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9/14/2014

President Obama Advising ISIS

Filed under: General — Dana @ 3:29 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Whoa! How to make the enemy quake with fear:

If he had been “an adviser to ISIS,” Mr. Obama added, he would not have killed the hostages but released them and pinned notes on their chests saying, “Stay out of here; this is none of your business.” Such a move, he speculated, might have undercut support for military intervention.

–Dana

117 Responses to “President Obama Advising ISIS”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  2. he thinks and talks like a pothead i think

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  3. after all, no matter what it may be, he can do everything better than ANYONE… speechwriter… spokesman… economist… scumbag leader of pigshlt FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC terrorist herd…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  4. Obama’s plan:

    1) Talk
    2) Incremental targeted attacks to convince them to negotiate.
    3) Go to 1)

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  5. Our Smartest President Evah in action, folks.

    Edoc118 (c37322)

  6. That was real? That wasn’t the onion? Deeply effed up.

    Dustin (801032)

  7. He got me too, Dustin. I thought it was a joke. What a dumbass!

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  8. ISIS is barely a pinprick. It’s too bad our “President” is a two-cent party balloon.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. Obama’s plan:

    1) Talk
    2) Incremental targeted attacks to convince them to negotiate.
    3) Go to 1)

    Kevin M (b357ee) — 9/14/2014 @ 4:13 pm

    You forgot to work in #Smartpower!

    Actually, this might work better:

    1) Talk
    2) Incremental targeted attacks to convince them to negotiate.
    3) ???????
    4) Profit!

    Bill H (f9e4cd)

  10. On second thought, it’s just one criminal giving free, unsolicited advice to another. This administration and their DOI – Department of Injustice – couldn’t be any more corrupt if they tried… a continuing criminal enterprise…

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/09/feds-prison-dinesh-dsouza/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. Little known fact: Germany considered this strategy in 1939, but rejected it due to the logistics nightmare involved in coordinating the supply chain that would provide 13,000,000 plus safety pins. Then they got a discount on railway transport, and the rest is history……

    Russ from Winterset (830aac)

  12. Obama’s plan:

    1) Talk
    2) Incremental targeted attacks to convince them to negotiate.
    3) Go to 1)

    Wasn’t that McNamara’s plan for defeating the Viet Cong?

    askeptic (efcf22)

  13. On what account will a narcissist commit suicide?

    mg (31009b)

  14. I remember a story about how Josef Stalin wanted to get rid of a bunch of Army Officers whose loyalties were in question back in the 30’s. He pinned notes to their shirts, and then loaded them all into a barge on an icy river.

    He ended up sinking the barge with the officers still locked below decks, but that’s not the point of my story. He DID pin notes to their shirts. The rest of it? That’s just Stalin being Stalin. What are you gonna do?

    Russ from Winterset (830aac)

  15. a narcissist threatens suicide as a means of manipulation, but seldom follows through, mg.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  16. Clinton’s foreign policy team tried the same thing back when the Tutsis & Hutus were going at it in Rwanda, but do you know how hard it is to attach notes to a machete?

    I’ve never tried it myself, but I imagine that it’s pretty damn hard. So they just said “Screw it” and went with the plain ol’ machetes.

    Russ from Winterset (830aac)

  17. Dustin (801032) — 9/14/2014 @ 4:46 pm

    That was real? That wasn’t the onion? Deeply effed up.

    Yes, but you have to understand that President Obama was lying when he was pretending
    that that would have been good advice for ISIS.

    It’s like the way a defense lawyer sometimes gives advice to a prosecutor.

    Executing the hostages may have been counterproductive, but what Obama said they should have done instead is completely silly. But he was lying.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  18. The Holy Roman Empire tried this when Attila the Hun was at the gates of Rome, but he just asked the Pope’s Emissaries “What’s a pin?”. Then he boiled the emissaries alive and served them to his dogs.

    Old School, that Attila. Old Freakin’ School.

    Russ from Winterset (830aac)

  19. the medium is the message, if what they broadcast are beheadings, and how to martyr strategies what are we to conclude,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  20. …[Obama] expressed his frustration with the French for paying ransoms to terrorists, asserted that Americans are kidnapped at lower rates because the United States does not, resisted the idea of Kurdistan’s breaking away from Iraq and even speculated on what he would have advised ISIS to do to keep America out of the war in the region….

    …He added that ISIS had made a major strategic error by killing them because the anger it generated resulted in the American public’s quickly backing military action.

    If he had been “an adviser to ISIS,” Mr. Obama added, he would not have killed the hostages but released them and pinned notes on their chests saying, “Stay out of here; this is none of your business.” Such a move, he speculated, might have undercut support for military
    intervention.

    Look again.

    Did he say ISIS??!!!

    The New York Times quotes him as saying “ISIS”

    That must be an editing error, or the result of the New York Times abiding by its code of ethics.

    This was an off-the record session with a number of columnists and magazine writers.

    Although three New York Times columnists and an editorial writer were among those invited to the second session, this account is drawn from people unaffiliated with The Times, some of whom insisted on anonymity because they were not supposed to share details of the conversations.

    Now that sounds like something that could have appeared in the Onion.

