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7/1/2014

The Power Of The Protesters – For Now

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:09 pm

[guest post by Dana]

This afternoon, three buses filled with approximately 140 illegal detainees from Central America were turned back due to several hundred protesters blocking the road in the city of Murrieta.

Waving Americans flags and protest signs, the crowd refused to give way when the buses arrived with some 140 detainees from Texas, which has seen a flood of Central American immigrants cross the border in recent weeks without legal permission.

A small number of Murrieta police officers stood between the protesters and the buses but could not keep the crowd from blocking the buses’ path.

The face-off came one day after Mayor Alan Long urged residents to protest the federal government’s decision to move the recent immigrants who arrived in the country illegally — and have overwhelmed Texas border facilities — to the Border Patrol station in his city.

“Murrieta expects our government to enforce our laws, including the deportation of illegal immigrants caught crossing our borders, not disperse them into our local communities,” Long said Monday at a news conference. The city had defeated two previous attempts to send migrants to the facility, he said.

A local Los Angeles radio station is reporting that callers followed the three buses on the freeway heading south from Murrieta, presumably back to San Diego.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) released an update on the situation this afternoon:

“Once DHS personnel in Murrieta finish processing the migrants, those who are being released will be transported by LA [Enforcement and Removal Operations] to a ‘transition center’ in Riverside County that is being set up by a faith-based organization,” ICE Spokeswoman Virginia Kice said in an email.

According to Kice, ICE will not be immediately releasing the name of that organization, nor the specific city, where the people will be taken for the transition center.

“At the transition center, the organization’s volunteers will assist migrants with obtaining commercial transportation to their final destinations and help them contact family members and relatives,” she said, adding that the cost of those transfers will not be paid for by the government, but rather by the migrants or the faith-based organization and consular representatives.

Kice said that “in most instances,” the final destinations of the migrants will be outside Southern California. In the meantime, though, the unnamed group helping them out will also get them set up with food, clothing and any other essentials.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said Monday the migrants are mostly “adults with children” and were among tens of thousands of citizens of Central American countries who have poured into the United States via Texas this year.

Also, Democrats are once again likening President Obama to Jesus with the power to heal illegal immigrants. From Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D):

If [Republicans] want to come back and discuss [reform], fine,” said the Chicago Democrat. “But in the interim period, I believe the president of the United States has already in statute, in the law, the ability to heal and put in a safe harbor millions of undocumented immigrants while the Congress of the United States finally decides it’s going to take action.”

Lightworker.

–Dana

UPDATE: I just heard Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone (Murrieta is a city within Riverside County) interviewed on the radio. He stated that due to the number of diseases that could possibly be spread as the detainees arrived in Murrieta, he offered to provide county mobile medical buses to be parked at the border station and medical personnel assess the detainees as they arrived. He was told no by ICE. They informed him that they could not allow mobile medical units to park on federal property. They also informed him that a request to FEMA for medical vans would be made. Supervisor Stone is very concerned, along with citizens of the city and elsewhere, about the spread of diseases and the potential for outbreaks, or worse.

85 Responses to “The Power Of The Protesters – For Now”

  1. If [Republicans] want to come back and discuss [reform], fine,” said the Chicago Democrat. “But in the interim period, I believe the president of the United States has already in statute, in the law, the ability to heal and put in a safe harbor millions of undocumented immigrants while the Congress of the United States finally decides it’s going to take action.”

    OMG, I’m going to barff!

    Oh, wait. No “they are so racist in Murrieta” media coverage?

    felipe (960c75)

  2. a ‘transition center’ in Riverside County that is being set up by a faith-based organization,” ICE Spokeswoman Virginia Kice said in an email.

    According to Kice, ICE will not be immediately releasing the name of that organization

    the identities of the collaborators are bound to slip out eventually, no?

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  3. Ah, my plan is working. Well Done!

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  4. Hey, why don’t they use Wrigley Field, the Cubs certainly don’t need it.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  5. Not to brag, but I called it.

    Ok, that was a brag.

    JVW (feb406)

  6. If no amnesty for the children then no amnesty for republicans either! We can put so many pro immigration demonstrators in the streets hundreds of thousands that this punk mayor will wish is mouth hadn’t wrote a check his ass can’t back up!

    vota (fc4be9)

  7. I’ve updated the post with comments by Supervisor Stone and concerns about the spread of diseases that may result without medical assessments.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  8. what say we start with no amnesty for head lice Mr. vota

