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10/22/2014

Significant Evidence Supports Officer’s Version in Ferguson Shooting

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:28 am



It’s hard to see how there could be an indictment with these facts.

38 Responses to “Significant Evidence Supports Officer’s Version in Ferguson Shooting”

  1. Facts? Why are you dragging “facts” into a perfectly good lynching?

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  2. Dear Pat,

    The white oppressor has no facts that the oppressed must respect.

    I’ll see you your bourgeois “objective” facts, and raise you my new-and-improved revolutionary facts. As I taught my disciple James Cone, manufacturer of Black Liberation Theology, god and facts work the same way. As long as we have to pretend they exist and are important for some reason, if they don’t get us what we want then destroy them and invent new ones.

    “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community.”

    Just substitute the term social justice where you read black (liberation) theology and fact where it reads god and you’ll capisce, babe.

    Love and kisses,

    Karl Marx
    Man of the People

    Steve57 (4bf70d)

  3. I’ve had occasion to wonder of James Hal Cone was the inspiration for “Hooper X” in Chasing Amy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv7beQ9wHiM

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  4. no justice no peace

    also no quiktrip

    cause u fergdorks burned it

    so now where you gonna get your takis?

    poor fergdork

    this just hasn’t been your year

    happyfeet (eb4dc0)

  5. No skittles either… swisher sweets? gone daddy gone.
    The real criminal here is Dorian Johnson for peddling a big fat lie. Amazingly, a large part of the community still parrots versions of his narrative, ignoring all the parts that are filled with lies… which is everything after “we were” “just walking down the street” [after a strongarm robbery}

    steveg (794291)

  6. Dorian Johnson:

    Johnson said the officer then opened his car door, grabbed Brown’s neck and attempted to pull him through the window of the police car. He added that Brown “never once attempted to grab for the officer’s weapon.”

    Oh. OK. Imagine yourself grabbing a kid built like a refrigerator through the window of your SUV.
    You are trying to pull his 300# ass through the window.

    This Cop Wilson must be superhuman strong because most 300# kids are not coming through a car window at all. It’d actually be more likely if the reverse happened: Cop grabs kid around neck.. 300# kid with the leverage of 6′ 4″ could push or pull away and if the cop doesn’t let go, he’d be the one going through the window and out into the street. Lie

    Then I’d want to know how Johnson knew his friend never tried for the gun. The gun is low in the car and big 300# kid fills up the side window view, seat blocks view from the rear, hood angle blocks view from front and so what angle of view did Johnson have? None. Forensics say Big Mike got shot in the hand/arm from close range inside the car. Lie

    steveg (794291)

  7. You take that despicable race baiting liar out of the equation and maybe the quikstop would just have a little plywood on the window

    steveg (794291)

  8. Won’t matter. Certain groups will still run with the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot!”

    Dejectedhead (a094a6)

  9. Of course that the cop may have been legally in the right does not in any way excuse the police force in Ferguson for going all Rambo. Nor does it change that the modern tendency to fund (or partly fund) local government by fines hits the poor hardest, and makes the cops more “enemy” than they have to be.

    What I think we have here is a case of “They’re all assholes”; the Punk, the Cops (with the possible exception of Wilson, who doesn’t seem to have done anything wrong in this case), the Protesters, the local politicians (heavily white police with a heavily black town? Do you WANT more riots than necessary?), the Poverty Pimps (with Sharpton, that’s a given. If I saw him healing the halt and the blind, I would assume some nefarious motive), and the reporters.

    C. S. P. Schofield (848299)

  10. OT: Two incidents in Canada of workplace violence. Yesterday two soldiers were run over and one seriously injured before the police shot and killed the workplace violator. Today, the Ottawa Parliament was attacked by at least one man with a rifle or shotgun. The workplace violator managed to shot one soldier in an honor guard at a nearby memorial before running into the Parliament building. One workplace violator has been killed, but there may be more.

