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9/16/2014

Cop to Daniele Watts: “I’m Mildly Interested That You Have a Publicist, But I’m Going to Get Your ID”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:07 am



And thus does another narrative of a racist white cop collapse with the emergence of facts. The other day, our law-enforcement-loving friends at Reason were telling us about the latest outrage: an acbtress from Django Unchained arrested for KWB (Kissing While Black).

For the “why relations between the American people and their law officers can be strained” department, even in the hallowed halls of Tinseltown (adjacent) and involving stars of the silver screen, such as Daniele Watts of Django Unchained and the TV show Partners fame, cops are still officious asses, as reported by Mic.com:

African-American actress Danièle Watts claims she was “handcuffed and detained” by police officers from the Studio City Police Department in Los Angeles on Thursday after allegedly being mistaken for a prostitute.

According to accounts by Watts and her husband Brian James Lucas, two police officers mistook the couple for a prostitute and client when they were seen showing affection in public. Watts refused to show her ID to the cops when questioned and was subsequently handcuffed and placed in the back of their car while police attempted to ascertain her identity. The two officers released Watts shortly afterwards.

Oh, the horrible and despicable racisms!!!

And then . . .

And then audio of the incident emerged.

In the audio, the officer explains that someone called saying there were lewd acts in the car. Watts repeatedly refuses to show her ID and complains about black people being stopped by the cops, to which the cop asks why Watts is playing the race card, as he had not brought up race. Watts tells the cop: “I can make a scene about it . . . I have a publicist.” The cop responds: “I’m mildly interested that you have a publicist, but I’m going to get your ID.” Well played, Mr. Cop.

In the CNN clip above, note how Watts complains that the cop asked her husband for her ID, apparently oblivious to the fact that the cop was politely not interrupting her phone conversation with her dad. The sympathetic CNN interviewer explains that the cop had the right to ask for ID, and keeps politely asking the clueless Watts why she didn’t just give up her ID. (Once Watts’s husband gave up her ID, the incident was over.) Watts also says “It’s my right and my pleasure to enjoy myself” by making out with her husband passionately in the car. TMZ says: “we’ve learned witnesses from the nearby Art Directors Guild office building told cops they were watching her and her BF have full-on sex in the passenger seat WITH THE DOOR OPEN!” (I love your passion, TMZ!)

Here’s how Reason describes the audio in their update:

[UPDATE: To vicariously live through and hear exactly why Watts, and other Americans, get so aggravated with police, it’s worth listening to some audio of the incident released by celeb gossip website TMZ, in which a Sgt. Parker tells Watts with maddening supercilious arrogance that “I do have more power than you. Yes it’s true. I have more power than you” and “I don’t work for you” and “When I tell you to do something you have to do it, ma’am. That’s the law….We actually have no charges now” when stressing she was not arrested but merely being detained. TMZ also found eyewitnesses who claim that Watts and her husband were having intercourse in the parked car, though nothing in the audio they released corroborates that as the complaint.]

Well, the cop does say someone called about “lewd acts” in the car, so yeah, actually it does corroborate it.

It’s a tough thing to have your narrative destroyed by facts, huh, Reason guys?

So what was initially portrayed in Reason as another Terrible Incident of Racism turns out to be a race-baiting publicity hound being dealt with by a bored, irritated, and decidedly non-racist cop just trying to do his job.

Whaddya know . . .

UPDATE: Husband, not boyfriend. Thanks to Christopher Smith.

158 Responses to “Cop to Daniele Watts: “I’m Mildly Interested That You Have a Publicist, But I’m Going to Get Your ID””

  1. “Reason”, put not your faith in bit-part actresses who have undoubtedly spent more time on the casting couch than on the sound stage.

    nk (dbc370)

  2. Ah Reason…

    It would be one of my favorite websites if it would just be fair about the police. I don’t mean on the other side, and I don’t mean less than skeptical (skepticism of those in power is healthy). I just mean fair, rather than desperate to fit the facts to the cops-are-evil narrative. Sometimes the facts do fit that narrative for an individual abuse, and what Reason doesn’t understand is that those are the times it needs its credibility, which it’s shot with stories like this one.

    Dustin (801032)

  3. Boyfriend or husband? It’s not especially relevant to the incident, but it looks like a repeated error in this article.

    Christopher Smith (fda5c0)

  4. Was the audio unhelpful to the cop? I say it was helpful.

    SarahW (267b14)

  5. By that I mean, cops didn’t want it. Now they have it…and it’s a good thing.

    SarahW (267b14)

  6. Alright, full disclosure, Rainmen do not have a lot of experience in backseats, but I’d say Ms. Watts is more a BJ fare.

    More police stupidity.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  7. The caucus of puerility has their story, and they’re stickin’ to it.

    http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/09/14/apparent_case_o.html#comments

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  8. I have a publicist. How did that work out?

    tmitsss (b94da2)

  9. The most surprising aspect of the story is that anyone in so-called Hollyweird (or blue-blue, bluesy Los Angeles) even bothered to file a complaint about inappropriate behavior in public. Then again, as a sign of just how unhinged people out in the open have gotten through the years — over a decade into the era of Bill-Clinton-as-loveable-icon — even liberal-berserk San Francisco several months ago had to finally pass an ordinance banning public nudity.

    Mark (c160ec)

  10. even liberal-berserk San Francisco several months ago had to finally pass an ordinance banning public nudity.

    They heard Candy Crowley might move there, Mark.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. I had to scroll all the way down IMDB’s web site on the movie to find her. People who saw the movie, which I did not, don’t remember her part. I guess her publicist might have come up with this stunt.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  12. 3. Vegan chef, in a suit?

    http://www.meetup.com/wholefood-108/members/2740405/

    Looks like the publicist wasn’t getting results.

    Fifty dollars does not get her in the car, patrolman, wake up.

