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8/20/2014

Anonymous Report: Officer Who Shot Michael Brown Suffered Fracture to Eye Socket in Confrontation

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:53 am

Tough to know what to make of this, since it’s based on anonymous sources and Ferguson P.D. never mentioned it before.

Then again, their messaging has been, shall we say, somewhat imperfect.

122 Responses to “Anonymous Report: Officer Who Shot Michael Brown Suffered Fracture to Eye Socket in Confrontation”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. But the governor says the officer should be “vigorously prosecuted.”

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  3. This is still the same Gateway Pundit story attributed to “two local St. Louis sources.”

    The New York Times says:

    However, law enforcement officials say witnesses and forensic analysis [!?] have shown that Officer Wilson did sustain an injury during the struggle in the car.

    Further deponent sayeth not.

    The New York Times won’t commit itself at all as to what injury or even that there was
    an injury.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  4. Not surprisingly, Gov. Nixon of Missouri is a Democrat. He’s caught in a tough spot between the policeman’s union and Hope and Change. Holder is just the fellow to straighten it all out.

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  5. Jim Hoft, who’s based in St. Louis,

    and is a race-baiting liar, who surfs white-power websites for stories that fit his racist worldview.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  6. the application of scientific knowledge to legal problems

    dictionary definition of forensic – Sammy was struggling with that I think.

    How does Carlitos know where Jim Hoft surfs, and is there an app to covertly track a third party’s internet activity?

    If so how can one defeat it?

    I don’t want busybodies giving the proctology report on me while I surf is the gist.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  7. the Times, says wilson was injured, it took them 21 paragraphs and their curiosity was not jogged,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  8. my hometown alt weekly, insisted El Shukrijumah was innocent, then years later he pops up as AQ’s operations chief, there was never an apology

    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/20/police-sources-to-nyt-witnesses-forensics-show-that-wilson-sustained-an-injury-during-his-confrontation-with-michael-brown/

    narciso (ee1f88)

  9. Maybe they were busy dealing with rioting savages.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  10. Rioting savages is not at all racist, I presume. :roll:

    The “anonymous source” for this story is Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit.

    Here’s a link that I posted in another topic that shows Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft posting a photo of Michael Brown holding a gun. Except that it wasn’t Michael Brown. Hoft deleted the photo without a correction and edited his own headline. Is that a credible source by this blog’s standards? No, it is not.

    If the officer indeed suffered an orbital fracture, I hope that it comes out when the facts are presented.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  11. race-baiting liar = someone who pushes back at liberal playbook of calling conservatives racists

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  12. St. Louis Activist Hub – LOL!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  13. St. Louis Activist Hub – LOL!

    You can pretend this didn’t happen if it makes you feel better. Go ahead, surf over to Gateway Pundit and see if you can find a correction on the misidentified photo. My only question is whether Hoft started this nonsense, or only posted some nonsense that he saw on Facebook that was “too good to check.”

    http://imgur.com/p4XQhKA

    http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2014/08/14/jodah-cain-michael-brown/

    http://www.thenattyconservative.com/ferguson-teen-just-robbed-store/

    http://cdn.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mike-brown.jpg

    http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/26310700/kansas-city-officer-faces-review-for-michael-brown-facebook-posts

    http://www.kgw.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/19/joda-cain-michael-brown/14284129/

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  14. Times isn’t going to be jogged, they have Frances Robles on the case. Unless she can find a facebook account of the cop and maybe a few family members that can be “accidentally” threatened.

    Hawkins (1fc204)

  15. 5. Says, he of “don’t you read opinion conflicting with your own?”

    Indeed, we read. It’s you that do not, ph*ckwit. Back to the undifferentiated ooze with you.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  16. how could we doubt, their sterling expertise:

    http://fox4kc.com/2014/08/19/shawn-parcells-credentials-role-in-michael-brown-autopsy-questioned-by-doctors/

    yes Hoft was the original link

    narciso (ee1f88)

  17. Breitbart today has a number of stories up supporting the new Republican hotness, “Law and Order”.

    Frankly, in the quest for order, the Law is going to be a ‘nice to have’.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  18. “Times isn’t going to be jogged, they have Frances Robles on the case.”

