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6/21/2014

California To Get Some Texas Illegals

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:06 pm

Spreading the pain:

The Border Patrol will fly nearly 300 Central American migrants from south Texas to California for processing, an official said Saturday, as the government seeks to ease the workload on agents at the nation’s busiest corridor for illegal crossings.

There will be two flights Monday with 140 passengers each — one bound for San Diego and one for El Centro, about 100 miles east of San Diego, said Paul Beeson, chief of the Border Patrol’s San Diego Sector.

The two flights were expected to continue every three days, Beeson told The Associated Press, but it’s unclear for how long. They will be mostly for families with young children but also carry adults. There will be no unaccompanied children.

The flights to California are the government’s latest response to a surge of Central Americans entering Texas’ Rio Grande Valley, where the Border Patrol has made more than 174,000 arrests since Oct. 1. Most are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala.

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency will decide whether the Central Americans remain in custody or are released while they are in deportation proceedings. ICE spokeswoman Lauren Mack declined to comment on how the agency will respond.

There’s nowhere to keep them, so they’ll be released.

So they’re just taking these people and scattering them across the Southwest. That’s . . . just lovely.

36 Responses to “California To Get Some Texas Illegals”

  1. 560 every six days for the foreseeable future.

    It’s fine because California is safe for the Democrats.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. jesus

    Just think of all the greenhouse gases that flying these urchins many miles through the air will produce.

    Tons and tons of life-choking carbon is going to be produced.

    I don’t think Obama really cares about the global warming like he says he does.

    This is so so wrong – for America, and for the planet.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  3. Well, I’m tired of having to pay my gardeners and housecleaners $6 per hour, so maybe now I can get someone for $4. Nancy Pelosi says that illegals help shore up Social Security. I don’t understand how that works since I am paying them off the books, but I think she heard this from a tenured professor in the Chicano Studies Department at UC Santa Cruz so it must be true.

    JVW (feb406)

  4. It would be nice to believe that if they at least remain close to the border, the greater chance that they will actually be deported, unlike those that will be sent to Chicago and NY (which are the locations currently being considered).

    Dana (fe2228)

  5. Nancy Pelosi says that illegals help shore up Social Security. I don’t understand how that works since I am paying them off the books, but I think she heard this from a tenured professor in the Chicano Studies Department at UC Santa Cruz so it must be true.

    A lot of illegals work on the books, using fake IDs. Taxes are deducted from their pay, but they will never collect tsocial security.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  6. So they’re just taking these people and scattering them across the Southwest.

    It would be nice to drop them into the middle of DC, Boston, Austin, San Francisco, Manhattan, Los Angeles’s westside and all the counterparts to those neighborhoods in other cities throughout the US.
    When I think of the gilded, protected enclaves of the limousine liberal, the phrase that immediately comes to mind is: “You broke it, now you pay for it.”

    Mark (246552)

  7. A lot of illegals use stolen identities and it looks like you are working on the books. Then your credit is ruined and it takes an eon to straighten out the IRS, who are busy re-electing lame ducks and don’t have time for your shit.

    Gazzer (6a76d0)

  8. Couldn’t they, maybe, fly them home instead?

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  9. This is just so screwed up.

    We have a system where the people who want to come here to work can’t do so legally, and the people (from Mexico and Central America anyway) who CAN come legally are mostly dependents who will never work, never pay taxes, but probably will collect Social Security or SSI down the line. We insist that all the dependents come first before anyone else is considered.

    The kids who ride the top of a train 1000 miles to get here are mostly the people you’d want in a free country — highly motivated individuals willing to take risks — but to allow them in illegally makes a joke out of the law. We will probably send them all home, but keep the gang members, since that’s the most screwed up outcome possible, so Obama will make a beeline for it.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  10. Time for a totally serious testing of what sovereignty entails.

    If the feds can transport (or prevent the transport) of anyone amongst federal facilities, eg airports, I don’t see how they can be stopped. However, a reverse TSA run by, say, Texas which checks for ID upon entering Texas land, is merited. Check for warrants while you are at it.