    Husband, boyfriend, hook up, john, whatever, it’s LA.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  13. Cop haters gotta hate….

    EPWJ (db4127)

  14. UPDATE: Husband, not boyfriend. Thanks to Christopher Smith.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  15. Must have been the description of their alleged activities in public that sounded more like boyfriend/girlfriend than husband/wife.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  16. And no one ever mentions that one of the primary reasons for AA’s
    having poor interactions with the police is the ton of attitude
    and invective they unleash on even the most reasonable request as
    to why they are doing something that has been reported to the cops.

    It’s always flaming indignation as to how the cop as the temerity to
    question their right to act stupid in public without someone raising
    some questions.

    This ended slightly better because they didn’t have the mentality that
    inspired them to get physical about it.

    Yes the police can be very intrusive and overbearing. But that’s their job
    and getting sass back is one of the first indicators that they are
    dealing with those who’s actions are suspect and deserve further inquiry.

    It’s all about too damn much false pride and self justification.

    We’ve been inspiring idiots with more self esteem than they can handle.

    jakee308 (ba1e65)

  17. Scroll down for a selfie of the handsome couple.

    http://www.re-newsit.com/2014/09/danielle-watts-and-lapd-in-studio-city.html

    His mom must have passed.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  18. I would not service that with nk’s plumbing.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  19. what a nut case. The race card has become the last refuge of a scoundrel publicity seeking actress?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  20. Reason has gone rapidly downhill recently.

    JWB (c1c08f)

  21. Her husband is the ChefBe Live raw food guy. Not that I’d have ever eaten anything he touched to begin with, but now I’d also wonder if it was really fish I was smelling.

    nk (dbc370)

  22. I like Reason, but they should really do a full retraction for this story.

    Dejectedhead (a094a6)

  23. I was shocked that the CNN interview she did had a talking head that really pushed back against her nonsense.

    JD (933358)

  24. The only time prostitution and race came up were when she and her partner introduced said topics. The entire incident was about her feeeeeeelings and entitlement.

    JD (933358)

  25. that’s that street with the nicely-done sculpture garden hardly anyone knows is there

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  26. How far has this country fallen when you can’t engage in lewd acts in public with you spouse or SO?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  27. i don’t know why everyone be bagging on Reason

    we know the LAPD piggy pigs don’t ever deserve the benefit of the doubt and people like the Reason ones help keep Los Angeles citizens safe by letting the rancid piggy pigs know people are watching them very closely and they’ll be held accountable

    sure maybe the occasional unchained django nobody will try to take advantage

    but that’s a small price to pay for when you create an environment where these police thugs can be held accountable

    incidents like this one in Studio City are all to the good precisely because they communicate to the dimbulb LAPD thugs in terms that they can understand that NO

    they can’t expect that people will give them the benefit of the doubt, and they better act accordingly

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  28. Then there’s a light in my eye and a guy says
    Out of the car long hair
    Oowee – you’re coming with me
    Said the local police

    Matador (c02029)

  29. The thing about the 99.9% of racism accusations that are false is that the accusers want there to be racism. It’s how they feel good about themselves.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  30. Cop haters gotta hate cops.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  31. There was the element that her husband was white, and she was not, so in her mind it could be racism to suspect that what people had witnessed was an act of prostitution, rather than merely public lewdness, and that if a white couple had done that, nobody would have thought of anything of that, or at least not called the police after it was over, or the policeman would have said nothing if he arrived after it was over..

    Of course that could only be true if all the prostitutes in the areas were black. Are they?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  32. there aren’t any prostitutes in that area Mr. Sammy

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  33. there sure used to be though

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  34. Fun Fact: President Obama has been trying to shut down the Coal Industry because so many of the employees were performing work in racist black face.

    Dejectedhead (a094a6)

  35. A married woman still eager to perform lewd acts in public with her own husband?

    Of course the cop was suspicious of a story like that.

    That woman deserves a medal.

    ThOR (130453)

  36. The three stages of marital sex, ThOR.

    nk (dbc370)

  37. Waitaminnit, how does this audio help the police? The fact remains, doesn’t it, that the policeman was illegally demanding her ID, and denying her right not to show it. And how else but “supercilious” do you describe a cop saying that “I have more power than you”, “I don’t work for you”, and “When I tell you to do something you have to do it, ma’am. That’s the law”, which it certainly is not?

    The cop says on the audio that he has the right to ask her for ID. Of course that’s true, like anyone else he always has the right to politely ask anyone for ID, but he has to take “no” for an answer.

    I don’t see any hint of racism here, since I’m sure the cop would treat a white person with exactly the same superciliousness and utter disregard for the law, but I can understand a black person jumping to the conclusion that she wouldn’t be treated that way if she were white.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  38. I doubt that what prompted the complaint call(s) could charitable be called “Kissing While Black”….more like SWB, if you know what I mean.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  39. Milhouse, he was responding to a complaint call about a public disturbance, and encountered two people who fit the description of the subjects of that complaint.
    He was entitled, under CA law, to ask them to ID themselves, as I’m sure others here who are more intimate with CA Law than I will patiently explain to you.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  40. 39- ….more….
    You may now return to Reason.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  41. And no, “somebody called” doesn’t, on its own, create reasonable suspicion, especially outside the context of traffic violations.

    Also, the audio does not corroborate the claim that the call was about sexual intercourse. “Lewd act” is a vague term that could mean anything. Assume that she is telling the truth about what they were doing — making out, fully clothed. Now a cop tells her that someone called about a “lewd act”; how is she supposed to intuit from that that the caller made up a story about sexual intercourse? I think anybody in that situation would assume the caller saw what was actually happening, and interpreted it as a lewd act, either out of excessive prudishness or out of racism. If that were the case, telling the cop what the alleged “lewd act” consisted of ought to be enough to dispel any suspicion of a crime, and the cop, not having any reason to doubt the person’s word, should go on his way. Knowing that the call actually specified a sexual act might change that calculation, but the couple didn’t and couldn’t know that.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  42. #37. The cop had the authority to identify Ms. Watts because she was suspected of a crime. It was not a case of a cop walking up and just asking for ID for no reason. There was a report of a lewd act that was performed by a white male and a black female in a Mercedes. He then found a Mercedes that had a White Male and a Black Female, so he suspected them of a crime.

