefore, they will not “contribute” to society in any meaningful way. At least not to our society. It seems they contribute billions a year to their own society in the form of cash transfers from America to Mexico. Mexico’s second largest “industry” next to oil.

    We do not need impoverished, possibly diseased, illiterate immigrants. We need doctors, engineers, scientists, IT people and business entrepreneurs. We don’t need poor people from third world countries who don’t and won’t speak American to flood our schools, overwhelm our hospitals and medical facilities, populate our prisons and push out babies to vote leftist in 20 years.

    So as far as their aspirations go…..screw’em.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  21. But why, or better yet how can it be severe with all those coming in?

    Well, I said I want law abiding and assimilating folks who seek to earn their way in our society to be able to come here and contribute.

    If you think that is a good description of those you were concerned about, again we differ, as I think they are not following our laws, and often wind up being a net beneficiary of government programs rather than a contributor. As you say

    We need doctors, engineers, scientists, IT people and business entrepreneurs.

    My dad came to the USA from Iran and became an engineer. He loves America and has worked very hard for a long career. I think America’s roots are deep with such stories of folks seeking a better life here and then earning it.

    Our process to immigrate legally to the USA is frankly ridiculously difficult, and shouldn’t be. We wind up reducing the number of the immigrants I would like to see. At the same time, perhaps for related reasons, we do not do enough to curb illegal immigration.

    Plus, if they’re really hard working why can’t they be hard working in their own country? And if they’re law abiding why are they breaking our immigration laws in the first place?

    You seem upset, and maybe that’s why you misunderstood my comments. That is the opposite of what I was advocating. I’m not sure why you conflate ‘law abiding’ with illegal, but they mean the opposite things.

    Dustin (801032)

  22. “Aspiration” in the context of ILLEGAL immigration is of a far-left mindset

    I think it’s more of a pure power play. Illegal immigrants are cheap and easily exploited. For votes, but also for labor. How many politicians have been caught using illegal immigrants for lawn care? I can think of several. Illegal aliens fear the law, so they cannot turn to it when they are taken advantage of. They wind up being an enormous drain on public resources, but worse than that, they are an escape valve for broken societies, such as Mexico. By leaving their country, there is a relief on the urgent need for a more lawful government there.

    All in all, the results are obviously unequal, which is the opposite of the basis for far left views (they seek equal results, whereas classic liberals seek equality before the law).

    The Republicans and Democrats who have encouraged illegal immigration in the overt and covert ways they have did not do so because of their political philosophy. They did so for crass reasons, either fear of being called racist, or realization these people can be used.

    But aspiration for immigration generally is nothing like that at all. Our social programs, thanks to policies like Obamacare, the prescription drug benefit, social security, and medicare, are not workable in the long term, because we are going to have far fewer beneficiaries and far fewer gainfully employed.

    Some fear that it’s a zero sum game. In other words, that the gains of an immigrant are the losses of a current citizen. That is probably true when you talk about the incarceration of an illegal immigrant, or free medical care for one, or as hoagie mentioned, one coming here with a disease. But it’s not always a zero sum game! When an immigrant comes here to become a doctor, engineer, or businessman, they may employ others. Every trade they make, for service or goods, will result in a gain for the economy on both sides. The economy will grow. That’s one reason why America became the greatest nation on earth. People from all over the world came here and made something.

    Wide gates. Let the law abiding flood in. Hoagie asks why they can’t do it at home, and the reasons are similar to why they can’t do it in California or Massachusetts. And that’s a worthwhile discussion in and of itself.

    Dustin (801032)

  23. I’m going to address your comment in no particular order, Dustin.

    My dad came to the USA from Iran and became an engineer. He loves America and has worked very hard for a long career. I think America’s roots are deep with such stories of folks seeking a better life here and then earning it.

    Your dad’s story, Dustin, just like that of my family is of the quintessential American immigrant. Came here, learned the language, worked hard and made something of himself and his family all the while helping to build America. Now, it’s 2014, illegal immigrants (and I am speaking strictly illegals) come here, get food stamps, welfare, housing, health care, education and even free birthing for their children (who are American by birthright. See, I do listen!). And it’s all supplied in Spanish, not American. What encouragement do they have to be like your dad and my family to “work hard and become an engineer”? They think an engineer drives a train for crap sake!

    These people come here, get all kinds of free-bees, work under the table (if at all), steal our GDP and send it home to momma and don’t have the common decency to say “f*ck you very much” in English. We are being duped by the leftist leaders who need these people to stay in power and by the people themselves who are stealing our combined National Wealth for themselves.