    Hawkins – Frances Robles has moved up from the Miami Herald but is still being fed her information directly by the “Scheme Team.”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  19. If only Carlitos was as dogged in his denunciations of leftwing bloggers or Soros funded disseminators of disinformation and blatant lies.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  20. FWIW from a trusted source, (I’m surprised no one who knows these things has commented) police departments need to offset one’s 5th Amendment rights with the demand that not telling your supervisor what happened is an automatic fire, so an officer is expected to inform his supervisor of the events, and that is under duress and not admissible in court (at least in PA). The supervisor deals with Internal Affairs until the DA has said no charges will be filed. (I guess if the DA brings something to trial IA is out of the loop).
    So, it is not really surprising that there has been no release of Wilson’s side of the story.

    I hope they got some reliable reports from some witnesses early on, that will not be swayed by the rioting that has gone on sense.
    Can defense witnesses give secret testimony?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  21. he needs to put some ointment on that orbital fracture for reals this happened to my cousin once and he didn’t use the ointment and now mostly he just watches wheel of fortune all day

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  22. St. Louis Activist Hub – LOL!

    I posted a bunch of links, but they are stuck in the moderation.

    [carlitos -- comment rescued. - JVW]

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  23. The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  24. 21. Col. Haiku

    In fact, carlito seems a little too obsessed with Jim Hoft – sounds very much like the rantings and whinings of a certain blogger nicknamed “Magical Jazzy Ponytail” by the late Andrew Breitbart. They guy who tweets endlessly about people and then screams “STALKERS!” when someone answers back.

    Carolina Girl (7c8316)

  25. there’s simply no call whatsoever for these personal attacks on Mr. carlitos

    Jim Hoft isn’t everyone’s cup of tea

    Jim Hoft is never going to be everyone’s cup of tea

    everyone knows this

    it’s a thing

    Deal.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  26. there’s simply no call whatsoever for these personal attacks on Mr. carlitos

    there’s simply no call whatsoever for these personal attacks on Mr. Hoft

    I agree

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  27. Mr. carlitos is critiquing a blogger’s bloggings

    this is how the internet polices itself you know, and we all owe Mr. carlitos our thanks for doing his part

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  28. Robles, got her job at Carlos Slim’s, because of her reporting at my Fishwrap,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  29. Mr. Feets – I am critique Mr. carlitos’ critique.

    It’s a thing

    Deal

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  30. ok you may proceed but I got my eye on you mister

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  31. Hoft posts fiction, and is exposed. Good. But that is almost completely disconnected with the problems in Ferguson. Infact, no one would know of the blog except for web crawlers. Now, who is going to correct the much more malicious and consequential fiction that caused all these riots. The rioters have a great deal invested in believing the lies. And the community organizer corps has been quick to capitalize on the crisis. This will take some real leadership to untangle.

    bobathome (5ccbd8)

  32. sometimes the story doesn’t pan out, but as compared to the layers of editors, at any major publication

    narciso (ee1f88)

  33. Wait… this injury thing is not completely new. I recall a report, possiblythe same day as the shooting, that the officer appeared with what appeared to be an eye or facial injury and he was taken to, or seen at, an emergency room. This more specific report may be just a refinement of what was reported earlier.

    Those front bones in the face, especially those that hold and protect the eye are pretty substantial. They do not fracture that easily.

    Gramps, the original (d40b0b)

  34. The original Gramps is correct. Officer Wilson was reported to have been treated for a facial injury immediately following the shooting incident. Reports of the nature and extent of this injuries were suppressed by DoJ “investigators” exactly the same way and for the same reasons they tried to suppress the video tape of Brown’s robbery.

    ropelight (ffcd8e)

  35. testing

    GA (f6d8de)

  36. Reports of the nature and extent of this injuries were suppressed

    Could have been a HIPAA thing or a procedural thing with the department too.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  37. shirley you can’t be serious, the New Yorker narrative, which sparked the hashtag, was a variation on the Bonfire of the Vanities, honor student gunned down by cop, on the way from home,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  38. Carlito, I’ll be sticking with Jim Hoft and his source. He doesn’t seem any more a liar and racist than the ArchiePundit guy you recursively linked to.

    Besides my guy allows comments. Your guy doesn’t. My guy lots of people agree with him.
    Your guy, well who knows?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  39. Let’s see, the topic at issue here is the activities of a brazen bellicose strong-arm thug caught on video tape robbing a convenience store in broad daylight in front of several witnesses and menacing a store clerk half his size during the commission of a crime, who soon thereafter smashes a uniformed police office in the face so violently he breaks the bones surrounding the officer’s eye socket.