    I would say the cop’s statements about “I have more power than you” and “I don’t work for you” are just true statements. Cops DO have more power than a common citizen and they also do not work FOR common citizens.

    When he said “When I tell you to do something you have to do it, ma’am. That’s the law” in the context of the situation, I don’t think that was exactly wrong either. I believe he was asking specifically about getting the ID, which she does have to provide or be detained (and I think it is a law in Los Angeles or CA).

    Dejectedhead (a094a6)

  43. He was entitled, under CA law, to ask them to ID themselves

    And they were entitled, under CA law, to say no. He was not entitled to demand that they show ID, which they are not required to carry.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  44. Milhouse (9d71c3) — 9/16/2014 @ 12:15 pm

    The cop says on the audio that he has the right to ask her for ID. Of course that’s true, like anyone else he always has the right to politely ask anyone for ID, but he has to take “no” for an answer.

    I think the Supreme Court has said that they can, if state law says they can. Not necessarily to ask for an ID, because a person might not have it with them, but to ask who they are. I am not sure if that is limited to when they are arresting someone or giving them a ticket.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada

    Under the rubric of Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the minimal intrusion on a suspect’s privacy, and the legitimate need of law enforcement officers to quickly dispel suspicion that an individual is engaged in criminal activity, justified requiring a suspect to disclose his or her name.

    http://www.kare11.com/story/news/local/2014/08/29/when-must-you-show-id-to-police/14825985/

    if you are walking down the middle of the state fair, and for no reason a cop asks you for ID, you don’t have to show it, but if police have reasonable suspicion that you are doing something illegal, then you do have to identify yourself.

    http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=1150&issue_id=42007

    Occasionally a suspect will refuse to identify himself. Pursuant to the Supreme Court’s opinion in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Ct. of Nev., a state law requiring a subject to disclose his name during a Terry stop is consistent with the Fourth Amendment’s ban on unreasonable search and seizure:

    It then cites Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Ct. of Nev., 542 U.S. 177, 186 (2004).

    And he did start to arrest her. It was retroactively classified as a detention An investigatory detention on suspicion of prostitution.

    I don’t think if it got so far as to taking fingerprints, so it was only a name check for outstanding warrants. If they get sent to the FBI it does not clear such records. California does not keep such records, which makes it difficult sometimes to obtain a disposition.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  45. The cop had the authority to identify Ms. Watts because she was suspected of a crime. It was not a case of a cop walking up and just asking for ID for no reason. There was a report of a lewd act that was performed by a white male and a black female in a Mercedes. He then found a Mercedes that had a White Male and a Black Female, so he suspected them of a crime.

    That is not enbough, on its own, to detain someone. And even reasonable suspicion does not create a requirement to show ID. If he’s not detaining her for the alleged crime itself, he cannot detain her merely for refusing to identify herself.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  46. And he did start to arrest her. It was retroactively classified as a detention An investigatory detention on suspicion of prostitution.

    There was certainly no grounds to suspect anyone of prostitution.

    And no, CA law does not require ID on reasonable suspicion of a crime.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  47. 45. It is enough to detain someone if they refuse to identify themselves when suspected of a crime.

    Dejectedhead (a094a6)

  48. PS I can’t stick around, still busy with work (thank God) but as I get the occasional breather I’ll dip in to field responses. I can’t commit to a long discussion, though. I just ask that people actually inform themselves of the law, for which Google is your friend. Specifically on two points: the definition of reasonable suspicion (an anonymous call, on its own, is not enough, even under Navarette); and when CA law requires someone to ID themselves (even reasonable suspicion of a crime is not enough).

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  49. No, he can’t require someone to show ID, but I think, and this is bad, they may arrest someone and take them to the police station and take their fingerprints, if they intend to give a ticket or a summons and the person has nothing showing who they are. This may depend on local law enforcement policy.

    They were in a car so somebody was somebody was supposed to have a driver’s license with them

    But it wouldn’t matter who they were. They could be totally unrelated (and besides even if married they might have different last names) and he still couldn’t make a prostitution arrest, unless someone saw money changing hands or overheard solicitation or something. He maybe was checking to see maybe if there was an outstandinbg warrant in her name.

    Maybe he could have charged them with public indeceny etc, except he had no witnesses ready at hand. (and the person who called 911 might not have given a name, although there is caller ID)

    The DA would not want such cases, so he didn’t do anything of the sort, or investigate further. But he did get their names.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  50. I’m good. I don’t feel like I have to change your opinion or anything Milhouse and I’m not feeling up to digging through California and County/City Statutes of a state I don’t even live in for a trivial situation such as this.

    Dejectedhead (a094a6)

  51. They were in a car so somebody was somebody was supposed to have a driver’s license with them

    Not unless the car was being driven at the time. There’s no reason why two non-drivers should not be sitting in a car.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  52. “I just ask that people actually inform themselves of the law, for which Google is your friend.”

    Milhouse – I think you need to inform yourself of the law. One, Watts has fessed up to having sex in the front sex of the car with whoever the man was. Two, where is the assumption of an anonymous call introduced or an arrest rather than on site detention raised other than your imagination?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  53. That is not enbough(sic), on its own, to detain someone.