    See, the New York Times columnists were bound by their promises of confidentiality, but taht didn’t mean the New York Times couldn’t send a reporter, (who was given the secret guest list, or wa sit secret) and have him ask other people who were here, who didn’t work for the New York Times!

    Naturally, the quotes might not be as accurate as ones he might have gotten from the New York Times, and the New York Times people who were there didn’t check his work..

    So, they have President Obama saying ISIS. The reporter maybe even realized there was a possible problems her, for he explains:

    In quoting his private remarks, the people were recalling what he said from their best memories.

    That was what his sources said.

    In telling the story over to him, they had used the term ‘ISIS’.

    And he couldn’t ask any of these four people from the New York Times who were there.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  21. It’s very obvious executing people like that is counterproductive. So obvious that they must have had to come up with a number of theories within the U.S. government, and everywhere else.

    Maybe they did it to appear powerful or to show they are not scared of the United States. I think they did it, or they started this series of executions because they saw President Obama was hesitating and they could make believe he was scared off, which would tend to scare everybody else off..

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  22. “ISIS Management 101″… soon to be offered as an elective course under “Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals” curriculum in a major university near you…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  23. Sammy, you may believe that “executing people like that is counterproductive” but as far as they are concerned executing people like that is what the Koran commands. So you see, counterproductive or not they will continue, after all they’ve been doing it for over a thousand years.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  24. a prediction… Post-it® stock becomes a “BUY!” tomorrow at the NYSE opening bell…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. As long as it’s possible Col.

    mg (31009b)

  26. The Onion gave up a long time ago. Reality is surreal.

    JD (d3c994)

  27. OBlahblah has passed his expiration date. The whole world has tossed him in the dumpster.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  28. http://nypost.com/2014/09/14/obamas-ship-is-sinking/

    A throbbing, open chancre.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  29. Don’t fall for Obama’s misdirection, he’s cleverly manipulating perceptions, his If I was advising ISIS ploy has several purposes, the first is to establish that he isn’t already in close communication with ISIS. He is and has been since well before he was supplying them with Gaddaffi’s weapons through the CIA Annex in Benghazi. ISIS is his army, he picked the leaders, he supplied the fighters with American military equipment, and he delivered the weapons. Now, he’s calling the shots from the Oval Office.

    The other facet of Obama’s ploy is to create the false impression ISIS should fear a US military response, nothing could be further from the truth. ISIS is begging to get US forces to engage them. They lack the transportation systems to get at us in-force here in North America so they behead innocents to provoke us to come to them. They know once our forces are in-country Obama will set the Rules of Engagement so our troops will be hogtied by impossibly limiting and often contradictory restrictions and thus be easy prey, just like he did in Afghanistan.

    Syria and Iraq are largely open country where US air power can have a decisive impact, but once ISIS is safely ensconced in urban areas surrounded by lots of civilian human shields to protect them, our air advantage drops to near insignificant levels. Time isn’t on our side, and neither is the Commander-in-Chief.

    ropelight (8de7f7)

  30. well said Mr. ropelight

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  31. Syria and Iraq are largely open country where US air power can have a decisive impact, but once ISIS is safely ensconced in urban areas surrounded by lots of civilian human shields to protect them, our air advantage drops to near insignificant levels.

    Why is that, ropelight? In the last war we actually won we bombed the hell out of cities full of civilians and finally they unconditionally surrendered killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. Why not now, today? What has changed where we can no longer defeat the enemy? And the way we do that is kill as many of the enemy as possible, men, women, children, pets, farm animals, anything that moves. If they don’t want to be bombed they should surrender or move the hell out of belligerent countries.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  32. well the Russian method in Chechnya, they call it zachista ‘cleansing’ is much that way, that how Girkin and Bezler operate in the Ukraine today, it has it’s shortcomings,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  33. http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/09/feds-prison-dinesh-dsouza/
    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/14/2014 @ 5:11 pm

    Since it was brought up, I am a novice in such things, what is “money-bundling” and could have d’souza essentially have done the same thing but in a slightly different way to not have technically broken the law??

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  34. I think, Hoagie, that the issue is that since we are fighting factions within a country, rather than the country as a political entity that is at war with us, we are obliged to fight only the faction as possible.
    At least that would seem to be the reasoning to me.
    Certainly, when we liberated Iraq from Hussein, we tried to make the point we were not interested in fighting the people of Iraq as a whole, but to get rid of what we saw as a tyrant who was not necessarily governing with the will of the people.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  35. Money bundling is when you get a bunch of people to give you checks on behalf of a candidate, federal limit $2,600.00 per individual per candidate, and you give it all to the candidate in a bundle. Perfectly legal. That’s how you become a federal judge or an ambassador.

    d’Souza is accused of faking the donors. It was his money but since his contribution is limited to $2,600.00 he put down others as the donors in order to give $20,000,00 or somewhere close to that.

    What he could have done differently is gotten half a million out of Mayor Daley’s offshore numbered accounts, converted it into cash cards, and made individual online donations, in small amounts, to a candidate who had disabled his verification system, while the Democrat appointees on the FEC blocked any investigation.

    nk (dbc370)

  36. Corzine, who made 1.2 billion dissappear, was a major Obama bundler, any questions,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  37. It’s not that we should be indiscriminately bombing civilians. The problem is that when the bad guys hide inside mosques, or schools, or hospitals, we won’t engage when there’s a chance a civilian could get hurt. Even though hiding military assets inside a civilian structure makes it a valid target under the Law of Armed Conflict. Unfortunately, no one in our senior leadership has the balls to go on international television and assert that the enemy’s cowardice caused civilian deaths. Instead, we apologize and offer money to the families, and play right into their hands.