    These are the facts only a charlatan willing to swear allegiance to an outworn creed would deny, yet instead of upholding peace, racial harmony, the rule of law, and seeking therefore to condemn violent criminal aggression, carlitos is so desperate to change the subject and deflect attention away from the actual criminal misbehavior of Saint Michael of Missouri, carlitos insists on complaining about imaginary grievances with the blogger/owner of an entirely different website.

    That’s what philistines do when confronted with inconvenient facts, first they deny reality, then they attack the victim, then they try to pass off half-wit nonsense as if was revealed wisdom and beyond the scope of criticism or demands for verification. It how liars roll.

    ropelight (ffcd8e)

  40. My guy lots of people agree with him.

    Lots of people agree that Allah is God and Muhammad is his prophet. Are they right too?

    Who is ArchiePundit and how did I recursively link them?

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  41. I have observed a similar pattern, two years ago:

    http://narcisoscorner.blogspot.com/2012/04/friday-night-shell-game.html?view=sidebar

    nbc really took the lead, Stelter rather reluctantly did a ‘limited hangout’

    narciso (ee1f88)

  42. poor carlitos will be SO disappointed…

    looks like Jim Hoft was right.

    teh narrative hardest hit…

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  43. MSNBC host pelted with rocks by rioters

    I’m not smiling alot…

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  44. Wonder what carlitos thinks of the leftwing vermin/bloggers/pundits who are rousing the rabble, disturbing the shlt/stirring up trouble in Ferguson and any other place that has the misfortune of attracting their attention?

    Just a rhetorical question…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. Purple Hayes!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  46. Purple Hayes runnin’ thru his brain,
    lately things they don’t seem the same,
    He’s actin’ funny but he don’t know why
    ‘scuse him while he kiss this guy

    Purple Hayes all around,
    don’t know if he’s coming up or down.
    Is he happy or in misery?
    Whatever it is, he’s on MSLSD

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. MOAR narrative disrupting news via Jim Hoft

    with links to original sources, no less. teh narrative remains hardest hit, with wishful thinking a close second. closed minds remain unchanged… unexpectedly.

    8-)

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  48. stones?

    what a bunch of losers

    get you some bricks, slackers

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  49. MSNBC host pelted with rocks by rioters

    I’m not smiling alot…

    papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/20/2014 @ 2:56 pm

    You shouldn’t be. Are we going to applaud rioters because they hit a leftist media outlet?

    Wonder what carlitos thinks of the leftwing vermin/bloggers/pundits who are rousing the rabble, disturbing the shlt/stirring up trouble in Ferguson and any other place that has the misfortune of attracting their attention?

    Why is that rhetorical? Afraid of the ANSWER?

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  50. The Narrative™ will be the Narrative™ until the Make Believe Media reports otherwise. Do you actually think MSLSD and the other alphabet media is going to let this go without a full scale riot?

    hadoop (f7d5ba)

  51. say it loud, carlitos… you’re a lefty and you’re proud!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. MOAR narrative disrupting news via Jim Hoft

    with links to original sources, no less. teh narrative remains hardest hit, with wishful thinking a close second. closed minds remain unchanged… unexpectedly.

    The article you linked is headed “BREAKING: Mike Brown Autopsy “Expert” Is NOT A DOCTOR – Has Degree in NON-EXISTENT MEDICAL FIELD.” I’m not making these active links so as to bypass the spam filter.

    “I am a forensic pathologist assistant and medical investigator,” Parcells told FOX 4’s Shannon O’Brien.

    http://education-portal.com/articles/Forensic_Pathology_Assistant_Job_Description_Duties_and_Requirements.html

    http://explorehealthcareers.org/en/Career/119/Pathologists_Assistant

    http://www.pathassist.org/?page=AboutUs_WhatIsAPA

    http://www.forensicscolleges.com/programs/pathologist-assistant

    http://pathology.iupui.edu/education/graduate/graduate-tracks/pathologists-assistant/

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  53. me i’d like to go on record as saying i love riots and I’m on the side of the rioters vs. both those creepy uber-white police nazis as well as the media (left or right) but not against innocent businesses and other innocent people

    other than that riot people I hope you’re enjoying your summer

    you need to makes some noise to where we can hear it out hear in the cheap seats (los angeles)

    i never had a summer when i was little where we did much rioting so I get to enjoy it through you so don’t let me down haha – update those facebook pages for me ok pickles?

