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8/21/2014

Fertile Ground For Terrorists

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:52 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Right about now, no matter which way one looks, everything is just madness. Witness the strange intersection of ISIS and Ferguson: ISIS militants are closely following the situation in Ferguson and manipulatively playing on the angry frustration of blacks to join them. Even terrorists understand the potential in never letting a crisis go to waste. For where there is a crisis, there is opportunity. They are using social media to get their message across.

The Islamic State and other jihadist movements are using the events outside St. Louis as propaganda against the West. One argument they’ve been making for years is that racism and discrimination are rampant in some parts of the West, and they’re hoping the Ferguson riots could help recruit black Americans. “In Islam there is no racism, and we think black people will wake up and follow the example of Malcolm X and others who understood that this way is the only way to justice,” said Abu Mansour, who lives in Germany and is also a follower of the Islamic State.

All of the jihadists interviewed said Brown’s death confirms their beliefs that blacks are seen as second-class citizens by whites and especially by the police. “I think that blacks in the U.S. will look more towards Islam,” said Anjem Choudary from Great Britain, co-founder of the banned “al-­Muhajiroun” group.

Further:

According to Site Intelligence Group, an organization that tracks the online activity of terrorists, the accounts have mainly addressed the black community, arguing that blacks are victims of “democracy while promising less discrimination under Shari’ah law.”

Adding to the madness, self-proclaimed jihadist Mujahid Miski posted under the #FergusonUnderIS hashtag:

“Justice and Equality is under the Shari’ah law. You’ll never get it under Democracy.”

So while Ferguson is now on the ISIS radar, we also find out that the messy illegal immigration situation we face is also contributing to the development of future terrorists.

According to the utterly irrational and mad Democratic State Representative and candidate for U.S. representative Pat Murphy, if a pathway to citizenship is not granted to the illegals crossing our southern borders, they will likely become terrorists:

“They’re not from Mexico, they’re coming from further south,” Murphy continued. “We need to make sure that when we’re talking about these children we need to treat them like they’re our children or our grandchildren. If they’re gonna be refugees, which several of them are going to be, we need to make sure that we have—one, we take care of them, and we create a pathway for citizenship and set up education for them so they don’t become the same problem that we’re currently having in the Middle East—that they’ll be terrorists a generation from now.”

Like I said, everywhere one looks, it’s just madness.

–Dana

46 Responses to “Fertile Ground For Terrorists”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  2. Apparently a great many of the “journalists” are starting to go home as the riots have not materialized, as some of the Ferguson “narrative” is falling apart, and as many in the Ferguson community are sick of being invaded and manipulated by outsiders and are saying so. I think it’s nuts on the part of ISIS to think that most black American citizens will embrace Islam, burquas and be-headings no matter how angry they are at the PO-lice.

    I am deeply concerned about ISIS terrorists slipping in through the southern border though. And Pat Murphy definitely needs not to be elected.

    elissa (e9e9a1)

  3. Keep your eyes peeled for “Conquest on a white horse; War on a red horse; Famine on a black horse; and Death mounted on a pale horse.”

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  4. NOOOO gg. I just bought new dining room chairs!

    elissa (e9e9a1)

  5. 2. ” it’s nuts ”

    The common thread to dissolution, everywhere, all at once.

    There is no reason I am aware of to suppose antiChrist will play a role following retirement.

    Nonetheless his fifteen minutes ushers in the four opportunists of Chaos.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  6. 4. No worries, they’ll tie nicely to the oxcart.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  7. If they’re gonna be refugees, which several of them are going to be, we need to make sure that we have—one, we take care of them, and we create a pathway for citizenship and set up education for them so they don’t become the same problem that we’re currently having in the Middle East—that they’ll be terrorists a generation from now.”

    His point seems to be that if these illegal immigrants stay here without any way to become citizens, and their children and grandchidren grow up in the shadows like that, shut out of our polity, then they’ll have the same grievances as the “Palestinians” have against Israel, and will follow the same route to terrorism.