    The workplace violator killed yesterday was undergoing some sort of counselling related to a workplace phenomena called “radicalization”. The perpetrator is said to have converted to a religion of peace about a year ago.

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  11. does not in any way excuse the police force in Ferguson for going all Rambo.

    If the St. Louis County police actually had gone ‘all Rambo’, the riots would have been over in one night.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  12. Please answer this:

    Can the blatant liars be prosecuted? Seems that riots and property damage was a direct result of the lying liars that lied. Dorian Johnson?

    Rich (ddc02c)

  13. Schofield at 10… Have you any information regarding how many black applicants for the police department were rejected? Unless there is something that indicates blacks applied and were refused, I don’t know how anyone can be blamed for there not being more blacks on the Department.

    Labcatcher (61737c)

  14. There were several black witnesses who testified. They are anonymous of course out of fear…of other black people.

    I think Ferguson did not go Rambo, but many outsiders went Rambo.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  15. The New York times was leaked this story a few days ago.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html

    It appeared on the front page of the Saturday, October 18, 2014, New York Times.

    WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

    The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

    The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck…

    The interesting thing here…. is that I think they’re breaking the news slowly.

    By “they” I mean Attorney General Holder’s Justice Department. The New York Timnes’s sources were “government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter” and they leaked the beginning of this on a Friday aftermoon too

    This only deals with the beginning – the two bullets fired in the car, which bears out darren Wilson’s story.

    It would still be possible to believe the later, legally more important part of the story – that Michael Brown had his hands up and was attempting to surrender.

    But I suspect there’s good evidence that that isn’t true either. They obviously must have investigated that part of the confrontation also, but they leak anything about that yet.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  16. The wound to the flesh adjacent to the thumb has been the most interesting one. If there’s blood on the gun as press reports have said there is and gunpowder in the thumb wound as press reports have indicated, that pretty much discredits the idea that he got that wound because his hands were upraised.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  17. New York Times:

    The account of Officer Wilson’s version of events did not come from the Ferguson Police Department or from officials whose activities are being investigated as part of the civil rights inquiry.

    It came from “federal officials”

    You see, DOJ isn’t going to indict Wilson, either, and they can’t hide.. (althouugh Holder maybe can. Maybe the final announcement will be made when he is gone.

    They’re breaking the news sl…o…w…ly.

    First, the easier part.

    Today, breaking news, a little more:

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/official-autopsy-shows-michael-brown-had-close-range-wound-to/article_e98a4ce0-c284-57c9-9882-3fb7df75fef6.html

    Later, Wilson fired additional shots that killed Brown and ignited a national controversy.

    Still concentrating on how it started. The wound in the hand is very consistent with Michael Brown reaching for the gun. The New York Times didn’t have that detail.

    They’re breaking the news sl…o…w…ly.

    Nothing yet that says the story about how it ended was wrong.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  18. Here’s the autopsy report:

    http://www.stltoday.com/online/pdf-autopsy-report-for-michael-brown/pdf_ce018d0c-5998-11e4-b700-001a4bcf6878.html

    There’s nothing very much in it. Just two pages. It’s how it fits in with the different stories that is important.

    17. Art Deco (ee8de5) — 10/22/2014 @ 1:36 pm

    If there’s blood on the gun as press reports have said there is and gunpowder in the thumb wound as press reports have indicated, that pretty much discredits the idea that he got that wound because his hands were upraised.

    It means that woujnd came early, and Officer Wilson’s story about the struggle inside the car is most probably true.

    It still does not disprove that he was attempting to surrender at the end, but I suspect that they have evidence or testimony that discounts that, too.

    What’s missing is an explanation as to why Michael Brown might have acted as he did. Only that will really lay this to rest.