    be safe

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  54. oops out *here* in the cheap seats please to retweet the good spelling thx

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  55. Grr. I got moderated again.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  56. me i’d like to go on record as saying i love riots and I’m on the side of the rioters vs. both those creepy uber-white police nazis as well as the media (left or right) but not against innocent businesses and other innocent people

    That’s not how riots work. I moved to San Diego prior to the LA riots, thank goodness. When I lived in LA, I worked in Boyle Heights(between the Fourth and Seventh street bridges)! And I rode a motorcycle!

    hadoop (f7d5ba)

  57. Mr. hadoop it might just be these particular riots are defective

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  58. On a more relevant note, there are legitimate questions about the pathology guy. They don’t involve him having a ‘fake’ job title.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  59. what we can do is use a weighted average where the questionable guy’s autopsy will only count for like half as much as the others Mr. c

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  60. say it loud, carlitos… you’re a lefty and you’re proud!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/20/2014 @ 3:18 pm

    My ANSWER went right over your head, I see. You might wish to stop beclowning yourself with ridiculous assertions like this.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  61. Averaging Autopsies could be a TLC series, like Top Chef or Drag Queens. Aspiring pathologists gather at the start of the show, and find that today’s secret ingredient is … gunshot victims. Go!

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  62. yep, you’re too slick for me, carlitos… go get ‘em, tiger!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  63. I like your Haikus, but I have no idea why you’re insulting me. Could you please stop?

    I found this site because of my interest in media bias. Parroting questionable right-wing blogs is just as much of a media bias as anything the LA Times has done. I apply the same filter to both sides.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  64. no insults intended… and my haikus suck.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  65. no for reals I don’t get why america lets herself get led around by her dick by a bunch of cable news propaganda whores

    Ferguson whatever who cares

    this story is uninteresting

    it’s happening in nowheresville number one

    number two it’s taking the spotlight away from the filthurchin invasion, which is ungracious is what it is

    number three yawn who cares like this affects me

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  66. omg i kinda thought that would get filtrated

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  67. number four ebola

    we really need to be keeping our eye on the ebola ball just now

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  68. no insults intended

    Thank you. I’ll work on my tone as well.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  69. TRAN’SAmerica, feets?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  70. carlitos, I fished your second comment (3:22 pm) out of the spam filter too. It doesn’t appear that it matter whether you make the URLs active hyperlinks or not, they get treated that way by WordPress regardless.

    JVW (638245)

  71. I had to take a couple of adjunct journalism/media courses from Medill while in in grad school related to crisis management planning and prep. The first thing they teach you is to examine and report the story– not lead the direction of the story, or allow yourself to be a part of the story, or be the focus of the story yourself, or get caught spinning the story. You’re also supposed to be aware that “facts” gleaned from first person interviews that are offered or requested during the developing stages of a crisis are quite often faulty, self serving, and ultimately may be intentionally or unintentionally off base, such that early assumptions drawn from them are also frequently wrong. From what I’ve seen over recent days I personally think the on-site reporting (especially by embedded national media) has been embarrassing and abysmal and unprofessional.

    Frankly, because of this I don’t think any of us probably know enough about what’s really going on in Ferguson to be particularly authoritative or sure in our opinions. But it’s always fun to speculate.

    elissa (41e608)

  72. Small world, elissa. I went to Kellogg, but did my crisis management study with Hill and Knowlton. The training was invaluable; I just had a crisis last week and used the basic tools they taught me.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  73. if Ferguson is a crisis then America bless her heart she needs to just give it up right now

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  74. Well, there you go Carlitos, and I also take pleasure in the knowledge that we’re both clever enough and smart enough and patient enough to be Chicago White Sox fans.

    elissa (41e608)

  75. razz:

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  76. :razz:

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  77. At this point I think the best we can hope for is that Al Sharpton and his ilk, along with whatever bottom readers from the Administration may show up, get trampled flat in the riot.

    I don’t see anything else even remotely good coming out of it.

    C. S. P. Schofield (e8b801)

  78. Thanks for the links, red.

    I have no reason to believe the cops are lying in this instance because an orbital blowout fracture either exists and can proven to exist. Or it doesn’t.