    Let’s leave aside the fact that the “Palestianian” Arab terrorism came before any “occupation”, and was the cause of that so-called “occupation”. That it was’t the children or grandchildren of the “refugees” who started killing Jews, but the parents and grandparents. Let’s suppose Murphy were right about that. After all, the history of the Middle East may not be his specialty. He’s running for Congress, not Secretary of State. Surely all he has to do is stay off the Foreign Relations committee and his ignorance will be no hindrance.

    OK, let’s do that, and move on in his analogy, from his faulty analogue to his target. If no path to citizenship is found for the illegal immigrants, then their children and grandchildren will…what?! Congressmen needn’t, perhaps, be experts in the history of the Middle East, but I think it’s fair to expect them to be familiar with the 14th amendment to the USAn constitution. Wouldn’t you agree? You know, the one that says “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” Those second and third generations have a “path” to citizenship! It’s the easiest path anyone has ever followed — the birth canal! It’s frightening that a candidate for Congress doesn’t know this.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  8. I’m sure I could find zerohedge’s link, but why incite the ciphers?

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2014/08/14-reasons-pointing-to-us-economic.html

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  9. In a similar vein of raw stupidity

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/help_bob/

    Chawdhary is a barrister, don’t know if he’s still license, can’t imagine that would prevent him,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  10. 9. The End has a duration, one that is given to outlast the endurance of mankind.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  11. how angry they are at the PO-lice.

    I asked a black guy several months ago, who likes to tout his academic credentials at Berkeley and Columbia, why he always pronounces “police” so that its second letter is a long vowel. He said it was to give himself street cred. I couldn’t help but roll my eyes and snicker to myself.

    arguing that blacks are victims of “democracy while promising less discrimination under Shari’ah law.”

    Although black America has been in a downward trajectory due to decades of socio-economic liberalism run amok, the peculiar reactionary nature of Islamicism not only probably won’t help offset that, but it may create a worst-of-both-worlds outcome. Or a situation in which a segment of the black community adopts the deranged, violent ruthlessness of Sharia-ism while engaging in business-as-usual, leftist-triggered pathologies. IOW, ugh and phht.

    Mark (14a4db)

  12. Dana,

    I’m expecting a handbasket shortage soon.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  13. All of the jihadists interviewed said Brown’s death confirms their beliefs that blacks are seen as second-class citizens by whites and especially by the police. “I think that blacks in the U.S. will look more towards Islam,” said Anjem Choudary from Great Britain, co-founder of the banned “al-­Muhajiroun” group.

    Funny, that. You know where blacks are considered second class citizens? The Muslim world. Blacks should go to Saudi Arabia and see how they get treated. Or remember the Sudan? It wasn’t just Muslims in the North vs. non-Muslims in the South. It was Arabs (and those who identified as Arabs) in the north vs. blacks in the south no matter if they were animists, Christians, or even Muslims. That’s why they had to split the country in two.

    http://inthesetimes.com/article/1071

    Black Muslims and the Sudan

    …The situation in Darfur is forcing a focus on an issue the Muslim world has tended to avoid: race. And although the Western media’s depiction of the current conflict as one between Arab and African groups is too simplistic, there is a well-documented history of anti-black Arab bias in the region that has seldom been explored.

    So, while Darfur has closed gaps between black activists, it has opened one between Muslims. Too bad it required the tragedy of another African genocide to provoke a conversation about Arab racism that is long past overdue.

    Places like Dar es Salaam, the stinking “House of Peace,” and other towns all up and down the east coast of Africa were founded by Arabs as slaving stations.

    It was, well it doesn’t matter how many years ago, but I distinctly recall an incident in one of my Islamic studies courses. We were discussing Arabic names, and the professor asked about the meanings of the prefix “abd” as in “Abdallah.” So one of the students pipes up with “servant,” and then another said “slave.” Then a Syrian in the class said “black man.” And the professor paused and said, “Yes, but we don’t say that here.”