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  9. The audacity and blatant lawlessness of the president in allowing in and then redistributing these additional “migrants” who are “pouring in from Central American Countries” from state to state ever farther from the border they where they crossed, is simply mind boggling. I suppose the vague weasel words “the final destinations of the migrants will be outside Southern California” could be interpreted that they’ll be sent back to their home country. Perhaps that’s what the government hopes Americans will assume and then promptly forget about it. But you know, I’m a cynic and I really doubt that’s Obama’s plan. More likely the “faith based organizations” in select so called sanctuary cities will take in and then barricade in the “migrants” within their facilities and protect them LE and from ICE agents.
    Dana, thank you so much for keeping us updated on this rapidly evolving situation. The media is giving some coverage to the chaos at the border but not nearly enough. Do you think this will inflame enough Californians to possibly make a difference in their understanding of what is being done to our country? I should think that even those citizens who have been somewhat ambivalent about amnesty for those already in the country for years; i.e., those illegals who are established in communities along with with their anchor babies and “dreamers”, might see importing more brand new ones as problematic?.

    elissa (1f8a0a)

  10. Perry #6,

    Once again, it looks like you have taken an unauthorized leave from the Delaware Home for the Aged. Where are you online—at the local Starbucks ?
    Now, Perry, you know what the doctor said happens when you fail to take your meds on a consistent basis.
    The doctor knows what’s best for you Perry. If you leave the premises again without permission, they may revoke your shuffleboard privileges.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  11. That update reminds me of a scene in “The hunt for Red October” where the U.S. offers to help the Russians find their missing sub and the Russian Ambassador declines the offer. Right, it all about parking on Federal land.

    felipe (960c75)

  12. How many of them do you have room for, and personal resources to take in at your place, voda?

    elissa (1f8a0a)

  13. Can Cliven Bundy’s cattle get amnesty ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  14. Does anyone here think the preezy might really and truly have overstepped his overstep this time? I am starting to wonder.

    elissa (1f8a0a)

  15. And the workers in the camps are already being threatened if they speak out.
    http://therightscoop.com/whistleblowers-risk-arrest-to-tell-the-truth-about-the-disease-illegals-are-bringing-over-the-border/

    Gazzer (ee7136)

  16. Keep your powder dry.

    Gazzer (ee7136)

  17. @ elissa,

    Do you think this will inflame enough Californians to possibly make a difference in their understanding of what is being done to our country?

    No. I think those that see the problem for what it is are already doing their part to stem the tide.

    Those that support this, have the numbers due to the substantial number of illegals already in settled in our state. The unions are also supporters of them remaining in state. And the elite left, Los Angeles and S.F. region will be all Nancy Pelosi I-just-want-to-take-them-all-home-with-me, but here’s the thing: they won’t. And not only will they do no such thing, they will tell the rest of us that we are horrible people for not wanting them released in our state (or any state), and they will smugly judge us while they live insulated in exclusive, gated, wealthy areas where illegal immigrants are not part of the everyday fabric – other than to clean their houses and mow their acreage. And Sacramento is equally insulated from the every day impact.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  18. Also, the tax burden, social services, schools, etc. that will be burdened by this will also not impact the wealthy left as they do not need to rely on public services and will be able to afford any financial burden that occurs.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  19. elissa,

    We’re talking about a man who not only can reduce the rise of the oceans, but he can walk on them, too. So for you to posit that he’s possibly “overstepped” is an overreach on your part.

    Didn’t you see when those women fainted at his campaign pep rallies ?
    He would just say something like, “Give ‘er room. She probably just needs some water. She’ll be alright. Here come the paramedics.”

    He already knew that they’d be alright—probably because it was all scripted, and the women were just pretending to faint.
    He’s omniscient.
    I’m surprised that as a ChicagoLand Gal, it’s 2014 and you still don’t get The Oneness of The One.
    Or whatever.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  20. Elephant, I’ve seen his recent poll numbers. A whole lotta people out there don’t seem to be swooning over him and his exceptional mind numbing wonderfulness anymore. I’m thinking this “migrant” thing may knock the numbers down a few more points. Ah well, a girl can dream.

    elissa (1f8a0a)

  21. Dana, we need you to get out there with your video camera and polish up your interview skills and report like Ann Althouse and Meade did during the takeover if the WI State Capitol. That was blog-awesome stuff.

    elissa (1f8a0a)

  22. If no amnesty for the children then no amnesty for republicans either! We can put so many pro immigration demonstrators in the streets hundreds of thousands that this punk mayor will wish is mouth hadn’t wrote a check his ass can’t back up!

    Because pro-immigration rallies really help sway the undecided over to your side, don’t they Perry? Make sure everyone waves the flag of their home country and blocks city streets, freeway onramps, and public spaces, and maybe have a riot break out at the end when participants refuse to peacefully disperse, and why, the whole nation will rally behind our President to insist that they all become immediate citizens!

    JVW (feb406)

  23. Well, Perry has said previously that if the Socialist agendas he supports get blocked, there will be violent riots in the streets. He does know the sort of criminal behavior his side frolics in.

    John Hitchcock (8bea9d)

  24. The only consolation about this is that most of the people who voted for Obama will end up being slaves. Almost makes it worth while. I will no longer fight for those who cast aside a country so easily.