    But if it proves to be true, then the cop appears to have a slam dunk case for self defense if there’s any sanity remaining in the world. Because anybody who has already broken bones in your skull has demonstrated they have the means to cause you grave bodily injury or death. Which makes your fear for your life objectively reasonable. For some reason the MFM is reporting this as if just because Michael Brown was 18 and unarmed, that makes the use of deadly force unreasonable. No, it doesn’t. Deadly force is deadly force. Not everyone needs a weapon to kill you. Just the ability to deliver deadly force. Broken skull bones means the aggressor has the ability to cause grave bodily injury or death.

    If someone has the ability to beat you to death just with their fists, feet, elbows, knees, because they have trained to do so or because they are so much larger and stronger then you doesn’t mean you are limited to duking it out with them even though they are unarmed (and you are) if it means your death.

    Of course, you still have to prove opportunity and intent. But if they wrestled over the gun, that would prove intent. Brown wanted Wilson’s gun. And proximity would prove opportunity.

    One thing to keep in mind is that cops are always trained to be acutely aware that in any fight there is always a gun present. Their own. If a cop gets knocked out (and Brown was quite capable of knocking Wilson, or nearly anyone, out if the medical evidence of his injuries backs up his story) then that means Brown would then have his gun. And could pretty much do what he wanted.

    Added bonus; a story of an unarmed teenager who should’ve been shot by the cops:

    http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/man-found-guilty-officers-beating-death-sentenced-50-years-prison-5828.shtml#.U_UgrLOzl6w

    EL PASO, Texas — An El Paso teen has been sentenced to 50 years in prison after he was convicted of beating an off-duty police officer to death.

    Juan Antonio Gonzalez, 19, has been sentenced to 50 years with no fine after he was convicted of beating to death off-duty police Officer Jonathan Molina in 2012.

    If I recall correctly (and I believe I do) Officer Molina saw Juan Gonzalez and friends vandalizing cars. So he stopped them. But he let his guard down. Because of course at only 17 Gonzalez was only barely olde enough, like Trayvon Martin, to join the Marines. Yeah, with your parents’ permission you can join the military at 17. Which just shows how harmless fully grown 17 and 18 year olds are. Gonzalez got close enough to pull Molina’s legs out from under him, knocking Molina out when the back of his head hit the pavement.

    Then what did Gonzalez do? Beat the unconscious police officer’s head into a pulp. I loved this quote from his defense attorney:

    “How quickly this happened, it was a quick fight between Johnny and the officer, and it lasted less than 10 seconds,” Morales said. “That’s what the evidence was, that’s what the witnesses said.”

    Gonzales proved that at as a teenager he can and will kill someone with his bare hands in less than ten seconds, and the guy’s defense attorney thinks that it means he should get a lighter sentence. Why? So he can use the skills he’s going to learn in prison to become an even more efficient killer while he’s still young enough?

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  79. It wasn’t even actually what you call a fight. But then the defense attorney is smearing the cop, in the same way that the MFM tries to smear Israel as if it’s on the same level as Hamas.

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  80. At this point I think the best we can hope for is that Al Sharpton and his ilk, along with whatever bottom readers from the Administration may show up, get trampled flat in the riot.

    I’m a girl watcher, but that’s above my pay grade, CSP Scofield!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  81. here’s a photograph – documented evidence – in which each and every person in the picture looks out of place

    which is apropos of nothing just that Chris Hayes in Ferguson Missouri is a very similar thing and it remindered me of this

    but seriously wtf

    why is the old italian guy wearing jeans? what’s wrong with you?

    why does the black guy look like he’s poised to do unspeakable things to Serious Frowny Guy?

    did tightly-wound business suit girl just rip the shoulder pads out of one of Krystle Carrington’s hand-me-downs?

    why is the chick from the Drew Carey Show there?

    those two on the left – is that what Wonder Twins Zan and Jayna look like in real life?

    nobody tells me anything

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  82. Oh, happyfeet, I think I donated that gray pinstripe skirt suit to goodwill a few years back. Now it’s famous.

    elissa (41e608)

  83. please to define “a few”

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  84. Parroting questionable right-wing blogs is just as much of a media bias as anything the LA Times has done. I apply the same filter to both sides.

    which is why you just happened to ignore the links in the Gateway Pundit post that led to outside sources… even though i mentioned their existence.

    your even handedness is remarkably biased when it suits you.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  85. carlitos (c24ed5) — 8/20/2014 @ 3:16 pm

    The humor is generated because Chris Hayes is a nasty race baiter who stokes the very type of lawlessness on display at Fergusson.