    And you are an expert on CA law, Milhouse?
    How long have you practiced law before CA courts, and how long have you resided here in the Golden State?
    I think I’m being charitable that on this occasion, on this matter, you know not what you speak.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  54. I am just thankful we have Daniele Watts protecting our freedoms. You know, some hero willing to play the role of a prostitute to create a scene that she could then milk for the PR to educate the entire nation about our rights…cuz she has a college edumacation and stuff and she’s studied the law. [apparently just not enough to understand it]

    I was actually surprised that the description of “white male” and “black female” were allowed to be used. I have become re-educated to expect news reports that say “the police are asking for the public’s help in locating the dangerous suspect described as a male in his 20’s or 30’s. If you have information about the subject’s whereabouts, please call the police.”

    in_awe (7c859a)

  55. twinkle twinkle django star

    you had sex inside your car

    the cops arrive and ask you why

    and in reply you lie and cry

    twinkle twinkle django star

    now we all know who you are

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  56. “…you know not OF what you speak.”

    askeptic (efcf22)

  57. I think yesterday I said that entertainers/celebrities swim in the Sea of Publicity, and she tried to ride a self-created tsunami, and instead got swamped by it.
    I stand by that sentiment.

    “I don’t care what they say about me in the papers as long as they spell my name right.”
    – George Raft.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  58. She’s a publicity whore. Now go apologize to the hounds….uh….now go apologize to the whores.

    Funeral Guy (afbf7b)

  59. Having been pulled over in a car whose plates came up as stolen (it was old news), and witnessing the careful balance the cops had between politeness and wariness until they saw the valid ID matched the valid registration, I have no sympathy for Ms do-what-I-feel-like. If I had behaved as she had, I have no doubt I would have been face down on the pavement in handcuffs in 30 seconds. Thankfully, even back then, I wasn’t that stupid.

    My only complaint was that they gave me a ticket they normally would not have, to create probable cause. And I can thank civil libertarians for that, too.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  60. The thing about the ID is not that they MUST have it, but that it may provide evidence of their assertions (e.g. matching addresses or names), or simply having an ID lessens the possibility of prostitution. Failing to produce an ID may require further detention or investigation, as it would have in my situation in #60.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  61. what a nut case. The race card has become the last refuge of a scoundrel publicity seeking actress?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/16/2014 @ 8:02 am

    Colonel, I’ve come to the conclusion that the race card has been used so often that the magnetic strip on the back has worn off.

    Bill H (f9e4cd)

  62. If he’s not detaining her for the alleged crime itself, he cannot detain her merely for refusing to identify herself.

    If he’s still deciding whether to arrest her on suspicion or not, the ID may be the thing that tips it in her favor. If she refuses to produce it, he may construe that as not favoring her and detain. He’s not detaining for the lack of ID, but the lack of exculpatory evidence, which HAPPENS to be ID.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  63. And Reason continues to swirl down the drain, as another example of dope-smokin’ libertarians seeing racists under every bed. They say pot doesn’t hurt you. Based on what Reason churns out, I have to suspect the opposite. Anyhow, does anyone else see the irony in how Reason jumped to a conclusion, demonstrating anything but logical thought? LOL.

    InRussetShadows (7b08a4)

  64. For anyone who thinks CA police cannot detain for lack of an ID, drive past a police car at 20 MPH over the posted speed and when they pull you over, tell them NO when asked for license and registration.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  65. My favorite aspect is that this adult independent freedom fighting women tried to get the officer to talk to her dad.

    Dejectedhead (a094a6)

  66. Ms. Watts–You played a slave in a movie. You aren’t an ACTUAL slave. Get over yourself.

    Funeral Guy (afbf7b)

  67. REMEMBER NAVARETTE!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  68. 68- What does Ruben have to do with this?

    askeptic (efcf22)

  69. If he’s still deciding whether to arrest her on suspicion or not,

    Police can’t arrest a person on mere suspicion, no matter how reasonable that suspicion is. Arrest requires probable cause, a much higher standard.

    Chuck Bartowski (11fb31)

  70. askeptic – I got no clue, Milhouse brought him in.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  71. Well, that being the case, we can safely ignore it.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  72. the lack of exculpatory evidence, which HAPPENS to be ID.

    How is it exculpatory?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  73. For anyone who thinks CA police cannot detain for lack of an ID, drive past a police car at 20 MPH over the posted speed and when they pull you over, tell them NO when asked for license and registration.

    False analogy. You’re required to have a license in order to drive. Lack of a license while driving is, in and of itself, against the law.

    In this instance, the woman was not suspected of driving without a license and was not required to produce ID.

    Chuck Bartowski (11fb31)

  74. Because it, along with the ID produced by her husband, would show that they have a legal relationship (matching addresses even if the names are different because they DL’s could be in their Professional Name) and were not involved in an elicit activity other than being dumb in public.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  75. 74-
    No, but she was suspected of conducting an elicit activity in public (telephone report to police, and someone actually coming out of the building and telling them to “get a room”).
    All the cop wanted to know was what was going on since he arrived after the activity had ended.
    If she, or he, were “pro’s”, he would run their names through the data base for Wants & Warrants if he believed it was necessary. But, presentation of ID’s with matching data would lend credence to the man/wife scenario, and he’d probably just give them a little “Dutch Uncle” advice.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  76. 75, is in response to 73.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  77. that would be a highly highly unusual street for to have hot steamy prostitute sex on

    especially in the middle of the day

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  78. “was not required to produce ID.”

    Given that there was a complaint, I don’t believe you are correct. Gates’ tantrum in Cambridge was because neighbors feared his house was being burgled and he had no ID. If I remember correctly, he didn’t have his key either and was trying to get in a window.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  79. FYI, and this may have been covered in the above comments, but jumbled. There is a CA law regarding engaging in a lewd act in public [Sect 647(a)PC]. A vehicle parked on the street qualifies as public place, more so if the door is open so passing people can see inside. That is what is claimed by whoever called the cops. The police have the right to detain the apparent participants to further investigate the claimed offense. At that point obtaining identification is proper. If, IF, facts are determined to substantiate the claim, then an arrest can be made for the above offense. It is a misdemeanor and generally eligible for citation, unless certain criteria for denying citation release in the field, one of which is that the person to be cited have identification. If no ID they are to be physically arrested. They may be eligible for citation should identification happen later. The arrest, if it happened, would be for the underlying offense, and “no ID” is merely the reason for no field citation.

