Patterico's Pontifications

9/13/2014

Refusing To Believe There Is Such A Thing As Evil

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:47 am



[guest post by Dana]

Earlier this week, I put up a post wherein Thomas Friedman opined that the terror group ISIS feels shame at what it is doing. I found myself simultaneously unsurprised and yet incredulous that he would ascribe a functioning moral code to a group like ISIS. Because really?

MDinPhilly commented:

Some people just refuse to believe there is such a thing as evil, and such a thing as good.
Maybe they have a deep down and intense desire to refuse to deal with the implications of such moral and spiritual realities.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/9/2014 @ 7:18 am

I agree with this and as such, have been thinking about the reluctance or inability of some to assign a reality of evil in this world. Of course, the reluctance to believe it exists in human form is nothing new. More than sixty years ago, a smart man understood that in order to convince the world of a very real manifestation of pure evil and to prevent any attempts at erasure or denial, it would be necessary to record and visually preserve what had taken place. However, as this new face of evil becomes increasingly defined and personified in its brazenly brutal demonstrated reality, can a tipping point ever be reached that would actually compel the Friedmans of the world to, and without hesitation, acknowledge and agree that there is evil? A shameless, nonredeemable evil that seeks to destroy all who get in its way, an evil from which there is no coming back, no rehabilitation possible, and no want of it either for it does not value life and the currency preferred is death? Perhaps those who soft-pedal evil simply cannot wrap their minds around the breadth and depth of brutality – in spite of visual evidence and confirmation. However, I tend to believe that it’s that their own personal fear that demands any possible declaration of evil be kept at bay, lest it shatter core foundational beliefs that all people are inherently good. And if a dismantling of that core belief happens, what is one left with?

Consider the Catholic, Washington-based Maryknoll Office for Global Concerns and 53 national religious groups trying to persuade the president that military efforts are not the answer to stem the onslaught of ISIS:

“U.S. military action is not the answer. We believe that the way to address the crisis is through long-term investments in supporting inclusive governance and diplomacy, nonviolent resistance, sustainable development, and community-level peace and reconciliation processes.”

Further, presenting bullet points of advisement in the name of Jesus, they claim they want to protect all people, but there are “better, more effective, more healthy and more humanizing ways” to accomplish this:

*Stop U.S. bombing in Iraq “to prevent bloodshed, instability and the accumulation of grievances.”
*Provide “robust humanitarian assistance” to refugees fleeing the violence, “in coordination with the United Nations.”
*Engage with the UN, all Iraqi political and religious leaders, and others in the international community on diplomatic efforts.
*Support community-based nonviolent resistance strategies to transform the conflict and meet the deeper need and grievances of all parties.
*Strengthen financial sanctions against armed actors in the region by working through the UN Security Council.
*Bring in professionally trained unarmed civilian protection organizations.
*An arms embargo on all parties to the conflict.
*Support Iraqi civil society efforts to build peace, reconciliation, and accountability at the community level.

With what I consider a mind-boggling view of human nature, I question if that elusive tipping point would come even if these Friedmans of the world most horribly found themselves with their own necks under the murderous blade of ISIS.

–Dana

109 Responses to “Refusing To Believe There Is Such A Thing As Evil”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  2. Bring in professionally trained unarmed civilian protection organizations.

    precious monkeys

    too cute

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  3. the Maryknolls were the ones Tip O’Neil listened to, when it came to the Sandinistas, whenever Contra funding came up, as you see from the other link, the people we are partnering with, trained through Saudi or Qatari auspices, are indeed willing to partner with ISIS, and there seems to be little objection to that,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  4. It seems to me that liberals are very likely to see true ‘evil’ when they look at conservatives. I know that somewhat trivializes the arguments put forth in the article, but there it is. They actively hate conservatives because they are good and we are evil.

    TimothyJ (a33d78)

  5. Refusal to recognize intrinsic Evil allows one to also ignore
    intrinsic Good.

    Most liberals don’t want to acknowledge a outside source of either.
    That upsets their rejection of God (and the Devil).

    Nor that that they have existed for at least as long as humans have
    recorded events.

    For if there is eternal and intrinsic Evil in the world it’s a short
    step to believing that there is a ultimate source and that there is
    an ultimate source of eternal and intrinsic Good.

    This leaves no room for them to be masters of all they survey.

    jakee308 (ba1e65)

  6. I want to bring as much attention to this terrible murder as I can – the kid was a great kid, full of promise, a loving son who believed in service to others.

    He had just finished his freshman year at UR- and he was killed by a crazed wannabee jihadi – although his murder was first painted as a common robbery.

    http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/ur-student-might-have-been-slain-as-vengeance-for-u/article_9975226e-3a90-11e4-86fa-0017a43b2370.html

    SarahW (267b14)

  7. 2008: When serving as U.S. attorney for New Jersey, Christie embraced and kissed Mohammed Qatanani, imam of the Islamic Center of Passaic County, and praised him as “a man of great goodwill.” He did this after Qatanani had publicly ranted against Jews and in support of funding Hamas, a U.S. government–designated terror organization, and on the eve of his deportation hearing for not hiding an Israeli conviction for membership in Hamas. In addition, Christie designated a top aide, Assistant U.S. Attorney Charles McKenna, to testify as a character witness for Qatanani.

    Porky porky Chris Christie’s New Jersey is a fertile swamp for this sort of rambunctiousness and very adept at looking the other way

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  8. Republicans are the living proof that evil exists!

    rodham (2f3b4c)

  9. yes, that’s a blind spot the size of a womprat, interesting when Cruz speaks out in favor of Israel, in an assembly of Middle East Christians,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  10. That’s only one link….can’t post from the phone….

    reff (4f9efd)

  11. middle eastern Christians should try having more better manners and maybe people would be nicer to them

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  12. I am too much of the mind that those in denial of the existence of evil are saturated in it.

    htom (412a17)

  13. If Perry didn’t exist, it would be hard to make him up.

    JD (2e13be)

  14. jake308,

    Yes.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  15. There is a drastic, fundamental difference between western and Islamic morality which must always be taken into account. The notion of “good” in Islam is not an absolute concept. By definition, Mohammed is deemed the “perfect man” and anything done by him is _by definition_ good. This includes beheadings, pedophilia, raping widows of men he just beheaded, etc. Therefore, the actions of ISIS, while considered abhorrent to most societies, are perfectly in agreement with Islamic doctrine. This difference is especially significant when dealing with Salafis, who are convinced that their behavior is most pure, since it most closely resembles that of Mohammed and his early 7th century followers.