    Jack (a742cc)

  25. If gov. brown wants to get re-elected he should remember who got him elected in 2010 hispanic voters, other minorities and liberals! He should lead an army of democrats to protect these children on the buses from tea bagger vermin and if they pull a bundy ranch no quarter! shot for resisting arrest.

    vota (fc4be9)

  26. Ah, the gentle, humane, side of vota.

    felipe (960c75)

  27. of diseases

    Diseases!

    Why should they specially have diseases?

    What kind of contagious diseases are widespread now anyway?

    If there are so many diseases in Central America, then why aren’t people afraid of traveling there

    What lies!!!

    Where is there the slightest evidence of any kind of contagious disease?

    Sammy Finkelman (95e288)

  28. the filthy urchins have scabies and head lice and tuberculosis and strep and just wait til flu season

    it’s so gross

    you can tell they have diseases cause the first thing people say when they go see them is my god the stench is unbearable

    god bless america

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  29. I already linked it in comment 15 if you only had the common courtesy to read them.

    Gazzer (ee7136)

  30. once the mrsa hits and you have a smorgasbord of pus and blood and amputated limbs

    it’s going to be ghastly

    there’s not enough purell in the whole world Mr. Sammy

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  31. Scabies is what killed Herod Agrippa.

    nk (dbc370)

  32. he must’ve scratched

    they warn you about that

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  33. no se rasque, urchinos!

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  34. Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone: “We’re just trying to get these people the health care they need. Many of them have diseases that we here in the United States take for granted, because we immunize our citizens. So we’re just trying to help these people. But the Department of Homeland Security won’t let us give these people the health care they need. I don’t understand it, frankly. I thought Democrats were for health care.”

    someguy (84ecc5)

  35. Gov. Brown could lead thousands of liberal democrats to escort those children in the buses down that road if he wants our vote. And if the tea bagger nra scum pull a bundy ranch the gun nuts are finished!

    vota (fc4be9)

  36. Uh-oh, Perry’s having one of his excitable fits again. Pretty soon he’s going to start bellowing out the Pete Seeger songs.

    JVW (feb406)

  37. Cool. send us a picture of you and moonbeam escorting the bus, voda

    elissa (1f8a0a)

  38. i guess we could fumigate the buses afterwards

    they have these big tents they use for termites

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  39. Sammy Finkelman @ 27,

    My apologies for not providing the transcript of the interview. I listened to the interview while in the car and came home and posted what I recalled. I have been looking for a transcript of the interview for accuracy, but still can’t see it posted on KFI’s website.

    There was another person in the car with me and we both remembered Stone mentioning diseases that m, which I assume to be contagious.

    From this report coming out of McClellan, TX a few weeks ago, I would assume he is referring to something similar:

    There’s a growing health concern with hundreds of illegal immigrants crossing over into southern Texas.

    U.S. Border Patrol agents are worried that what’s coming over into the U.S. could harm everyone.

    This time the focus is not on the women and children that are crossing over in droves.

    Agents are worrying about a viral outbreak.

    “We are sending people everywhere. The average person doesn’t know what’s going on down here,” said Border Patrol agent and Rio Grande Valley Union representative Chris Cabrera.

    Cabrera says agents are seeing illegal immigrants come over with contagious infections.

    Detention centers and holding facilities have quarantined areas for those who come in sick. But Cabrera says the sick and healthy are separated only by caution tape.

    “There’s been an outbreak of scabies that’s been going on for the past month,” Cabrera said.

    Texas border resident Jorge Garcia says word about the contagious skin infection is getting around.

    “Our Border Patrol agents check on us all the time and they told us about the outbreak of scabies,” Garcia said.

    Cabrera says the sickness doesn’t stop at scabies.

    “We are starting to see chicken pox, MRSA staph infections, we are starting to see different viruses,” Cabrera said.

    Garcia believes the viruses are not confined to the detention center. Not long ago, a group of border-crossers came knocking on his door.

    “It was a 7-month-old baby. It was shaking, it had a fever,” Garcia said.

    The Department of Homeland Security called in Coast Guard medics to help treat those who are sick. But Cabrera doesn’t believe the federal government is doing enough. He says other Border Patrol agents have contracted scabies and he fears it will spread quickly.

    “It’s contagious, we are transporting people to different parts of the state and different parts of the country,” Cabrera said.

    “Just the fact we are exposed to it, and so is everyone here in south Texas, it’s a great concern to us,” Garcia said.

    It’s unclear how many were treated for illness.

    DHS has denied all requests for interviews with doctors and medical staff treating sick immigrants. The agency has also turned down our request for a tour.

    This is a statement by HHS: DHS has public health controls in place to minimize any possible health risks. Throughout the RGV Sector we are conducting public health screens on all incoming detainees to screen for any symptoms of contagious diseases of possible public health concern. U.S. Border Patrol has established Medical Units at its busiest border stations (McAllen, Weslaco, and Ft Brown) handling UAC states.

