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7/9/2014

Sen. Coburn: Emergency Funding Request In A Nutshell

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:51 am

[guest post by Dana]

Sen. Tom Coburn is less than supportive of the $3.7 billion request for emergency funding to help with the “humanitarian crisis” at the border:

[H]e opposes President Barack Obama’s request for $3.7 billion in emergency funding to address the influx of unaccompanied minors across the southwest border.

“That’s $60,000 per child we will spend, in emergency money,” the Oklahoma Republican said on CNN’s “Crossfire.”

“That shows how incompetent [the government] is.”

Coburn said providing additional resources for detention spaces and immigration attorneys to the minors is the “wrong approach.”

“We can put them all on a first class seat to their homes, that’s $8 million,’ he added.

–Dana

40 Responses to “Sen. Coburn: Emergency Funding Request In A Nutshell”

  1. food stamp isn’t demonstrating anything that can be described as leadership here

    he’s going all porky porky chris christie on the border but he doesn’t have porky’s swagger so it’s yet another misfire on his part

    they’re really adding up

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  2. Way less than the cost of a typical Obama vacation!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3. And the $3.7 billion dollars will do absolutely nothing to prevent another child from surrendering to the Boarder Patrol. Neither will the senate immigration bill. It’s all bs speak for “hey, we’re doing something”, when we all know that the only way anyone(not just children) will be deported in when they end up like Aunt Zeituni Onyango, dead from natural causes.

    Hadoop (379e8e)

  4. Hadoop – Don’t forget about Uncle Omar who hit a police car while driving drunk.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  5. Hadoop – Don’t forget about Uncle Omar who hit a police car while driving drunk.

    He didn’t die, and he was allowed to stay!

    Sammy thinks that human traffickers will be dissuaded from smuggling people across the boarder if we beef up security. Smugglers don’t give a rat’s @$$ about boarder security, they just charge more(true capitalists they are). And what’s the risk? We just let them go anyway.

    Hadoop (379e8e)

  6. Thanks for posting this, Dana. I have been waiting to see evidence of a coordinated team R response. I think Sen. Coburn’s statement/talking point is a trial balloon to see how it will play. And I think it will play very well, and not just with conservatives. The numbers are simple and are compelling and he makes the 3.7 billion figure look ridiculous on its face, which of course it is. There are many Americans (no matter how compassionate they feel to the plight of the border children) who can’t even imagine the concept of having $60,000 a year in income with which to maintain their entire family. Obama over-reached again-badly-with this figure.

    elissa (b62c4b)

  7. I bet for another 8 million we could buy seats for the families they were hoping to rejoin.

    matt d (7b78f2)

  8. Jeff Sessions also issued a strong statement yesterday which ran as an op ed in USA Today.

    http://www.sessions.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/news-releases?ID=71b2a19a-d4f7-4fe3-ba48-81106e23baf0

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  9. fly them home first class?

    how about we strap them all to pallets in the back of AF cargo planes and LAPES them at their home field?

    might as well give them a good reason to stay the hell at home…

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  10. National Soros Radio offers the approved narrative today.

    A study by the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees found that 58 percent of the unaccompanied children are motivated by safety concerns, fearing conditions back home.

    Their home countries have been racked by gang violence, fueled by the drug trade. According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, “Salvadoran and Honduran children … come from extremely violent regions where they probably perceive the risk of traveling alone to the U.S. preferable to remaining at home.”

    There’s violence in Guatemala, too. Many Guatemalan children, however, come from poor rural areas and may be seeking economic opportunities. The same is true for children from poorer parts of El Salvador. For many, the prospect of reuniting with family members in the U.S. is also a powerful motivating force.

    Central American families may have been misled by rumors — often spread by profit-seeking smugglers — that their children will readily be reunited with relatives already in the U.S.

    They link the silly UN study from the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees – you can get it here

    It’s worth looking at it to see how facile and exploitative these UN whores can be:

    * They only talked to 302 urchins from central america, and they claim that this allows them to project the results across all the urchins…

    El Salvador (104): 69 boys 37 girls
    Guatemala (100): 79 boys 21 girls
    Honduras (98): 69 boys 29 girls
    Mexico (102): 98 boys 4 girls

    * While National Soros Radio reports the study’s finding that 58 percent of the illegal urchins are motivated by “safety concerns,” they fail to inform their audience that the urchins express a variety of reasons for why they illegally entered the United States… so it’s notable that National Soros Radio fails to report the study’s finding that, for example, for Guatemala:

    Eighty-four percent of the children shared hopes for family reunification, better opportunities for work or study, or helping their families as a reason for coming to the U.S.

    The corresponding figure for urchins from El Salvador is 80% and from Honduras it’s 80% as well.

    ***

    METHODOLOGY

    Questions asked to each child relating to reasons for leaving and harm experienced in the country of origin:

    Why did you want to leave your country?

    What was the most important reason?

    Were there any other reasons?

    What were they?

    Did anyone make you suffer at some point in your country or in your home?

    Did anyone hurt you at some point in your country or in your home?

    Were you in danger at some point in your country or in your home?

    Notice that the study asked the urchins about the “most important reason” they had for popping into America uninvited… but that they don’t report this data.

    Think about that for a second.

    There’s tons more wrong with this shoddy study but this comment is already finkelmanesque so maybe we can talk more about this later.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  11. Gee, happyfeet, do you think they helped craft the cheat sheets found at the border?

    Dana (4dbf62)

  12. There is so much lunacy coming out of DC, particularly related to illegal immigration, that each blog entry about it soon becomes one big blur. Too bad more of these posts can’t be somehow tied together, certainly regarding the message threads.