    Additional– Prostitution [647(b) PC] is, in a phrase, “sex for money”. In this scenario both would be participants in the crime so the prosecution is stuck with co-defendants providing all the evidence against each other, which is not sufficient.

    I return some of you now to your wild speculation.

    Gramps, the original (7adb80)

  80. “Then there’s a light in my eye and a guy says
    Out of the car long hair
    Oowee – you’re coming with me
    Said the local police”

    and it’s all because ya weren’t wearin’ any pants
    and yer daddy wanted jelly roll…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  81. Well Done, Gramps.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  82. #80 – Cart before horse.

    “… have the right to detain the apparent participants to further investigate the claimed offense.”

    Since the *only* “evidence” of an offense (a phone call) was contradicted by the fact that absolutely nothing was taking place when the officer got there, having her ID would do nothing to further any investigation. In other words, there was NO discernible offense, nor independent evidence of any past offense, so the “investigation” should have ended there.

    Therefore, obtaining ID was not proper, any more than a policeman demanding ID from randomly selected pedestrians.

    Since there was no right to demand ID, arresting her (and don’t tell me that placing her in handcuffs in the back of a police car is not an “arrest” – it’s only called “detaining” because there are statutes about false arrest) was a violation of her 4th amendment rights. Don’t be surprised if this costs the taxpayers a pretty penny.

    I remember when this country used to feel disgust for countries where “Papers, please?” was a fact of life.

    bud (30d398)

  83. Yeah, thanks Gramps. That was very well explained.

    Dustin (801032)

  84. aside from the steamy hot django real-life whore action, and the sculptures on radford, that area is really cool cause of just a street over on Colfax Ave you can see the confluence of the los angeles river and the tujunga wash

    the poets sing tales what suggest that it’s a very very very impressive place to go after we have “rain” here in los angeles – a bizarre and perhaps mythical meteorological event in which water falls from the sky (!)

    when they redesigned the bridge in 2009 they built these amazing thoughtful cut-out thingies where, in the event of this “rain” phenomenon, you can stand above the maelstrom of watery death

    it’s really something else but it’s only been displayed to its full effect a couple time since it was built

    btw

    in the background of that last link you’re looking at 3 sound stages on the CBS lot

    the furthest one away is stage 18 – the home of that “Big Brother” show you older people may watch – it’s on the end of course cause of that way they can fold in the backyard of the big brother “house”

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  85. bud, would you wish to place a small wager on the outcome of this imbroglio?
    I believe the consensus is that there will be no repercussions for either the individual officers, nor for the City.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  86. a couple *times* i mean

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  87. The line between actress and prostitute is so thin that that’s probable cause right there. But public indecency is not limited of prostitution. It can include unpaid sexual acts. It includes flashing, you know the guy with the raincoat. In Chicago, it includes urinating in public view.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. I remember when this country used to feel disgust for countries where “Papers, please?” was a fact of life.

    and i remember when trashy, 3rd rate “actors” didn’t stage bull5hit publicity stunts that waste scarce resources like police protection, so they could emote their “RAYCISSSSSSS!!!” lies in public, to be lapped up bt the MFM and the fools who believe everything they’re told.

    that part of the Valley may be upscale, but it still has hookers operating in broad daylight, just like Sepulveda Blvd in Van Nuys does. she deserved to get rousted, and if she wants sympathy, she should look in the dictionary, right between “5hit” & “syphilis”.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  89. “I remember when this country used to feel disgust for countries where “Papers, please?” was a fact of life.”

    bud – Yeah, as I said above, it’s getting like you can’t have sex in public in this country without somebody asking for your ID unless you live in San Fran.

    The Tyranny, the tyranny.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  90. I believe the consensus is that there will be no repercussions for either the individual officers, nor for the City.

    the officers deserve a medal for NOT being baited into doing something stupid, which is obviously what this skank was hoping for…

    i guess when your career starts out in the gutter, going down into the sewer is a logical progression.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  91. it wasn’t “in public” Mr. daley they were in their car

    they just forgot to close the door

    let he without sin

    motes

    beams

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  92. said car was parked on a public street, which makes it “in public” mr feets.

    next time, they can have sex in their driveway, or their garage, and not have to worry about cops…

    except, of course, that this was all about publicity for an F list actress and her goober boy toy.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  93. of course, if they live in an apartment, or a condo, said spaces would also be public, so they’d still be liable for arrest.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  94. it wasn’t “in public” Mr. daley they were in their car

    they just forgot to close the door

    let he without sin

    motes

    beams

    happyfeet (a785d5) — 9/16/2014 @ 5:18 pm

    I am by no means the legal scholar our President is, Happy, but I do believe there is no expectation of privacy in a car, closed door or not.

    Smooches and embraces are one thing, and generally ignored. Attempting to do the horizontal mambo is something else, and usually frowned on in public. Doing so in a car with an open door, in plain view is going to attract official attention.

    Bill H (f9e4cd)

  95. Feets, is Killer Shrimp still there? Used to love that place when I lived in LA.

    Gazzer (52b89f)

  96. And with all this kerfluffle, my 5c worth.

    She had the right to not show ID. We live in a state where , unless you are carrying out a licensed activity, you do not need to show ID. All you need to do is give your name. OTOH, the officer on scene now has the option to detain you until your identity can be ascertained. I’m willing to bet she didn’t count on that last part.

    Sorry hon, but much as the law covers you, it also applies to you. Black has nothing to do with it.