    The above paragraph may sound “islamophobic” but it’s not. You can verify this by reading Robert Spencer’s writings on the subject or even Islamist websites such as Hizb ut Tahrir. They are not ashamed in the least by their behavior – they are proud of it and feel completely justified. They kill and rape with enthusiasm. Until the West comes to understand this essential contrast in morality with Muslim, and especially Salafist, thought, we will always be at a disadvantage.

    johnw (ac0f77)

  16. The MaryKnolls went hard left in the 70s and 80s when “Liberation Theology” was a big deal, especially in Central America. A Sandinista minister was a Jesuit priest. Pope Paul II tried very hard to eliminate that lunacy but I fear it will come back with the Argentine Pope.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  17. The evil people think they are good, though, and are fervent in their goodness.

    The ISIS folks go to bed at night after killing another 100 unbelievers thinking that Paradise is just another day closer at hand. I’m sure there were Nazis at Treblinka thinking similar things.

    Really the only thing you can do is kill them as fast as possible, which on the face of it sounds like the same thing.

    But it isn’t, as there is no such thing as moral relativism.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  18. Somebody once asked Gandhi what he thought would have happened if he’d tried his non-violent resistance tactic against the Nazis. “They’d have shot us all” he said.

    mojo (4a927a)

  19. mojo- that’s interesting, I’m not doubting you, but are you sure that’s verifiable, a quick look via google seems to have people arguing the point. I would love to see it verified.

    Back in the 70’s (I think) there was a pop-psychology book titled “I’m OK, You’re OK” (never read it).
    Some years later there was a tee-shirt with a picture of Jesus on the cross from shoulders up with blood from His crown of thorns, with the caption, “If I’m OK and you’re OK, explain this”.
    A little too “in your face” for my disposition, but it makes the point.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  20. narciso, yeah, I need periodically to remind myself of the naming game:
    if it has “people’s” or “democratic” in the name, it probably isn’t
    if it has “Christian” in it, the Apostles may not recognize it
    if it has “conservative” in it, it may be disinformation

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  21. it’s like that voltaire clip that the president used, to diminish the ‘Islamic State’

    narciso (ee1f88)

  22. Refusal to recognize intrinsic Evil allows one to also ignore
    intrinsic Good.

    Most liberals don’t want to acknowledge a outside source of either.
    That upsets their rejection of God (and the Devil).

    Nor that that they have existed for at least as long as humans have
    recorded events.

    For if there is eternal and intrinsic Evil in the world it’s a short
    step to believing that there is a ultimate source and that there is
    an ultimate source of eternal and intrinsic Good.

    This leaves no room for them to be masters of all they survey.

    jakee308 (ba1e65) — 9/13/2014 @ 12:16 pm

    I’m inclined to sort of agree – but what are we to make of the fact that these are religious groups making the above recommendations?

    Also, as we see from one poster, liberals do in fact think there is evil, i.e. conservatives/Republicans. So the “liberals don’t believe there is evil” notion is not exactly right.

    Gerald A (d65c67)

  23. As a practicing Catholic, I consider the Maryknolls the ‘crazy’ uncle of the family that has occasional bits of wisdom, but usually stays in the corner, drunk and ranting about black helicopters. They are quaint.

    Charles Martel (5cb2de)

  24. “So the “liberals don’t believe there is evil” notion is not exactly right.”

    Gerald A – If liberals believe the State is the source of good, than anybody who seeks to diminish the power of the state must be bad. In Obama’s formulation, we all belong to the state.

    With an Islamic state, religion and government are inseparable. Why would multi culti liberals complain. Plus they seem to have been turning their heads to Saudi Arabia beheading large numbers of people for years.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  25. On his Friday night TV show Bill Maher asked Nancy Pelosi to explain the consequences of recent polling which shows the GOP is likely to win enough Senate races to displace Harry Reid and become the majority party. He asked her to explain why it matters.

    “It would be very important for the Democrats to retain control of the Senate,” Pelosi said, “Civilization as we know it today would be in jeopardy if the Republicans win the Senate.”

    ropelight (b71e47)

  26. Here’s a hypothesis: the people in the Maryknoll Office for Blah Blah are paid to strike attitudes; putting out press releases is what they do for a living. On a mundane basis, I’ll wager they are very remote from anything disagreeable other than the office politics you see in agencies which do not have robust operational measures of competence, and their imaginations are too impoverished to ponder much that they do not palpably experience. Look at the list. On it are organizational functionaries and academics. The very second name on the list is a Presbyterian apparatchik who has not been a working minister in 20 years (and I wager most of them have done very little of that sort of work, though he has). Some of them are professional leftists within their denominations and orders (“Promoter of Peace and Justice”) and some within letterhead organizations (“Franciscan Action Network”).

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  27. On a mundane basis, I’ll wager they are very remote from anything disagreeable other than the office politics you see in agencies which do not have robust operational measures of competence

    i do not know what this means

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  28. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
    Edmund Burke
    Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 – 1797)

    we’re there, and the current world state of affairs proves how right he was.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  29. Obama’s Hawkish Plan For Islamic State Puts Doves In A Quandary

    this is a real title of a real article at National Soros Radio

    food stamp’s bomb sprinkles are “hawkish” according to them

    but you and me we know the truth

    but they’re shameless in advancing the argument that this is all the Republicans’ fault:

    Medea Benjamin, co-founder of Code Pink Women for Peace, says Republicans goaded Obama into taking his aggressive position, and Democrats in Congress aren’t willing to stand up to a Democratic president just before midterm elections.