    Edoc118 (c37322)

  38. This admin only ends wars; they don’t win them, which is what you get when you have a participation prize Pres like TFG.

    Gazzer (26a83c)

  39. The “group of visitors” referenced in the article were journalists, or as we call them today, the President’s War Cabinet.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  40. That whole article really just serves to show what an indecisive, weak, petty child Obama is. Despite the NYTimes vain attempts to make it sound like he’s careful and analytical rather than just incapable of making a decision.

    Edoc118 (c37322)

  41. If he had been “an adviser to ISIS,” Mr. Obama added, he would not have killed the hostages but released them and pinned notes on their chests saying, “Stay out of here; this is none of your business.”

    when he released all those terrorists he didn’t pin any notes on them at all

    he just let them scamper free in exchange for a p.o.s. deserter

    he’s about as good at strategy as his hoochie is at making tasty lunches

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  42. So Capt. Training pants is now the COACH of the JV?? If a single member of the Press CORPSE (HHEHEHEHHEHEHE) had a brain, this question would be asked.
    “MR Presidunce, you continue to call this group ISIL. What does that acronym stand for???”
    Or maybe someone could ask a lib if CATHOLIC PRIESTS who committed heinous acts, were actually CATHOLIC? See how logic works??

    Gus (70b624)

  43. If he had been “an adviser to Al Qaeda,” Mr. Obama added, he would have accepted the Guantanamo prisoners back with pinned notes on their chests saying, “Don’t hurt the U.S. or U.S. people any more.”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  44. If he had been “an adviser to Hamas,” Mr. Obama added, he would have continued using human shields.”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  45. R.I.P. Joe Sample, jazz pianist

    Icy (31c5c0)

  46. Remember, he’s better at everything than any of his advisers. The rot has sunk far into the system.

    htom (412a17)

  47. 34.I think, Hoagie, that the issue is that since we are fighting factions within a country, rather than the country as a political entity that is at war with us, we are obliged to fight only the faction as possible.

    If that’s true MD in Philly, then why did we firebomb and carpet bomb damn near every city in Germany killing hundreds of thousands of German civilians when all we wanted was to kill Nazi’s and kill the Nazi leadership?

    When one goes to war with a country one goes to war with everybody in that country. I understand that this is not a traditional war in that respect because we’re at war with a certain group within a certain religion. But guess what? Tough ta-ta’s. If you don’t want to get bombed then you kill the dirty6 bastards yourself or move. But if you force us to fight then we must let the world know our Rules of Engagement are simple: Kill every one we can in the country and keep killing them until either there isn’t anyone left or they surrender unconditionally.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  48. If I was a TERRORIST,
    and you were the Presidunce.
    Would you coddle me anyway,
    Would you trade me for Bergdahl?

    If we had a REAL MEDIA, Obama and his scandals would have dozens of libs in prison, and Opie the Wonder boy, would be living overseas, probably Indonesia, and he’d be golfing 24/7.

    What happened to “us?”

    Gus (70b624)

  49. Yes Hoagie, go back to sleep wimp.

    Gus (70b624)

  50. Remind Obama how the Islamists pinned a note to a Dutch filmmakers chest.

    Of course he deserved it. The future does not belong to those who would mock Mohammad.

    Have Blue (e97630)

  51. Mr. President: JUST. STOP. TALKING!!

    Funeral Guy (afbf7b)

  52. ropelight (8de7f7) — 9/14/2014 @ 6:49 pm

    If all that is anywhere near the truth, he has committed Treason.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  53. Actually, Hoagie, we ‘carpet bombed’ damn few German cities – Dresden being the exception, not the norm.
    Now, we fire-bombed Japanese cities because that precipitated the greatest amount of damage as 95% of the structures were wooden, and Japanese industry was sited everywhere, not in nice ‘sanitary’ industrial zones – I don’t think the government had any M-1 zones, or even C-1.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  54. “This isn’t going to be ‘shock and awe’ with hundreds of airstrikes,” one official said, referring to the initial attack on Baghdad at the opening of the Iraq war in March 2003. “We don’t want this to look like an American war.”

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  55. #53, askeptic, well, sure, but this isn’t his first time, Obama’s done it before, perhaps not as many times as he’s played golf, or appeared at fund raisers, and certainly not as often as he’s been on TV peddling snake oil and talking out of both sides of him mouth at the same time.