    Then he shows up at the scene, and finds out he’s just another white target for the thugs.

    Haw haw.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  86. reaped what he sowed – it’s a Christian thing. I’m allowed to laugh.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  87. if you’re allowed to laugh then I’m allowed to order pizza later

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  88. When a guy impeaches the character of people he doesn’t know, on the basis of skin tone, using sketchy outlines, gleened from unrelated sources, you kind of hope someday, somehow, somewhere, the same thing happens to him.

    Well today it happened in Fergusson to Chris Hayes. Bonus. How involves rocks!

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  89. Watching Bill OReilly rail about NBC paying Al Sharpton to “put out garbage like this…”… funny, but I remember blockading Bill having Sharpton on his show on a weekly basis for a long period of time and that was not that long ago,

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  90. Bloviating… damnable iPhone!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. fox news is for old white people what are slightly less old and just a shade less white than the people what watched Larry King

    cable news is very niche what can i tell you

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  92. I think MSNBC are the biggest birthers out there, doing the most to perpetuate that rubbish and Chris Matthews continues talking about it even today.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  93. Darren Wilson really looked like he had a fractured eye socket in the video of him afte the shooting. and where did Jim Hoft get that CT scan?

    nops (1467a4)

  94. the birther thing is not unrespectable

    cause there’s something very sketchy about this random sleazy whore george soros put in our white house Mr. daley

    I’m not gonna knock anyone what says ok who the hell is this random nobody hawaiian pothead-by-way-of-harvard jerk-off exactly

    it’s a very respectable question

    and nobody’s answered it yet

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  95. yes, I remember that too, Colonel,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  96. Look at ol’ happyfeet acting like he’s imune to toe fungus. Step up to the mic dude.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  97. hf at #24
    I’ve had an orbital fracture that came also with broken jaw (upper and lower) somehow without losing teeth.
    Anyway, it hurts like a mother****** once the adrenaline wears off. There is a big nerve that runs down through there to run the lower face muscles. There is also the eye… my fracture shoved pieces of bone into my eye muscles and it felt like a bunch of sticks in my eye.
    It took over 4 surgeries to make it all just OK. Doesn’t hurt as much, my eye doesn’t wander, I can chew again and the feeling in my face is OK except for some areas that will always be numb.

    steveg (794291)

  98. Chris Matthews still peddling the “shot in the back” lie on MSNBC.

    Bet he stays at least a stones throw away from Fergusen while he wish casts harm on others.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  99. FWIW, a “blow-out” fracture occurs when the eye ball and surrounding tissue is compressed and a relatively fragile bone below the eye is “blown out”, fractured downward from the pressure. Never had a patient with one. The main issue is whether some of the eye muscles get trapped, in which case surgery needs to be done to preserve normal eye function. If the eye muscles are not trapped, I think it is not necessarily “a big deal”, in terms of the need for surgery or “how bad it may look”.
    But it is a significant injury, and one can reasonably ask if there was any associated concussion and alteration of judgment.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  100. About a year ago a friend’s husband suffered a blow out fracture to one eye in a weird, weird freak accident. I had never heard of such a thing before. In addition to having double vision for a while and having his jaw wired shut so he wouldn’t chew (in order to keep his face immobile to let the eye bone heal)– it also affected his tear ducts and his sinuses. I suppose every injury is different. But after almost a year he is still not “right”.

    elissa (41e608)

  101. If ever there is such a thing as happyfeet’s greatest hits, this thread will rank up there near the top.

    navyvet (ec562e)

  102. one can reasonably ask if there was any associated concussion and alteration of judgment.

    I sincerely doubt shooting after the clown headed back for more cop smashing was due to altered judgment. But it’s a defense.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  103. Eye socket blowouts can be quite serious. A friend was so injured when an oncoming truck driver was snorting cocaine instead of paying attention. 5 surgeries over a near sightless 2 year period with an implanted plastic replacement for part of his skull was the eventual outcome.

    ropelight (ffcd8e)

  104. To be clear, I wasn’t trying to say that it wasn’t potentially a devastating injury,
    but I was trying to say that it could have been an uncomplicated blow-out fracture and he would have had a swollen eye and could have been in and out of the ER and for follow up, as opposed to being necessarily admitted for surgery.
    it seemed to me it was insinuated that since “all he had was a swollen eye” that is didn’t fit that he had a fracture.