    The stations mentioned are in TX, not California. Is this enough? I have no idea. But I prefer officials err on the side of caution.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  40. someguy @ 34,

    Is that from a transcript of the interview with Supervisor Stone today? Do you have a link?

    Dana (4dbf62)

  41. Oh good grief: McAllen *not* McClellan!

    Dana (4dbf62)

  42. But I prefer officials err on the side of caution.

    The sick and healthy are separated only by caution tape.

    America lol

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  43. Drudge headline right now has a rather scary take on the disease situation–and the secrecy–and the threatening security in “the camp”.

    elissa (1f8a0a)

  44. And there is this, Sammy Finkleman,

    Two cases of the H1N1 virus have been confirmed among immigrants caught in the Rio Grande Valley.

    Vice President of the National Border Patrol Council #3307 Chris Cabrera confirmed the cases late Saturday morning.

    Cabera told Action 4 News that one case was confirmed at the Brownsville Border Patrol Station and another at the Fort Brown Border Patrol station, also located in Brownsville.

    Cabera said both cases involve juveniles and both were confirmed on Friday by medical personnel located at both facilities.

    He added that an estimated 120 people are being isolated at the two stations because they were exposed to the juveniles.

    Medical teams are stationed inside the detention centers to screen for lice, scabies and chicken pox but not everyone gets medical clearance.

    “If someone is released and they are symptomatic, it could spread rapidly” said Caberera.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  45. And it gets worse:

    A government-contracted security force threatened to arrest doctors and nurses if they divulged any information about the contagion threat at a refugee camp housing illegal alien children at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, sources say.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  46. Even early 20th century Ellis Island did a better job of inspecting, registering, diagnosing and isolating immigrants when necessary — and turning away those who could contaminate or spread diseases that could put existing citizens at risk.

    elissa (1f8a0a)

  47. There is no Democrat, especially a Chicago Democrat, that is not looking for a political endgame. What are they trying to do with this new crisis? Is it a Cloward-Piven strategy? I don’t know.

    However, I do know this, my local media are all in for the government and the President. No one seems interested into how so many children suddenly appeared on the border.

    Local agencies are doing what they always do to help people. That is to be expected and media have certainly reported on the goodwill of all Americans.

    No one seems too interested on how the problem began. And no one seems too interested in how it will be resolved in the long run.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  48. food stamp requested just two billion dollars to spend on the filthy urchins

    that’s a nice little pot of money to sprinkle on favored constituencies

    but the endgame is that with the focus on the diseased filthurchins

    everyone forgets about the hordes of illegals already here

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  49. This feckless Administration keeps poking the hornet’s nest, stirring the pot of class warfare, racial resentment, and “economic inequality”. And at each new manufactured outrage, it almost seems they’re HOPING that *this* one will finally spark a violent pushback.

    They’re shoving their lawlessness and arrogance in our faces as insistently and shamelessly as a cat in heat shoves her backside at a tomcat.

    I’m VERY glad the citizenry has been PEACEFULLY resisting, because I do NOT want to see whatever-it-is-they’re-trying-to-engineer come to fruition. (It feels to me like they’re working on a timeline of “gotta blow it up before the elections”, but that’s probably just the paranoia talking.)

    But I worry that somebody, somewhere *IS* going to decide that “enough is enough” — which would be quite understandable, given that nobody in the MSM or the alleged “Opposition Party” has shown any concern about OBummer-&-Company’s repeated violations of the letter and spirit of our laws.

    We may have a long, hot summer this year.

    A_Nonny_Mouse (8c996d)

  50. Gov. Brown could lead thousands of liberal democrats to escort those children in the buses down that road if he wants our vote. And if the tea bagger nra scum pull a bundy ranch the gun nuts are finished!

    vota (fc4be9) — 7/1/2014 @ 8:29 pm

    Quite a picture in the mind’s eye, perry… whole lotta mincin’ goin’ on…

    Colonel Haiku (b198f5)

  51. I don’t know for sure what the endgame in this for Obama is. But the “humanitarian crisis” was planned in advance, is fully orchestrated, is being directed from the very top of the U.S. government, and the migrant children are pawns.

    elissa (1f8a0a)

  52. Well we had to do something to get you to forget Bowe Bergdahl/

    Gazzer (ee7136)

  53. happyfeet,

    “filthy urchins”? They are children, they have traveled thousands of miles from their to home to a foreign country, and many without their parents. They are caught up in this horrible situation because of the irresponsibility of adults. They have no control over the situation, nor the outcome. It would be a terrible thing for an adult to face, but for a child, it must be mind-boggling. There are some as young as four years old, for god sake.