    But, make no mistake, treason is Obama’s trade, he’s good at it, it’s why he gets out of bed in the morning, it’s the dynamic motivating his life. That and pulling the wool over ass kissing enablers, he enjoys that part too. Without the opportunity to stab Uncle Sam in the back, Barack Obama would be just another parasitic community organizer with his hand in the till spewing Marxist claptrap peppered with racial hatred and religious bigotry to cover his greedy sick soul.

    ropelight (a51212)

  56. The world has let zippy down, again! When will he get a break from presidenting? What’s his tee time today? Chuck Todd needs to know so he has something else to say besides what the WH soup of the day is.

    hadoop (f7d5ba)

  57. Sorry, askeptic, I used the term “carpet bomb” when I should have just said bombed almost every city in Germany and Japan. We “bombed” almost every city from Heidelberg to Hamburg and Dresden to Berlin and the very act of bombing a city will necessarily kill civilians and lots of them. And that was my real point, not “carpet” bombing.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  58. the USAAF may not have “carpet bombed” German cities, but teh RAF sure as hell did.

    we tried to bounce specific parts of the rubble, the Brits, OTOH, didn’t.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  59. The head of the most endangered commercial bank in the Western World on Scottish independence(keeping 90% of North Sea oil revenue):

    “A “Yes” vote for Scottish independence on Thursday would go down in history as a political and economic mistake as large as Winston Churchill’s decision in 1925 to return the pound to the Gold Standard or the failure of the Federal Reserve to provide sufficient liquidity to the US banking system, which we now know brought on the Great Depression in the US.

    When soiling yourself, make sh!t up, like it’s all on purpose, ‘I meant to do that’.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  60. 58. Nitpick: I thot the Brits burned Dresden to ashes in redress.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  61. Weather, can’t live with it, can’t live without:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-15/us-industrial-production-follows-china-misses-biggest-drop-jan

    Cue ObamaneyCare malaise. It is high time you private sector stumblebums heard the bad news the GOP held in reserve to ensure a ‘wave’ election.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  62. 63. WH prayer before bed, “Please keep everyone’s focus on the non-Islamist on non-Islamist beheadings”.

    When you see the headlines touting strong retail sales, you need to consider what you are actually seeing in the real world. RadioShack will be filing for bankruptcy within months. Wet Seal will follow. Sears is about two years from a bankruptcy filing. JC Penney’s turnaround is a sham. They continue to lose hundreds of millions every quarter and will be filing for bankruptcy within the next couple years. Target and Wal-Mart continue to post awful sales results and have stopped expanding. And as you drive around in your leased BMW, you see more Space Available signs than operating outlets in every strip center in America.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  63. Hoagie, the difference between ISIS now compared to Germany and Japan then is a crucial one. Then we were at war with a nation state actively supported by the overwhelming majority of its people. Today we’re faced with an altogether different situation.

    The urban populations of both Syria and Iraq didn’t seek the formation of ISIS’s army, they didn’t have a choice then and they don’t have one now. When ISIS comes to town it’s either bow down in supplication or lose your head. These despicable ISIS monsters tolerate no fence straddling and any attempt to do so is met with machine guns and swords. There is no reason for American bombs to heap more grief and destruction on people who are not our enemies.

    You’re right about attacking our enemies though, we shouldn’t hesitate, we should strike them immediately, directly, and with all the violence we can muster and keep right on pounding them till they’re forced to hide in dirty little holes in the ground trembling in fear and wondering why everything they did blew up in their faces. I’m foursquare for obliterating ISIS, but we have no quarrel with their civilian victims.

    Besides, our most important fight is right here, and it’s with the occupant of the White House and with his enablers in the Democrat Party, their union and media allies, and with their entitled dependent populations. We can’t bomb Obama out of office, but he has to go or we’ll never win against ISIS.

    ropelight (a51212)

  64. 33. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/14/2014 @ 7:24 pm

    Since it was brought up, I am a novice in such things, what is “money-bundling”

    Money bundling is when somebody collects contributions (in the form of checks usually) and delivers them all at one time to the candidate. It could also be simply soliciting the contributions. He just makes sure the candidate knows he owes all that money to him, so it’s like he gave it all himself..

    He also saves the candidate a lot of work, as the practice nowadays is always to have the candidate personally ask for money, because the candidate gets a lot more from more people when he asks in person, so the consultants have the candidates spending a large amount of time on the phone asking for relatively piddling amounts of money. (meaning something like $1,000 or $2,000.)

    Maybe more, as maybe he can ask for someone to give to a party committee – which might give him back some or spend money on his behalf, or even an independent committee, since the only thing that’s illegal is co-ordination, but asking someone to give them money is probably not now considered co-ordination.

    Of course, if you are a Republican politician in Texas, anything might become illegal!

    And Wisconsin prosecutors are even tougher on Republicans.

    Bundling can sometimes be a cover for hidden or over the limit campaign contributions when the people who wrote the checks didn’t really contribute the money, or were reimbursed.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  65. Executing the hostages may have been counterproductive, but what Obama said they should have done instead is completely silly.

    ISIS is intentionally provoking us. That’s the purpose behind the dramatic series of videos, obviously. Executing hostages was not counterproductive to that goal.

    Dustin (801032)

  66. and could have d’souza essentially have done the same thing but in a slightly different way to not have technically broken the law??

    Of course Dinesh D’Souza could have helped the candidate with money in many many ways – most easily by giving to some kind of indepedently run committee to get the candidate elected.

    Or he could have placed his own ads.

    If he knew what he was doing he could have done a lot of things, but he was an amateur, and what he did also was trivial..

    While the prosecutor is pretending this is about money, or about deterring illegal campaign contributions, it’s not.

    This is about a reporting violation.

    It is the ultimate no-no – reimbursing someone * else who gave a campaign contribution.