    When Arabs think of a slave or a servant, they think of blacks.

    These jihadists know this, but they know most Americans are too stupid to know it.

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  14. Steve57 (99bd31) — 8/21/2014 @ 10:37 pm

    Seems like there’s a movie in that. A high end documentary…

    Ken Burns tells the story of slavery in Arabia.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  15. Strategicly, seems like a good avenue to slip a few Americans into ISIS, to gum up their works, report back their doings.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  16. And of course, papertiger, slavery is still a fact of life in Saudi Arabia, and indeed much of the Arab world. And they don’t really see a difference between a hired servant and a slave, as both are “those your right hand possesses,” (Surah 4:3) which is how the Koran refers to women captured in war. Their employment practices reflect that fact. That’s why it’s common practice for employers to take their Filipina or Pakistani maid’s passport, not pay them for years, and to rape them at will.

    You may recall this story out of Virginia a while back.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/04/officials-investigate-human-trafficking-claim-at-virginia-home-saudi-attache/

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  17. Steve57 (99bd31) — 8/22/2014 @ 5:52 am

    And they don’t really see a difference between a hired servant and a slave,

    Same word, I think.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  18. not surprising, it’s a feudal culture,

    there might be some truth to Chowdhary’s observations, but not what you think:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100283661/what-makes-some-british-muslims-fight-for-isis/

    narciso (ee1f88)

  19. What makes them fight is religion – religion that they did not have earlier in life when growing up. An evil religion, but a religion. They are all ,mostly newly religious. That, maybe, and adventure.

    There are people who saying that Islam needs a reformation. That’s the problem. Al Qaeda is a reformation. Paid for by some people.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  20. ‘Keep your eyes peeled for “Conquest on a white horse; War on a red horse; Famine on a black horse; and Death mounted on a pale horse.” ‘

    That does it… Let the stock sell-off begin!

    Colonel Haiku (d96d7a)

  21. “.. and The Bear will ride a painted pony and let the Spinning Wheel ride.”

    Colonel Haiku (d96d7a)

  22. talk about your troubles, but you never learn.

    Russ from Winterset (830aac)

  23. Great post. It surely is madness wherever you look.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  24. Historically blacks have not fared very well under Mohammedan rule. Mohammedans have taken more black slaves than any other group in the world by large margins. In addition they were very careful to geld the men taken so there would be no chance of their ever impregnating an Arab woman or girl. The worst of the breed were those from the region called Saudi Arabia now where slavery was considered legal until well into the 20th century. As late as 1950 the population of black slaves in Saudi Arabia was 450,000, 20% of its total population. It was officially abolished in 1962. But it was not partially criminalized until 2004. Human trafficking still happens there. The Qur’an officially condones slavery with the note that the owner (right hand possesses) can do as he will with his slaves.

    The existence of Muslims who are black mystifies me given the dismal history of Blacks in the Muslim world.

    {^_^}

    JDow (e30d81)

  25. 17. …Same word, I think.
    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7) — 8/22/2014 @ 6:23 am

    Yes, Sammy. Abd. Did you not read what I wrote @13?

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  26. It was, well it doesn’t matter how many years ago, but I distinctly recall an incident in one of my Islamic studies courses. We were discussing Arabic names, and the professor asked about the meanings of the prefix “abd” as in “Abdallah.” So one of the students pipes up with “servant,” and then another said “slave.” Then a Syrian in the class said “black man.” And the professor paused and said, “Yes, but we don’t say that here.”

    It depends on dialect. In most dialects `abd is simply the usual word for “black person”, slave or free; in some it still means “slave”. A friend of mine was trying a case in which a witness was testifying in Arabic, with the aid of an interpreter who came from a different country than the witness. At one point the witness referred to someone as `abd, and the interpreter automatically rendered it as “slave”, to the obvious reaction in the court.

    Milhouse (7999ec)

  27. 7. …Same word, I think.
    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7) — 8/22/2014 @ 6:23 am

    Steve57 (99bd31) — 8/22/2014 @ 11:04 am

    Yes, Sammy. Abd. Did you not read what I wrote @13?

