Jesse Jackson Fails To Successfully Exploit Michael Brown’s Death
[guest post by Dana]
Jesse Jackson rolled into Ferguson, Mo., yesterday to show solidarity with protestors and to ask for donations. Apparently the community was not receptive to his request for money:
According to multiple accounts people here were booing Jesse Jackson when he asked for donations.
— SassyLibertyGramma (@DgailB) August 16, 2014
Jesse Jackson getting booed off for asking for donations for church. #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/osEUt54EtE
— zellie (@zellieimani) August 16, 2014
–Dana
I’ve been to a couple of events with Jesse Jackson. Really, you don’t want to be between him and a camera or someone handing out checks.
Tragic Christian (229525) — 8/17/2014 @ 1:59 pmIn the end, this is a local matter. A community that grew black and a police force that did not. Real and imagined slights built up over 20 years and suddenly exploded. Even the fact that Brown was a criminal and a jerk won’t calm down the feeling that something has to change.
Jackson blew into town wanting to reap that anger and found that the good people of Ferguson aren’t too happy with their so-called national leadership either. Especially when they ask for money.
Kind of like the RNC at a Tea Party rally.
Kevin M (b357ee) — 8/17/2014 @ 1:59 pmThere is a God. If Obama had a son, he would look like Jesse Jackson.
Ipso Fatso (10964d) — 8/17/2014 @ 2:56 pmis this the one that likes the little boys or was that his son
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/17/2014 @ 3:24 pmJesse Jackson is only supposed to shakedown white people and prey on their liberal guilt. No wonder the people in Ferguson did not appreciate his racket. It merely lines Jesse’s pockets.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/17/2014 @ 3:34 pmHe should have been, like Oprah, passing out free cars from Toyota.
askeptic (efcf22) — 8/17/2014 @ 3:42 pmoprah’s for sure not the one that like the little boys
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/17/2014 @ 3:44 pmJesse Jackson is not an insider here.
Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7) — 8/17/2014 @ 4:14 pmwhat’s with the dude in the tablecloth
happyfeet (8ce051) — 8/17/2014 @ 4:19 pmJesse Jackson is a grifter out for himself.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/17/2014 @ 4:30 pm#3: If Obama had a grafter uncle who only showed up at the family’s door when he needed something, he’d be Jesse Jackson.
Kevin M (b357ee) — 8/17/2014 @ 4:38 pm“Jackson blew
into town wanting to reap that anger and found that the good people of Ferguson aren’t too happy with their so-called national leadership either. Especially when they ask for moneyFIFY
Colonel Haiku (f8c86d) — 8/17/2014 @ 4:47 pmYou know after a while–and so many many “engagements”, even a race whore becomes unattractive.
Skeptical Voter (12e67d) — 8/17/2014 @ 7:40 pmIf Obama had a grafter uncle
If?
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013/12/03/uncle-president-obama-faces-deportation-kenya-today/eJVkJmzoMMnYCNUFekBEiL/story.html
Art Deco (ee8de5) — 8/17/2014 @ 7:46 pmOK, but most of the attendees will still vote Donkey Party, no matter what.
Dirty Old Man (4f014c) — 8/17/2014 @ 7:49 pmYou say you got a real solution
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/17/2014 @ 9:40 pmWell you know
We’d all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We’re doing what we can
But when you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Michael Brown autopsy shows he was shot six times in the front, shot placement suggests that the officer used progressive level of force (means he tried to wing him instead of kill him) shot first in the hand, second in the elbow, third in the shoulder .. and so on until Brown stopped advancing upon him.
Shows that more than one of the witnesses, in fact all of them that I heard, aren’t worth a damn and on a political mission of their own.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/17/2014 @ 10:24 pm#17, p-tiger, how is it possible to determine the sequence of shots? I note that all entrance wounds are from the front with the exception that one bullet entered at the top of Brown’s head.
ropelight (4da36f) — 8/18/2014 @ 6:08 am#17, p-tiger, how is it possible to determine the sequence of shots? I note that all entrance wounds are from the front with the exception that one bullet entered at the top of Brown’s head.
The pathologist hired by Ben Crump (Dr. Michael Baden) has offered the opinion that the two shots to the head were the last two. The first four hit the suspect’s right arm.
Art Deco (ee8de5) — 8/18/2014 @ 6:14 amLooks like Crump didn’t get his money’s worth — made the mistake of hiring an honest man.
Milhouse (9d71c3) — 8/18/2014 @ 6:25 amThanks, Deco, I read Baden’s linked report, and I agree the damage caused by the 2 head shots would have rendered Brown (on anyone else) incapable of further aggression and were in all likelihood the final 2 shots in the sequence. My question to p-tiger was how it was possible to determine the first shot hit Brown in the hand, the second in the elbow, the third in the shoulder, etc.