    And props to the LAPD officer who handled the situation so calmly. Great job.

    Bill H (f9e4cd)

  97. funny how the foreign press had the real story long before the BamBam choirboys deigned to dial back the “RAYCISSS” machine…

    a cynic might conclude that our MFM had an agenda or something.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  98. i wish Mr. gazzer

    it got replaced by a jinky’s restaurant

    i’m not a big fan of jinky’s – they’re boozhie with no pay-off

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  99. c’mon you guys Dr. Phil says raunchy summertime heatwave car sex is like #3 of the top ten ways to “reignite the spark”

    it’s all about being pro-marriage

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  100. ….let he without sin

    motes

    beams

    happyfeet (a785d5) — 9/16/2014 @ 5:18 pm

    One last thing, Happy-

    I NEVER said I was “without sin”. I think most of us have practiced some form of recreational gymnastics in our cars- some more easily than others.

    Bill H (f9e4cd)

  101. good on you Mr. H!

    there’s nothing more American than sex in cars

    except maybe if you’re having sex in a car with Mary Lou Retton

    then you win the Louisiana Purchase

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  102. i’m not a big fan of jinky’s – they’re boozhie with no pay-off

    happyfeet (a785d5) — 9/16/2014 @ 6:05 pm

    At least it isn’t a Norms. Those abominations are a crime against humanity.

    Bill H (f9e4cd)

  103. too bad it’s not a Waffle House…

    THAT would be worth the drive to get there

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  104. i’ve heard good and bad Mr. H

    the good is mostly from hispanics

    me i never done the 2-2-2-2

    it has to be better than North Hollywood Diner

    that place is just sad-making

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  105. i heart Waffle House more than beans if if sometime you can get beat to death there

    east of the Mississippi it’s the best easiest tastiest way to do a low-carb thing

    just ask for 3 scrambles and a quarter

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  106. that’s supposed to say *even if sometimes*

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  107. jinky’s sounds janky

    Gazzer (52b89f)

  108. janky with sprouts on top

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  109. She’s the black Pia Zadora… or is it the black Edie Williams?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  110. Pia Zadora was just in an accident cause of she accidentally falled off a golf cart on her head

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  111. what my wife and I used to get away with in the driver’s seat of my ’64 GTO would now require a HumVee…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  112. “Too Fat to %$##”… dang it!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  113. from American International… coming to a theater near you…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  114. theaters is where you go to get shot to death watching thrice-regurgitated warner bros superhero crap starring rage-monkey welshtrash

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  115. Likewise me and my first wife in a Bug Eye Sprite!!

    Gazzer (52b89f)

  116. The cop was just trying to stop her from voting.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  117. the one time i was at a Jinkys, my impression was that they had an elevated opinion of what their food was worth… which may be driven by the rediculous rents on Ventura Blvd.

    if you charge me north of $12 for a plate of french toast, i better not be hungry when i lean the plate, especially if you want another dollar for a *very* small container of real maple syrup.

    i’d rather shell out a couple bucks for a Tommy’s breakfast burrito, or get a plate of chorizo con huevos at Monzanos.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  118. She’s the black Pia Zadora… or is it the black Edie Williams?

    more like the black Seka… except she was attractive. (and had boobhies %-)

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  119. yeah their food is over-priced for what it is plus the IHOP-like atmosphere

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  120. for breakfast bea bea’s in burbank is a lil pricey but worth it

    it’s so fun to work really really hard to earn the right to taste something from there every three weeks or so

    you don’t get to finish what you order unless you get one of their healthy things (and they have quite a few low-carb granola-muncher options)

    but you can taste

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  121. and i still never been to sweetbutter

    i went to sweetsalt once though and wasn’t very impressed

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  122. Tommy’s is awesome though it really is the best breakfast burrito I’ve found around here

    NG loves it too for lunch

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  123. i like food way more than Daniele Watts does if that picture says anything

    plus I’m unchained

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  124. Here’s how Reason describes the audio in their update:

    [UPDATE: To vicariously live through and hear exactly why Watts, and other Americans, get so aggravated with police, it’s worth listening to some audio of the incident released by celeb gossip website TMZ,

    Problem with certain libertarians is they — as is true of so many liberals from A to Z — have defective (or a lack of) logic on various occasions. So in their resentment towards bossy, ego-power-trip cops (and those type of employees in the public sector won’t generate much love amongst civilians of all political stripes), libertarians can’t, or aren’t willing to, separate legitimate abuses of power from situations best exemplified by what the (most likely) leftwing-loony actress is trying be a martyr about.

    The absurdly, unhealthily high percentage (around 95%) of black America that is of the left is a paradigm of just how corrosive and ass-backwards liberalism is or can be. That ideologically monolithic group certainly illustrates that liberal biases galloping through a people definitely don’t mean a damn thing in terms of their humaneness, decency, integrity, honesty and compassion.

    Mark (c160ec)

  125. @redc1c4 Re: “publicity stunt”

    Do you think, then, that she, or someone associated with her, called the police?

    If not, what guarantee is there that anyone will?

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  126. I used to like to go to Hugo’s on Santa Monica for brunch back in the day.

    Gazzer (52b89f)

  127. #126: they were in a high traffic, high rent district directly adjacent to several multi-story office buildings, in an area where parking is notoriously hard to find…

    why else where they there, except to seek attention? hell, just landing the spot they were in took either effort or luck, or both.

    and yes, lots of locals, whether residents or businesses, would have called the LAPD. (there is no such thing as the “Studio City Police Department”, since Studio City is part of Los Angeles)

    people in upscale areas tend to frown on things that drag their property values down, like prostitutes servicing johns in a car on the public street.

    even people living in the slums of Van Nuys get outraged and call the cops on that sort of thing, so wouldn’t the high rollers?