    I think the secret has something to do with gang activity.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  19. New York Times Saturday:

    In the many accounts of Mr. Brown’s death, the most potent imagery has come from his final moments, when he and Officer Wilson faced each other on Canfield Drive. witnesses have said that he appeared to be surrendering with his hands in the air as he was hit with the fatal gunshots. Others have said that Mr. Brown was moving toward Officer Wilson when he was killed.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  20. Black witnesses that corroborate the officer’s version of events who testify in front of the Grand Jury but won’t go public because they fear for their lives.

    So this agrees with Eric Holder’s opinion that we’re a nation of cowards when it comes to race, but not quite the way he meant it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  21. “It’s hard to see how there could be an indictment with these facts.”

    It all depends whether you want your race riot before or after the election.

    Don’t indict – before the midterms.

    Indict – after the “not guilty” verdict.

    Is the DA a committed Dem? Go for the indictment now, get “the base” (the black vote that the Dems desperately need to keep from being blown out) to the polls.

    Is the DA a committed Rep? Indict, knowing damned right well there’s no chance of conviction, but without the stirred up base, the Dems get their butts handed to them on Election Day.

    Justice? We don’t have a Justice system. We don’t even have much of a Legal system anymore. What we have is a Political system.

    bud (30d398)

  22. It still does not disprove that he was attempting to surrender at the end, but I suspect that they have evidence or testimony that discounts that, too.

    You mean Brown stood there with his arms in the air while Wilson shot him, shot him again, and shot him again? Or you mean that Wilson shot him when his arms were at his side and shot him twice more when his arms were in the air? Or was it the other way around?

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  23. It’s hard to see how there could be an indictment with these facts.

    Where there’s a will, there will always be a way.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  24. Will Johnson be “Libbey’ed” for lying to the Grand Jury?

    askeptic (efcf22)

  25. Now they’re saying autopsy results are casting doubts on the officer’s version of events.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. Kimberley Guilfoyle is filling in for teh Greta and she was just talking about this new info with Dr. Michael Baden.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  27. It’s hard to see how there could be an indictment with these facts.

    Rick Perry and George Zimmerman thought that too. But the left plays for keeps and if they need to throw a man’s career under the bus in order to gin up racial strife for political gain, then that guy better have a good lawyer…

    SaveFarris (c9975d)

  28. MO is between a rock and a hard place, again. Indict Wilson an police locals will strike or just walk out.

    But the civil disobedience(sic) will continue as blacks are empowered by officialdom at all levels.

    45 assaults have been reported in Champaign area on students since #Ferguson.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  29. fox news on ferguson

    steveg (794291)

  30. umm that was supposed to be in the google search bar…sorry

    steveg (794291)

  31. And if you think it’s about justice:

    Gerald A 11/2006 (2c96c6)

  32. Democrats need Ferguson to explode into several days of rioting in order to energize their base voters to turn out and discourage undecideds from even considering voting for the white power structure illegitimately running roughshod over Ferguson’s peaceful and long suffering minorities.

    Dems are desperate, they need a crisis to exploit, and Ferguson is ripe for the plucking. Time is getting short, Election Day is only 12 days away.

    ropelight (7211a1)

  33. Democrats need Ferguson to explode into several days of rioting in order to energize their base voters to turn out

    That sort of thing would cut both ways.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  34. Rick Perry and George Zimmerman thought that too. But the left plays for keeps and if they need to throw a man’s career under the bus in order to gin up racial strife for political gain, then that guy better have a good lawyer…

    The state’s attorney in St. Louis County shows no sign of being a completely unscrupulous character running a crusade against anyone who defends himself with a gun. He also rebuffed attempts by rabble-rousers and Democratic politicos to get him to relinquish the case to a special prosecutor. His father was a police officer shot dead by a thug in 1964, so he’s likely not invested in the strands of social ideology other Democratic politicos are, and, one might guess, cannot be intimidated by rabble rousers the way Gov. Nixon has been.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  35. the DOJ Community relations service, put the kibosh on the details, so that ‘the narrative’ will spread, now pot happy acting civil right’s division head Gupta, will push for ‘crimethink’ indictment,

    narciso (ee1f88)


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