I don’t know how it’s possible to know that. It seems like unsupportable speculation to me.
ropelight (4da36f) — 8/18/2014 @ 7:09 amRapid fire from plastic wonder nine even with the girly two-handed grip? The gun climbed. Hand, elbow, shoulder, face, top of head. The cop was probably going for center mass the whole time.
nk (dbc370) — 8/18/2014 @ 7:18 amHmmm,
from what very little I know, I’m thinking the shots to the arm were misses to the torso,
unless the cop was an excellent shooter and there was some significant distance between the two.
my understanding is that when a police officer shoots, it is presumed to be a life and death situation and shots to the torso, and multiple, are the rule. The idea that the officer has an opportunity to pick and choose non-lethal targets at first and then progress is more TV stuff than real,
but as I say, that is from what little I know and I could be wrong.
I imagine if there are powder buns associated with any of the wounds that would give additional information as to what shots were fired from farther away or close up, “if”.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/18/2014 @ 7:23 amnk, looks like we cross posted with a similar thought, though you know more about it than I do.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/18/2014 @ 7:25 amnk and MD, that would be my speculation too, but I wondered how p-tiger got from hand to elbow to shoulder in order without a few qualifiers along the way.
ropelight (4da36f) — 8/18/2014 @ 7:33 amWell how would you explain it?
All I’m saying is that autopsy diagram of the bullet holes is a textbook example of firecontrol in an escalating situation.
SO climb the heck off.
Howcome you don’t want to talk about the 180 degrees off of reality witness descriptions?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/18/2014 @ 10:09 ampapertiger (c2d6da) — 8/17/2014 @ 10:24 pm
Shows that more than one of the witnesses, in fact all of them that I heard, aren’t worth a damn and on a political mission of their own.
They started lying within 20 or 25 minutes of the shooting.
I think there’s something important we are not being told.
I think there were some other characters there.
I think possibly Officer Darren Wilson wasn’t aiming at Michael Brown at all.
Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7) — 8/18/2014 @ 10:30 amI think the cheese slipped off your cracker, Sammy.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/18/2014 @ 10:35 amThe New York Times reports that a Twitter account that of @TheePharoah, a St. louis area rapper, began tweeting at 12:03 pm. The messages are in shorthand and full of grammatical errors.
At 12:03 he tweeted that he had just seen someone die. And later that same minute, that he was about to hyperventilate.
Twenty minutes later, at 12:23 p.m. he writes:
Dorian Johnson – who is four years older (22) than Michael Brown was (18) has claimed that Michael Brown was shot in the back. That’s not consistent with the autopsy, but it is consistent with the tweet.
Later that Saturday, someone shoots a 10-minute video (apparently using a cell phone) by a person who identifies himself as a neighbor. It shows Michael Brown’s body, yellow police tape, and people standing around.
People can be heard talking on the video.
One woman says: “They shot that boy ’cause they wanted to.”
A man says: “They said he had his hands up and everything.”
Who said????
A woman can be heard saying: “Where is the ambulance? Where is the ambulance?”
The man holding the camera replies: “God rest his soul. He’s gone.”
The video is available on You Tube, and as the writing of the New York Times article yesterday, had collected 225,000 views.
Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7) — 8/18/2014 @ 10:39 amSF: I think possibly Officer Darren Wilson wasn’t aiming at Michael Brown at all.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/18/2014 @ 10:35 am
I think the cheese slipped off your cracker, Sammy.
When they shoot at someone, they are supposed to shoot at the center mass. Yes, maybe he wass trying to fire off warning shots. They are not supposed to do that, but they should really, if they are careful. And maybe he did. But four warning shots?
I think this is consistent with aiming at someone else or somewhere else entirely.
Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7) — 8/18/2014 @ 10:44 amMD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/18/2014 @ 7:23 am
unless the cop was an excellent shooter and there was some significant distance between the two.
The shots were fired from at leasst 2 feet away. Not including the gun that went off in the car,
I imagine if there are powder buns associated with any of the wounds that would give additional information as to what shots were fired from farther away or close up, “if”.
No powder burns, but Dr, Michael Baden did not have access to the clothing.
Since Michael Brown was 6 foot 4 and weighed 292 pounds – he had the body of an NFL linebacker – and the shots entered his skull from above, it would seem his head was bowed down at the time he was shot.
Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7) — 8/18/2014 @ 10:49 amThere you go again. No Sammy. Policemen are not “supposed” to shoot to kill.