    * except maybe a spouse, whom we will pretend is never reimbursed, and makes decisions independently using their own money.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  67. strikingly they did a survey of the effects of the bombing after the war, Nitze, future Defense chief McNamara, and they found bombing did not weaken the German’s resolve, quite the contrary, he didn’t take any lessons from this,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  68. Dustin: ISIS is intentionally provoking us. That’s the purpose behind the dramatic series of videos, obviously. Executing hostages was not counterproductive to that goal.

    ISIS can’t want this, but perhaps somebody giving advice to ISIS might.

    This is the Putin or KGB theory – that Putin, in a very general way, is promoting small wars all over the world, acting maybe through third or fourth countries.

    Syria and Iran could also want this.

    There would have to a number of doule agents here.

    By the way, Obama ia probably not lying when he said that he would give ISIS this advice. The lie is that this is good advice for ISIS.

    Perhaps such advice actually has been given, and taken.

    For al-Nusra – ORIGINAL AL QAEDA (®) did release an American prisoner without any kind of ransom or conditions, we are told, as well 45 Fijian peacekeepers.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  69. The bombing in Vietnam was much more targeted, but still mostly useless. Except maybe when they bombed Hanoi and Haiphong.

    During World War II the United States did daylight bombing, while the British did night bombing, which had no targets at all, because in those days they couldn’t determine what they doing at night, but the U.S. did try targets, and it was that the Stratgic Bombing survey said was basically worthless (or did they say only that the idea of weakening morale and resistance was?)

    The Schwartze Kappele thought it was retaliation for the murder of the Jews, like the British had been asked to do by part of the Polish resistance (or for the bombing of Britain?) but it wasn’t and the British never tried to draw any connection to anything.

    It was just stupid. Stupidity on the part of Air Marshal Harris. Not that this did not disrupt things, and probably force precautions, but it didn’t help too much.

    Now we know much, much better, and we know what targets to hit, although this business of bombing something just to bomb, or pretending there is a good and logical target, does come up in warfare.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  70. In the early days of post-Watergate campaign finance regulation (and although there were some complaints about Nixon raising big money, Watergate was not about campaign finance law violations or lax laws, even though some unreported money was used to pay the burglars) George Steinbrenner, the future Yankees owner, reimbursed some of his employees and pled guilty, but I don’t think he went to jail.

    Wikipedia indicates just got a small fine, and was suspended from baseball for a period. And that was on a larger scale. Steinbrenner blamed it on bad legal advice, nor he said did he tell any employee to conceal the facts, and President Reagan later pardoned him when he was leaving office at the beginning of 1989, about 15 years after he pleaded guilty..

    D’Souza probably didn’t ask any kind of legal advice from anybody and that’s why this happened.

    What bothers the prosecutor is not anything bad that happened, or could happen, it’s simply that this is a big, big no-no. And to say anything else is a lie.

    Background: They had passed a law saying campaign contributions for president had to be reported – there were no dollar limits – starting April 7, 1972, so Maurice Stans, the Finance Chaorman of Nixon’s Re-election committee – went around asking people to give money using as a selling point that if they gave before April 7, it would not be reported. There were people in Congress and other places who didn’t like this, although in fact it was not linked to corruption, and no connection to anything corrupt was ever drawn as far as I know. Stans was arguing patriotism, and comparing this to philantrophy..

    In 1974 Congress enacted campaign finance limits, which however were much easier on PACs – Political Action Committees, this institutionalizing influence peddling.

    The pre-Watergate system was much, much better.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  71. Hoagie (4dfb34) — 9/14/2014 @ 6:07 pm

    Sammy, you may believe that “executing people like that is counterproductive” but as far as they are concerned executing people like that is what the Koran commands. So you see, counterproductive or not they will continue, after all they’ve been doing it for over a thousand years.

    If that’s what the Koran commands, then why do they spread it out over weeks? Maybe you can say permits, but in that case it is still a political and/or military decision. If they cite anything from religion, and they’re not doing it here, it;s only an excuse.

    They also executed (only?) 2 out of 19 Lebanese soldiers they captured, and not both on the same day.

    Islamic State says executes second Lebanese soldier

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  72. They’re Arabs. It probably takes them a week to shift out of their slovenliness and get up the energy to execute somebody. Months to set up the video camera.

    nk (dbc370)

  73. “Obama ia probably not lying when he said that he would give ISIS this advice. The lie is that this is good advice for ISIS.”

    I do not get, at this late date, why anyone thinks Dog’s Breakfast is even an average intellect.

    He has no achievements that were not handed him. None. What do you have after 50 years of neglect, misuse, and lethargy? A coke-addled, doped up infant.

    An evident talent for mindless BS is all this post’s quote signifies. What you see is all you’ll ever see, Bolshevik Steppin’ Fetchit.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  74. While some of it was intentional (like Dresden and the Doolittle raids), part of the reason for the vast amount of collateral damage in WWII was because our targeting technology at the time consisted of a guy looking through a window in the bottom of the plane going “yup, that looks like the building we’re supposed to hit.” Then they’d drop a couple dozen bombs and hope one of them took out the target. Today, our targeting technology is accurate to less than a meter. So if we know hajji is storing rockets in a building at coordinates XYZ, we can put a JDAM through the roof, instead of leveling the whole neighborhood. Of course, it typically takes 6 lawyers and two flag officers to get permission to drop a bomb in a civilian neighborhood, regardless of how much information you have about what’s inside.