    “If George Bush made the speech that Barack Obama made the other night, you would see thousands of people out on the street with us,” Benjamin says. “You’d see congresspeople calling us and saying, ‘Can we join in your demonstration?’ With a Democratic president, that is all changed.”

    it’s interesting though that there’s no actual quote from the Code Pink whore where she actually says that “Republicans goaded Obama into taking his aggressive position, and Democrats in Congress aren’t willing to stand up to a Democratic president just before midterm elections”

    this is how you can tell National Soros Radio is trying to craft and sell a narrative

    they have their marching orders

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  30. well they would be the first to organize relief convoys to ISIS, like they did in the last engagement,
    btw, David Haines, the brit is dead,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  31. here’s another stupid propaganda slut

    this one is named Alicia Maule – she writes that”

    A new Washington Post-ABC poll found that 72% of Americans “strongly” disapprove of the Republican party — yet the GOP could still take control of the Senate after the upcoming midterm elections.

    but if you click through to the survey it’s clear the actual number is 47%

    the reason Alicia gets the number wrong is cause she’s a stupid eager beaver MSNBC propaganda slut I think, but you may have other theories

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  32. oops there’s not supposed to be quotey quotes after “that”

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  33. None are so blind as those that refuse to see.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  34. “… We must not close our minds
    We must let our thoughts be free”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  35. a break from evil… go to the 2:45 mark…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzZZI8Yglc&sns=em

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  36. Mr. Feets – You ask that Ms. Benjamin for me why President Obama is going to war or going to counter-terror or whatever in Iraq after declaring victory if there are no WMD there, mkay.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  37. the Republicans made food stamp do it Mr. daley

    they goaded him

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  38. MD — regardless of the usefulness of Transactional Analysis, the book’s title is the desired end state. The T-shirt is just tasteless.

    The phrase I’m OK, You’re OK is one of four “life positions” that each of us may take. The four positions are:

    I’m Not OK, You’re OK
    I’m Not OK, You’re Not OK
    I’m OK, You’re Not OK
    I’m OK, You’re OK

    The most common position is I’m Not OK, You’re OK. As children we see that adults are large, strong and competent and that we are little, weak and often make mistakes, so we conclude I’m Not OK, You’re OK. Children who are abused may conclude I’m Not OK, You’re Not OK or I’m OK, You’re Not OK, but this is much less common. The emphasis of the book is helping people understand how their life position affects their communications (transactions) and relationships with practical examples.

    (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_OK,_You%27re_OK )

    htom (412a17)

  39. sorry here’s the link for propaganda slut Alicia Maule’s stupid article (#34 above)

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  40. …Pelosi said, “Civilization as we know it today would be in jeopardy if the Republicans win the Senate.”

    Hardly all that civilized a civilization you’ve got going there, SanFran Nan. So if it’s in jeopardy, thank goodness. Therefore, from your lips to God’s ears.

    Whether liberal, centrist or conservative, people who are poor judges of character, as you are Nancy, are not to be trusted. Anyone who has a hard time identifying the good and bad in both people and situations, or, worse of all, transposing the two — as liberals like you, Nancy, have a knack for doing, time and time again — is suffering from a form of mental deficiency.

    Mark (c160ec)

  41. Maryknoll is not off the mark. Good does not have armies. Armies of Evil fight other armies of Evil. The Meek shall inherit the Earth. He who kills with the sword, by the sword shall he be killed.

    The question is “When?” Are we in the Final Days?

    nk (dbc370)

  42. the final days of failmerica maybe

    but she done that on her whore self

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  43. It could be the winnowing. It’s been nice knowing you, happyfeet.

    nk (dbc370)

  44. i reject this winnowing and all that it stands for

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  45. Maryknoll is not off the mark. Good does not have armies. Armies of Evil fight other armies of Evil. The Meek shall inherit the Earth. He who kills with the sword, by the sword shall he be killed.

    I guess you’ll have to define “good” in this context. (Some would argue that of course good has armies – those who fight in the name of Christ who understand an eternal endgame, no?)

    Dana (4dbf62)

  46. are we an ‘army of evil’ nk, of course Matthew 24, would make one dismiss that notion, ‘it will come as in the time of Noah’

    narciso (ee1f88)

  47. Good is Christ. Evil is the Devil.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. ISIS just released another video which appears to show a British aid worker being beheaded. If only the Maryknolls were there to reassure the executioner, It’s okay, we understand. They might have saved a life.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  49. htom (412a17) — 9/13/2014 @ 4:02 pm
    Thank you for some clarity on the reference.

    nk, I will grant you there is no nation that is truly “good”,
    but do you suggest that nations of aggression be allowed to gobble up and oppress at will?

    I think it is clear that Jesus commands to be gracious, forgiving, and doing good to enemies, but I do not think he meant to the exclusion of rational self defense, or even further, the defense of innocents.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  50. well you said, armies of evil, vs, other armies of evil, when the US army aided the Tsaldaris, in repealing the Yugoslav based guerillas, was it evil?

    narciso (ee1f88)

  51. Bring in professionally trained unarmed civilian protection organizations.

    Let those who feel strongly about this be the first to go,
    with the understanding there will be no intervention to help them if things don’t work out as planned.
    And if they are not willing to go, they should be quiet.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  52. assymetrical warfare has many facets”

    http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2014/09/13/myron-vs-atilla/

    narciso (ee1f88)

  53. MD, I don’t know that there is any person who truly good, with the exception of my mother of course. I believe the Devil’s reputation is that he deceives? I am inclined to believe that he will be more likely to say “You are good, he is evil, kill him!” than he is to say “Do me a solid, be evil and kill him.”