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  128. i’ve only been to the Riverside Drive Hugo’s and it was a lil too earthy for me

    their lil sister restaurant Hugo’s Taco’s on Coldwater is a gem though (albeit not so much for breakfast)

    the food is good and you get to stand in line with beautiful people plus they have all these different salsas to try

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  129. i was in a Brooks Bros in Austin not long ago bonding with a model/clerk there about Hugo’s tacos

    it was one of the gayest moments of my whole life

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  130. I got say Hi to David Bowie at the one on Santa Monica back in the late 80s.

    Gazzer (52b89f)

  131. 130. …it was one of the gayest moments of my whole life

    happyfeet (a785d5) — 9/16/2014 @ 8:02 pm

    Considering some of your comments I’ve read over the years, I can confidently tell you that wasn’t one of the gayest moments of your life.

    I don’t think it cracks the top 100.

    Steve57 (e9e6e7)

  132. that’s the coolest thing ever

    last week at the one on Riverside I got to say hi to Jocelyn Wildenstein’s ass!

    only to find out later it was actually Barbra Streisand’s face

    :(

    oops my bad

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  133. Do you think, then, that she, or someone associated with her, called the police?

    If not, what guarantee is there that anyone will?

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1) — 9/16/2014 @ 7:45 pm

    If she be whuppin’ some skull, that would seal teh deal.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  134. I haven’t heard of worse case of teh white racisms since that boutique clerk in Switzerland dissed Oprah by showing her the $18k purse first instead of immediately showing the $45k purse Oprah asked to see.

    When will the horror of racism end? Why, the next thing you know Watts won’t even have the her “right” and her “pleasure to enjoy [her]self” to engage in a discreet midday scrog with hubby in the undergrowth at the neighborhood park. Next to the swing set and jungle gym.

    Is it racist to mention the jungle gym?

    I denounce myself.

    Steve57 (e9e6e7)

  135. Problem with certain libertarians is they — as is true of so many liberals from A to Z — have defective (or a lack of) logic on various occasions.

    There are about a half-dozen flavors of libertarianism. The most prevalent one among opinion journalists is the sort trafficked in by the Reason Foundation and the Libertarian Party: “An ideology for people who do not have children”, in the words of Mark Shea or, as Ann Coulter discovered, “The only thing they care about are the drug laws”. And abrasions between cops and the public (which turn out on inspection to have been driven by said public behaving like adolescents). It isn’t defective logic. It’s arrested development.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  136. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/16/2014 @ 6:29 pm

    At least Pia could sing. Edie’s great accomplishment, I think, was standing up.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  137. If someone called from a nearby office building because he/she thought that the couple was doing it in the front seat, in broad daylight, on a city street, then the cops had a right to suspect potential prostitution. We’ve gone downhill as a culture, but sex in broad daylight is still frowned up by most,and is still illegal.

    Ms Watts could have handled this in a much better way. If she wasn’t having sex, all she had to do was smile, and say that she was making out with her husband, show her ID. They all chuckle, and are all on their way.

    What I find curious is that she went full on victim and doesn’t grok that what she was doing could ‘look bad’ to others who also live in her community. However, if she was having sex, then she needs to put a sock in it, sheepishly apologize and just get on with her life. Most people don’t bang their spouses on busy city streets. And yeah, when you’re out in public, at the bare minimum, people are going to have an opinion about it, most of it negative. And none of that has anything to do with ethnicity.

    She must be incredibly immature to want to normalize this behavior.

    annoyed (4fa154)

  138. the LAPD has about 107 things more important to worry about than sex in broad daylight

    but the first 106 all involve nailing down a sweet sweet piggy pension

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  139. After watching the video, I think there is only one reaction to this behavior.

    She’s clearly bipolar.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  140. 139. the LAPD has about 107 things more important to worry about than sex in broad daylight

    happyfeet (a785d5) — 9/16/2014 @ 10:05 pm

    I don’t know any police officers anywhere who think they have anything better to do than check out reports of sex in broad daylight.

    Steve57 (e9e6e7)

  141. i get that about them

    i just

    i question their priorities sometimes

    and their integrity

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  142. Me too. I nearly got run over crossing a street in Waikiki a few years back. The light turned green for me, and I started trucking toward the beach. Then a Honolulu cop just rolled through the red light. He wasn’t speeding and he didn’t have his bubble gum machine or his siren on, he just wasn’t stopping, and I had to jump out of his way. I watched him after he went through the intersection against the light. He just drove down a couple of blocks and went into a convenience store to get a snack.

    That was the last time I ever went to Hawaii. Screw Hawaii. It’s just an overpriced beach with unfriendly Polynesians and cops who try to run over the tourists who are paying the freight. I hope the succeed in seceding and become the third world country they deserve to be.

    Steve57 (e9e6e7)

  143. Suppose you run a business and you have a problem with prostitution on your street. And you call the police. And they tell you, “Sorry but we have better things to do than crack down on it.”

    Businesses call their city councilmen and complain when the police don’t do their job.

    I don’t see how the police responding to this call was wrong. And it would have lasted a few minutes had the woman not been crazy.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  144. Hawaii scares me cause I’m an off-the-beaten-path kinda pikachu and the natives there hate hate hate hate hate white people

    but what can i do

    a cheesy cheesy “luau” is not on my bucket list

    fortunately it’s a big country and I have a lot to do aside from dealing with brutish choom choom hawaii trash

    but it would’ve been nice to see it

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  145. Mr feets – as a person of significant pallor, I have consistently found Hawai’ians to be fun to be around … they seem to have the knack of reflecting the treatment they receive …

    Could that be what you experienced ?

    Alastor (2e7f9f)

  146. Williams was a vixen, askeptic… worked better off her feet.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  147. Proof positive that there is no such thing as “man-caused” global warming is the overabundance of special snowflakes who are so readily “offended”.

    Krebs v Carnot (496882)

  148. 146. …I have consistently found Hawai’ians to be fun to be around … they seem to have the knack of reflecting the treatment they receive …

    Could that be what you experienced ?