    Edoc118 (c37322)

  75. 76. Acknowledged, but the incentive for purposefulness has flown.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  76. ISIS can’t want this,

    Well, Sammy, I don’t know what to say. They appear to want this. They appear to be pure evil in the name of an evil creed that loves bloodshed and death. Of course if they were reasonable they wouldn’t want this. That’s the point.

    Dustin (801032)

  77. Amerikkka, what difference at this point could it possibly make?

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/09/report-team-hillary-scrubbed-benghazi-docs/#more-99611

    Democracy is a sham, a bad joke.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  78. Well, first, safety pins are racist, and sewing machines are too. Have you seen Jihadi John’s outfit? Clearly a wraparound.

    Second, ISIS is just like us. They’re just offended by everybody’s racism. As soon as Obambi offers them some seats in parliament, they will lay down their arms…er, ragged-edged knives.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  79. Via Wired:

    In a worst-case hypothetical scenario, should the outbreak continue with recent trends, the case burden could gain an additional 77,181 to 277,124 cases by the end of 2014.

    And, conservatively, 50% of them deaths. Now Zmapp in quantity will lag another few months into 2015 so that case total will double 4 more times before meeting some resistance.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  80. In a worst-case hypothetical scenario, should the outbreak continue with recent trends, the case burden could gain an additional 77,181 to 277,124 cases by the end of 2014.

    And, of course, time stops on December 31, 2014.

    gary gulrud (46ca75) — 9/15/2014 @ 9:03 am

    And, conservatively, 50% of them deaths.

    Of officially recoognized cases. Many, many more people are probably infected. The same thing used to be true of polio – many many more people got infected than came down with paralysis of anything.

    There are some places we=here 34% of the population has antibodies and may be immune,

    Now Zmapp in quantity will lag another few months into 2015 so that case total will double 4 more times before meeting some resistance.

    ZMapp will not be made in quantity.

    As I have said ZMapp is nothing but a Rube Goldberg (but most definitely patentable!) method of producing ebola antibodies using tobacco plants.

    Antibodies can also come from blood transfusions from people who have recovered.

    Kent Brantly got one such blood transfusion while he was still in Liberia, and just now flew to Nebraska to give one himself to an evacuated doctor who turned out to be a perfect blood type match.

    The WHO is beginning to recommend blood transfusions, but this needs to be organized.

    They could also give statins, which may raise survivability quite a lot. Plus 250,000 units of Vitamin A once every six months to everybody in the ebola zone who can safely take it. And theer’s lots more, if they are willing to think.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  81. Ebola could possibly spread to Europe via imported fruit and then to the United States.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  82. 83. Nope.

    Seriously, Sammy boy, are you self-educated or did you get As in school? From whence does this overwhelming need to opine devolve?

    Do people at your work stop to listen to you? Did Mom?

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  83. ISIS must believe this will add to the allure and attraction… adds a little mystery…

    http://www.jammiewf.com/2014/as-part-of-sharia-crackdown-in-syria-isis-now-covering-up-goat-genitalia/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  84. 82. “Kent Brantly got one such blood transfusion while he was still in Liberia, and just now flew to Nebraska to give one himself to an evacuated doctor who turned out to be a perfect blood type match.”

    The early reports, prior to Brantly’s return, were that a 14 year old survivor was the source of a transfusion. I personally, in my small way, gave this rumor life, but have not seen confirmation.

    Blood serum transfusions do not involve whole blood.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  85. 86. I did see a report that a survivor was the source of the Zmapp monoclonal antibody, but again we’re working with the MFM.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  86. I remember getting sent home from elementary school with a note detailing my crimes pinned to my shirt. They called my house, no answer. But they still sent me home. Someone needed to do this to the Obama in 2008, but instead we got introduced to the John McCain chimera… POW with heart of a lion, Presidential candidate with head of a goat. Fire shooting out his ass

    steveg (794291)

  87. gary gulrud (46ca75) — 9/15/2014 @ 9:52 am

    Seriously, Sammy boy, are you self-educated or did you get As in school?

    Well, kind of both. I tended to get A’s in the beginning. I’d say I’m more self-educated. I have the equivalent of A’s.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  88. more like the mental equivalent of AIDS, Sammy…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  89. http://www.popsci.com/article/science/zmapp-experimental-ebola-treatment-explained

    ZMapp itself is made up of proteins called monoclonal antibodies, which bind to the Ebola virus rendering it harmless. The drug is made by infecting mice with a protein from the Ebola virus, and then modifying the mice’s antibodies to more closely resemble human ones.

    The results then need to be produced in large volumes, so scientists have turned to an interesting ally: plants. A gene from the modified antibodies is introduced to the leaves of tobacco plants, via a system developed by Icon Genetics. The leaves then produce the intended monoclonal “plantibody” proteins.

    In other words, a Rube Goldberg method of producing ebola antibodies using tobacco plants.

    You only need the mice to get started.