    I have no philosophical quandaries about self-defense. It’s a judgment. You value the thing you are protecting more than the thing that is threatening it. And you will be judged for your judgment.

    nk (dbc370)

  54. narciso, #53, please. You are talking about family matters. One of my father’s brothers was for sure killed by the Communists; another was just found shot dead at a crossroads. My mother’s brother was a free-lance sniper for the Greek government. Kind of like a Tom Horn. He received three separate death sentences, when things had calmed down and some of the X were tried for being overenthusiastic in defense of freedom and democracy, but they were commuted. He had a fearful reputation. The other X were afraid of him. My mother’s village was called Mother of Rebels. The stories I could tell you. And I think it was the British, not the Americans, who paid the 50 gold sovereign bounties for the heads of rebels (the actual heads) and I think that’s kind of evil. Like the Chihuahua scalp-hunters.

    nk (dbc370)

  55. You are good, he is evil, kill him!” than he is to say “Do me a solid, be evil and kill him.”

    True, nk,
    but I think he is just as likely to say, “You’re no better than them, there is nothing worth fighting for, you can have peace in your time” until death is at the door and kicking it down.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  56. BTW, armies of Evil vs. armies of Evil; Evil devouring itself while Good simply ascends, is an Apocalyptic concept that I am definitely not clear on myself. But it’s not something that I’d sneer at some Christians for having.

    nk (dbc370)

  57. nk, it is also possible that it is evil vs evil after the good have all been martyred.

    I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been. Rev. 6:9b-11

    The thing about the end is that no one knows the hour or day, and things have been quite terrible at times in the past when some thought it could have been the day, but it wasn’t.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  58. I was pointing that out, MD, there may be signs, and wonders, but that time we do not know,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  59. we just got a new custard shop

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  60. certainly, narciso
    I didn’t mean to slight your addition, I was just focused on the back and forth with nk

    Some say Matt 24 has to do with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, some say it has to do with the end, some would say that as often in prophecy that it does both, that the prophet “sees the mountaintops” and doesn’t always communicate the distance between peaks
    (but I imagine you know this, and more)

    Of course, in the last 70 years or so Jerusalem and the Jewish nation have looked in peril of being overrun from all sides several times and haven’t been.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  61. 61. “The thing about the end is that no one knows the hour or day, and things have been quite terrible at times in the past when some thought it could have been the day, but it wasn’t.”

    ‘Some thought’ seldom turns on students of prophecy, history, and current affairs. Frequently it calls hailing the end find their source in a charismatic charlatan, like, you know.

    My by no means obsessive interest in fulfillment of end time prophecies focusses simply on the apparent plethora, without exception that comes to mind, that are now falling into place.

    Just one, the Abomination Causing Desolation. The first appearance is the Torah, worshippers of Chemosh and Molech sacrifice their children by “passing them through the fire”. These were the Ammonites and Moabites, sons of Lots daughters, situated on the east of the Jordan and Dead Sea.

    Next it is mentioned in Maccabees, where we find Antiochus Epiphanes sacrificing a pig on the altar. But then in AD 70 the Temple is destroyed. And soon Israel, not to say a Jewish Jerusalem, passes from history.

    In 689 the foundation of Dome of the Rock is laid, completed in 691. Daniel says “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290″ [units of time] until the end. Might not the end have a duration as well? “A time, times an half of a time.”

    Anyone seen the ninjas jumping through hoops ablaze? How about children blowing themselves to smithereens. Where exactly is Gehenna, the vale of Hinnom in today’s Jerusalem?

    Today was much like yesterday, tomorrow will be the same.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  62. find their source in a charismatic charlatan

    Very true.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  63. true, Gehenna was the actual valley of death,

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/09/crazy_things_progressives_believe.html

    narciso (ee1f88)

  64. Dr. Robert Moynihan’s letter #24 announced the IDC conference which led me to check out the group’s website. I was astonished to find a very unchristian spirit in the writing and posturing there. I felt there was something very wrong here. I knew that Cruz was scheduled to speak at the upcoming IDC conference (as well as a few D politicians)and I wondered how the conference organizers had accomplished this.

    I was very happy to hear Cruz begin his speech with a call to solidarity with our spiritual elder brothers and sisters, the Chosen Jewish people of God. It was the best way to shine a bright light of truth on the attendees who manifested their hidden agenda. I hope the IDC fades into oblivion after this.

    felipe (40f0f0)

  65. felipe, I’m not sure that starting a speech to Arabs, even Christian Arabs, with a call to support Israel is the most politic thing to do. Moreover, people can disagree with Netanyahu’s policies without being anti-semitic. Likud has only 19/120 seats in the Knesset which is composed of 13 parties. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  66. When you’re right, you’re right, nk.

    felipe (40f0f0)

  67. But let’s talk about evil. Texas has a law that says you can kill a non-violent thief if it’s nighttime. One guy shoots an escort in the back while she’s walking away with his $150.00 without having given him sex. She died six months later, paralyzed in a hospital. Another guy shoots a teenage boy in the back for trying to run out of his convenience store with a case of beer. DOA. The first guy was acquitted; I don’t know if the second one was even prosecuted.

    I doubt very much that Minos, Radamanthus and Acteus will apply Texas law. These guys are going into the lake of boiling blood. But that’s the easy question. What if, when the three judges of the damned look into these guys’ hearts, they see that they would not have done it if the Texas legislature had not told them that it was okay to do it? Will the legislators who voted for the law be joining them?

    nk (dbc370)

  68. Wait, didn’t Likud have 20 seats? Who did they lose?

    felipe (40f0f0)

  69. It wasn’t any particular policy of Israel they had a problem with.

    It was saying Israel was basically good, and the Christians had no greater ally than the Jewish state.. He could have said potential, but that wasn’t the problem.

    Cruz really started to get booed when when he attacked “those who hate Israel”

    Ross Douthat of the New York Times made excuses for them – and indeed they have a problem – although basically they are saying “Go kill the Jews, don’t kill us” and that doesn’t buy them immunity. If it helps at all, it only shows the depth of the evil in the Middle East.