    No matter our laws, our fears and concerns regarding the detainees being released, I am overwhelmed by the awfulness of their predicament. It would take a heartless soul to not see the agony of their plight. Had our officials attended to the border as they are charged to do, these poor kids would not be in this situation.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  54. Dana i are not smellin what you’re sellin

    the “humanitarian crisis” was planned in advance, is fully orchestrated, and is being directed from the very top of the U.S. government

    these filthurchins were recruited by and for the purposes of the american government

    and they have no claim on my sympathies

    none of this is being done in my name you see

    none of it

    it’s like reading of events in a benighted, socialist and surpassingly foreign third world country

    poor bastards, you think, and then you realize you don’t actually give a crap

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  55. No Icy around, so… RIP, Paul Mazursky.

    Colonel Haiku (b198f5)

  56. if Madonna wants to do a benefit concert at the Hollywood Bowl I might could buy a ticket

    but i ain’t buying the t-shirt

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  57. these filthurchins were recruited by and for the purposes of the american government

    Yes. But did a four or six or 12 year old make this decision or did a parent or guardian or other adult make the decision to endanger their lives and use them as pawns? My point is, they are victims in this quagmire. They did not make this decision that will have a devastating impact on their lives – and already has.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  58. the point food stamp, vajajay, pelosi and their media crew are making, Dana

    is that the situation the filthurchins were in at home was so very very very very untenable

    what with the homicides and utter lack of food stamps in their home countries

    that the squalid diseased death camps we as Americans are herding them into

    are paradise by comparison

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  59. Gov. Brown could lead thousands of liberal democrats to escort those children in the buses down that road if he wants our vote. And if the tea bagger nra scum pull a bundy ranch the gun nuts are finished!

    vota (fc4be9) — 7/1/2014 @ 8:29 pm

    Gov. Brown should do as you suggest if he is indeed sincere in his beliefs. However, the “tea bagger nra scum gun nuts” might not follow your agenda no matter how much you wish.

    Why do you hate Americans? And why do you want poor people from Central America to suffer some sort of imaginary fate that would result in their harm?

    Why, exactly, are you a racist? Why do you think another human depends on you for his or her well-being? People from other countries are not pets, you ignorant git. Do you believe your racist views because you live in America or just because you are stupid? I have news for you. People in other countries get along fine without your ignorant, liberal, racist American guilt. Why, exactly, do you consider the people we are discussing need your privileged, half-assed opinion?

    Because you’re smart? Because you care? You don’t give two shits about these people. If you did, you would be on the border today helping these people. Kind of the those racist Southern Baptist Disaster Relief the Red Cross or the Texas Highway Patrol and hundreds of others.

    You only believe in some sort of twisted philosophy that counts votes to prove your opinions are correct. In your mind, people, real people, are nothing but a commodity to advance an agenda. You hate everyone who really helps when things are bad because all you have is a forum to insult people who disagree with your politics and no game in making a difference to people who suffer from your old, tired ideas.

    Thanks for playing, though.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  60. Heh. I got moderated.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  61. What lies!!!
    Where is there the slightest evidence of any kind of contagious disease?
    Sammy Finkelman (95e288) — 7/1/2014 @ 8:03 pm

    If you were anyone else, Sammy, I’d swear your post was dripping with pure sarcasm. But from your mouth to God’s ear, I understand that Obama isn’t innately a leftist and that commentator Pat Buchanan loves blood and violence.

    As a tribute to your sarcasm (or “sarcasm”), I post the following, currently linked at the drudgereport.com:

    foxnews.com, Todd Starnes, July 2: A government-contracted security force threatened to arrest doctors and nurses if they divulged any information about the contagion threat at a refugee camp housing illegal alien children at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, sources say.

    In spite of the threat, several former camp workers broke their confidentiality agreements and shared exclusive details with me about the dangerous conditions at the camp. They said taxpayers deserve to know about the contagious diseases and the risks the children pose to Americans.

    The sources say security forces called themselves the “Brown Shirts.” “It was a very submissive atmosphere,” the counselor said…. She said the workers were stripped of their cellphones and other communication devices. Anyone caught with a phone was immediately fired. “Everyone was paranoid,” she said. “The children had more rights than the workers.”

    She said children in the camp had measles, scabies, chicken pox and strep throat as well as mental and emotional issues. “It was not a good atmosphere in terms of health,” she said. “I would be talking to children and lice would just be climbing down their hair.”

    A former nurse at the camp told me she was horrified by what she saw. “We have so many kids coming in that there was no way to control all of the sickness – all this stuff coming into the country,” she said. “We were very concerned at one point about strep going around the base.”

    The nurse said the lice issue was epidemic – but everything was kept “hush-hush.” “You could see the bugs crawling through their hair,” she said. “After we would rinse out their hair, the sink would be loaded with black bugs.”

    The nurse told me she became especially alarmed because their files indicated the children had been transported to Lackland on domestic charter buses and airplanes. “That’s what alerted me,” she said. “Oh, my God. They’re flying these kids around. Nobody knows that these children have scabies and lice. To tell you the truth, there’s no way to control it.”