    These are not our Father’s Immigrants! These are Obama’s immigrants. Pelosi’s immigrants. Reid’s immigrants. But no matter how you cut it they are NOT here to Become Americans but to TAKE from America.

    Our process to immigrate legally to the USA is frankly ridiculously difficult, and shouldn’t be.

    I agree. It should be almost impossible to legally immigrate to the United States. There should be financial and educational requirements as well as health and mental health requirements. There should be a very high monetary cost and a five year probation during which the applicant must maintain employment, pay his taxes, and not get in trouble with the law. Then, if you’re really, really good looking, maybe you can get naturalized. We got enough ugly people here already. Ever go to Wal-Mart?

    Dustin, anything in life really worth having is very, very hard to get. And if we believe American Citizenship is worth having then it behooves us to make it difficult so it will be treasured.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  24. But no matter how you cut it they are NOT here to Become Americans but to TAKE from America.

    Yes. It’s as frustrating to me as it is to you. It’s wrong. We worked hard, and so did our fathers, to build something here. To just come and take, because of the success here, as though the wealth here is infinite, reeks of entitlement (at best!).

    We got enough ugly people here already. Ever go to Wal-Mart?

    LOL. Not often!

    And if we believe American Citizenship is worth having then it behooves us to make it difficult so it will be treasured.

    That’s an interesting argument, and I can see some merit in it. I think requiring a common language would be difficult enough (and I realize that’s not something we currently require, but other countries that do have had good results, and I think it makes the country more united and prosperous).

    I don’t want the wide gates to be something where you just say you want in so you’re in. But I don’t want good folks who want to come here to have to penetrate a bureaucracy that has become ridiculous, either. And if they do not respect the laws we have, I don’t desire them in the first place.

    Good conversation, man!

    Dustin (801032)

  25. BTW, Dustin. The reason we have leftists here is because they don’t believe American Citizenship is worth having. They don’t believe there is anything exceptional about America and they do not treasure their “birthright”. They were born into a society that was built on the Judeo-Christian belief of individual responsibility and personal freedom and they never had to shed a drop of blood to secure it. They are “red-diaper” babies who will never grow up. And they don’t believe anything should be very, very hard to get. They believe that everything should be given and not earned. Real Americans don’t.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  26. “deport people from the interior without criminal records”

    If you’re an illegal alien then you have a criminal record. Duh.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  27. I think a lot of progressives really think they are making the country a better place, but haven’t been exposed to the ideas we have gleaned in our lives.

    There has been a cultural war in this country since the onset of the Cold War, and we’ve been losing. I think inevitably, we will win, but unfortunately only because the system we have in place now is headed directly towards a financial cliff, and hard times are the best teacher. Will those hard times teach Christian values and the responsibility we share to earn our freedom, which isn’t ever free? I really think so, and that’s sad because we shouldn’t have needed to get there.

    I think back to all the history classes I’ve taken… they didn’t mention the cold war, or what the Soviet Union was like, or World War II, or the philosophical justifications used by the Fascists, or what Reagan advocated (I went to college long after this). Even though the skipping over these things was obvious and had to make the history professors’ jobs more difficult. It had to be a conscious effort to revise history around exposing kids to these lessons. When I took economics, that very basic lesson that both sides of a deal come out ahead, and this is how economies grow, was skipped. The page was there in the book, and they skipped over it.

    These liberals really think they are working hard to help, rather than aspiring merely to parasitism. Thus, when we are hostile to them on the wrong grounds, we cement their views instead of making any headway.

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

    I don’t believe that left means democrat and right means republican, nor do I think left means evil and selfish. I think left often means mistaken, but things are a lot more complicated than that. Virtually every politician has this conceit that he is using government to help us, and thus even the ‘good’ ones are part of the problem, and limitations on government have to be much more general (like a balanced budget amendment that stubbornly ignores the non-discretionary obligations our politicians on both sides have promised).

    Whether these ‘leftists’ or whatever you want to call them, are ‘real’ americans by your view doesn’t change that they are really Americans and they voted for Obama twice, and will probably elect Hillary (it is obvious to me she is a better candidate than Obama was in 12). So how do you fix this?

    Dustin (801032)

  28. “But happyfeet and I are not Republicans. Maybe it’s time to stop looking to the GOP every time we see the democrats do something we’d like to see fought”.