    Douthat:

    There is a certain airless logic to this pro-Cruz take — that because Assad and Hezbollah are murderers and enemies of Israel, anyone who deals with them deserves to be confronted, and if that confrontation meets with boos, you’ve probably exposed anti-Semites who deserve to be attacked still more.

    But this logic shows not a scintilla of sympathy for what it’s actually like to be an embattled religious minority, against whom genocide isn’t just being threatened but actually carried out.

    Some of the leaders of the Middle East’s Christians have made choices that merit criticism; some of them harbor attitudes toward their Jewish neighbors that merit condemnation. But Israel is a rich, well-defended, nuclear-armed nation-state; its supporters, and especially its American Christian supporters, can afford to allow a population that’s none of the above to organize to save itself from outright extinction without also demanding applause for Israeli policy as the price of sympathy and support.

    If Cruz felt that he couldn’t in good conscience address an audience of persecuted Arab Christians without including a florid, “no greater ally” preamble about Israel, he could have withdrawn from the event. The fact that he preferred to do it this way instead says a lot — none of it good — about his priorities and instincts.

    Cruz actually was not recognizing the presence of evil in the world, and the fact that people make compromises with evil.

    The fact that he was widely lauded says a lot about why, if 2,000 years of Christian history in the Middle East ends in blood and ash and exile, the American right no less than the left and center will deserve a share of responsibility for that fate.

    Well..

    I just say drop all notions of making peace until the evil is eradicated. and stop pretending people are giving their honest opinion, or could ,?i? make peace with Israel or have genuine quarrels.

    Make excuses for them, yes, I say, but don’t whatever they say seriously.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  70. felipe (40f0f0) — 9/14/2014 @ 10:18 am

    Wait, didn’t Likud have 20 seats? Who did they lose?

    They have roportional reprsentation and are split into small groups.

    The right easily can expect more than a majority of 60 in most elections. The public may be ore hawkish than Netanyahu right now, in the sense of wanting to finish up Hamas in Gaza. Netanyahu thinks that could be a terrible distraction.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  71. Just checked the Knesset factions webpage. You are right. Like I said…

    felipe (40f0f0)

  72. * ….stop pretending people are giving their honest opinion, or could make peace with Israel, or that have genuine quarrels.

    Make excuses for them, yes, I say, but don’t take whatever they say seriously.

    Sammy Finkelman (e4c3a1)

  73. Hmmm. The 19 seats of the 19th Knesset. Has a certain ring to it.

    felipe (40f0f0)

  74. I didn’t believe the 19, myself. Didn’t they have double that in years past?

    nk (dbc370)

  75. Ok, wack***pedia says 20. Sigh.

    nk (dbc370)

  76. Honestly note the LU link, no copts were there, in a Christian assembly, and among the major players is Hezbollah’s main supporter in Nigeria, and friends of Bashir,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  77. Yes, Likud had:
    38 seats in 2003
    12 seats in 2006
    27 seats in 2009
    19 today.

    Those are some crazy swings.

    felipe (40f0f0)

  78. I’ll take Knesset’s numbers over Wikis numbers any day. you were right nk.

    felipe (40f0f0)

  79. Here is a comment I agree with from the LU link:

    “Agreed, BigAlSouth, but I don’t think it was an “error” for Cruz to attend and issue his rebuke.

    His appearance at this event, with the ensuing verbal exchange, plugged the IDC effort with a bullet. IDC will have no further credibility with Republicans in Congress or the huge number of Americans who want to protect Christians AND who see both Iran and ISIS for what they are, after this event.

    That’s an outstanding result. Excellent day’s work”. – J.e. Dyer

    felipe (40f0f0)

  80. well the second largest faction is Tommy Lapid’s Yesh Atid, the third is Naftali Bennett’s

    narciso (ee1f88)

  81. “felipe, I’m not sure that starting a speech to Arabs, even Christian Arabs, with a call to support Israel is the most politic thing to do.”

    nk – When a bunch of the Arab Christians are pro-Hezbollah and given that Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Christianity is expanding it does not bother me one bit.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  82. It should be noted that Likud won on a joint ticket with Yisrael Beitenu. Together they have 31 seats. Yesh Atid has 19 seats, Israel Labor party has 15 seats.

    felipe (40f0f0)

  83. Nancy Pelosi: If Yesh Atid and the I.L.P. were to form a joint ticket and win 34 seats in the Knesset, all civilization as we know it would end!

    felipe (40f0f0)

  84. just goes to show that teh Middle East, in general, can’t even do Christianity well and without H8.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  85. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJxCNMGN17g&sns=em

    Sent from my iPad

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  86. Here is another thing indicating the diseased political culture in the Middle East:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/185089#!

    According to this report, an attacking satire aimed at ISIS has to throw in a little bit of anti-Semitism.

    Sammy Finkelman (31cdef)

  87. JD @15, since Perry does exist, since we don’t have to go to the trouble of making him up, we have the opportunity to use him.

    Republicans are the living proof that evil exists!

    rodham (2f3b4c) — 9/13/2014 @ 1:03 pm

    Leftists like Perry reserve their rabid, mindless hate for people who don’t conform to their religion in which government is god and the political left is his messenger. You will note that leftists and the Islamists both burn with the greatest hatred for what IS calls the “nearer enemy.” Whoever dwells within the land over which they claim absolute authority, but questions the legitimacy of that claim to absolute authority and defies the decrees of their respective Caliphate.

    http://quran.com/5/33

    5:33
    Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

    daley @27 explained the basis for the leftist/Muslim alliance more succinctly than I have. But suffice it to say that they have the same attitudes to toward what is or is not Sharia, god’s law, and those who defy or blaspheme god’s law. And the interpreters of god’s law; god’s messenger.