    When folks become outraged, good! It’s only when enough folks are fed up that any real border control can occur.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  11. A lot of illegals work on the books, using fake IDs. Taxes are deducted from their pay, but they will never collect tsocial security.

    I know, Milhouse. But I also know a number of people who employ handymen, laborers, even nannies (!) whom they pay in cash and whose immigration status they don’t bother to ask about. Sure, the dishwasher and hotel maid need to have social security numbers to work, so they just get them from whatever source, but there are an awful lot of people here in Los Angeles County who are working on a cash basis.

    JVW (feb406)

  12. Pelosi didn’t say they all shore up social security, just that, taken as a group, they do so. Enough of them work on the books, with fake ID, that this may well be true.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  13. they are ALL criminals!!!

    i don’t give a dead rat’s fart what they ‘shore up” because they are here illegally.

    any theoretical “benefit” their presence might bring is offset by the criminal nature of their residence. there is no social benefit to rewarding illegal acts…

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  14. Federal employee’s Management by Objective proposal:

    1. Write my year-end performance review.

    2. Collect performance bonus.

    3. Stuff.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  15. How can these people fly without ID? We can’t even get into an airport without showing ID and these people are traveling around the entire country at our expense!

    Jim (145e10)

  16. Send them all to DC, New York, Boston, and Chicago. Put them in tents on the lawns in the poshest neighborhoods.

    Bud Norton (d66c11)

  17. Somebody find a list of places that have deemed themselves “sanctuary cities” and you will know where the planes will land.

    The lawlessness related to this operation by so called officials on both sides of the border is simply breathtaking. And I do not see how it can possibly ever be fixed, now, with the dispersal being facilitated and carried out.

    I’d like to hear reports from our Texas and Arizona commenters about how this all is being played in their local media and how it is being received by rank and file citizens and legal immigrants.

    elissa (f40916)

  18. The newest summer blockbuster, “Mara Salvatrucha” will be coming soon to a neighborhood near you. This performance is sponsored by the Obama administration and other supporters of Cloward-Piven. Meanwhile the National Guard, local police,and sheriffs deputies will all be on assignment elswhere. (Hey, somebody’s gotta change those diapers!) Enjoy the heat!

    PPs43 (6fdef4)

  19. Milhouse operates on the “even a broken clock is correct twice a day” theory? Pelosi has no credibility.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  20. #16… Bud Norton has it correct.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  21. JVW, this is very true. And the Asian immigrants deal largely in cash as well. I quit one job when the owner gave me a bag of cash for my paycheck “to avoid taxes” after the first month. I gave notice.

    The FTB estimated that California loses about $6 billion in tax revenue each year due to the underground economy. But not to worry: the lawful people can just work a little harder and make up the difference.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  22. And as for the current crisis, I think the Dems are seeding the Southwest. In a few years these kids will start having babies, and they will all vote Democrat. The goal is to flip Texas, and they might do it.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  23. If residents protested loudly enough, and if their reps do too, the feds will back down. At least they have in other cities and towns that were being considered to park the immigrants in. Unfortunately, if it’s L.A., there won’t be protests. San Diego, perhaps.

    Dana (fe2228)

  24. The FTB estimated that California loses about $6 billion in tax revenue each year due to the underground economy. But not to worry: the lawful people can just work a little harder and make up the difference.

    I’m so disgusted by the IRS and the entire broken-down government hierarchy, that if it’s getting less monies due to the underground economy, then tough ta-tas.

    Of course, if the poor working schlub is forced to be the sucker due to his or her particular occupation or job requiring the framework of official paperwork and legalese, then, yea, that’s pathetic and he/she ends up even more crucial to the tax collection rates of the system.

    I understand that in Greece, which has been awash in socialist sentiment for decades, and where many people feed off the government, the level of tax avoidance is very high. It reminds me of big liberal do-gooders like Franklin D Roosevelt, who excoriated wealthy people for not wanting to pay their taxes, his raising income taxes to an astronomically high level, and then having the gall to tell the IRS in private that those taxes shouldn’t apply to his own wealth.