    I did later after I posted that..

    I hadn’t reached 13.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  28. I was reading backwards.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  29. “These jihadists know this, but they know most black Americans are too stupid to know it.”

    FIFY

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  30. JDow (e30d81) — 8/22/2014 @ 9:39 am

    The existence of Muslims who are black mystifies me given the dismal history of Blacks in the Muslim world.

    {^_^}

    That’s supposed to free them from slavery. Christianity (and Judaism) more or less had the same rule: you coudn’t keep amember of your own religion as a slave.

    The distinction between master and sdlave was supposed to be religious, not racial.

    Having blacks be slaves is a cultural things. I guess slavery is easier when the slaves are color coded, but it took till about 600 to 900 years ago to reach that point. All other examples of slavery in the west more or less died out, except Moslems enslaving heathen blacks. Jews and Christians tended to redeem or ransom any members made into slaves.

    The racial connection of slavery stems from the Arabs, and they later on infected the Portuguese, and then the Portuguse infected the Spanish and so on to the Dutch and the English and the French.

    It had died out everwhere else by about the year 1450, when the Portuguese encountered it.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  31. “Slave” is from “Slav”. “Serbian”, earlier “Servian”, may be from “servius” root of “servant”.

    nk (dbc370)

  32. JDow (e30d81) — 8/22/2014 @ 9:39 am

    Muslims have a proscription against gelding, including the gelding of animals.

    The eunuchs in the Ottoman Empire were created mainly at one Coptic monastery, at Abou Gerbe monastery on Mount Ghebel Eter. The Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off Nubian or Abyssinian slave boys around the age of eight.[147] The boys were captured from Abyssinia and other areas in Sudan like Darfur and Kordofan, then brought into Sudan and Egypt. During the operation, the Coptic clergyman chained the boys to tables and after slicing off their sexual organs, stuck a piece of bamboo into the genital area, then submerged them in neck-high sand to burn. The recovery rate was ten percent. The resulting eunuchs fetched large profits in contrast to eunuchs from other areas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch#Ottoman_Empire

    nk (dbc370)

  33. Having blacks be slaves is a cultural things. I guess slavery is easier when the slaves are color coded, but it took till about 600 to 900 years ago to reach that point. All other examples of slavery in the west more or less died out, except Moslems enslaving heathen blacks.

    Not true. The Moslems had both black and white slaves, and white ones were more expensive, and thus more valued, than black ones. But the old word for “slave”, `abd, came to be so associated with “black” that they needed new words for white slaves, so they started calling them mamluk.

    Milhouse (7999ec)

  34. The racial connection of slavery stems from the Arabs, and they later on infected the Portuguese, and then the Portuguse infected the Spanish and so on to the Dutch and the English and the French.

    Again, not true. The Arabs didn’t discriminate, and had slaves of all types. There were two reasons Europeans bought exclusively black slaves for their American plantations:

    1) the slave markets of West Africa sold only black slaves, while white slaves were for sale at the markets of North Africa. But it was dangerous for a European or American ship to put in to the Barbary Coast to buy slaves; the ship might easily be siezed and its crew end up on the block themselves. In West Africa that didn’t happen.

    2) Experience quickly showed that white slaves were unsuitable for the plantation work; between sunburn and malaria, they’d quickly die. Black slaves were resistant to both, so they were a better investment.

    Milhouse (7999ec)

  35. Milhouse (7999ec) — 8/22/2014 @ 12:42 pm

    The Moslems had both black and white slaves, and white ones were more expensive, and thus more valued, than black ones.

    Come to think of it, that’s right – the Barbary Coast – and also the Tatars. They did tend to take them only or mostly from selected ethnic groups. And I remember reading about an Englishman – John Smoth – the same John Smith who wass later in Virginia, who was a slave in the Ottoman Empire for a while.

