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7/3/2014

July 4th: When Jesse Ventura And Jack Lemon Signed The Declaration Of Independence

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:20 pm

[guest post by Dana]

This either speaks to the failure of American education, or some Americans are just that dumb. Either way, there is simply not enough beer and fireworks to erase this dismal display of Independence Day ignorance.

–Dana

35 Responses to “July 4th: When Jesse Ventura And Jack Lemon Signed The Declaration Of Independence”

  1. it’s all about nutritious school lunches baby

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  2. America’s got talent.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. Everyone in Amerikkka has hair needing a wash, or boots that need polish.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/03/is-obamas-go-it-alone-strategy-telling-democrats-to-stay-home-in-november/

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  4. Some time ago, when my little sister was still a teenager, and living with me, some guy came to the door to pick her up for a date. His jacket was festooned with emblems, one of which was a swastika. I basically said my sister wasn’t going out with someone wearing one of those, and shut the door.

    He came back a little while later, without the swastika, and apologized, saying that he had no idea that it was a Communist symbol.

    I said, “OK, then” and wrote off the whole generation.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  5. My name is approved in Iceland, I have my choice of four different spellings and one variant, and I already use my patronymic. It’s not colder than Chicago and the days are twenty hours long now although that’s how long the nights will be at Christmas.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. Nice to see Obama voters enjoying the sun.

    Mike K (b5c01a)

  7. Forget a poll tax, we need a poll quiz. Basic American history, current events, civics… Pass and you get to vote. Fail and the rest of us are rewarded by not spending one of our votes on cancelling yours.

    NeoCon_1 (e801b2)

  8. To register to vote, you should have to pass the Citizenship Test given to those wishing to become an American Citizen.
    How could that even be discriminatory?

    askeptic (efcf22)

  9. Why’s that guy saying “1976″??

    Blacque Jacques Shellacque (51809b)

  10. Here’s my poll test: Who is the President of the United States?

    Pretty sure there are those who would fail. A few years back they asked Britons who the Prime Minister was and 10% got it wrong.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  11. I will be spending my 4th of july along with many others escorting buses full of children thru murietta california as we welcome our newest young americans to this country. The n.r.a. gun nuts say they will stop the buses again so we will see what happens. Happy independence day! As col parker said at lexington “If they mean to have war let it begin here!”

    vota (8e4adf)

  12. The phrase “useful idiot” comes to mind.

    Vota: I may not like that the Obama administration is using innocent children as pawns to further his agenda, but I will fight like hell for his right to do so!

    felipe (960c75)

  13. The Left has been in charge of public school education for a couple of generations now. This level of patriotism and and American History knowledge is what they have wanted. It is easier to rule over idiots rather than independent thinkers.

    Roman (3165c1)

  14. 11.I will be spending my 4th of july along with many others escorting buses full of children thru murietta california as we welcome our newest young americans to this country. The n.r.a. gun nuts say they will stop the buses again so we will see what happens. Happy independence day!

    So you’re aiding and abetting illegal acts. Trying to kill America. What a lousy patriot you are. BTW, when our children, your children get disease’s from these “newest young americans” are you responsible? Yes, you are you scum ball. Just so you know, our Newest Young Americans are born every day in hospitals all across the fruited plain. We don’t need other country’s kids, we have our own (when leftist ass holes aren’t aborting them ).

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  15. It is easier to rule over idiots rather than independent thinkers.

    You got that right, Roman. Just read vota. What a douche.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  16. It isn’t a “failure” of American educators that younger people don’t know why we celebrate the 4th of July. They did it on purpose.

    SGT Ted (eed28b)

  17. vota is Perry, well into his seventies if not eighties, and living in Delaware. He will spend Fourth of July complaining about the strained spinach at the nursing home.

    nk (dbc370)

  18. 10. Kevin M (b357ee) — 7/4/2014 @ 1:25 am

    Here’s my poll test: Who is the President of the United States?

    Pretty sure there are those who would fail.

    That’s the question that they ask of people who have suffered a stroke.

    They probably wouldn’t fail, because it gets mentioned too much.

    It’s historical questions that people don’t know.

    I just read today that the Common core includes only English and math. That’s probably teh eway it should be, because otherwise you get into politics. But that is clearly not the only thinbg(s) that should be taught.

    Sammy Finkelman (688d8d)

  19. Irony? That’s when vota quotes one of the defenders at Lexington to justify his support for oppressive government action. Send vota back in time to 1775, and he would be right there with the redcoats marching to Lexington to disarm those racist teabagging Americans.

    Russ from Winterset (830aac)

  20. 16.It isn’t a “failure” of American educators that younger people don’t know why we celebrate the 4th of July.

    I don’t know what anybody else celebrates SGT Ted, but I celebrate Independence Day. Everybody has a 4th of July, but only Americans celebrate our Independence Day. For example: an anti American traitor would be bringing in aliens today. Any real American would be sending them back!

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  21. 20. Do you realize that one of the complaints against George III was he was attempting to keep the population down?

    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

    They used to think that more people made a country richer.

    Sammy Finkelman (688d8d)

  22. They used to think that more people made a country richer.

    The used to believe the earth was flat, so what? They used to believe a lot of things we no know are not so. BTW, no one here is “obstructing the Laws of Naturalization”. An illegal horde of unneeded and unwanted, diseased, uneducated invaders is not what America needs, nor is it Naturalization. And by most people I’ve spoken to, wants. However, Sammy Finkelman, if you are so disposed you have my permission to bring anyone into your own home at your on expense. But you nor anyone else in government or outside has a right to obligate me to support illegals from anywhere, at any time.

    Frankly, it should be harder to enter the United States than it is to exit North Korea.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  23. SF: They used to think that more people made a country richer.