    Personally, what really frosts me the most about the cost burden foisted upon this society by a good portion of the “undocumented” is that the favors they receive aren’t necessarily returned in kind. IOW, many people and their children glom off the system by using EBT cards, emergency medical facilities and — this is a big one — public schools and instead of becoming productive citizens of today and future, they in too many instances import the downward mobility and rampant mediocrity of their home societies to this society.

    Lucky us.

    Mark (246552)

  25. Milhouse operates on the “even a broken clock is correct twice a day” theory? Pelosi has no credibility.

    This doesn’t rest on her credibility. I wouldn’t trust her word that the sun was shining, but the mere fact that she says something doesn’t make it false. Someone who always tells the exact opposite of the truth is just as valuable as someone who always tells the exact truth; the problem with liars is that they can’t be relied on to always lie.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  26. The FTB estimated that California loses about $6 billion in tax revenue each year due to the underground economy. But not to worry: the lawful people can just work a little harder and make up the difference.

    No, they don’t work a little bit harder, even in the long run, at least if the only consequence of some people paying less taxes.

    If some people evade taxes, other people make a little bit more money, and the missing
    taxes are collected from the extra money they make. In fact more tax is collected than is lost. This is a corollary of the Laffer curve. This has the same effect as a legal tax cut.

    Since tax rates are progressive, it is mostly people with higher incomes who will pay the extra taxes.

    Sammy Finkelman (107dde)

  27. Release them in Washington DC. Tell them free lunch is available at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Imagine the consternation if 5000 undocumented aliens were deposited within an hour in central DC. Maybe the policies now being used would change.

    LTMG (d1eff4)

  28. Since tax rates are progressive, it is mostly people with higher incomes who will pay the extra taxes.

    Well, OK then.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  29. If some people evade taxes, other people make a little bit more money, and the missing taxes are collected from the extra money they make.

    Sammy, the idea that if party X fails to pay taxes then those missing taxes are collected from the extra money is predicated on the idea that party X spends that extra money at party Y and party Z, who then pay the tax man. You’re making a velocity of money argument, right? That is certainly understandable theory that may in some cases be mostly true.

    But let me ask you this: what positive effect does this avoidance of taxes have if party X instead sends that money to family living out of the country? How are those missing tax revenues made up for? Are you going to argue that in the long run the development that money provides to party X’s home country allows the U.S. government to spend less on foreign aid there, or are you going to argue that party X’s home country is then able to purchase goods and services that benefit U.S. companies?

    I think you are overreaching on this one, Sammy.

    JVW (feb406)

  30. If some people evade taxes, other people make a little bit more money,

    This is known as a Laugher Theory.

    This “extra money” is spent largely within the syndicate. IOW cash is used only within the cash-only group. I could choose to be a (outsider) participant or lose my job. I chose the latter. Safer from the IRS and the Asian gangs than trying to launder my pay.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  31. Groups of illegals from both processing centers should be bused to a mid-point between San Diego and El Centro and then released – test their survival skills some more.
    An ideal point would be the Golden Acorn Casino (32.702391N, 116.355959W) on I-8 – let our Native-American Brothers worry about them.

    askeptic (8ecc78)

  32. The Tucson news station I watch has been telling viewers where to drop off clothing and other goods to help the children being held in the Nogales Border Patrol location after having been shipped from Texas. Rep. Raul Grijalva D-AZ wants more funding to care for them, and one location in Tucson has been given a temporary permit to house children. Tucson has declared itself “immigrant friendly” or something of the sort that we all know really means sanctuary city.

    Typically, the Tucson paper asserts that comprehensive immigration reform will solve all the problems, but the comments swing both ways.

    AZ_Langer (f08ff6)

  33. As of today, the flights to Southern California have been cancelled.

    The Border Patrol on Sunday canceled flights scheduled to bring almost 300 Central American migrants from Texas to Southern California for processing, but the plans could be reinstated, an official said.

    It was unclear why Monday’s flights for San Diego and El Centro, about 100 miles of east of San Diego, were shelved, said Ralph DeSio, a spokesman for Customs and Border Protection, the Border Patrol’s parent agency.

    “This whole thing is in a very fluid state,” DeSio said. “I’m not sure if the plans will be reactivated but, as we’re speaking here this moment, it has been canceled. Tomorrow is another day.”

    Dana (fe2228)

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