    “They’re going to crush the system,” the nurse told me. “We can’t sustain this. They are overwhelming the system and I think it’s a travesty.”

    ^ In the meantime, the guy now in the White House will happily jet off to Hawaii, or Florida, or Palm Springs, etc, to play another round of golf, and bleed his heart and shed tears the way that Marie Antoinette did. Leftists like him make a big mess — create huge piles of crap — and we’re stuck having to clean up after them.

    BTW, I was thinking of the “kinder and gentler” phrase coined by speech writer Peggy Noonan for George Bush Sr following the Reagan years, presumably a reaction by a squish-squish Republican (ie, Noonan) that the sensible, long overdue conservatism of the early 1980s was somehow not all that gentle or all that kind. But it suddenly occurs to me that the epitome of liberalism — which is never viewed by many people as lacking kindness—albeit snubbed for its stupidity, but never for its paucity of compassion) — is the city of Detroit. Yea, that part of the Midwest is so gentle, so kind, so full of benevolence, generosity and humaneness.

    Mark (9771dc)

  62. If Deval Patrick were still in the fedgov, he’d try to prosecute the protesters.

    (As far as I know, to this day he has never acknowledged that he did wrong.)

    Milhouse (b95258)

  63. perry should love this quote from Moonbeam, posted over at Insty on this incident:

    The Mexicans threw out the Spanish around 1815, and then, of course, the gringos threw out the Mexicans in 1846, or 1848. But the point is you never keep control forever. There’s always new waves coming so you’ve got to stay ahead of the wave.”

    Every voter in CA should be reminded of this as they are marking their ballot for Gov this Fall.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  64. As I understand it, the CHIEF PURPOSE OF GOVERNMENT is to protect its people. You’ve heard of that “provide for the common weal” thing, right? This includes: (1) Maintain civil order inside its territory. (2) Defend its borders against threats from without.

    I am sorry, sorry, sorry that somebody –don’t know who– set up a “Children’s Crusade” to march against the USA. It’s terrible, tragic, horrifying, etc.

    BUT.

    They do not belong here. Even if they’ve got a sister or cousin or aunt living in Kansas City or Dayton. No. The USA must NOT become the dumping grounds for refugees from every Third-World economic basket-case in this hemisphere.

    This is a “first volley” of a Camp-of-the-Saints type incursion. If we accept these, there will be 30 million more following them. No.

    This is all on Obama and his hench-witch Valerie Jarrett.

    Our God-King says he needs $2 billion to handle the problem. (I’d bet the plan is to keep $1 billion of it as a special, rainy-day, Obama-stash “emergency fund”. After all, he doesn’t want to leave office “dead broke” like the Clintons!) Ya know, I’ve just now re-considered: I COULD see my way clear to sending 65,000 of these “underage illegals” –the number of unaccompanied minors that DHS/ICE was doing RFQ’s for, back in January– to the White House. We can issue them tents and slop buckets and let them camp out on Obami-Won’s front lawn. They can stay there until he decides to send them home.

    A_Nonny_Mouse (a3bb60)

  65. Contagious diseases are a side concern. The main point is that none of these people should even be on American soil. Busing them even deeper into U.S. territory is absolutely, totally wrong and it has to stop.

    Blacque Jacques Shellacque (b14ea2)

  66. 5- (best Don Adams imitation) Missed it by this much.
    Better luck next time.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  67. I was thinking “How ironic is it that this confrontation takes place in a town named for Joaquin Murrieta, a poster boy for the La Raza crowd?”

    Then I checked and Murrieta is named for a Spanish sheepherder who bought this land back in the late 1800s. It’s a pity. When you get hilariously ironic irony like that, it’ almost tempting to go all “The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance” and declare “When the legend becomes reality, print the legend.”

    Russ from Winterset (830aac)

  68. Oh, stop bagging on Vota.

    (See what I did there?)

    Mojo (37e572)

  69. The chief purpose of government is to fleece the sheep without their rebelling.

    htom (412a17)

  70. From Antelope Valley Press: “Illegal immigration continues to cost county taxpayers $2 billion a year and siphons resources away from vital municipal services for legal immigrants and county residents.” This was said by Michael Antoovich who began receiving and publicizing monthly costs for illegals in 2007. It gives more detail but suffice it to say that “over 20% of the county’s public welfare funds are spent in illegal immigrants totalling more than $600 million annually. This does not include an estimated $550 million spent on law enforcement, nearly $500 million on health care and hundreds of millions on education.” Welfare & food stamps to illegals for their American children last yr. amounted to $639.9 million, up from $625 million from 2010. Cynical me wonders if they won’t pull up these kids’ families at taxpayer expense, some sort of family reunification as part of the overall scheme by the powers that be. This is just L.A. County.