    But the old word for “slave”, `abd, came to be so associated with “black” that they needed new words for white slaves, so they started calling them mamluk.

    I read that it was a word for slave, but didn’t quite understand that. The rues of Egypt after the short dynasty started by Saladin, were Mamelukes, and I did read that meant slaves. What’s
    the etymology for mameluke?

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  36. The Mamelukes were slaves, Sammy.

    Milhouse (7999ec)

  37. If you mean the Hebrew cognate, my guess is that it’s related to ממלכה, “kingdom”, hence that which one rules or controls.

    Milhouse (7999ec)

  38. So were the Janissaries, Milhouse. The word is Turkish for “new army,” though. But they were still the slaves of the “Sublime Porte.” The Caliph’s officers would round up Christian boys from places such as Bulgaria, the Balkans, Greece, and bring them back to Turkey. All were forcibly converted to Islam. Depending on their aptitudes some were selected for government training for military and civil offices, others were rented out to Turkish farmers to learn the language and the rudiments of Islam. Eventually they formed the loyal corps of the Caliph’s army.

    For a while slave armies were all the rage in Islam.

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  39. 26. …It depends on dialect. In most dialects `abd is simply the usual word for “black person”, slave or free; in some it still means “slave”…

    Milhouse (7999ec) — 8/22/2014 @ 12:06 pm

    How well do you speak Arabic, Milhouse? I picked up a few phrases during my Islamic studies courses, but I don’t remember any now.

    But despite the fact I don’t speak Arabic I have never met a Muslim who wan’t aware of the fact that the name “Abdallah” or “Abdullah” means “slave of Allah.” No one has ever thought that Abdallah means “black person of Allah,” unaware of the fact that abd means slave, but only in other dialects.

    I’ve known Egyptians, Saudis, Iraqis, Syrians, and a ton of Lebanese. If you were to mention the word “abd” to them the first English word that would come to mind is “slave” or “servant.” Only secondarily do they connect it to blacks.

    Since the very use of the word to form the name “Abdallah” keeps the association of abd with slave alive in all dialects, on what basis do you say that in most dialects it simply means black in most dialects?

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  40. Oh yeah, I’ve known Palestinian Arabs, too. Camaro-driving Palestinians.

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  41. 26. …It depends on dialect. In most dialects `abd is simply the usual word for “black person”, slave or free; in some it still means “slave”…

    I have never met a Muslim who wan’t aware of the fact that the name “Abdallah” or “Abdullah” means “slave of Allah.” No one has ever thought that Abdallah means “black person of Allah,” unaware of the fact that abd means slave, but only in other dialects.

    Oh, they definitely know that its literal meaning is “slave”, but in actual usage it means “black person”, slave or free, which is why they’ll use it for any black person, and why they needed to coin mamluk for white slaves.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  42. I am honestly confused at this point.

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  43. Palestinians, per se are not Arabs, not if indigenous.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  44. Gary, there’s no such thing as a “Palestinian”. The term just means someone who lives in the area formerly known by that name, no matter where they or their family is from. The people who now call themselves by that name are Arabs, from all over. Egypt, Arabia, Bosnia, etc.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  45. Steve, it’s fairly simple. The literal meaning of `abd is “slave”, and every Arab speaker knows this. But over 1000 years ago usage changed, and it came to be used exclusively for black slaves, so that a new word was needed for white ones. As time moved on, in many dialects it came to be used for all black people, slave or free. And that’s how it’s used now; a speaker of those dialects will routinely refer to any black person as `abd, without necessarily any malice.

    In the story I told, that is how the witness used it. But the interpreter didn’t translate it “black man”, as he should have; in his Arabic the primary meaning of the word is still “slave” (or “black slave”), and free black people are usually called something else. So he automatically rendered the witness’s word as “slave”, causing the predictable reaction in the court.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  46. servant, submission, are you getting a certain vibe, it’s not about freedom, interesting Jose Padilla, dubbed himself, ‘Abdullah Mujahir’ servant of the foreigner’

    narciso (ee1f88)

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