    When leftists arrogantly decree that Obamacare is “the law of the land,” what they mean is that it’s Sharia. When critics point out that it’s constantly being modified and ignored by Obama, essentially they’re “waging war against his messenger.” The religious authorities of Islam/leftism have the right to apply sharia to each situation as they see fit. Islam means submission. A Muslim is one who submits. It is your duty to submit without questioning the authorities, with no reservations whatsoever.

    4:64
    And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah . And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

    4:65
    But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission.

    For the believers, dissent is their highest duty when the people of god are out of power. When the people of god are in power dissent is blasphemy.

    Hence the Senate Democrat’s recent attempt to abolish the first Amendment. Hence this administration’s willingness to work with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to make blasphemy an international crime. The OIC had been working on that project for years with no success until this administration was installed. Then Hillary! signed the resolution.

    http://www.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2011/07/168636.htm

    Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Secretary of State
    Center for Islamic Arts and History
    Istanbul, Turkey
    July 15, 2011

    …And I will never forget one woman saying that neighbors began turning on neighbor because of religious and ethnic differences. And this woman asked a friend from another religious background: “We’ve known each other for so long, we have celebrated each other’s weddings, we’ve buried each other’s family; why is this happening?” And her friend replied: “We were told that if we did not do this to you, you would do it to us.” And it was as clear a statement of what incitement to violence and hatred can lead to as any that I’ve heard. And the conflict proved so costly, we are still living with the consequences today.

    …I want to applaud the Organization of Islamic Conference and the European Union for helping pass Resolution 16/18 at the Human Rights Council.

    …The Human Rights Council has given us a comprehensive framework for addressing this issue on the international level. But at the same time, we each have to work to do more to promote respect for religious differences in our own countries. In the United States, I will admit, there are people who still feel vulnerable or marginalized as a result of their religious beliefs. And we have seen how the incendiary actions of just a very few people, a handful in a country of nearly 300 million, can create wide ripples of intolerance. We also understand that, for 235 years, freedom of expression has been a universal right at the core of our democracy. So we are focused on promoting interfaith education and collaboration, enforcing antidiscrimination laws, protecting the rights of all people to worship as they choose, and to use some old-fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shaming, so that people don’t feel that they have the support to do what we abhor.

    It’s important to note that as far as the community of believers is concerned, that which constitutes “incitement to violence” is as broad a term as what constitutes “corruption.” For instance, to the believers the Citizen’s United decision is the very essence of corruption. Because it allows the unfaithful to question sacred authority. Hence the community of believers attempted to amend the Constitution to outlaw corruption. That was just as much an anti-blasphemy law as UN resolution 16/18. The promoters of both of these wide ranging, all encompassing anti-blasphemy laws all pretend that neither of these laws restrict free speech. Left unsaid is that “free speech” is still permitted but only subject to what the religious authorities consider legitimate free speech.

    One wages war against god, his messenger, and spreads corruption as much with thoughts and words as by any other means. Therefore blasphemous thoughts and words also constitute incitement to violence and are not legitimate free speech. Promoting unbelief in god and his messenger and the holy law is axiomatically an incitement to violence.

    Hence the natural affinity for one community of believers for another. Hence the unbridled, rabid hatred for the nearer enemy. Which as a member of the leftist ummah in good standing, Perry, helpfully illustrates.

    Steve57 (c413c6)

  88. Much as with this statement,

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/13/term-islamic-state-slur-faith-david-cameron

    when you see who are the signatories, you must conclude they are being disingenuous at best,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  89. Well Reasoned, Steve57.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  90. I thought I’d highlight this portion of Hillary!’s remarks at the OIC meeting in 2011.

    So we are focused on promoting interfaith education and collaboration, enforcing antidiscrimination laws, protecting the rights of all people to worship as they choose, and to use some old-fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shaming, so that people don’t feel that they have the support to do what we abhor.

    It’s important to note that Islam did after a fashion protect the rights of certain people to worship as they chose. The “people of the book” could continue to practice their liturgies as long as they did so out of sight and didn’t annoy the Ummah. But they didn’t have the right to live their beliefs. The dhimmis have to submit to the authority of one true faith. And that includes refraining by word and deed from defaming or undermining the authority of god’s government.

    Such as drawing a Muhammad cartoon or refusing to buy birth control and abortifacients.

    And talk about “old-fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shaming,” the Muslims were passed masters at it centuries before Alinsky wrote his “Rules for Radicals” and Hillary! became his disciple. Because unlike other types of second-class citizenship, i.e. being a woman or a slave, dhimmitude was entirely voluntary. A man who was a dhimmi could remove all the disabilities the one true faith place upon him, as well as escape all the humiliating laws designed to publicly “shame” him “so that people don’t feel that they have the support to do what we abhor” simply by converting to the one true faith.

    As the Quran puts it:

    http://quran.com/9

    9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

    And as Chuck Schumer put it:

    http://townhall.com/columnists/charlottehays/2014/07/18/schumer-you-dont-have-to-convert-but-you-might-not-be-able-to-do-business-either-n1863492

    Some commentators have summed up what Schumer said after the Hobby Lobby ruling this way: your faith or your company. Unfortunately, that synopsis of what the senator said is neither flip nor off base.

    “We wouldn’t tell the owners of Hobby Lobby to convert to a different religion or disobey their religion,” the New York Democrat said. “But we don’t say that they have to open up a company. And go sell toys, or hobby kits.” For good measure, Schumer added, “We don’t have any [Hobby Lobby outlets] in New York, so I don’t know exactly what they sell.”

    You can be a Christian but as long as you are you must accept the fact you are a second class citizen. Only if you convert from your primitive cult that is a mere relic of al-Jahiliyah, the state of ignorance that existed before the one true faith, will you be allowed full citizenship.

    Steve57 (c413c6)

  91. narcisso @95, a textbook example of taqiyya in action.

    http://www.sunnah.com/bukhari/56

    Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:

    The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “War is deceit.”