    Judy Eaton (213f13)

  71. Those poor people. What are the diseases we’re scared of that we freak out over a bus of people who have been here but allow, say, flights from central america?

    dan (7e5f23)

  72. 31. nk (dbc370) — 7/1/2014 @ 8:09 pm

    Scabies is what killed Herod Agrippa.

    I read what Josephus wrote in Anntiquities of the Jews. Herod Agrippa had a severe pain in his belly and died nt long afterwards. Josephus says that Agrippa told the people at Caesaria this was happening because they had called him a God (and he had not rebuked them)

    Nothing about scabies. It is clearly some infection. I am verey wary of anyone attempting to say that something that killed people in ancient times is the same disease we know now – diseases ahve actually changed – they come and go – scarlet fever is no more, the first case of polio was in 1887.

    But if it were the same disease, the average persons immune response would not be the same. Measles was the cause of epidemics that killed large numbers of people in the Roman Empire, but it is not, by and large, so deadly now. (BTW, children handle this better when exposed for the first time, because their bodies churn out a greater variety of antibodies more quickly. Adults have been exposed to more pathogens, and tend to be immune to more things. The Indians were killed by smallppoxz so much, and europeans by the Black Death and also smallpox, because the first thing, and even the tenth thing tried was not good for those diseases, and what is tried first is t a consderable extent inherited.)

    Even if it was scabies, it would not make scabies today as dangerous as it was then.

    It is very annoying but not usually fatal. It occurs mostly in rural areas, and in unsanitary conditions, and is considered a water-borne disease, although it can also be transmitted between persons in close physical contact, and can be considered a STD – one where condoms won’t help.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb0eea)

  73. 71. dan (7e5f23) — 7/3/2014 @ 4:00 am

    Those poor people. What are the diseases we’re scared of that we freak out over a bus of people who have been here but allow, say, flights from central america?

    It’s malicious propaganda. The people who are scared don’t realize that back and forth travel goes on all the time, even to rural areas, like were the Mayan pyramids are.

    Furthermore, the people on those buses were medically cleared, and refusing to accept all kinds of offered medical help does not mean that they are stubbornly endangering the residents of Murrietta. The people who offereed it probably did it in such a way so they would be sure it would be turned down.

    I saw on the CBS Evening News last night a snippet of a women almost crying that (the federal government) is trying to destroy us. The people who scared people like that are really low.

    You’re dealing with women and children. Who will not stay very long, although they’ll be replaced by others. You’re not dealing with drug addicts. It’s a big nothing.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb0eea)

  74. 15. 27. 29. 61. I read that neas article now, and.. even on its own terms, there is nothing there that says there is any problem.

    First of all, this is by people who went looking for signs of trouble, and tried to find informants. Dollars to doughnuts, things are being misrepresented.

    All the sources are anonymous. There are no numbers or percentages given. For all the worry cited, nothing escaped into the base.

    There is not one doctor or medical expert quoted as saying there could be a real problem, and if there was, you could find someone because you do in malpractice cases.

    And you do when countries hide contagious diseases like China did with SARS and Saudi Arabia with MERS.

    These people are not charging anything plausible, aside from the fact that some of these children are infected with chicken pox, and measles, and an epidemic of strep throat occured, and they have lice and scabies, (and mental and emotional problems, which are probably the biggest thing, but which are not contagious and therefore it is passed over quickly.)

    We will know pretty soon if anything is going to happen, and I am going to predict no. Even if children are being allowed to travel within the United States who have lice and scabies.

    In fact, since these releases have been going on for months, it should have already happeed.

    Caveat: if some new contagious disease starts, but if it does, it will be something genuinely new, and this will not be the only vector.

    They were trying to keep things secret, but not because there was a danger of an epidemic. The whole reasson this is brought up is to make people beleive there is something here which could personally endanger them.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb0eea)

  75. It’s a big nothing? For who? The health care workers being threatened by the government? What about the Border Patrol agents who are now testing positive for TB? Is that propaganda too? How about the school in California where TB recently broke out? I for one do not care if scabies is fatal or life threatening–citizens should not be exposed to disease simply because Obama and his lawless crew have some political agenda in mind.

    rochf (f3fbb0)

  76. 75. rochf (f3fbb0) — 7/3/2014 @ 11:15 am

    It’s a big nothing?

    It’s not hapepning. It’s very vicious disinformation.

    If it was true, maybe this would be very serious , right?

    Can you find one elected Republican in Congress echoing this?

    Are they all RINOs?

    This is 9/11 truther territory. OIr at least stealing of organs for transplants territory.

    For who? The health care workers being threatened by the government?

    Some people apparently were threatened for not keeping secrets. But that was simply that they had a lot of people.

    What about the Border Patrol agents who are now testing positive for TB? Is that propaganda too?

    Most definitely, yes.