I’ll go further to say Officer Wilson is the sort of professional constable I would hope to be confronted by were I ever to go on a drug addled rampage. Pretty sure the shot in the arm would have chilled me out.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/18/2014 @ 11:02 ampapertiger (c2d6da) — 8/18/2014 @ 11:02 am
There you go again. No Sammy. Policemen are not “supposed” to shoot to kill.
They are not supposed to fire off their weapon unless it is a life or death situation – either their life or somebody else’s life is in immediate danger, and in a situation they are supposed to shoot to kill (or stop) (It’s not actually shoot to kill. Shooting to kill would be attemoting to hit the head. It is easier, however, to miss, than when shooting at the chest, where the wound s less likely to be lethal.)
But still.
It’s more or less either shoot to kill, or don’t shoot at all.
Warning shots are not supposed to be fired because they could hit innocent bystanders.
As I said, that is not necessarily the best policy, but it is the policy.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/robert-farago/cnn-wolf-blitzer-dont-cops-shoot-wound/
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/blitzer-to-toobin-why-cant-police-just-shoot-to-injure-instead-of-shoot-to-kill/#ooid=81eGhubzqCTCxwrzfHP_YqOumLRM0Zpm
Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7) — 8/18/2014 @ 11:30 amThat’s not true. They are also allowed to shoot to stop a dangerous felon from escaping.
Milhouse (9d71c3) — 8/18/2014 @ 12:04 pmMilhouse (9d71c3) — 8/18/2014 @ 12:04 pm
They are also allowed to shoot to stop a dangerous felon from escaping.
If that’s the case, Darren Wilson is in the clear.
How dangerous does he have to be?
Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7) — 8/18/2014 @ 12:30 pmAccording to Justice White, “Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others”.
But that only applies to policemen. Ordinary citizens, in those states that have not abolished the common law “fleeing felon” rule, are not restricted by that decision.
And no, Wilson isn’t in the clear until it’s established exactly what happened. If Brown really had surrendered, then Wilson’s in trouble.
But in any case, we know that Brown wasn’t fleeing at the time, because he was shot from the front, so the fleeing felon rule doesn’t apply. The question is whether Wilson reasonably believed that he was in danger. So far the little evidence we have suggests that he did, or at least that nobody can prove he didn’t, but it’s still early days.
Milhouse (9d71c3) — 8/18/2014 @ 6:35 pmExcept in Texas, ordinary citizens are not ordinarily allowed to shoot fleeing felons. They are allowed to shoot felons who are about to commit certain felonies against themselves or others. The danger must be imminent.
nk (dbc370) — 8/18/2014 @ 6:41 pmpapertiger, (#26) asked, Well how would you explain it? Followed by, All I’m saying is that autopsy diagram of the bullet holes is a textbook example of firecontrol in an escalating situation.
There’s the rub; …a textbook example of firecontrol in an escalating situation.
I question that interpretation of the gunshots because I don’t see how in the heat of the moment, when Officer Wilson had just been punched in the face, shoved back into his patrol car, embroiled in a scuffle for control of his gun so serious a shot rang out and while the adrenaline was pumping that Wilson, alone and facing a violently aggressive onrushing 6’4″ 300 pounder, can be presumed to have calmly followed what you, mistakenly I believe, assert is a textbook example of firecontrol.
It’s no such thing, and this isn’t personal, I’m not denigrating you, I simply reject the attempt to impose a theoretical sequential order on an array of bullet holes no one could possibly determine which came before any of the others with the exception of the head shots largely because it assumes Officer Wilson had the time, presence of mind, and the ability with a handgun to place non-lethal shots (in Brown’s thumb, forearm, and upper arm, the legs would make more sense) while in immediate danger for his life.
As for your last question: Howcome you don’t want to talk about the 180 degrees off of reality witness descriptions? I have no idea what you’re talking about or why you addressed the question to me.
PS: I read your comments and off the top of my head can’t think of another one I didn’t find enjoyable.
ropelight (b5fb75) — 8/19/2014 @ 4:19 amI went by count. Six shots, six hits, with the last one delivering the coup de gras, says firecontrol to me. Not counting the accidental discharge inside the cruiser.
Doc said something about shooting that accurately while under duress is the stuff of TV drama. Sure, but it’s reality TV.
Check out the first 30 seconds of this video.
Ropelight note: in my original comment with the link I said, “…shot placement suggests the officer…”.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/19/2014 @ 3:47 pmI don’t have any special knowledge about how the shooting went down. I’m just saying if you have a well trained officer being charged by a belligerent, the autopsy diagrams the shot placement I would expect.