    Being hit with a fist, even from a big man, isn’t as bad as being hit by a truck, I guess is the conclusion.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  105. “Hoft is not everyone’s cup of tea”

    Christy Turlington is not everyone’s cup of tea, but then most of the detractors have taste in their mouths only.

    Carlitos is a fool.

    Hoft has thirty five posts up with the Mike Brown security camera shakedown. He didn’t retract anything and had no reason to. The reports that the photos are not of Brown are to be evaluated in a court of law like everything else.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  106. elissa,
    the author’s byline includes:
    launched websites for Us Weekly and Cosmopolitan, and was editor-in-chief of Maxim magazine

    He equates the domestication of strawberries with the supposed process from a simple one celled organism to advanced organisms, and claims that he “understands” it. I think his background is consistent with his grasp of the complexity of molecular biology and biochemistry.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  107. MD, I just thought Carlitos would get a hoot out of it. Especially the title. Hey, I got YOU to read it didn’t I! :)

    elissa (41e608)

  108. Here’s a cute article making fun of Whole Foods, too, for anybody who wants to lighten up a bit this evening.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-maclean/surviving-whole-foods_b_3895583.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    elissa (41e608)

  109. MD
    If the blow broke the bone into pieces, then he’d need surgery to wire it all back into place?
    For a while I had a wire and a hook that buzzed and hurt whenever I sneezed. That got redone some years later.
    Yes, some of these are painful but not serious medically. That said, for whatever reason, it seems humans really do not do well mentally with injuries to the face. It seems to trigger fight or flight way beyond the normal. Either way, the guy whose bone is broken by a punch doesn’t know what is going on and definately does not want his fragile face to get hit by another punch, nor should he. If a 290lbs guy looks like he wants to give me a second punch on top of the pain of an already broken bone…**** him

    steveg (794291)

  110. yes, it’s like rollerball with less decorum, but their crab bisque, is worth it,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  111. I defer to your judgement, doc, as always (and no I never tried those recipes with beef but I’ve done variations with olive oil or butter with venison tenderloins/backstraps and then combinations of salt, pepper, lemon wedges, or just lemon salt depending on what was in camp, and it’s all good as long as you don’t overdo it). Perhaps the cops weren’t using the right medical terms. Just as I earlier admitted I didn’t know if I wasn’t using the right butchering terms for the different cuts of meat, just the ones I was taught.

    Nobody is likely to know at the time that someone just broke bones in your face if you know you’re in a fight because of the adrenaline. You’re not as likely to go down as opposed to the knock out game, in which someone comes out of nowhere and sucker punches you while you’re just standing around waiting for the bus. But if you know you’re in a fight, your blood is up, and it’s harder to put you down. Still, you know when someone is doing a job on you even if every hit isn’t a home run.

    It seems to me the cop could have legitimately had a valid reason to think if he didn’t shoot when he did, he’d have lost control of his weapon and then he’d have been dead.

    I can’t say I’ve been hit by the best. But I’ve been hit a lot. If you’re interested I’ll tell you about what it was like growing up during the ’70′s in the Bruce Lee era with what Mr. feets would call the chinesers. Who thought a spinning roundhouse kick was a legitimate block in football down at the park.

    Adapt and overcome.

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  112. “Bet he stays at least a stones throw away from Fergusen while he wish casts harm on others.”

    papertiger – Chris is safe in his all white neighborhood getting frothed up about Republican racism.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  113. 107. …Being hit with a fist, even from a big man, isn’t as bad as being hit by a truck, I guess is the conclusion.

    MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/20/2014 @ 8:19 pm

    True. But a cop always brings a gun to a fistfight. Which means the cop can’t afford to lose the fistfight.

    Steve57 (99bd31)

  114. “the birther thing is not unrespectable”

    Mr. Feets – The left getting ascaird Donald Trump was a real presidential candidate was not respectable. That was snort worthy. Trump shamed Obama into releasing his birth certificate. That was news.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  115. I don’t believe ThinkProgress or Media Matters have very good correction policies.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  116. Daley,

    or any correction policies

    EPWJ (9dacda)

  117. what’s to correct?

    they’re always right…

    redc1c4 (abd49e)


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