    TB doesn’t know if anyone has a visa or not, or is even an American citizen. It really doesn’t discriminate this way.

    If some Border Patrol agents are now testing positivbe for TB, and didn’t before, it is not specifically because of people illegally crossing the border.

    To the extent that it is, it might be because they arrest people who have TB. That’s their job.

    This is worse than the Teamsters Union complaining about Mexican trucks and Mexican truck drivers.

    How about the school in California where TB recently broke out?

    I don’t know anything about that school.

    OK.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/tuberculosis-outbreak-sacramento-high-school-24397527

    It’s linked to ONE student.

    Nothing about where and how that student contracted TB, or who he is.

    I for one do not care if scabies is fatal or life threatening–citizens should not be exposed to disease simply because Obama and his lawless crew have some political agenda in mind.

    Well, I suppose, if the Border Patrol people stopped arresting people, they wouldn’t be exposed to any risk.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  77. The student was infected back in February.

    Do you anything more about it?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  78. How come nothing was mentioned about diseases in this letter?

    http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2014/06/25/3452881/darrell-issa-daca-program-letter/

    Were they being “politically correct?

    Or they just hadn’t heard the latest news?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  79. Great to see the immigration debate regress to 19th century swill about keeping out diseased vermin.

    dan (25a5af)

  80. this is not an immigration debate sweet pickles this is an illegal immigration debate

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  81. What Happyfeet said.
    Dan/Nick is not a serious person.

    JD (addbc4)

  82. If Congress passed a law saying everyone getting off that bus got status, those protesters would not be satisfied. It’s not about those poor people being undocumented.

    dan (25a5af)

  83. 82. dan (25a5af) — 7/3/2014 @ 10:09 pm

    If Congress passed a law saying everyone getting off that bus got status, those protesters would not be satisfied. It’s not about those poor people being undocumented.

    And they are ignoring what the law currently says.

    Many cannot be sent outside of the country.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/us/amid-influx-of-migrants-obama-to-skip-border-visit-on-texas-trip.html

    Paragraphs 15 through 17:

    Under an anti-trafficking statute adopted — with bipartisan support — in 2008, minors caught traveling without their parents, if they are not from Mexico, cannot be rapidly deported. Youths from Central America must be transferred within 72 hours from the Border Patrol to the Department of Health and Human Services, which detains them in shelters and works to release them to parents or other responsible adults in the United States.

    The president will seek a legal change that would allow the border authorities to treat minors from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras — the home countries of most recent migrants — the way they now treat unaccompanied minors from Mexico, a country that has a different procedure because it shares a border with the United States. Under the 2008 law, youths from contiguous countries are questioned by border agents immediately after they are caught. If they do not express fear of returning home or say they have been victims of trafficking, agents can secure their consent to be deported and they are rapidly returned home.

    “It’s a fair way to deal with people in the immigration system,” Mr. Earnest said of the expedited procedures. In addition, he said, “It sends a clear and unmistakable signal to parents who might be considering putting their children in the hands of a stranger, in some cases a criminal, to transport them to the southwest border, with the expectation that if they get to the border that they’ll be allowed to remain in the country: That is simply not the case.”

    So what are the people in Murrieta, Califonia, asking President Obama to do? Change the law by himself?

    Sammy Finkelman (cd2969)

  84. 79. dan (25a5af) — 7/3/2014 @ 7:56 pm

    Great to see the immigration debate regress to 19th century swill about keeping out diseased vermin. </i

    In the 19th century the response to that was to legislate all kinds of medical screening.

    Sammy Finkelman (cd2969)

  85. New York Times July 4th 2014 editorial:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/opinion/mr-obama-go-big-on-immigration.html

    This week, President Obama finally declared his independence from a suffocating debate over immigration reform that Republicans in Congress had never seriously joined…

    ….Republicans will howl over Mr. Obama’s solo actions. Let them. Let the party pay a heavy price among Latino and Asian voters for failing to tame its nativist wing, whose only idea for immigration is a fantasy of an airtight border and mass expulsions.

    Most Americans find the Republicans’ enforcement obsession unconvincing; polls support the moderation and legalization that Mr. Obama and Democrats have fought for. But fear and panic do respond to stoking, as in places like Murrieta, Calif., where protesters this week blocked buses carrying recent migrants to a Border Patrol center. In a farcical reaction to a concocted emergency, Murrieta’s mayor announced that the city had set up an “incident action plan,” so police and emergency officials could keep a few dozen women and children from destroying his town.

    Nobody was even being released in Murrieta. But the mayor urged residents to complain, and in a pageant of ugliness, dozens took action: They waved flags, screamed “U.S.A.!” and turned three buses back.

    As the border crisis plays out, public support for legalization will be tested. But Mr. Obama can ease fears if he acts on the belief that millions who are here are a benefit to the country and deserve a chance to stay….

    Sammy Finkelman (cd2969)


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