    Here are some links discussing non-Rube-Goldberg methods of producing antibodies:

    http://bioenergy.asu.edu/photosyn/courses/BIO_343/lecture/antibio.html

    http://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/8966/possibility-and-feasibility-of-producing-designed-antibodies-with-bacteria

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19252842

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  90. My CLEP and GRE test scores were the equivalent of A’s in just about every case. In general, there’s a range that is equivalent to an A or B etc

    Of course, these were subjects I picked. I had to meet distribution requirements of course.

    And I had some years on the reference group (college seniors)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  91. NBC News: Ebola Treatment: How Big Tobacco and the Military Came Together

    A company needs all the help it can get to get past the FDA.

    Therefore, this Rube Goldberg method that enlists the tobacco lobby. Maybe starting with tobacco farmers but Reynolds American has gotten behind it.

    . The idea is to find somebeneficialuse for tobacco.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  92. Reynolds spokesman David Howard….said.

    “Really, the big picture is tobacco consumption in one form, and then you have other utilizations of the tobacco plant — certainly, looking at it from a scientific perspective,” Howard said.

    “Though this is all relatively new and there’s still a long ways to go and a lot of things are going to happen as we go into drug-approval protocols with ZMapp … I think certainly it shows great promise that the tobacco plant can be utilized for such things. We’ll see where that goes. We’re certainly optimistic,” Howard said

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  93. Hoagie- I don’t want to argue, we agree too much, I just offered an attempted explanation. Especially in the current case where ISIS is at war with various groups in Iraq, it wouldn’t make sense to wipe out wide areas,
    which is why Obama should have done something when they were first sweeping across the desert.

    Thanks folks about the bundling, but her is my question,
    are we sure a money bundler is actually receiving donations from people and putting them together, or is some rich person just saying, “Here is all of this money that all of these people gave me” when half of the money is really his.
    Or does he throw some swanky party and “charge” people for coming, and he foots the bill for the party and the money goes elsewhere?

    Sammy, lots of molecular biology is “Rube Goldberg”, you splice genes for insulin or Ebola antibodies or whatever into something else like a bacteria that you can grow in a vat or a plant that you can grow rapidly in a field.

    yes, in Nebraska they could spin down Brantley’s blood and just give plasma to the other guy. If Brantley did indeed get a “transfusion” from a recovered patient, they may not have had such technology to separate the plasma and gave whole blood instead. In fact, once upon a time I think they transfused directly from one patient to another, one cot elevated, the receiving person on the ground, gravity determined the flow of blood. (I think, that was before my time, even though I did my training in the previous millennium.

    Ebola transmitted via fruit?????
    Only if the boxes of fruit contained infected bats as well.
    (Like the old time big bunches of bananas with snakes and Brazilian Wandering Spiders crawling in them. My dad had some experiences with those working his way through college in the produce section of a supermarket.)

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  94. 1. are we sure a money bundler is actually receiving donations from people and putting them together, or is some rich person just saying, “Here is all of this money that all of these people gave me” when half of the money is really his. That depends on whether he is a Republican or a Democrat. That is the crime D’Souza is charged with.
    2. Or does he throw some swanky party and “charge” people for coming, and he foots the bill for the party and the money goes elsewhere? As long as he does not foot more than $2,650.00 on behalf on any individual candidate or more than $5,000.00 for the political party. Barbara Streisand can throw a $30,000.00 a plate fundraiser. But at the end of the day, the money from that $30,000.00 ticket must be split up so that no one candidate gets more than the federal limit from each individual purchaser. So from George Clooney’s ticket, $5,000.00 would go to the DNC, $2,650.00 to BO, $2,650.00 to Feinstein, $2,650.00 to Boxer, $2,650.00 to Pelosi etc. just for purposes of illustration.

    nk (dbc370)

  95. Thanks, nk
    In some ways, not that I’m trying to make excuses, I’m thinking that what D’Souza was guilty of was not being skillful at what is commonly done by others.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  96. I’ve worked on a Congressional campaign. The rules are pretty complicated. The finance manager and I (assisting him) were both lawyers and we still had outside professional consultants.

    nk (dbc370)

  97. Obama’s plan for Syria is to wait until he can raise and train a ground army of Syrians, except that if he gets a good opportunity to kill the caliph, he will.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  98. nk (dbc370) — 9/15/2014 @ 2:35 pm

    Do all of those rules maker anything better, or are they mainly ways to keep “Mr. Smith” from being able to get to Washington without the help of people who are the pros?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  99. I think there should be unlimited money in politics. Money is speech these days as the SCOAMF proved when he outspent the Arizona deadwood $800m to $80m in 2008.

    The damage is from the attempts at reform. The post-Watergate one (when Watergate had nothing to do with campaign finance, right?) and then McCain-Feingold. Both were eviscerated for First Amendment infringements and what was left is even worse than Congress started out with.

    And in direct answer to your question, I do believe that the purpose of campaign finance laws is 1) to protect incumbents and 2) to protect the two-party system.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. I would restrict it to U.S. citizens. I wouldn’t want the Saudis funding our elections.

    nk (dbc370)

  101. If he were an advisor to ISIS they would cut his head off when they found out he was a homosexual.

    SD Harms (ede879)

  102. 102.I would restrict it to U.S. citizens.