    حَدَّثَنَا صَدَقَةُ بْنُ الْفَضْلِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ، عَنْ عَمْرٍو، سَمِعَ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ـ رضى الله عنهما ـ قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ “‏ الْحَرْبُ خُدْعَةٌ ‏”‏‏.‏

    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3030
    In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 237
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 269
    (deprecated numbering scheme)

    It is important to note that one of the OIC’s rules for “interfaith dialogue” is that religion is what the adherents of a religion say it is. So, for instance in this case, the practitioners of Taqiyya in Britain say the Islamic State is not Islamic. A good dhimmi submits to that decree without any reservations. After all, that is one of the provisions of the Pact of Umar. Which established the rules dhimmis must live by if they wish to be tolerated by Muslims.

    http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pact-umar.asp

    We heard from ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn Ghanam [died 78/697] as follows: When Umar ibn al-Khattab, may God be pleased with him, accorded a peace to the Christians of Syria, we wrote to him as follows:

    In the name of God, the Merciful and Compassionate. This is a letter to the servant of God Umar [ibn al-Khattab], Commander of the Faithful, from the Christians of such-and-such a city. When you came against us, we asked you for safe-conduct (aman) for ourselves, our descendants, our property, and the people of our community, and we undertook the following obligations toward you:

    We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks’ cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.

    We shall keep our gates wide open for passersby and travelers. We shall give board and lodging to all Muslims who pass our way for three days.

    We shall not give shelter in our churches or in our dwellings to any spy, nor bide him from the Muslims.

    We shall not teach the Qur’an to our children.

    We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.

    We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.

    We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments, the qalansuwa, the turban, footwear, or the parting of the hair. We shall not speak as they do, nor shall we adopt their kunyas.

    We shall not mount on saddles, nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms nor carry them on our- persons.

    We shall not engrave Arabic inscriptions on our seals.

    We shall not sell fermented drinks.

    We shall clip the fronts of our heads.

    We shall always dress in the same way wherever we may be, and we shall bind the zunar round our waists

    We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly. We shall not raise our voices when following our dead. We shall not show lights on any of the roads of the Muslims or in their markets. We shall not bury our dead near the Muslims.

    We shall not take slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.

    We shall not build houses overtopping the houses of the Muslims.

    (The italicized provisions are part of the “old-fashioned techniques of peer pressure and shaming” so beloved of Hillary! to be used against those unwilling to convert to the one true faith)

    The dhimmis are not allowed to learn the Quran because they must submit to the religious authorities and what they decree to be true or false when it comes to Islam.

    David Cameron is a good dhimmi. He will comply with the Muslim Brotherhood front groups in Britain, just as Obama has put Muslim Brotherhood front groups and unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation terror funding trial in charge of policing “Islamophobia.”

    That is, attacking bad dhimmis such as myself who dare to ignore the front groups and actually look to their holy texts. In the course of which I discover that the Islamic State is Islamic in every atom of its existence.

    Of course it’s not brain rocketry. Anybody can do it. I’ve supplied all the links I use to refer to authentic Islamic sources. If you like you can buy books from Amazon that are certified by the highest authorities in Islam such as Al-Azhar university as true and correct transliterations of Islamic holy texts. But there’s no point as they don’t say anything at odds with the sites constructed by and for Muslims.

    Whatever you do, avoid the propaganda put out by the practitioners of Taqiyya, such as CAIR, the Muslim Student Association and it’s subsidiaries on campuses across the nation (and across Britain it must be noted; while the British practioners of Taqiyya tell the non-Muslims one thing, the same religious authorities are telling Muslims in Britain another), etc.

    I am a bad dhimmi in all regards. Hence the hate. See Perry @8 for an example of the hatred for those who do not submit to the one true faith.

    Steve57 (c413c6)

  92. http://www.sunnah.com/bukhari/56

    (158) Chapter: Telling lies in war

    باب الْكَذِبِ فِي الْحَرْبِ

    Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:

    The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Who is ready to kill Ka`b bin Al-Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)! Do you like me to kill him?” He replied in the affirmative. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka`b) and said, “This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity.” Ka`b replied, “By Allah, you will get tired of him.” Muhammad said to him, “We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair.” Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him.

    حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ دِينَارٍ، عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ـ رضى الله عنهما ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏”‏ مَنْ لِكَعْبِ بْنِ الأَشْرَفِ، فَإِنَّهُ قَدْ آذَى اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ‏”‏‏.‏ قَالَ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ مَسْلَمَةَ أَتُحِبُّ أَنْ أَقْتُلَهُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ قَالَ ‏”‏ نَعَمْ ‏”‏‏.‏ قَالَ فَأَتَاهُ فَقَالَ إِنَّ هَذَا ـ يَعْنِي النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ قَدْ عَنَّانَا وَسَأَلَنَا الصَّدَقَةَ، قَالَ وَأَيْضًا وَاللَّهِ قَالَ فَإِنَّا قَدِ اتَّبَعْنَاهُ فَنَكْرَهُ أَنْ نَدَعَهُ حَتَّى نَنْظُرَ إِلَى مَا يَصِيرُ أَمْرُهُ قَالَ فَلَمْ يَزَلْ يُكَلِّمُهُ حَتَّى اسْتَمْكَنَ مِنْهُ فَقَتَلَهُ‏.‏

    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3031
    In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 238
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 270
    (deprecated numbering scheme)

    And of course, Muslims are always at war with the unbelievers. This is why they divide the world into Dar al Islam, the house of Islam where Islam reigns supreme, and Dar al Harb, the house of war where Islam does not yet rule (making me as a committed infidel residing in Dar al Harb a harbi; collectively we are harbis).

    Of course, not even Muslims may be privy to this. On a different thread I mentioned Quran-only reformers of Islam. There are sincere Quran-only Muslims who believe that the Quran is the authoritative text that constitutes divine revelation and therefor is the only text Muslims should live by. And they have something of a good case, since the Quran itself has many verses that proclaim itself to be clear and complete, having explained all things in detail.