    Speaking of which, Patterico.com’s IT guy has yet to deal with the formatting glitch where certain blog postings, such as related to this thread, contain message boxes in which the right-hand side (at least in the Firefox browser) disappears into the gray panel.

    In general, and adding up everything from A to Z, it does seem like the wheels are coming off the car (certainly the clown car). Or, to use another metaphor, the dominoes keep falling, falling, falling, and we’re all stuck under them.

    Mark (cb6333)

  13. yes yes and that kind of speaks to another problem with this sketchy study

    “Nearly all” the central american urchins they talked to had already been referred to, in their words…

    the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), the agency within the Department of Health and Human Services to which unaccompanied and separated children apprehended by U.S. immigration authorities are referred for custody and care until the children can be released to the care of adults while such claims for status are pending or after lawful status to remain in the U.S. is granted.

    So this was a highly adulterated sample of urchins.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  14. Apprehended?

    Bwhahahah! They surrendered for goodness sake. They deliberately surrendered. They know they’ll just get a date to appear at a hearing, and then not show up. In the blog post from Michelle Malkin, it’s over 600 days for a hearing to take place. Total bu!!$h!t!

    Hadoop (f7d5ba)

  15. A First-Class ticket home, and a $10K check, and I bet they’d be received home with open arms – and we’d save money over what the Community Organizer in Chief wants to do.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  16. askeptic–

    You must really want floods of people coming in. $10K is more than a year’s income for a family. Dad’s reaction: “How many kids do we have to send north?”

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  17. OTOH, I’m pretty sure that you could empty out some of those ADULT camps with a offer of $500 cash and a free bus ride to the border. After a year or two there it probably gets old.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  18. Coburn doesn’t go far enough. He should be ranting about how the middle class scrimps and saves to afford income taxes of $10K, $20K and up, and Obama just BLOWS it to no good purpose.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  19. Kevin, the companion action would be to turn back every new entrant at the border, by all means possible. And, my dollar figure was just for arguments sake – plus I’m sure the coyotes would want some vig.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  20. My alternate position is to turn all of these ‘refugees’ over to the UNHCR with the stipulation that they have to be relocated to existing UNHCR camps, or Turtle Bay.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  21. Would Coburn have sent the Marielitos back? First class?

    dan (b4bbe4)

  22. Bill Clinton would.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  23. Castro cleaned out the prisons in Cuba of the dregs of society, only keeping the political prisoners.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  24. dan–Marielitos discussed here:

    http://ricochet.com/border-crisis-obamas-mariel-boatlift/

    I wouldn’t be bringing them up if I were you.

    elissa (b62c4b)

  25. Why? Would you have sent them back?

    dan (b4bbe4)

  26. there were some that were troublesome, but I know of many upstanding citizens who came through that venue,

    Does he strive to be that uninformed:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/hes-back-at-it%E2%9E%99-lindsey-graham-says-gop-needs-to-pony-up-emergency-funds-to-house-obamas-illegals/

    narciso (24b824)

  27. Repeat: 22!

    askeptic (efcf22)

  28. I’m guessing you’re not well versed on the Marielitos, dan. It started out sweet and well intentioned but it became a death trap for Cubans, a nightmare for LE, and a political catastrophe for Dems. As askeptic said, they got played by Castro. Kind of like Obama’s getting played.

    elissa (b62c4b)

  29. I get all that. But would you have sent them all back?

    dan (b4bbe4)

  30. Would imdw be here if his mother’s employer provided free ella?

    nk (dbc370)

  31. If you “get all that”, dan, then you would not keep asking that same exact question and askeptic would not keep answering it. Maybe if you reformulated your simplistic question to demonstrate some knowledge of the history of the Marielitos, added some additional insight, or showed some nuance someone would deign to play with you. Narciso is correct that there were some fine upstanding Cubans who arrived in their rickety boats and made their home in America. But Castro clearing out the mental institutions and prisons was not a plus for our country as Bill Clinton found out.

    elissa (b62c4b)

  32. This is the key question right? So just send some of them back then? After taking the time and resources to have a process to determine which ones?

    dan (b4bbe4)

  33. BTW, where does one sign up for an “ethics waiver”? Is that like a “Get out of jail, free” card?

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  34. Would Coburn have sent the Marielitos back?

    It would have taken someone with cojones, but we had Jimmy Carter.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  35. There is much that can be done. Emergency legislation can amend the 2000 law signed by Clinton, amended unanimously in 2008 and signed by Bush, to clarify it doesn’t apply to children brought here for reasons other than exploitation.

    Even Reid would have to allow a vote, or write off Landrieu and Pryor and probably Udall, whose seats are too close to the action.

    As Krauthammer observed, once the first planes and buses loaded with children whose parents paid coyotes up to $7000 a head to ferry them to the USA start bringing them home, the waves will subside quickly.

    It should be noted that the majority of Obama’s $3.7 billion emergency request is for HHS, which has no border role at all, so that is for placement and medical care, nothing to do with stopping new invasions or sending anyone home.

    Estragon (ada867)

  36. it doesn’t apply to children brought here for reasons other than exploitation.

    But you need a hearing to determine that, and then they are entitled to a lawyer, and then you have to find them when the 99.7% who are here for other reasons don’t show up.

    No, you just need to suspend the law for now and send them all back. We are not God, and we need to stop trying to be Him.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  37. 3. Hadoop (379e8e) — 7/9/2014 @ 10:30 am

    And the $3.7 billion dollars will do absolutely nothing to prevent another child from surrendering to the Boarder Patrol. Neither will the senate immigration bill.

    Is “Boarder Patrol” a deliberate pun, or an accident?

    Yes, yes, of course this is all true.

    Sammy Finkelman (cd2969)


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