    Dustin (801032) — 10/23/2014 @ 8:27 am

    I am way ahead of you, Dustin. But to whom do we turn?

    felipe (40f0f0)

  29. I enjoyed the civil discussion between Dustin and Hoagie. Well done, sirs.

    felipe (40f0f0)

  30. I don’t understand why anyone thinks a unilateral Obama amnesty would have to stand. It would be totally unconstitutional, wouldn’t it?

    (I’ve posted the rest of this in other comment sections, but I think it’s worth repeating.)

    What Republicans need to do right now is put ads on radio and television in the U.S. (English and Spanish) and Central America (in Spanish) saying something like this:

    “Obama is a president, not a king.
    Any amnesty he proclaims without the approval of Congress is null and void.
    The next honest president can deport anyone who takes advantage of his fake ‘amnesty’.
    If you come out of the shadows to accept an Obama pseudo-amnesty, it will just make it easier to find and deport you as soon as he’s gone.”

    I’m sure it could be phrased for more ‘punch’, but you get the idea. If the Republican ‘leadership’ won’t do this, some private citizens with money need to do so.

    Dr. Weevil (c83662)

  31. If the Koch’s were as evil as Harry says they are, those ads would already be running.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  32. mfm controls all coverage of mad as hell republicans for the no brain voter.

    mg (31009b)

  33. Team R did not has not and will not sue food stamp to challenge his policies on immigration

    happyfeet (e4bb01)

  34. “Team R did not has not and will not sue food stamp to challenge his policies on immigration”

    Who claimed they did or will?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  35. Even so happyfeet, a number of republicans want it eighty-sixed.
    Lets face it, republicans and positive air time are only seen occasionally.

    mg (31009b)

  36. Don’t shoplift the pootie, feets.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  37. Feets… every day, we face microaggressions and microinvalidations from so-called allies. Take a chill pill, Phil.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  38. all i do every day is not shoplift the pootie and what does it get me

    But I’m not complaining

    happyfeet (6573e4)

  39. I like pie Mr. feets.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  40. i can’t have pie cause of goals

    happyfeet (e4bb01)

  41. You can always change your goals to fit your behavior. That’s usually easier than changing your behavior to reach your goals.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  42. 29.I enjoyed the civil discussion between Dustin and Hoagie. Well done, sirs.

    Why thank you, felipe. Dustin’s a reasonable guy and he’s easy to have a “civil discussion” with. His default is not an insult but rather reasoned reply. Plus, he taught me stuff. At 63 I’m still tryin’ to learn. I also deeply respect the fact that his father went through our traditional immigrant experience as I’m sure most of our families did, and he became a success. Even better, he became an American! I look at it like Dustin’s father could have gone to England, Australia, Canada or France (well, not France!) but he chose America. And by choosing America he made his and his family’s life better and he also made America better. That’s the kind of immigrant we need!

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  43. Judicial Watch seems to do a lot of heavy lifting.
    I do not know what words to describe the situation where federal Congressional officials willfully commit fraud to avoid a law they passed.
    It should be hard to believe they would do that, that there would be enough people to be tacitly complicit with it. That it is believable says a lot about our nation and our government.

    Things are really turning into a corrupt regulatory tyranny, anyone can be found guilty of something if you cross the powers that be, anyone can get away with massive fraud if they are in good graces with the powers that be.

    DC approaches the reputation of Jerusalem in Jeremiah’s time:
    If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth, I will forgive this city.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  44. I do not know what words to describe the situation where federal Congressional officials willfully commit fraud to avoid a law they passed.

    I do, Doc: Banana Republic.

    (Mr. Feets, I’m eating a Tastykake Peach pie as I type)

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  45. It is important to remain flexible, Mr. feets, for a variety of reasons.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  46. I am way ahead of you, Dustin. But to whom do we turn?

    felipe (40f0f0)

    I wish I knew. I just voted and still mostly did vote for Republicans, so clearly I have nothing to offer except frustration.

    Thanks for the kind remarks both from you and Hoagie.

    Hoagie’s certainly right we’ve got to protect what we’ve got. And that I’m certainly very very fortunate he chose to have his family here (to say nothing of how lucky my sisters are).

    Dustin (5ae5e5)

  47. Unexpectedly, Holder’s abortionist wife is a National Security treasure:

    http://sharylattkisson.com/justice-dept-list-of-withheld-fast-furious-docs-is-1323-pages-long

    That’s the list, the list is 1323 pages.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  48. I will be splitting my ticket among 4 parties and independents, mostly ineffectually.

    Retired military and truckers are our riposte.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)


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