    But in general the Quran-only types are actually practicing taqiyya because the Quran does not explain everything in detail. It certainly isn’t clear, nor is it complete. You will not know anything about how to be a Muslim without the Sunnah as well. Read the Quran. The Shahada is not in there, it’s only in the Sunnah. So the profession of faith that is required to become a Muslim, the most basic step, isn’t in the Quran. Neither will you learn how to pray, how many times a day to pray, the Qiblaa (direction in which you are to pray) how to perform the ablutions that are required before you are ritually prepared to play, etc. Some goes for Zakat, fasting, or the Hajj.

    In other words, what are generally accepted as the “five pillars of Islam” (the pretense that there are only five is another example of taqiyaa) are either not in the Quran at all or exist only as a command to perform them. But there is no instruction as to how to perform them. For that you must refer to the Sunnah.

    This is why Muslims consider anyone who calls himself a Muslim but who actually believes in the Quran-only doctrine doctrine to be a hypocrite or an apostate. And the Islamic State is carrying out the prescribed punishment for hypocrites and apostates when it beheads and crucifies them. As is Saudi Arabia when it does the same.

    I’ve provided many simple examples by citing chapter and verse of the Quran which commands Muslims to submit to the judgement of Muhammad in all things, without any outward or inner reservations. Muslims are commanded to do so, but how would they know what those judgements are without the Sunnah and Sharia? They can’t. There is no such thing as Quran-only Islam. Which is why it exists only in the west as taqiyya. Some Muslims have been deceived by this practice as well, which is fine with the religious authorities as it gives them cover. They can be corrected later.

    The point being is that traditionally there are three stages in the perpetual war between the harbis and the Muslims.

    1. Stealth Jihad.

    In this stage Muslims verbally provoke the harbis they live among. When the harbis react the Muslims claim to be victims of unprovoked attacks. This is why Muslims and their submissive dhimmis in government decry the “backlash” against Muslims more than the act that would prompt that backlash. Which never seems to materialize. No matter, the important point is pound home the lesson that Muslims are always the innocent victims while the dominant culture is evil, aggressive, and oppressive. What now falls under the reality-defying umbrella of “Islamophobia” is simply the recipe Muhammad used when he was outnumbered and out of power during the Meccan period.

    2. Defensive jihad.

    This was the initial stage of Muhammad’s armed jihad when he fled the “oppression” of the Meccans and took refuge in Madinah. Of course, the Meccans were perfectly fine to leave Muhammad and his small (very small) band of followers alone. There were something like 360 deities already in Mecca. They didn’t mind one more. Muhammad, on the other hand, was the one who decided there was only room for his god, not the other 360. And he and his followers acted accordingly, and P.O.d the Meccans. When they simply criticized Muhammad, he claimed to be a victim of “oppression.” Remember, it is with thoughts and words that you wage war against allah and his prophet as much as by deed.

    9:12
    And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease.

    But Muhammad didn’t have the military strength to actually attack Mecca, so he waged what he called “defensive jihad,” which included some pretty damned offensive actions. Think what we now call terrorism. And think how the leftist Muslims in the west excuse the Islamic Muslims such as Hamas for engaging in terrorism against Israel, because of course (they claim) that’s the only way the poor oppressed Muslims can resist the “illegal occupation.”

    You’ll get the drift.

    3. Offensive jihad.

    As commanded by the Quran.

    2:216
    Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.

    47:35
    So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds.

    The Muslims can negotiate a hudnah when they can’t complete the conquest. But when they’re in a position of strength and complete the conquest then they must do so. This is what Muhammad did at the the end of his Madinah period. And all Muslims must follow his example.

    As the Islamic State is following his example.

    But we really need to add a stage of jihad to the traditional three stages. Stage zero. The stage of cluelessness. Muslims have to keep the harbis in the dark as long as possible that they are in fact waging jihad against them. David Cameron, I am convinced, has really been sucked into this. So, too, have many western Muslims. Which is fine with the stealth jihadists of Islamic Society of Britain (and CAIR, and ISNA, and the MSA, etc.).

    It is of course entirely possible for Muslims to wage jihad at different stages across the globe depending on varying local conditions, and even for Muslims to be at different stages of jihad at the same place depending on factors such local conditions but also individual commitment and knowledge. The less committed and less knowledgeable Muslims serve Islam when they, too, are taken in by the deception. If they knew the truth, they might queer the deal by spilling the beans prematurely.

    The hypocrites and apostates can be dealt with later, when they’re offered the same deal as the Yazidis. Become a true Muslim or die.

    Steve57 (c413c6)

  93. At least they give us a choice, which is more than I would do for them:
    Become a true Muslim by dying!

    askeptic (efcf22)

  94. honesty is appreciated:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/jordanian-palestinian-politician-there-is-no-isis-ideology-its-islam-video/

    but herein lies the rub, if it so, how does one prevent adherents to it,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  95. How does one prevent an outbreak of rabies when confronted by a rabid dog?

    askeptic (efcf22)

  96. lots of ointment

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  97. I was going to say WD-40.

    Steve57 (c413c6)

  98. BZZZZ…..I’m sorry, you have selected a wrong answer.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  99. askeptic – Don’t let the rabid dog hump your leg, or if you do, fake an orgasm.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  100. 94. I concur.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  101. Saying you’re Christian in the ME is like saying I’m not Muslim, my parents are not Muslim and I don’t live on that side of town.

    Saying you’re Xian in Amerikkka is like an empty canvass, who knows what it means.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  102. It’s actually a great and handy bit of facts. I’m just happy which you embraced this handy facts here. Please continue being us informed such as this. Many thanks for revealing.

    Move Copters crack obtain, Swing action Copters hack francais, Golf swing Copters cost-free hack into, Move Copters totally free be a cheater, Swing movement Copters not any survey, Swing Copters zero review get, (bcc22f)


Powered by WordPress.

Page loaded in: 0.5299 secs.