    Hoagie (4dfb34) — 7/4/2014 @ 8:17 am

    They used to believe the earth was flat, so what? They used to believe a lot of things we no know are not so.

    We know it is not so?? When did we learn this, and how?

    I’d like to know the name of that defunct economist who came up with this idea, most likely sometime around the 1870s or 1880s.

    Would then the United States have beeb much better off if it hadn’t been populated so much in the 19th century?

    Or do say maybe things have changed?

    How, and when, and is theer some less drastic remedy possible?

    The fact of the matter is like this: If a policy is possible, it’s been followed somewhere>>

    So what are your bad examples?

    The only bad examples I can see anywhere are demographic and sociological, not economic, and they apply much stronger to migration within a country.

    Sammy Finkelman (cd2969)

  24. Frankly, it should be harder to enter the United States than it is to exit North Korea.

    Land mines and machine guns at the border?

    Sammy Finkelman (cd2969)

  25. If that’s what it takes, then regrettably, yes.

    ropelight (a2a900)

  26. “They used to think that more people made a country richer.”

    That is still true of immigrants who can read English (or any language) and who come here legally. I spent ten years reviewing workers comp claims. About 1/3 are Spanish speaking and about half of those are probably illegal. Most of the latter group claim a “second grade education in Mexico” and are illiterate in Spanish, as well as English.

    What is amusing to me is the unwavering support by blacks of Democrats who are importing their replacements in low wage jobs.

    Mike K (b5c01a)

  27. Most of the latter group claim a “second grade education in Mexico” and are illiterate in Spanish, as well as English.

    But statistics do show that at least their children (or the generation, and generations, born in the US) perform quite well academically and truly enhance the upward mobility of the US economy and culture.

    [Insert sound of vinyl record being scratched here.]

    Mark (cb6333)

  28. Forget a poll tax, we need a poll quiz. Basic American history, current events, civics… Pass and you get to vote. Fail and the rest of us are rewarded by not spending one of our votes on cancelling yours.

    What could “poll quiz” possibly mean? Speaking of ignorance, please tell me you don’t think a “poll tax” means a tax on voting. I’m with you on making the right to vote contingent on a test of literacy and competence, and one question on that test should be “what is a poll tax”; anyone who doesn’t know that it’s a flat dollar amount to be paid by everyone, and has nothing to do with voting, shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

    I can’t stand it when people misuse the language in such a blatant way. Or when people claim that poll taxes are now illegal. They’re not. There’s absolutely no reason why a state, or Congress, could not introduce a poll tax.

    This ignorance goes so far that a copy of the constitution I consulted has the 24th amendment under the heading “Poll Taxes Barred”, even though the text of the amendment not only says no such thing, but in fact explicitly contemplates their continued existence.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  29. Seriously, though, Congress made a major mistake when it banned literacy tests. It should instead have ensured that they were administered fairly and rigorously.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  30. Here’s my poll test: Who is the President of the United States?

    Pretty sure there are those who would fail.

    That’s the question that they ask of people who have suffered a stroke.

    They probably wouldn’t fail, because it gets mentioned too much.

    So what? There would be many who fail. Look at this video, and how many people couldn’t answer questions even when he had just fed them the answer! Long ago I proposed a bare minimum test for voting: before being given a ballot for any office, the voter should be able correctly name at least one candidate for that office; I bet a lot of people would fail that.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  31. 28. Milhouse (b95258) — 7/4/2014 @ 12:41 pm

    This ignorance goes so far that a copy of the constitution I consulted has the 24th amendment under the heading “Poll Taxes Barred”, even though the text of the amendment not only says no such thing, but in fact explicitly contemplates their continued existence.

    What do you mean?

    It says citizens of the United States cannot be denied the right to vote in a porimary or other election for president or vce oresident of the United States, electors for president, or Senatgors or Representatives in Congress on account of failure to pay a poll tax or any other tax.

    You mean, you could still have a poll tax for state and local elections?

    Sammy Finkelman (cd2969)

  32. Sammy, it means exactly what it says. Poll taxes are completely legal. It explicitly says you cna have a poll tax. It’s just as legitimate as any other tax. You just can’t make voting depend on paying it. If poll taxes couldn’t exist in the first place, then how could anything — voting, drinking, or playing badminton — be made to depend on paying it? Anyone who can read this amendment and claim that it bans poll taxes is incapable of reading and comprehending simple English sentences, and should not be allowed to vote, because they can’t possibly be informed enough to cast a meaningful vote.

    The problem seems to be that a lot of stupid, illiterate, ignoramuses have this idea fixed in their heads that a poll tax means a tax on voting. It doesn’t.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  33. If I say you may not make dessert contingent on eating ones broccoli, have I banned you from putting broccoli on the plate, or from punishing those who don’t eat it?! Of course not.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  34. Most agree that the Declaration of Independence was signed on August 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_of_the_United_States_Declaration_of_Independence

    Brent (68f103)

  35. 32. Milhouse (b95258) — 7/5/2014 @ 10:46 pm

    Sammy, it means exactly what it says. Poll taxes are completely legal. It explicitly says you cn a have a poll tax. It’s just as legitimate as any other tax. You just can’t make voting depend on paying it… The problem seems to be that a lot of stupid, illiterate, ignoramuses have this idea fixed in their heads that a poll tax means a tax on voting. It doesn’t

    That is what a poll tax is, at least in the vernacular. I can see that the 24th amendment applies only to casing a vote in a federal election, and other things, even things not connected with voting could be made contingent on it. And also you couldn’t make voting contingent on paying an income tax or property tax either.

    While this was making the rounds of the states, the Supreme Court I think outlawed poll taxes (as a condition for voting) based on the 14th amendment. I’d have to look it up.

    Sammy Finkelman (cd2969)


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