    Hell, nk, I’d be happy at this point if the traitorous leftists would restrict voting to U.S, citizens. They’re trying to pass a law in New York giving illegals the vote, access to all welfare beni’s, driver licenses, housing, free health insurance and more. I mean at that point what is the actual difference between an illegal and an American citizen? Or does that mean the entire world is de facto American citizens?

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  103. At one point I thought unlimited money was fine, but keep things in the open as to who gave what.
    But that was before giving to the politically incorrect cause could result in lots of grief and losing your job.
    I still think things should not be limited, as it seems to me people with lots of money can pay lawyers and consultants to figure out how to do end runs, and the people of more modest means suffer.
    Maybe require donations over some large amount like $100,000 to be public. Anyone with that kind of money should be relatively immune from losing their job. But that is just an idea off of the top of my head, subject to rethinking.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  104. 104. Hoagie (4dfb34) — 9/15/2014 @ 5:56 pm

    I mean at that point what is the actual difference between an illegal and an American citizen?

    They can’t travel, especially outside of the United States.

    This is a proposed bill, and some Republicans have decided to make it a campaign issue some place, arguing this could happen if Democrats gain control of the State Senate, and the New York Post made it a front page headline today.

    But states can’t naturalize people as citizens. Having them vote is somewhat unlikely, except maybe in local elections, but that would be hard to manage.

    Or does that mean the entire world is de facto American citizens

    Well, no, they’d still have residency qualifications.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  105. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/15/2014 @ 6:06 pm

    Maybe require donations over some large amount like $100,000 to be public. Anyone with that kind of money should be relatively immune from losing their job. But that is just an idea off of the top of my head, subject to rethinking.

    That could still deter a lot of people – their business could be threatened with boycott, or with malicious or unfriendly acts, but then who has to give $100,000? If somebody gives that much, they are probably pretty actively involved.

    Reporting of campaign financed has been used to deter people from giving.

    I might say set the limit at the point where a candidate could not find many more contributors than he needed. Or that might be the level somebody could give.

    I think allowing a few “angels” would be very helpful. Now the only way to jump start a campaign is for a very rich person to run himself.

    In 1968 Eugene McCarthy had a few contributors and raising money wasn’t a big problem. And if one person wouldn’t have given him, another would have. There was a critical mass of people who wanted him, or somebody to run.

    Hubert Humphrey would ask a few people he knew who had given him before. Maybe he didn’t like doing it, but he didn’t have to ask several thousand people.

    That’s how it worked. Fundraising did not take up a candidate’s time, or was there any link to corruption except for candidates or officeholders people who specialized in an industry or something like that, and now you have it much worse..

    There is a proposal around which the incumbents have not adopted. This is to give people tax rebates on the amount of any campaign contribution up to a certain dollar amount. That would make raising money much easier, and you could also avoid this whole business of qualifying for matching funds. But a candidate still needs seed money. it’s not legal even for a relative now.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  106. Your daily Chicken Little:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/research-model-predicts-1-1-million-to-2-3-million-ebola-deaths-by-september-2015/

    Mouth About Glans is fixing to ask Congress for $1 Billion to fight Ebola. Multipurpose drones, doubtless.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  107. fighting Ebola is easy…

    quarantine the continent, and secure our borders so no one can sneak in.

    that’s how you beat a viral epidemic. isolate the virus and let it burn out.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  108. The man is cognitively impaired. Too much week at a young age.

    Jenny (a343bb)

  109. That was too much weed.

    Jenny (a343bb)

  110. 109. I’m thinking the West has seen your plan and is implementing it.

    Does suck that one’s ancestors weren’t press ganged into slavery by non-Islamists of an earlier time.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  111. actually, various African tribes captured their neighbors, then sold them to Mooseslime slave traders, who sold the unlucky souls for export

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  112. gary gulrud (46ca75) — 9/15/2014 @ 8:05 pm

    gary, looking at your link and the actual tables…aren’t those numbers actually billion with a b, not million?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  113. Obama is acting as slowly and ineffectively with ebola as he is with ISIS – and there are no pacifists here.

    He’s making a speech today where he will announce some not quite as ineffective measures as last week.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  114. ZMapp actually is an example of picking winners and losers.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  115. I wrote:

    21.It’s very obvious executing people like that is counterproductive. So obvious that they must have had to come up with a number of theories within the U.S. government, and everywhere else.

    I finally thought through and remembered.

    It is indeed counterproductive if the aim as to stop the United States from intervening. But that is not the immediate intention.

    What Obama, and all the others, didn’t realize, is that ISIS did have a specific intention is killing these hostages, although it wasn’t the main one they stated because to state it too baldly would have been counterproductive.

    It is not that they don’t (only) want U.S troops or airstrikes there.

    They don’t want any U.S. reporters in Syria. Or any aid workers.

    They don’t want witnesses.

    They want the areas they control to be an intelligence free zone, and they don’t want people motivating other people to get involved..

    They actually let their targets know exactly what the reason was for executing people:

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/syria/140821/text-last-email-islamic-state-sent-foley-family

    As for the scum of your society who are held prisoner by us, THEY DARED TO ENTER THE LION’S DEN AND WHERE [sic] EATEN!

    In many other places, like Libya, there really aren’t any reporters. Or aid workers.

    But reporters and aid workers persist in going into Syria.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)


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