    Alastor (2e7f9f) — 9/17/2014 @ 12:18 am

    I can’t speak for feets, but that wasn’t true in my case. I recall one time I was trying to get to a beach in Kauai. I was just driving down the road, and I slowed down for some Hawaiians walking up the road toward me. Instead of letting me through, they started beating on the car.

    From the colorful language I gathered it was “their” beach and haoles weren’t welcome.

    I had a couple of other run-ins with Polynesians with chips on their shoulders, when the only thing they knew about me was that I was driving a rental car so they figured me for a tourist.

    Then there was the time I was sitting in the Shorebird. I forget the name of the hotel, it’s right next to Ford De Russy, but it’s a nice bar right on the beach. So I’m sitting there minding my own business and some Hawaiian guy sits down next to me. He strikes up a conversation. At first he’s talking about how wonderful Hawaii is; it’s an “island paradise.” I politely respond. Pretty soon he’s letting me know he wants his “island paradise” all to himself and he’s tired of the damned tourists. I just look at him and aske, “Why are you telling me this? What are you doing in a tourist bar in a tourist hotel in Waikiki?”

    They are not nice people. As far as I’m concerned they can keep their “locals only” beach and their “island paradise.”

    Steve57 (e9e6e7)

  149. After the Hawaiian guy ruined the Shorebird for me I walked out and went down the beach to Duke’s, and hung out there for a while.

    Steve57 (e9e6e7)

  150. Sorry to hear about bad experiences in Hawai’i. I have been there many times, am clearly a haole tourist, and have never been treated poorly. I was collecting squid late one night in Kaneohe Bay on O’ahu for a research project. As I walked back up the pier, three huge blalahs said to me, “What you got there, you?”

    “Squid,” I replied

    “Lemme see,” the biggest one said, peering into the bucket.

    “Those are really tiny ika,” he said. “Need to cook up a lot of them to eat.”

    I said it was for a science project.

    “Learn a lot, brah,” he said, and they walked away.

    I guess that was my scariest experience.

    On the other hand, I grew up in Los Angeles, and found people far more rude and threatening there.

    Everyone has different experiences. Sorry that some folks had bad ones in Hawai’i.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  151. it’s spelled Hawaii…

    the whole ” ‘ ” thing is a recent affectation, and one of the signs of the racism the locals have developed, with outside encouragement, over the last few decades.

    and yeah, have extended family who lives there, and i *still* have no desire to go back and experience the rudeness of the locals…

    if i want to deal with violent racists, i can find them here in Lost Angels, without having to put up with the TSA violating my constitutional rights and being groped by some perv in public.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  152. What red said. Hawaii and Hawaiians have changed since I first visited back in the early ’80s. There’s been a steadily growing push to recognize Hawaiians as the same category as an Indian tribe. And along the way they’ve been indoctrinated to adopt identity politics with attendant “aggrieved minority” attitudes.

    Steve57 (e9e6e7)

  153. it seems things went a little beyond an innocent public display of affection… http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/17/django-unchained-actress-racism-lapd-daniele-watts-pictures-photos/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  154. Hyper-sexuality is one of the symptoms of Bipolar illness.

    http://www.everydayhealth.com/bipolar-disorder/bipolar-disorder-and-sex.aspx

    AZ Bob (c949f7)

  155. I don’t know any police officers anywhere who think they have anything better to do than check out reports of sex in broad daylight.
    Steve57 (e9e6e7) — 9/16/2014 @ 10:18 pm

    That’s why they keep a set of those diving/gymnast score-cards with them, to rate the performance.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  156. I think this is despicable behavior from the AA woman.
    This isn’t racism, it is a cop who needs to go find a beach somewhere to retire onto and stop trying to suffer fools.
    Crying racism here diminishes every legitimate claim..
    I like Reason and think most of their cop critique is at least good for argument sake, but this chick is nuts.
    The time for yelling at cops is when they are in a very public place and they are overstepping… then you need witnesses to step up at least out of the curiousity of how bad your ass gets kicked.

    On the subject of wonderful Hawaiians, just google north shore fights. All the surf wear people hire “heavies” (literally) and they enforce their beach rights by trying to drown you and punching you in the face all the while. Half of polynesians are crazy and half are the kindest people in the world. The crazy ones tend to hang around surf spots… they don’t surf much. they just hang out, drink beer and start fights with haoles

    steveg (794291)

  157. #86 askeptic-
    I’d be glad to bet a beer, but I don’t think either of us will collect over the net. Virtual beers are just not the same :-)

    I agree with most of the comments here about the woman being a complete dick, if that isn’t a contradiction in terms. She wasn’t polite, hell, she was damned well abusive. Is it because she’s an entitled show-business-personality? Possibly. Is it because, as a black woman, she’s had some really shitty experiences with the police? Probably. Does this excuse her behavior? Hell, no.

    Sticks and stones, etc. She never physically assaulted the cop. She called him vile names.
    SHE NEVER COMMITTED A PROVABLE OFFENSE!

    Were they doing the nasty in public? I looked at the “incriminating” pictures that TMZ stuck up. All I could see was her sitting on his lap… and a pedestrian in the picture who had just walked past who wasn’t in the slightest interested. In a word, TMZ. So, possibly, but it doesn’t matter. When the cop got there, they weren’t, and he had NOTHING to prove that they had, and getting her ID would do nothing to prove it.

    He wanted her ID SO THAT HE COULD CHECK IT! Why? So he could find out if she was wanted for anything. But that’s called a “fishing expedition” and is exactly what the 4th Amendment is aimed at. Police cannot delve into your life unless they have a REASONABLE suspicion. He had no REASON, except his own wounded pride.

    Police have enormous power, and that power must be bounded. He went beyond those bounds.

    bud (30d398)


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